Palestinian population exceeds Jewish population says U.S. government

[phinkasaurus]

SOURCE (http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article3649.shtml)

The population of Palestinians living in Israel, the Occupied Gaza Strip, Occupied East Jerusalem and rest of the Occupied West Bank combined now exceeds the number of Israeli Jews, a U.S. government report has revealed.

The Palestinian population stands at over 5.3 million while the Jewish population stands at 5.2 million.

The figures come from the U.S. State Department's annual Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2004. The report provided population figures for each of these territorial units separately but failed to connect all the dots to arrive at the explosive new demographic reality that an Israeli Jewish minority now rules over a larger number of Palestinians living between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River.
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The article goes on to compare it to Apartheid South Africa. And this time the U.S. is openly the most vocal supporter of this Apartheid state.
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more fun with numbers:
SOURCE (http://whatreallyhappened.com/)

The U.S. gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and $568,744 per day to Palestinian NGO’s.

1,046 Israelis and 3,591 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.

7,126 Israelis and 28,506 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.

118 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 679 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.

0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 4,170 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since September 29, 2000.

60+ new Jewish-only settlements have been built on confiscated Palestinian land between March 2001 and July 11, 2003. There have been 0 cases of Palestinians confiscating Israeli land and building settlement

[ASsman]

Not if they keep blowing themselves up.

Hah, no? Not funny? Damn.

[Qdrop]

so i take it you (phink) are in support of the palistinians?

if you could rule the world for the day...how would you rule/solve that current fiasco?

[ASsman]

I'd start were Hitler left off...

No, but really, there are some "Israelis" that need to be rejoined with G_D.

[Qdrop]

i have never taken much of a side on this....
mostly because i have never been able to get an accurate and UNBIASED recount of the historical actions that led up to the current cluster fuck.


i do recall a comment that Larry Miller used to make on Bill Maher's show....concerning the current conflict:

"if the tables were flipped, and there instead was a small muslim/arab country surrounded by jewish countries, we would not have the violent conflict and contention we have today..."

and i would tend to agree with that....

(and he was NOT implying that the jewish nations would destroy the small muslim country)

[phinkasaurus]

if you could rule the world for the day...how would you rule/solve that current fiasco?

at this point seperation is impossible. the state of Isreal has been created and they have a popultion that needs a home as much as anyone.
So my efforts would be focused on creating a viable two state ntaion, or evewn better one state that equally represented both sides.
I think for too long, the U.S. has been quietly and at times vocally supporting anything Isreal does, be it demolishing homes or spreading their land through settlers.
the world community needs to get involved, theough UN or EU efforts. Step one would be making Isreal less of a u.s. client state and more of an independant nation.

i am always on the side of self determiniation, and the palestianians have had that option removed since 1948.

[Ali]

Not if they keep blowing themselves up.

Hah, no? Not funny? Damn.SO not P.C.

[baltogrl71]

I do not think as americans you can truly judge what should be, and by the way isreal is not just jews. The arabs in Isreal support their country just as much. I think things will be alot better now that arafat is gone.

[baltogrl71]

I'd start were Hitler left off...

No, but really, there are some "Israelis" that need to be rejoined with G_D.
I hope when you go to hell it is a death camp run by hitler and everyday you experience what each man woman and child did and have to repeate it forever and as each person you care about dies they come to to share so you can watch them experince the same and I wonder if you would be so thoughtless as to say that. You are like the guy who put that celebration of 9/11 post up.

[Funkaloyd]

You're wishing eternal torture on Assman because of an opinion he holds. Are you any better than RadioFiend?

[baltogrl71]

You're wishing eternal torture on Assman because of an opinion he holds. Are you any better than RadioFiend?
Yeah! I am sorry but maybe you should go to the holocaust museum spend a couple of hours read and see every movie and tell me if you would not be upset with someone thinking this may be a good idea to try again.

[Qdrop]

Yeah! I am sorry but maybe you should go to the holocaust museum spend a couple of hours read and see every movie and tell me if you would not be upset with someone thinking this may be a good idea to try again.

look, that's just ASsman.

i and many others have given him tons of shit for his "sarcastic" bigoted remarks...
but he really doesn't give a shit.
this ain't the first time.

[ASsman]

Hah, and? That was how long ago now? Yah I don't see it as a "good" thing, might even get teary eyed when I watch Shindlers list.

IT WAS A JOKE, called Dark Humor, get over it.

. You are like the guy who put that celebration of 9/11 post up.
Not even close, I might rejoice at seing the US get what they deserved, but I'm not about to "celebrate it" atleast not in the sense you are implying (that I take pleasure from death).

[ASsman]

Yeah! I am sorry but maybe you should go to the holocaust museum spend a couple of hours read and see every movie and tell me if you would not be upset with someone thinking this may be a good idea to try again.
And another thing, I guess I ask to much from my "audience", it would be stupid to start killing Polish Jews to stop the current conflict.... It was a loose analogy at best...

[baltogrl71]

And another thing, I guess I ask to much from my "audience", it would be stupid to start killing Polish Jews to stop the current conflict.... It was a loose analogy at best...
dumbass more like polish jews wern't the only ones killed all kinds of people not just jews were killed. I get that is your fucked up humor, but its just not funny!

[Funkaloyd]

No, it's pretty funny.

[Ace42]

Today in the headlines - yank in not getting irony shocker.

"George Bush a dumbass", reads page 2.

[ASsman]

dumbass more like polish jews wern't the only ones killed all kinds of people not just jews were killed. I get that is your fucked up humor, but its just not funny!
Are you sure you should be giving me a history class?

Think about that question, call me in the morning.

[QueenAdrock]

Yeah! I am sorry but maybe you should go to the holocaust museum

I see you live near DC. Now your name makes sense.
I haven't been to the Holocaust museum yet, but plan to go in the very near future. UMD has rigorous training for our police force and they make them go to the museum every semester as part of the training.

[QueenAdrock]

Are you sure you should be giving me a history class?

Think about that question, call me in the morning.

Yeah cuz Assman knows everything there is to know about history, and can't be proven wrong because he knows all and sees all. All hail Assman and his infallible glory. :rolleyes:

[ASsman]

Yeah cuz Assman knows everything there is to know about history, and can't be proven wrong because he knows all and sees all. All hail Assman and his infallible glory. :rolleyes:
Heh, right that's what I meant. Nice job. I just assumed by the way she types, I am far from knowing much of anything, but she assumed the same of me so... Fair game.

[catatonic]

I think phinkasaurus is missing why Americans support Israel.

Whether or not they're good (and to believe they are good with this you have to believe God is telling them to kill more palestinians than are killing them), Americans tend to believe they are a chosen people that God will continue to work signs through, and that is why they are being protected. Kind of like they're Jesus' people and we are babysitting them, and then in the last days a lot of crazy stuff will go on with Israel and hopefully then they'll be good people. Not necessarily saying they are good people.

[CiaoBellaXO]

at this point seperation is impossible. the state of Isreal has been created and they have a popultion that needs a home as much as anyone.
So my efforts would be focused on creating a viable two state ntaion, or evewn better one state that equally represented both sides.
I think for too long, the U.S. has been quietly and at times vocally supporting anything Isreal does, be it demolishing homes or spreading their land through settlers.
the world community needs to get involved, theough UN or EU efforts. Step one would be making Isreal less of a u.s. client state and more of an independant nation.

i am always on the side of self determiniation, and the palestianians have had that option removed since 1948.

You guys are so smart...we're going to have to sit down Micah and you're going to have to explain all this to me one day...

[catatonic]

Micah 7 summary in my scriptures:

Though Israel has rebelled, yet in the last days the Lord will have mercy on her—He will have compassion and pardon her iniquities.

[baltogrl71]

I think phinkasaurus is missing why Americans support Israel.

Whether or not they're good (and to believe they are good with this you have to believe God is telling them to kill more palestinians than are killing them), Americans tend to believe they are a chosen people that God will continue to work signs through, and that is why they are being protected. Kind of like they're Jesus' people and we are babysitting them, and then in the last days a lot of crazy stuff will go on with Israel and hopefully then they'll be good people. Not necessarily saying they are good people.
people think jews are the chosen people, most jews would disagree or at least say that if you follow the law of g-d as it was presented then you are chosen. I know lots of Isrealis some muslim some christian and some jewish most agree on the situation with the palestinians, they way see it it is jews and most people see it as jews because isreal is a jewish state but isreal has as many muslims and christians as it does jews. Secondly I don't know how much any of you know about the isreali army but they don't need any help. and last there are a lot of jews who are philanthrapist in the usa and if we did not support Isreal they fear that the money here would dry up that is the real concern the people in our gov't only care about their agendas they could give afuck who dies overseas or if the whole world burns in hell as long as they get what they want while they are here.

[Dr_Slump]

"1,046 Israelis and 3,591 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.

7,126 Israelis and 28,506 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.

118 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 679 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000."

Theses numbers are fully wrong , your source is ridicoulous ... Another anti-zionist misinformation website.

[Funkaloyd]

Feel free to give us the correct stats.

[EN[i]GMA]

The numers may or may not be skewed, pick your bias, but they are generally correct.

How you interpret the numbers is up to you.

Personally, I don't care one bit either way. Both sides have managed to destroy any semblance of respect I might have had for them and they can continue to kill each other.

If they don't want to fix their own problems, why should we want to do it for them?

[Ali]

GMA']Personally, I don't care one bit either way. Both sides have managed to destroy any semblance of respect I might have had for them and they can continue to kill each other.

If they don't want to fix their own problems, why should we want to do it for them?A fair question. Why should the US go to such lengths to support Israel? What's in it for you?

[Ali]

"1,046 Israelis and 3,591 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.

7,126 Israelis and 28,506 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.

118 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 679 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000."

Theses numbers are fully wrong , your source is ridicoulous ... Another anti-zionist misinformation website.0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 4,170 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since September 29, 2000.Do you disagree with that?

[Dr_Slump]

I don't know the right number but I don't believe the figure from this Website. But I agree with the 1 000 000 Jews ejected from the Arabic countries 45 years ago ...

[Schmeltz]

If they don't want to fix their own problems, why should we want to do it for them?


Well, apart from having a loyal, dependent, nuclear-capable ally in the most oil-rich region on earth, a very large portion of your populace is convinced that these are the only circumstances under which their apocalyptic religious texts can be fulfilled. It's not about fixing problems, it's about getting Jesus back so he can kill all those people.

Also, due to the extreme interconnectedness of this modern world events that occur halfway across the world can still affect us even if we think they're too remote to do so. There's no such thing as total isolation.

[EN[i]GMA]

Well, apart from having a loyal, dependent, nuclear-capable ally in the most oil-rich region on earth, a very large portion of your populace is convinced that these are the only circumstances under which their apocalyptic religious texts can be fulfilled. It's not about fixing problems, it's about getting Jesus back so he can kill all those people.

Also, due to the extreme interconnectedness of this modern world events that occur halfway across the world can still affect us even if we think they're too remote to do so. There's no such thing as total isolation.

But our actions there are CAUSING all of our problems around the world.

And Isreal doesn't even need our help. If they wanted to kick everyone's ass over there, they could do it.

[Qdrop]

GMA']
And Isreal doesn't even need our help. If they wanted to kick everyone's ass over there, they could do it.

yep, but they'd much rather the US be the bad guy.

cause we're so fuckin good at that.

[Qdrop]

I don't know the right number but I don't believe the figure from this Website. But I agree with the 1 000 000 Jews ejected from the Arabic countries 45 years ago ...

yeah, you're not biased or anything.....

[Schmeltz]

I'm not so sure Israel actually could defeat all the other Arab nations if another war broke out. They certainly couldn't do it in 1979. More likely there would be a few bloody battles leading to another stalemate eventually mediated to a peace by the States or a group of other Western powers. That or Israel would launch its nukes before being overrun, leaving the entire region a wasteland.

Besides, Israel's ability to kick anyone's ass is funded and armed by your tax dollars. Thanks for proving my point.

[EN[i]GMA]

I'm not so sure Israel actually could defeat all the other Arab nations if another war broke out. They certainly couldn't do it in 1979. More likely there would be a few bloody battles leading to another stalemate eventually mediated to a peace by the States or a group of other Western powers. That or Israel would launch its nukes before being overrun, leaving the entire region a wasteland.

Besides, Israel's ability to kick anyone's ass is funded and armed by your tax dollars. Thanks for proving my point.

No, we actually fund a rather small part of their army. It's a common misconception that we signifacantly fund their army, it's actually rather minor at $3 Billion dollars.

Still a large chunk of change, but some Googling had told me that their defense budget is near 10% of their GDP of $120,600,000,000 or $12,060,000,000.

So we fund about 1/4th of Isreal's military.

And even with only 3/4th of their military/funding they would still be able to whoop the ass of eveyrone in the area.

[Schmeltz]

And even with only 3/4th of their military/funding they would still be able to whoop the ass of eveyrone in the area.


What makes you think that, though?

And if the millions of dollars a day in American subsidies to Israel were cut off, would Israel be able to find the other 3/4 of their defense budget without radically altering the structure of their economy?

[EN[i]GMA]

What makes you think that, though?

And if the millions of dollars a day in American subsidies to Israel were cut off, would Israel be able to find the other 3/4 of their defense budget without radically altering the structure of their economy?

They have an impressive army.

They have a dominant air-force (The only one in the region worth any consideration), have the best trained army on earth, have the best in weapons and equipment and are generally just bad-ass soldiers.

And they have nukes which makes the whole point moot.

You don't fuck with them unless you want Cairo, Damascus, Riyadh and a few other cities turned into glass parking lots.

[Schmeltz]

They have an impressive army.


Yes, but their superiority in training and technical sophistication has to be measured against the vast discrepancy in numbers that would give the Arab nations a decided advantage. There's no guarantee that a few hundred thousand soldiers, no matter how badass they are, would be able to stop several million Arab troops (backed up with some pretty impressive weaponry of their own, by the by) from straght up steamrolling them. Certainly they'd never be able to launch a successful offensive against all the Arab nations at once, and I'd put good money on the Arabs having learned quite a lot from the last war. The best Israel could hope for is a stalemate unless the US entered the war on their side.


And they have nukes which makes the whole point moot.


You don't seriously imagine that Israel could use nuclear weaponry with impunity, I hope. If Israel dared to nuke the Arab capitals there would be no stopping the extermination of the country. It's a MAD scenario, Cold War-styles.

[Ali]

I don't know the right number but I don't believe the figure from this Website. But I agree with the 1 000 000 Jews ejected from the Arabic countries 45 years ago ...Would you care to reference that stat? n'importe quoi! (http://www.Dr_Slump'sass.fr )

[Dr_Slump]

Would you care to reference that stat? n'importe quoi! (http://www.Dr_Slump'sass.fr )

The number is maybe higher . The reference : History . The Sefaradim Jews who live in Arabic countries were unfortunately forced to leave these countries (especially in Algeria) . My Father is a Tunisian Jew , he left Tunisia in 1958 with his family and all the other Jews , a few years later there were no more jews in Tunisia ... In Algeria a lot of Jews were killed .

[Ali]

The number is maybe higher . The reference : History . The Sefaradim Jews who live in Arabic countries were unfortunately forced to leave these countries (especially in Algeria) when these countries aquired their independance. My Father is a Tunisian Jew , he left Tunisia in 1958 with his family and all the other Jews , a few years later there were no more jews in Tunisia ... In Algeria a lot of Jews were killed .So, it's ok to do the same thing to Palestinians?

The actions of the Israeli government against her Arabic neighbours are causing the same problems as the actions against Jews in Arab countries.

More violence.

It has to stop.

Even Sharon is trying to stop the invasion, and he will meet the same fate as Rabin if he continues.

[Dr_Slump]

I agree the violence has to stop of course .

"The actions of the Israeli government against her Arabic neighbours are causing the same problems as the actions against Jews in Arab countries."
No , because the Jews in Arab coutries didn't make some terrorists attack , didn't put some bomb in buses with children etc...

[Ali]

I agree the violence has to stop of course .

"The actions of the Israeli government against her Arabic neighbours are causing the same problems as the actions against Jews in Arab countries."
No , because the Jews in Arab coutries didn't make some terrorists attack , didn't put some bomb in buses with children etc...No, they just took land from Arabs and then forbade them access. Pas de problem
:rolleyes: Can I come to your apartment and tell you to leave and shoot you if you resist?

[Dr_Slump]

Im talking about the jews who were living in arabic countries , they didn't took arab land ...

For ISrael its was elected by the Unithed nations . An the palestinians agreed to leave because their leaders told them that all the jews would be killed speedly ... For information 2000 years ago all the jews lived in Israel but they were ejected , and in every countrie they went , they were ejected , its normal to give us back their land .

[Funkaloyd]

...After 2000 years?

I should make a claim for some land in Normandy.

[Ali]

Im talking about the jews who were living in arabic countries.I wish I could talk about Palestinians living in Israel... but I can't, because they're not allowed to live there.

Tell me, Dr_Slump, are Israelis prepared to share land with Arabic people? If a Palestinian wants to bring his family and live and work in Tel-Aviv, is he allowed to?

Do you, personally, have any reason to hate Arabic people, or do you hate them because of something which was done to your ancestors a long time ago, and you've been told to hate them by your parents.

[Whois]

You don't seriously imagine that Israel could use nuclear weaponry with impunity, I hope. If Israel dared to nuke the Arab capitals there would be no stopping the extermination of the country. It's a MAD scenario, Cold War-styles.

I suspect that if they throught the US would back them up, they'd use them in a heartbeat...

[Thundercracker]

Tell me, Dr_Slump, are Israelis prepared to share land with Arabic people? If a Palestinian wants to bring his family and live and work in Tel-Aviv, is he allowed to?


Does it seem reasonable to you that in the current situation, the Israeli authorities will allow Palestinians to move inside Israel freely??
All the terror groups from the Gaza strip and the West bank (supported by Syria and Iran) are trying in every single way, and all the time (no matter what cease fire have Abu-Mazen just signed) to infiltrate Israeli cities and start blowing up coffee houses, bus stops, malls, and what not.
Why would we simply let Palestinians immigrate to Israel?
We have enough trouble as it is with some of the Arab Israelis who assist these terrorists.

[Funkaloyd]

If you're going to claim control of their territory, the very least you can do is afford them some basic rights.

[Ali]

Does it seem reasonable to you that in the current situation, the Israeli authorities will allow Palestinians to move inside Israel freely??
All the terror groups from the Gaza strip and the West bank (supported by Syria and Iran) are trying in every single way, and all the time (no matter what cease fire have Abu-Mazen just signed) to infiltrate Israeli cities and start blowing up coffee houses, bus stops, malls, and what not.Who is maintaining the current situation? Are Palestinians and Syrians happy about land which their families have lived on for generations being declared a part of Israel and them then being told to leave? Who is building a wall which seperates many farmers from their fields and otherwise hinders people who just want to get on with their lives.

Why would we simply let Palestinians immigrate to Israel? Why not? If Palestinians were allowed into Isreal, to live and work there as they pleased, then why would they be blowing themselves up, when they know they'd be killing Palestinians as well? What reason would they have for killing Israelis if they were allowed to live and work in Israel?

Is what your government is doing making the situation any better for you, or are the people on the other side of the border just getting more and more angry each day? It's not going to improve like this. If your government doesn't withdraw from the occupied territories and cease building houses for settlers, then there will never be peace in the Middle East. Is that what you want?

It can't last, you know? The US is not going to support you forever. You can't go on fighting your Arabic neighbours, regardless of what has happened in the past, you have to make friends with the Palestinians and share the land that you're busy fighting over.

[Thundercracker]

i can't belive how naive can people be at times.

[Qdrop]

i can't belive how naive can people be at times.

i'm guessing by your current place of residence, you can't help but be at least a little biased though....
right?

[bobi]

GMA']
So we fund about 1/4th of Isreal's military.
Hello to everybody enjoing this discusion.
1. The militaty budget Israel gets from the U.S. is SPEND IN U.S.A. It means they don't just get 3 billions and spend it on drinks in the Bahamas, the money stay in U.S.A and if you ask me who got the "CREAM" over it I would say, of course Israel, but also the US military industry. Does it sound familiar to you? Most of the US foreighn policy is based on OIL/MILITARY industry interests.
2. I"m sure the Palestinians got more people injured/killed then the israelis. Also the iraq people got more then the americans, and also the chechenians got more then the russians. Think about it!
R.I.P to all of them.
3. The solution will come when the both sides fully understand that half peacely country is better than a whole country thats burning like hell.

[Ali]

i can't belive how naive can people be at times.Can you believe how cynical people can be?

You are caught in a deadlock. The violence is cyclical. You won't let Palestinians in because they will bomb you. They bomb you because you won't let them in (and won't let them back in to areas which were their homes before).

You think that you can fight forever?

You think a wall is going to solve your problems?

You think that invading and killing is going to make people afraid to fight you?

You think that getting the US to attack your enemies is going to bring peace to the Middle East and ensure your continuing prosperity?

Sounds more than a little naive to me.

[Ali]

I would love to see a free Palestine, but I don't ever expect to see this happen as it would involve Israel making concessions on which they are not prepared to make. It is a shame this situation has come this far, and is it getting any better?

I understand the dispair of the Arabs, and why many take such drastic measures, but I do not agree with the loss of life. It is apparant that it is still not getting their point across.

I think a serious reform of the policies of Israel is needed, but with USA backing Israel, I don't see a real important change happening.I can see the Israeli POV, too (believe it or not). They have been attacked many, many times in the past and now they are not going to take any chances.

But it's not helping the situation. Israel has to try to forget the past and work to make friends with her enemies.

Israel must also stop demonizing her neighbours, provoking Palestinian reactions and labelling it terrorism, accusing neighbours of having Nuclear weapons, etc.

If the world sees this, then they will be more sympathetic to Israel, but right now it's the Israelis who look bad. Even the US has had enough...

[bobi]

I can see the Israeli POV, too (believe it or not). They have been attacked many, many times in the past and now they are not going to take any chances.

I think thats the case. The israeli people been backstabbed too many times by their neighbours, only in 56 years they fight like 5 wars and maybe 10 separete years of attentats.
Most of the population do wont true peace in exchange to teretories, but is affraid when they hear some fondamentalistic leaders from "HAMAS" or "HISBULA". Take this period for example, right about now no body shoots at nobody, the palestinian PM is holdig the "Hamas" not to do some military/terror actions, cause He beliaves the way of terror is leading to nowhere and in exchange they will take part of the parliament. But He is also affraid of them cause once they will get in the Parliament, they will start the beef again.
Who read this letters have to understand that the most people of both sides wont peace,truly, but in the both sides there are fondamentalistic minorities with big power, which wont to kill each other. word.

[Ali]

in the both sides there are fondamentalistic minorities with big power, which wont to kill each other. word.like the people who killed Yitzhak Rabin (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/rabinass.html).

As you say, it's a small group of very powerful people who don't want peace.

Why does the majority of people who do really want peace let them get away with it?

[bobi]

like the people who killed Yitzhak Rabin (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/rabinass.html).

As you say, it's a small group of very powerful people who don't want peace.

Why does the majority of people who do really want peace let them get away with it?
It's very complicate to explane the situation in a few words, the political map is very coloured.
Also, they don't wont war, but not to send territoties (which of course leads to nowhere).

[El Nino]

I'd say the first step toward peace would be getting rid of these guys. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/israel/view/)

[Thundercracker]

I'd say the first step toward peace would be getting rid of these guys. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/israel/view/)

i agree. but at the same time get rid of these (http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Pictures/hamas-gaza-body-parts-02.jpg) guys who make their children look like this (http://watch.windsofchange.net/pics/mideast_lebanon_israel_pris.jpg) and that (http://www.science.co.il/Arab-Israeli-conflict/images/hamas-march-20040520.jpg).

[El Nino]

i agree. but at the same time get rid of these (http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Pictures/hamas-gaza-body-parts-02.jpg) guys who make their children look like this (http://watch.windsofchange.net/pics/mideast_lebanon_israel_pris.jpg) and that (http://www.science.co.il/Arab-Israeli-conflict/images/hamas-march-20040520.jpg).

Fair enough, but don't be so self righteous on the children issue (http://www.scar.utoronto.ca/~msa/issues/Palestine/MultiMedia/pictures/)

[Ali]

Both sides have to sort out the extremists.