Tell me again why we need to be more like Europe?? [Archive]

valvano

03-01-2005, 03:07 PM

ASsman

03-01-2005, 03:08 PM

Dammit, I didn't know Europe consisted of only Germany.

Nice try, pole-rider.

Ace42

03-01-2005, 03:23 PM

UK's Unemployment rate for Sept-Nov was 4.7% - the US was 5.4% If the US was more like my corner of jobs, there would be a lot more jobs, and a lot less shootings. And hicks. And racially motivated hate-crimes.

valvano

03-01-2005, 03:35 PM

i love your train service in the uk

http://www.thisislondon.com/news/londonnews/articles/16925391?source=Evening%20Standard

Ace42

03-01-2005, 03:38 PM

The conservatives privatised our rail service over a decade ago so that we could be more like you.

D_Raay

03-01-2005, 03:40 PM

Tell me again why we need to kill people around the world?

synch

03-01-2005, 03:44 PM

So you reckon that pointing out things that aren't going well in europe makes your country look better? Well bravo. Good for you.

Ace42

03-01-2005, 03:47 PM

So you reckon that pointing out things that aren't going well in europe makes your country look better? Well bravo. Good for you.

You expected more from a neo-con supporting yank? Insecure posturing is all they are good for.

synch

03-01-2005, 03:49 PM

This is the first of his posts I remember reading so I have no clue who he is.

Either way I'm hardly impressed by his ability to make a point.

Qdrop

03-01-2005, 04:07 PM

And racially motivated hate-crimes.

oh will you stop with that.....

and you act as if the US is the mecca for racial hate crimes in the world...

christ the Ukraine just issued a alert to all "non-caucasion travelers" to be weary of a recent surge in racial hate-crimes.
why don't you call the Ukraine out as the "biggots that they are"....

Ace42

03-01-2005, 04:14 PM

Since when has the Ukraine dubbed itself "the home of the free" or proclaimed that "all men are created equal in the eyes of God" ?

"We're not as bad as a former Soviet state" - that's a good catchphrase extolling American virtues.

checkyourprez

03-01-2005, 04:17 PM

Echewta

03-01-2005, 06:04 PM

We don't have high taxes here but we sure do seem to borrow a lot. Fiscal conservative? Where?
Tax and spend doesn't seem like such a bad idea compared to borrow and spend.
But darn you Europe *shakes fist*

Rosie Cotton

03-01-2005, 09:01 PM

Oh no! Environmental laws and laws supporting workers!!!!
We all know that Jesus is coming back any day now. So what's the point of having all those trees? Might as well destroy it all now.

Racer, that was sarcasm. I don't want you to get confused. Thinking might hurt too much.

enree erzweglle

03-01-2005, 09:19 PM

ASsman

03-01-2005, 09:26 PM

Tell me again why we need to be more like Europe??
OOO!!OOO!! I KNOW!

So we can less like you?

ZING! MOTHAFUCKA!

Bob

03-01-2005, 09:43 PM

Tell me again why we need to be more like Europe??

....because they have environmental laws and liberalized workplaces?

Rosie Cotton

03-01-2005, 09:47 PM

....because they have environmental laws and liberalized workplaces?
But Jesus is coming!!!! He doesn't care about animals and worker's rights!

racer5.0stang

03-01-2005, 10:42 PM

Racer, that was sarcasm. I don't want you to get confused. Thinking might hurt too much.

Thanks for pointing that out. :D

Documad

03-01-2005, 11:02 PM

Tell me again why we need to be more like Europe, with crazy environmental laws, extremely liberal workplace rules . . . ?
I'm curious. What are "crazy environmental laws?"

And what in the heck are "extremely liberal workplace rules?" I'm imagining all kinds of nutty stuff, like clothing-optional workplaces. :cool:

DroppinScience

03-01-2005, 11:34 PM

Ace42

03-02-2005, 03:32 AM

So former Soviet states are off the hook?

I love your double standards...

Former Soviet states are, by nature, just coming to terms with multiculturalism, having been totally insular during the cold war, and generally for the last century. While I am not saying it is *acceptable* I am saying it is *understandable*.

However, a nation that has had several centuries where "all men were created equal" and for most of that time persecuted and victimised a large section of that population through institutionalised racism has no such excuse.

Calimero jr.

03-02-2005, 05:22 AM

Here's what I know. I'm arranging a trip to Zurich this summer and have to do it on a low budget. Everyone that I've talked and emailed with there have been so sweet--amazingly so, inspiringly so. They speak English fluently and are not big-headed about it. I can't get over it. Just for those reasons alone, we need to be more like Europe. That and the chocolate. And the trains.

Trains work amazingly well in Switzerland, you can basically go anywhere with them....but when you see how much it costs to travel by train you just wish you had a car :(
But basically everything is expensive here, except chocolate ;)

Uru-Nitro

03-02-2005, 06:07 AM

Tell me again why we need to be more like Europe
i think it would be a good start NOT KILLING PEOPLE

but hey, it's only a fucking retarded comunist-devil opinion dude

bb_bboy

03-02-2005, 06:28 AM

Here's what I know. I'm arranging a trip to Zurich this summer and have to do it on a low budget. Everyone that I've talked and emailed with there have been so sweet--amazingly so, inspiringly so. They speak English fluently and are not big-headed about it. I can't get over it.

I know for a fact that there are at least two people like that in America. It's true.

Trains work amazingly well in Switzerland, you can basically go anywhere with them....but when you see how much it costs to travel by train you just wish you had a car

Here is something novel for this board - someone criticizing something that they are actually personally familiar with and have a particularly keen personal interest in. Being critical of the systems and infrastructures that you deal with everyday can actually be productive. Bravo.

synch

03-02-2005, 06:39 AM

Our trains are shit, never on time, break down a lot and keep getting more expensive while getting worse and worse.

Do I get a gold badge? ;)

Bob

03-02-2005, 07:24 AM

hey guys, my systems suck too, what do i get!

bb_bboy

03-02-2005, 08:06 AM

Do I get a gold badge? ;)

what do i get!

You both get the wonderful opportunity to actually do something about changing the problems that you recognize in your own area rather than make banal observations about the world at large. Unfortunately, and no matter how resonant you think your voice is, complaining about things on the Beastie Boy MB (that you even know something about) won't actually make a difference to your immeadiate situation or the world order. Wrong forum, wrong focus. This is more political masturbation than political intercourse.

Qdrop

03-02-2005, 08:12 AM

Former Soviet states are, by nature, just coming to terms with multiculturalism, having been totally insular during the cold war, and generally for the last century. While I am not saying it is *acceptable* I am saying it is *understandable*.

However, a nation that has had several centuries where "all men were created equal" and for most of that time persecuted and victimised a large section of that population through institutionalised racism has no such excuse.

my originall point is simply that you and many others on this board like to brand the US as the home of "backwood hicks and bigots."

every fuckin country has it's version of "backwook hicks" and bigots.

such social status isn't an "american thing"....it's a symptom of pockets of poverty, isolation, and lack of education...

you can find that ANYWHERE in the world.....often in MUCH larger ratio's...

Ace42

03-02-2005, 08:53 AM

you can find that ANYWHERE in the world.....often in MUCH larger ratio's...

Yes, but the rest of the world isn't so hypocritical about it. It is not surprising that a non-democratic country has severely limited freedoms. However, when a country whose main boast to the world is their freedom and equality falls so short, that is another matter altogether.

Qdrop

03-02-2005, 08:59 AM

Yes, but the rest of the world isn't so hypocritical about it. It is not surprising that a non-democratic country has severely limited freedoms. However, when a country whose main boast to the world is their freedom and equality falls so short, that is another matter altogether.

well you can't control the hearts of men, so to speak.

we have billed "freedom and equality" as our mantra, yes.

but that should be viewed as our GOAL, not our REALITY.

no amount of manrta's can overcome what isolation, poverty, bad education, and biological tendancies (group think) can cause.

but yes, i see your point.

Ace42

03-02-2005, 09:05 AM

but that should be viewed as our GOAL, not our REALITY.

no amount of manrta's can overcome what isolation, poverty, bad education, and biological tendancies (group think) can cause.

Indeed, and I think the fact that that your media portrays it as a reality is part of the reason your country has not gone further. By boasting about it, rather than continually striving for it, your nation has not only become complacent, but positively decadent about it.

It is precisely that level of arrogance that has allowed the recent Imperialist agenda to go forward.

"Hyuck, who'd not want to be American, we're perfect. Thus when we export our perfect democracy to people, hell, they'd have to be evil and tyrannical despots not to want to bask in our perfection. It's our moral duty to force them to become as perfect as us, hyuck."

Bah, rednecks.

Qdrop

03-02-2005, 09:11 AM

Indeed, and I think the fact that that your media portrays it as a reality is part of the reason your country has not gone further. By boasting about it, rather than continually striving for it, your nation has not only become complacent, but positively decadent about it.

It is precisely that level of arrogance that has allowed the recent Imperialist agenda to go forward.

i DO see that in our society.

i think that mentalily occurs in every nationalistic mind in ANY country.

we just seem to specialize in it.

"Hyuck, who'd not want to be American, we're perfect. Thus when we export our perfect democracy to people, hell, they'd have to be evil and tyrannical despots not to want to bask in our perfection. It's our moral duty to force them to become as perfect as us, hyuck."

Bah, rednecks.

rednecks are the bane of every culture.....
they are the consumate "embarrassing uncle" that shows up to the dinner party wearing ripped plad pants and an old lime-green dinner jacket ....spouting off about how fucking great he is and telling everyone else how to live.....then gets too drunk and challanges an "uppidy" 12 year old to a fist fight outside....

Ace42

03-02-2005, 09:17 AM

i think that mentalily occurs in every nationalistic mind in ANY country.

Certainly, don't get me wrong, we have our fair share of flag-waving jingoists. And there is a certain "it couldn't happen here" mentality that has been even more noticeable with the recent terror laws. Fortunately, our parliamentary system means that even significant numbers of Blair's own party baulked at it, and thus it has had to be watered down just to get it as far as the house of lords (who started the whole procedure by declaring the previous rulings as illegal)

yeahwho

03-02-2005, 01:42 PM

You both get the wonderful opportunity to actually do something about changing the problems that you recognize in your own area rather than make banal observations about the world at large. Unfortunately, and no matter how resonant you think your voice is, complaining about things on the Beastie Boy MB (that you even know something about) won't actually make a difference to your immeadiate situation or the world order. Wrong forum, wrong focus. This is more political masturbation than political intercourse.

There is influence beyond the ballot, I have no idea if anybody on this board is involved in political action or not. I do know most people in this country who try and live the American Dream are up to their eyeballs in work. trying to make ends meet, unlike Europe. Being politically active is easier and much more gratifying than most people would think. It is also way more interesting than wondering if the latest Greenday record is cool (NOT!).

But this board is fun, because here you can masturbate! using the thumb technique. (y) (n)

Ali

03-02-2005, 03:45 PM

The US appears to be a Garden of Eden compared to Germany auslanders (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4307303.stm)

Qdrop

03-02-2005, 03:48 PM

auslanders (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4307303.stm)
this was posted at the beginning of the thread.
pay attention.

Ali

03-02-2005, 04:05 PM

Our trains are shit, never on time, break down a lot and keep getting more expensive while getting worse and worse.

Do I get a gold badge? ;)Do you live in the UK?;)

French trains are cheap, quick and reliable (when the fekking Unions aren't striking)

You can't ever have it all perfect. Be thankful you are not in Iraq or Delhi or Mozambique or somewhere where there are NO trains at all, at any price.

ASsman

03-02-2005, 04:24 PM

French trains are cheap, quick and reliable (when the fekking Unions aren't striking)
Yah, but they don't go anywhere worthwhile, i.e. outside of France

ZING!

Ali

03-02-2005, 04:27 PM

Yah, but they don't go anywhere worthwhile, i.e. outside of France

ZING!Yoh mama doesn't go anywhere worthwhile, bytch. (except maybee down on me).

ZING A LING

Whois

03-02-2005, 04:27 PM

Do you live in the UK?;)

French trains are cheap, quick and reliable (when the fekking Unions aren't striking)

You can't ever have it all perfect. Be thankful you are not in Iraq or Delhi or Mozambique or somewhere where there are NO trains at all, at any price.

India has no trains?

Ace42

03-02-2005, 04:29 PM

India has no trains?

There was a great article in private eye, which noted that there were several Indian commuters who were pissed off when an advertised trian failed to arrive. It transpires that the train company had assumed that it was better to have a train timetabled to arrive and not than to have no train running at all. It takes optimistic timetabling to a whole new level.

Ali

03-02-2005, 04:30 PM

India has no trains?Oh, all right, all those places have trains... but you sure as hell will miss the "unreliable" Dutch trains.

Whois

03-02-2005, 04:34 PM

Oh, all right, all those places have trains... but you sure as hell will miss the "unreliable" Dutch trains.

I've taken Amtrak, India can't be worse...

Okay, so I didn't know you could catch a train into Amsterdam from the airport...so I wasted $75.00...but the ride back was sooooo fuuuun.

Ali

03-02-2005, 04:37 PM

I've taken Amtrak, India can't be worse...you know why?!?

Whois

03-02-2005, 04:45 PM

you know why?!?

Do I know why India can't be worse than Amtrak...because Amtrak sucks like a black hole.

I'm not catching your drift...

www.amtrak.com

Ali

03-02-2005, 04:47 PM

Do I know why India can't be worse than Amtrak...because Amtrak sucks like a black hole.

I'm not catching your drift...Do you know why Amtrak blows like a 2$ hooker on a Sunday afternoon?

Whois

03-02-2005, 04:50 PM

Do you know why Amtrak blows like a 2$ hooker on a Sunday afternoon?

Because we (the USA) treat it like a red-headed stepchild?

Because we love cars and hate trains?

Because it is poorly run?

Let me know if I'm getting close...

Ah, one more:

Because we like poor train service!

Ali

03-02-2005, 04:54 PM

Because we (the USA) treat it like a red-headed stepchild?

Because we love cars and hate trains?

Because it is poorly run?

Let me know if I'm getting close...

Ah, one more:

Because we like poor train service!
BECAUSE YOU LOVE YOUR CARS

because the US economy was once underpinned by auto sales (before them wiley Japanese started making all them Muzduz and stuff)

because your parents were encouraged to buy cars by cheap gas, lots and lots of roads, out of town Malls and underfunded rail services.

Never mind. This's been discussed to death elsewhere.

Let's talk about bdavid's mum.

Whois

03-02-2005, 05:07 PM

BECAUSE YOU LOVE YOUR CARS

because the US economy was once underpinned by auto sales (before them wiley Japanese started making all them Muzduz and stuff)

because your parents were encouraged to buy cars by cheap gas, lots and lots of roads, out of town Malls and underfunded rail services.

Never mind. This's been discussed to death elsewhere.

Let's talk about bdavid's mum.

Trains are so 60's...it's a coolness thingy.

Rosie Cotton

03-02-2005, 11:02 PM

Thanks for pointing that out. :D
You're welcome.

*curtsies*

Qdrop

03-03-2005, 07:45 AM

Um no.....come to where I live. Come to the heartland....the belt buckle of the fucking bible belt. Here you can easily find ignorant hicks and bigots who are college educated (BOOMER SOONERS!! (n) :rolleyes: ), wealthy and live in the city.

Poverty, isolation and lack of education have nothing to do with bigots.

You need to leave the NorthEast and see what Dumbfuckistan is really about....

okay then....tell me.
were does such southern bigotry come from?
is it purely genetic and afflicts only conservatives?.....

while there are some biological (cognative) markers that tend to produce "us vs them" mentality....
such bigotry is fostered by culture....and is most effectively battled with education.

but tell me, where does this southern hick bigorty stem from?
do they only exist in evil America?

synch

03-03-2005, 07:47 AM

Q, not all evil is american and not all that's american is evil.

Is that what you wanted to hear? ;)

Qdrop

03-03-2005, 07:53 AM

Q, not all evil is american and not all that's american is evil.

Is that what you wanted to hear? ;)

well.....that's nice to hear *sniff*

but i really just want Freedom's opinion on where bigotry and backward thinking -that is more prevalant in the south -comes from if isolation, poverty and poor education have nothing to do with it?

synch

03-03-2005, 07:57 AM

Well in my opinion it's more culture than anything, but I agree that if they were better educated, less poor and less isolated over time they would be less bigoted.

So ehm, I reckon the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Of course you wanted Freedom Toast's opinion, not mine ;)

Qdrop

03-03-2005, 08:29 AM

Well in my opinion it's more culture than anything, but I agree that if they were better educated, less poor and less isolated over time they would be less bigoted.

i agree with that.
education, economic level, and geographical postioning are all part of culture.

synch

03-03-2005, 08:40 AM

So ehm, we all sort of agree now?

:(

Where is racer when you need him...

;)

Burnout18

03-03-2005, 09:36 AM

What do you have against taxes anyway you fucking commie? I guess you don't support paying for schools and defending America. If you hate taxes, you don't support America.

haaa thats great, ur the only one here who's worth reading.

racer5.0stang

03-03-2005, 10:16 AM

So ehm, we all sort of agree now?

:(

Where is racer when you need him...

;)

As strange as it may sound, I agree too. :eek:

synch

03-03-2005, 10:25 AM

Oh my, the world stopped making sense :(

;)

racer5.0stang

03-03-2005, 10:27 AM

Oh my, the world stopped making sense :(

;)

You have just now entered into the Twilight Zone. ;)

Rosie Cotton

03-05-2005, 02:51 AM

Stop assuming you have it all figured out....education doesn't stop the bigotry....education doesn't even phase it.

I don't give a fuck where southern bigotry comes from....but I can tell you that you're dead wrong by saying it comes from poverty, isolation and lack of education. I don't fucking know where it comes from..and I don't fucking care (I have better ways of wasting my time). All I know is that it really sucks where I live....maybe you should come here and figure it out for us. It's the lifestyle here...people take pride on not knowin' 'bout fancy things (rich and educated people included).

Rosie can testify.....
All I can do is complain about it. I really don't understand it either. I've seen it firsthand. Hell, my own grandfather is like that. But I really don't know how it works.

Leonie

03-05-2005, 10:08 AM

Who says you should??

freetibet

03-05-2005, 04:35 PM

Tell me again why we need to be more like Europe, with crazy environmental laws, extremely liberal workplace rules, high taxes, etc?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4307303.stm

According to John Kerry in the most recent election, the US was in the worst shape since the depression.......... :rolleyes:

The US appears to be a Garden of Eden compared to Germany :D

You COULD learn where Poland, Bhutan and Zimbabwe lies.

And Djibouti and Latvia.

We learn a bunch of useless things, but damn it.. not to know the capital cities of all European countries for example? that's 3rd worldish;]