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ASsman
03-15-2005, 10:32 PM
Seriously, milk shot out my nose when I read the headline.
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Exclusive Alexander Hanff had no idea Hollywood was keeping such a close eye on him. Then, last Saturday morning, a movie studio functionary arrived at his door. Hanff, still in his dressing gown and not yet full of coffee, opened the door, only to be served with a lawsuit by Paramount, Twentieth Century Fox, Universal City Studios and Warner Bros.

You may have already guessed Hanff's supposed transgression. The movie studios suspect him of running a BitTorrent hub and helping people download copyrighted films via P2P technology. The MPAA (Motion Picture Association of American) has gone after numerous BitTorrent hubs on similar charges and managed to shut many of them down. The plot here is a familiar one.

There are, however, a couple of factors that make Hanff's story unique. For one, the US studios served Hanff papers at his home - in England. Secondly, Hanff, 31, owns the DVDR-Core domain name and pays for its server, but he has never actually administered the site. That's done by a group of online friends that Hanff has never met in person. Lastly, Hanff plans to fight the movie studios, making him a rarity among BitTorrent hub owners.

"I am certainly not going to settle for anything that will compromise my integrity or the integrity of our members," Hanff said. "They can bankrupt me. I don't own a house, so they can't take it. I own a few guitars that they can have and an old inkjet printer. It's a waste of their time and of my time."

Hanff argues that BitTorrent hubs should be covered by the same rulings that have made P2P services legal in the US. The hubs don't host actual movie files. They point people to computers where the movies are stored. It's the users and not the hub owners that are directly infringing on the movie studios' copyrights. And with personal files and open source software being moved via BitTorrent technology, there are plenty of substantial non-infringing uses for the hubs.

"Torrent files don't contain any data," Hanff said. "This is a search engine scenario. Why aren't Google, Yahoo or Microsoft getting sued?"

Hanff bought the DVDR-Core domain name close to 18 months ago and then last year purchased a server hosted in California. His online friends then set up a community site for DVD and movie enthusiasts. The site had all the basics such as chat rooms, discussion boards and special "members only" sections. It also happened to have a BitTorrent tracker for finding files - many of them copyrighted works of MPAA members.

In total, the site was actually only up and running for a few months. Hanff shut it down of his own volition in December, after reading about raids on Dutch P2P sites. (Hanff had moved from the California servers to Dutch servers in early December and shut down the site in mid-December).

"The servers were wiped clean by the administrators," Hanff said.

Hanff insists that he has never administered the DVDR-Core servers, unless you count paying for them as administration. Only his online associates - who he has never met and can't even be sure if he knows their real identity - have touched the boxes. Hanff declined to provide contact details for these administrators but said they have not been served with any papers by the movie studios.

The movie studios never sent word that they were concerned about the DVDR-Core site until the lawsuit threat arrived - a fact which really displeases Hanff.

"I never received a complaint, and I took the site down on my own," he said. "Now, three or four months later, I am getting served."

While he was only served last week, the studios filed their lawsuit back on 14 December in the District Court for Northern Illinois. They filed a "John Doe" lawsuit, but the studios were later able to identify Hanff with the help of the server's ISP.

"Though you may currently be located in the United Kingdom, you will be subject to the jurisdiction of the United State federal court by virtue of your engaging in BitTorrent activities through a US Internet Service Provider, among other reasons," the studios said via their lawyers. The lawsuit filed by the movie studios claims DVDR-Core provided links to 1,000 torrents and films such as "Big Fish," "The Bourne Supremacy" and "The Stepford Wives." The media mob threaten to seek anywhere from $750 to $150,000 per infringed work.

DVDR-Core never provided Hanff with any extra income. He didn't put ads on the site and used a scant amount of donations to pay for the server. At its peak, the site had about 30,000 registered members.

Hanff has no idea how to respond to the studios from a legal standpoint. The studios have tapped Jenner & Block LLP in Chicago to do their dirty work. The law firm, however, didn't say what it would accept as a settlement or what the movie studios wanted.

On Tuesday, Hanff, an IT trainer by day, plans to ask for legal and possibly even financial help on the DVDR-Core site. A similar strategy was employed recently by another BitTorrent hub - the dubious LokiTorrent.

"Loki kind of ruined it for people like me, but I am going to appeal for legal advice on the web site," he said.

This case proves that the MPAA, like its musical counterpart the RIAA, is intent on making an example out just about anyone. It's prepared to send operatives scurrying about the UK to serve papers on a man who had already shut down a possibly legal site months ago.

The media moguls likely won't get any lucrative pay out of Hanff. All he has are those guitars, a printer and three cats. As it turns out though, that's the type of arsenal our most feared criminals pack these days. ®

http://www.theregister.com/2005/03/15/mpaa_hanff_suit/

Funkaloyd
03-16-2005, 03:03 AM
But then whose crappy movies are we gonna pirate?

Ali
03-16-2005, 07:40 AM
(n) What is this thread doing in the Political section? (n)

synch
03-16-2005, 07:51 AM
RIAA and MPAA being able to serve papers to a UK citizen through the US legal system is a political discussion so it could belong in here depending on whether we're going to discuss that or exchange bit torrent sites.

Personally I think that they are after the cats and the ink jet printers. Ink cartridges are bloody expensive!

Ali
03-16-2005, 09:49 AM
RIAA and MPAA being able to serve papers to a UK citizen through the US legal system is a political discussion so it could belong in here depending on whether we're going to discuss that or exchange bit torrent sites.OK then, so Bit Torrent is now a political issue.

BitTorrent is a free speech tool. (http://www.bittorrent.com/introduction.html)

So was Napster.

Get it while it's hot!

Edit: Found this (http://news.com.com/BitTorrent+servers+under+attack/2100-7349_3-5473754.html) interesting article. Looks like Hollywood's using more than just legal means to stem the Torrent.

ASsman
03-16-2005, 12:09 PM
Well, has to do with our rights, industry, the courts, so on so forth.

Whois
03-16-2005, 01:00 PM
That is a SAD case of affairs. I really hope death comes to Hollywood one day.

I dream of a dozen tornados hitting Hollyblowjob a la 'The Day After Tomorrow'.

...I have a dream!

ASsman
03-17-2005, 10:47 AM
Oz BitTorrent sites close on raid fears

Australian BitTorrent sites have started to shut down in an attempt to protect themselves from increasingly aggressive tactics employed by the Australian music industry anti-piracy operation.

Music Industry Piracy Investigations (MIPI), which was instrumental in the local music business' legal action against Kazaa owner Sharman Networks, last week raided Perth-based ISP People Telecom, formerly known as Swiftel, in a bid to seize information it hopes will help it identify file-sharers offering music illegally. It has said it has more such raids planned.

Since then several P2P hubs in Western Australia have closed down, local news site Whirlpool reports, along with a number of others on the Eastern side of the country.

"Due to the increasing number of raids on P2P sites which seem to be getting closer and closer to home, we've decided to call it a day," one posted on its now otherwise-empty homepage. "This is to protect ourselves, as well as you users." Likewise, Victoria-based BitTorrent site VIXBit has "decided it was time... to call it a day".

MIPI's investigation into People Telecom centred on two P2P hubs, Torrent Web Pages and Archie's Hub. The latter is believed to have been configured to only serve content to the ISP's customers, which led MIPI to allege the ISP had "adopted BitTorrent technology for the purpose of generating a commercial benefit".

At the time, People Telecom distanced itself from the actions of its users, and pledged to "assist" MIPI efforts to stamp out illegal content sharing.

The two companies have been ordered to appear before an Australian magistrate's court next week. ®

http://www.theregister.com/2005/03/17/oz_torrent_closures/

Ali
03-18-2005, 08:59 AM
Well, has to do with our rights, industry, the courts, so on so forth.So file sharing is an international crime, like murder and drug smuggling.

Tail wagging dog again.

yeahwho
03-18-2005, 10:47 AM
"That's Entertainment"

ASsman
03-22-2005, 06:41 PM
A second British movie-oriented website owner has been threatened with legal action by US movie studios for allegedly offering their films as BitTorrent downloads without their permission.

Kevin Reid, who runs bds-palace.co.uk, was last week given notice that Paramount, 20th Century Fox, Universal and Warner Bros. intend to name him in a lawsuit - filed last December with the US District Court of New Jersey - which claims "significant" numbers of pirate movies were made available through his site.

The studios' representative, Matthew J Oppenheim (see Bootnote, below), a partner with Washington DC law firm Jenner & Block, informed Reid by letter that the studios will formally name the Briton in the suit unless he avails himself of "an opportunity to settle the claims".

Reid's situation matches that of Alexander Hanff, the owner of UK site DVDR-core, who was also on the receiving end of threatening missives from the US movie industry last week, as we exclusively revealed.

Both Reid and Hanff deny endorsing and facilitating the sharing of unauthorised copies of movies through their sites, David Harris, a lawyer specialising in intellectual property and information technology issues at UKITLaw.com, and who is representing both Reid and Hanff, told The Register today. The two didn't host illegal content, he said, and when notified that users were posting links to unlawful BitTorrent downloads, they acted promptly to remove those links. BitTorrent has lawful uses, and both sites contained links to legitimate BitTorrent-hosted content.

Hollywood's complaints are entirely without foundation, Harris said.

No wonder, then, that neither Reid nor Hanff are planning to accept Hollywood's offer of a settlement, so a fight seems likely. The studios' lawyers will almost certainly add the website owners' names to the respective lawsuits, and a US judge may yet rule Hollywood has a case which Reid and Hanff must answer.

The difficult part will be getting them to do so. Reid and Hanff's sites may be hosted on the servers of US-based ISPs, but both, being resident in the UK, are well beyond the limits of the US court's jurisdiction. A scenario in which men in black suits and sunglasses arrive at Heathrow airport to drag Reid and Hanff, kicking and screaming, to the US seems unlikely at this stage.
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http://www.theregister.com/2005/03/21/mpaa_reid_suit/

Ali
03-23-2005, 10:06 AM
A scenario in which men in black suits and sunglasses arrive at Heathrow airport to drag Reid and Hanff, kicking and screaming, to the US seems unlikely at this stage.Pity. It would have been fun!

Maybe the Brits can still nail him on behalf of the US. UK is practically a US state, anyway... :p

Axl Z
03-27-2005, 05:54 AM
UK is practically a US state, anyway... :p

hmmm... sadly that's true!