Liberals, unable to survive in real working world, dominate academia

[valvano]

:eek:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8427-2005Mar28.html?nav=rss_politics

[ms.peachy]

I'm curious as to how you come to the conclusion that being an academic is not real work.

[Qdrop]

i don't doubt this at all.....

higher education tends to bring enlightenment....
and many (NOT ALL) of the liberal stances come from a more intelligent, open-minded undersanding of the world in general.....which higher education breeds.

but i think there IS something to the article (and valvano) aluding to liberals (particularly far lefties) having a difficult time succeeding in society in areas other than acedemia....


the fustrated (financially strapped, economically challanged-- yet often highly educated) usually blaim the system and society...which is the backbone of the far left sentiment.
the failure feeds the liberalism, in that case.......
acedamia and/or public protest/interest areas seem to be the only areas they fit well into, and welcome them....as the idea of working for lower wages "in the system" is putrid to them (as is hard work in general)...and having to slowly work up the ladder to gain a comfortable life.

am i equating liberalism with laziness?....
to some degree, yes.
i see it quite a bit....
there is probably alot of variable psychology going on their....but i see it alot, none-the-less.

i think that is one unfortunate side-effects of higher education: you feel you are meant for something much bigger than just a small worker-ant in some corporation in a system that seems unfair to you.
you know so much....you understand so much....
you need to show everyone else....
you can't waste away in the system...

am i dabbling in stereotypes?
yeah.....
but there is alot of truth to it...

[ms.peachy]

....as the idea of working for lower wages "in the system" is putrid to them (as is hard work in general)...and having to slowly work up the ladder to gain a comfortable life.


Whaaaat? Are you mental? Most people working in academia make very little money from their work. (Until they write a book, after years and year in their field.) A select few, at the very top, can do well on the lecture circuit. But the vast majority don't make loads of money, trust me. I could walk out of this museum tomorrow and go do a job similar to what I am doing now in the private sector for a good 30% more money.

[ericg]

I have to say.. somewhat good answer Qd..
m.p. kinda missed it..

Liberals, anybody & everybody... does there not come a time... when facts is facts. The goddamn answer is YESS, YES you factioned subjective quibbling motherfuckers.

Like I can't stand it when a liberal.. or anyone for that matter.. is just another word for someone somewhat intelligent that doesn't have the backbone or really enough experience to keep it simple enough to...

Anyway, would you have Einstein in a coal mine...? That's how I feel. 'Cause I could show you first hand.. second... and third....!

'Cause the way the BUllSHit runs downhill these days..

On with the cohurdling and jurdling... like it don't fucking stop.
Vote of no fucking confidence already with you fucks.
Fuck this, I'm out.

[Qdrop]

I'm curious as to how you come to the conclusion that being an academic is not real work.

it's a VERY differant world than blue collar factory work, or moving up the corporate ladder.....

not "real work" or "easier" can be debated.....

but do you really think the phrase "those who can't ...teach" is empty rhetoric?

now, i'm not speaking of elementary teachers and the lot (and i don't believe that phrase is concerned with them either)....
i speak of the tenured proffessors at universities....
who have made there living either regurgatating lessons from wrote memory for a living, or preaching theory that they have never, and will never, put into practive in real world (the global market economy, mass society as a whole, ect)

it is much much easier to write a philisophical and ideoligical book about how a corporation should be run.....then it is to implement and run it.

[Qdrop]

Whaaaat? Are you mental? Most people working in academia make very little money from their work. (Until they write a book, after years and year in their field.) A select few, at the very top, can do well on the lecture circuit. But the vast majority don't make loads of money, trust me. I could walk out of this museum tomorrow and go do a job similar to what I am doing now in the private sector for a good 30% more money.

oh, i'm not attesting that they do.

they take such positions because this is the least frustrating of the positions available....they feel it makes the most of thier "abilities and knowledge"....and yeah.....it's easier, sorry.

[ASsman]

Idiots, unable to make proper threads.

[ms.peachy]

but do you really think the phrase "those who can't ...teach" is empty rhetoric?


Yes.

[catatonic]

Liberal professors serve a very useful purpose. Without, say, Engineering Professors, we'd have a much more difficult time building our bridges and stuff. Where would healthcare be without these liberal professors doing research? They help us learn how to live better and train others to maintain that lifestyle, so why say they don't have real jobs?

What is it with conservatives saying that college professors and Senators from Massachussets don't have real jobs, just because they're liberal? I can't even be a professor it's so hard, and if I was I couldn't keep up with the research. They work long hours and their work is much harder than most office jobs!

[Qdrop]

Liberal professors serve a very useful purpose. Without, say, Engineering Professors, we'd have a much more difficult time building our bridges and stuff. Where would healthcare be without these liberal professors doing research? They help us learn how to live better and train others to maintain that lifestyle, so why say they don't have real jobs?

now before this goes to far,
let me state that I AM NOT demeaning university professors and upper acedamia in general.
i do respect it and think it has value.
i would not have spent 6 years and 40K of my own money if i didn't think that way.

but i do not hold a university proffesor on the same level as successful corporate CEO....or even a shift supervisor at a production plant.

while i hold respect for those that expand thier mind and intelligently "preach",
i hold much more respect for those that actually "do".

both have value in society....
and both took their positions for similar reasons: they couldn't see themselves doing the other.
and they probably wouldn't be very adept at it.



They work long hours and their work is much harder than most office jobs!
ehh.......no.

[valvano]

first, let me say that my wife is an elementary public school teacher, and this is the title of my thread is not directed towards k-12 educators (but could be applied to lots of the behind-the-scenes bureacrates and pencil pushers).

but i think the article makes some legitimate points about undergrad and grad level educators and administrators. while you do learn facts and hard knowledge in college, you also learn "how" to think, analyze etc. you also go to get exposed to millions of different things. i love how liberals pretend to support diversity, as long as it does not contradicts their thoughts and beliefs. this professor in colorado. he's an asshole, but he's got every right to be an asshole and say such things. he spoke his mind, so be it. all the wack jobs protest to support him. but this guy at harvard (or yale, whichever), speaks his mind about women and math/science, and he gets his ass nailed to the wall. what the difference between the 2, they were both speaking how the felt about certain subjects? one was offensive to those in academia and the guy is now paying a big price for speaking his mind. the other, while offensive to the population in general, was not offensive to others in academia and therefore no problems with what he said.

i attended college from 85-90, graduating in 90, and i had one econ prof who every other day had a rant about reagan and how he was killing america, etc etc etc. this had NOTHING to do with the subject of the course. he used the course to lecture us on his thoughts. this has always stuck with me.

so yes, whether you want to believe it or not, currently liberalism has been beaten back from the population in general, its being beaten back in the media through the up-rising of new media outlets (Fox, internet, etc). america has changed. the only place for the liberal establishment to find any type of level of survivorship is in academia

(y)

[Qdrop]

first, let me say that my wife is an elementary public school teacher, and this is the title of my thread is not directed towards k-12 educators (but could be applied to lots of the behind-the-scenes bureacrates and pencil pushers).

yeah....agreed.
my girl is a 6th grade teacher.
i think elementary public school teachers are an entirely differant breed in general....
and fullfill a much differant and much more valuabel roll in society.


i love how liberals pretend to support diversity, as long as it does not contradicts their thoughts and beliefs.

yep.


this professor in colorado. he's an asshole, but he's got every right to be an asshole and say such things. he spoke his mind, so be it. all the wack jobs protest to support him. but this guy at harvard (or yale, whichever), speaks his mind about women and math/science, and he gets his ass nailed to the wall. what the difference between the 2, they were both speaking how the felt about certain subjects? one was offensive to those in academia and the guy is now paying a big price for speaking his mind. the other, while offensive to the population in general, was not offensive to others in academia and therefore no problems with what he said.

well.....they both got there ass handed to them by the media.

but as far as how liberals kissed one's ass....and crucified the next...
yeah....very fuckin hypocritical.



so yes, whether you want to believe it or not, currently liberalism has been beaten back from the population in general, its being beaten back in the media through the up-rising of new media outlets (Fox, internet, etc). america has changed. the only place for the liberal establishment to find any type of level of survivorship is in academia


now this is just wishfull thinking....
and i can't say i agree with this.

if you are gonna pretend that Foxnews is "here to save us all" you are fucking insane.

[valvano]

if you are gonna pretend that Foxnews is "here to save us all" you are fucking insane.

if i had to survive on an island with a tv and satellite dish, all i would need is espn, espn2, comcast sports, a jefferson pilot affiliate (for acc athletics), hbo, and hbo comedy (for cye), adn the weather channel

like fox news or not, you have to admit they have definitely shaken up the marketplace for news, and their increasing viewership proves they are presenting news in such a way that the market is rewarding them for it.

[Echewta]

So I guess the only way for conservatives to get in the media is with Fox News, paying "journilist" to support white house views, make packaged pro policy news pieces and not saying where they come from, put in talking dummys in the press corp to ask pro white house questions, etc.

What a nice and moral way to beat back liberalism. With trickery.

[Qdrop]

like fox news or not, you have to admit they have definitely shaken up the marketplace for news, and their increasing viewership proves they are presenting news in such a way that the market is rewarding them for it.

they're not news!!
they are pure, slanted, propaganda!

if they called themselves FOXCommentary rather then FOXNews, i wouldn't have as much of a problem.
along with the BS "fair and balanced" monicor.

they get the ratings, not from journalistic excellance.... but rather for 2 reasons:

1. they preach to the chior. (they suck thier target demographics DICK!)

*note* this is the same reason AIRamerica radio has skyrocketed so quickly in the past year....shattering talk radio records for ratings growth, ect.

2. shock value.
they get higher ratings for the same reason Howard Stern gets such high ratings: "they wanna hear what they'll say next."
Foxnews specializes in tilted, outrageous slander and bravado (sean hannity, O'Riely)...rather than solid reporting.

Foxnews is about as respected in the news world as Entertainment Tonight.

www.outfoxed.org

[ms.peachy]

but i do not hold a university proffesor on the same level as successful corporate CEO....or even a shift supervisor at a production plant.

while i hold respect for those that expand thier mind and intelligently "preach",
i hold much more respect for those that actually "do".



Teaching is not preaching. Not even close.

I suspect you and I have very different ideas of what the word "successful" means.

[D_Raay]

And the bullshit wave continues.....

Just another sorry attempt by the right to establish a "liberal elite" ruling from the bench. Sorry, but there isn't one get over it.

[valvano]

they're not news!!
they are pure, slanted, propaganda!

Foxnews is about as respected in the news world as Entertainment Tonight.

www.outfoxed.org

that's almost as if fox news teamed up with the kerry campaign to produce a news story to slam bush that was based on forgerized documents..........
1 week before the election

:rolleyes:

[valvano]

And the bullshit wave continues.....

Just another sorry attempt by the right to establish a "liberal elite" ruling from the bench. Sorry, but there isn't one get over it.

thats right, close your eyes, stick your head back in your hole, dream about ralph nader and it will all go away...............

:D

[Qdrop]

And the bullshit wave continues.....

Just another sorry attempt by the right to establish a "liberal elite" ruling from the bench. Sorry, but there isn't one get over it.

seriously...
look who fuckin runs the executive and congressional branch....as well as the mass majority of the corporate world.

what liberal ruling elite?

[Qdrop]

that's almost as if fox news teamed up with the kerry campaign to produce a news story to slam bush that was based on forgerized documents..........
1 week before the election

:rolleyes:

you mean CBS news?
:rolleyes:

watch it (Outfoxed), it will shake your values.....if you can handle it.

[BGirl]

i think that is one unfortunate side-effects of higher education: you feel you are meant for something much bigger than just a small worker-ant in some corporation in a system that seems unfair to you.


Unfortunate?? I thank my lucky stars that I have the education/insight/intelligence to realize this about myself and people in general.. and to carve out a more meaningful life and support and encourage others I see doing the same.



And my husband and several of our friends are these academics you speak of (librarians and art historians), and not a one of them does it because they couldn't make it in the corporate world.

[catatonic]

Back to what I said real quick,

the professor accross the hall from me seems to come in around 7 and leave around 6 or 7 and he does very hard research in math, and I know a lot of the research the math professors around me do is hard, although I don't know how long the average one works but most of them are probably in their office 6 hours a day or more, and it's tiring to do all this work.

A lot of the office jobs I've seen might be slightly more hours, but from experience I'd say they are a lot easier than doing research.

[BGirl]

^ I will second that, having just watched my husband complete a research paper for his master's degree. A LOT of hard work.

I also have an old friend who's an econ prof whose career seems to be more about research than teaching. And it seems to be a lot of work as well. (He goes to big league conferences & stuff, I'm waiting for him to meet Paul Krugman :) )

[valvano]

you mean CBS news?
:rolleyes:

watch it (Outfoxed), it will shake your values.....if you can handle it.


i can determine my own views without watching some hashed up documentary, or watching fox news, or CBS news, etc...

(y)

[ms.peachy]

Unfortunate?? I thank my lucky stars that I have the education/insight/intelligence to realize this about myself and people in general.. and to carve out a more meaningful life and support and encourage others I see doing the same.



And my husband and several of our friends are these academics you speak of (librarians and art historians), and not a one of them does it because they couldn't make it in the corporate world.

Forget it. Your husband is simply not as worthy of respect as corporate CEO's and factory supervisors. After all, it's not like he actually DOES anything. Apparently :rolleyes:

[Qdrop]

Unfortunate?? I thank my lucky stars that I have the education/insight/intelligence to realize this about myself and people in general.. and to carve out a more meaningful life and support and encourage others I see doing the same.

i was paraphrasing when i said "small worker ant in a corporation that they hate" as that is a fairly common EXCUSE i hear from liberal college friends and aquaintances alike who have yet to do much with their lives.

my point is that they avoid such work to the point of being 24 and still living with thier parents, with a worthless philosophy or wood craft degree...
so they basically have to get into teaching and become the "academic elite".
elite indeed.

these are those that i speak off.



And my husband and several of our friends are these academics you speak of (librarians and art historians), and not a one of them does it because they couldn't make it in the corporate world.
couldn't?
or wouldn't?

[Qdrop]

^ I will second that, having just watched my husband complete a research paper for his master's degree. A LOT of hard work.

yeah, i did that too.


I also have an old friend who's an econ prof whose career seems to be more about research than teaching. And it seems to be a lot of work as well. (He goes to big league conferences & stuff, I'm waiting for him to meet Paul Krugman :) )
does his research affect society?
will it?

will it be time (a life) well spent?
why did he turn to this?...was really his "calling" you think?

[ms.peachy]

i was paraphrasing when i said "small worker ant in a corporation that they hate" as that is a fairly common EXCUSE i hear from liberal college friends and aquaintances alike who have yet to do much with their lives.

my point is that they avoid such work to the point of being 24 and still living with thier parents, with a worthless philosophy or wood craft degree...
so they basically have to get into teaching and become the "academic elite".
elite indeed.



woah, wait a minute. You were born in 1977, according to your profile. So that would make these college friends of yours what, 30 years old at best?

How on earth do they qualify as 'the academic elite'?

You are drawing some pretty broad conclusions based on a very small 'representative' sample, it seems to me.

The fact that you happen to be friends with a load of slackers doesn't mean that the campuses of universities across the country aren't places of tremendous rigorous practice.

[yeahwho]

i attended college from 85-90, graduating in 90, and i had one econ prof who every other day had a rant about reagan and how he was killing america, etc etc etc. this had NOTHING to do with the subject of the course. he used the course to lecture us on his thoughts. this has always stuck with me.

so yes, whether you want to believe it or not, currently liberalism has been beaten back from the population in general, its being beaten back in the media through the up-rising of new media outlets (Fox, internet, etc). america has changed. the only place for the liberal establishment to find any type of level of survivorship is in academia

(y)

Just out of curiosity, who do you think has more honesty, your old econ professor back at school or Fox News? I know which one is making the most money.

[Qdrop]

Forget it. Your husband is simply not as worthy of respect as corporate CEO's and factory supervisors. After all, it's not like he actually DOES anything. Apparently :rolleyes:

well forgive me if my cynicism shines through here....
but i can't help but cast a cynical eye on much of academia to an extent.

not only did i spend 6 years in college to get 2 degrees, i also GREW UP in the university atmosphere- as my mother and her father worked there...and most of my family went there.
i lived ON CAMPUS for a few years as a child even.

i was surrounded by this world for most of my life.....
and personally know many many of the people i speak of.

i just tend to think of both the rich, the famous, the politicians, and the high academics (proffessors and the like) as all being similar in that they are so detached from the real world.
they are not "in the trenches" so to speak, yet they speak as if they are, make policies as if they are, create social theory and wax philosophic as if they are....

as far as high academia,
i often find it difficult to give them the high respect others do for such reasons.

and i'm sorry....i am really fuckin skeptical that the majority of proffessors and the like took to high academia because it was "there calling", as if it was a higher purpose...
rather than just the only fuckin avenue they had left if they didn't want to join the rat races and struggle some (as most of us must do).

they cheated.....they went to school and never left.

no, they ain't rich....but with their tenure....they're fat off the job security and always will be.
they command respect without earning it....or so it seems to me.

[ms.peachy]

and i'm sorry....i am really fuckin skeptical that the majority of proffessors and the like took to high academia because it was "there calling", as if it was a higher purpose...
rather than just the only fuckin avenue they had left if they didn't want to join the rat races and struggle some (as most of us must do).

they cheated.....they went to school and never left.


How is that cheating?

Who are you to say what people feel 'called' to, and why they have made the choices they have?

How do you know that their professional lives are without struggle?

I think you are being extremely condescending.

[Qdrop]

woah, wait a minute. You were born in 1977, according to your profile. So that would make these college friends of yours what, 30 years old at best?

my friends, yes.
but i am also speaking of the proffesors i grew up around and have known for most of my life.


How on earth do they qualify as 'the academic elite'?

thier not, but this how they start out, IMO.

yes yes ....a very broad stroke.

hey, i'm must makin conversation here.


You are drawing some pretty broad conclusions based on a very small 'representative' sample, it seems to me.

yes...i probably am.
what else can one do.
we all do that.
so i can't comment on this unless i do extensive research on universities all around the world?

i'm posting on a message board....not writing a book.


The fact that you happen to be friends with a load of slackers doesn't mean that the campuses of universities across the country aren't places of tremendous rigorous practice.
i didn't say that.

you're twisting.
i'm not attacking universities....
i'm questioning the motives and reasons for many of the high academia proffesionals career choice.
stay on topic.

[BGirl]

couldn't?
or wouldn't?
Wouldn't, that's my point.




does his research affect society?
will it?

I'm not really in a position to answer that, econ not being my field but I would hazard a yes on that as he just finished a visiting scholar stint at Stanford (doing research) and is being courted by two top schools for tenure-track positions. His field is environmental economics, for instance at Stanford he researched the effect of gas taxes on consumer behavior. Seeing as we're running out of oil this is very important work if you ask me.




will it be time (a life) well spent?

Yes




why did he turn to this?...was really his "calling" you think?]

He's been interested in this kind of thing as long as I've known him (since high school) so I'd say it's probably his calling but can't speak for him on that one.




ms. peachy, thanks for the laugh :)

[valvano]

Just out of curiosity, who do you think has more honesty, your old econ professor back at school or Fox News? I know which one is making the most money.

i did not say i agreed with this guy, or whether i disagreed....its that fact that he had his daily liberal spun diatribes which had nothing to do with the subject of the class , he just used the class as a means to pound into us the way he felt the world SHOULD be

honesty in the media? you tell me.........do you trust "Body Bag" Dan Rather, or High-School drop out Peter Jennings?

[Qdrop]

How is that cheating?

Who are you to say what people feel 'called' to, and why they have made the choices they have?

How do you know that their professional lives are without struggle?

it's just my opinion- based on my own experiance and assessements.

i'm not stating it as fact, how could I?


I think you are being extremely condescending.

must have rubbed off from all the proffessors i have dealt with. ;)

[Qdrop]

Wouldn't, that's my point.

and my point as well, thank you.
"wouldn't" so therefore had to go into academia....didn't want to deal with common workforce.



I'm not really in a position to answer that, econ not being my field but I would hazard a yes on that as he just finished a visiting scholar stint at Stanford (doing research) and is being courted by two top schools for tenure-track positions. His field is environmental economics, for instance at Stanford he researched the effect of gas taxes on consumer behavior. Seeing as we're running out of oil this is very important work if you ask me.




Yes




He's been interested in this kind of thing as long as I've known him (since high school) so I'd say it's probably his calling but can't speak for him on that one.

then i guess time will tell, huh?

[ms.peachy]

and my point as well, thank you.
"wouldn't" so therefore had to go into academia....didn't want to deal with common workforce.


This is unfair. If she'd said "couldn't" then you would have claimed that for your point as well, saying it was evidence of your "those who can't..." claim. There is no way she could have answered that inquiry that you would not have twisted to support your position.

[Qdrop]

This is unfair. If she'd said "couldn't" then you would have claimed that for your point as well, saying it was evidence of your "those who can't..." claim. There is no way she could have answered that inquiry that you would not have twisted to support your position.

if he "couldn't" (handicapped, no employment oppurtunity, ect) than it would not have been a choice.

nice try.

[ms.peachy]

if he "couldn't" (handicapped, no employment oppurtunity, ect) than it would not have been a choice.

nice try.
You are being disingenuous and you know it.

[Qdrop]

You are being disingenuous and you know it.
you sound like my past proffessors when i disagreed with them....

[BGirl]

and my point as well, thank you.
"wouldn't" so therefore had to go into academia....didn't want to deal with common workforce.

What? No.. that's not their reasoning at all. How can you make such assumptions about people?

First of all, you mention the "common" workforce, assuming that they think they're "too good" for the corporate world. No, it's more that they don't value what their peers in the business world value, i.e. money and power.

I've enjoyed this discussion. I gotta jump off, peace out all.

[yeahwho]

The same professors who taught leverage buyouts and global business sense to our repulican majority country? Those rat bastard traitors.

[ms.peachy]

you sound like my past proffessors when i disagreed with them....
Mmm. There's that condescending thing again.

Well, I've got to go now, and get ready for work tomorrow. Oh, wait, that's right, what I do isn't really work at all! Well anyway, then I'll just go get ready to go to that big brick building full of people who are only there because they can't cut it in the real world, which of course they are just so far removed from they wouldn't recognise it anyway.

[Qdrop]

Mmm. There's that condescending thing again.

Well, I've got to go now, and get ready for work tomorrow. Oh, wait, that's right, what I do isn't really work at all! Well anyway, then I'll just go get ready to go to that big brick building full of people who are only there because they can't cut it in the real world, which of course they are just so far removed from they wouldn't recognise it anyway.

are you speaking of the students, the administrators, or the proffessors?

i am speaking only of (what i feel is a large amount, if not the majority) of proffessors and the like.

just my opinion.

let's not get catty and petty.

[yeahwho]

Just because my grandfather didn't rape the environment and exploit the workers doesn't make me a peasant. And it's not that he didn't want to rape the environment and exploit the workers, I'm sure he did. It's just that as a barber (http://www.americancollegeofhair.com/history.html), he didn't have that much opportunity.

[Schmeltz]

Well that's weird... if liberal academics are just scared of doing "real work" in the corporate field (oh, that bastion of professional competence and devoted, principled hard work), what the hell am I doing working nine and ten-hour days for a pittance trying to pay my way through university?

What absolute jackassery. Educating yourself, and contributing to the education of others - an absolute necessity in the modern era - is just as worthy and meritorious a career as sucking middle management's cock so you can get a bigger cubicle. Qdrop's just angry because he couldn't make it in the academic world (see his inability to spell "professor"), so he has to design fonts for a living.

[jusme1072]

okay, in my opinion i think the reason there are a high percentage of liberals teaching in the "top tier" of academia is this:

oh about 30 - 40 years ago there were a large majority of hippies in college, protesting vietnam, blah blah blah. so these hippies decided they wanted to change the world and so quite a few decided they would do this by teaching college students. now these hippies from 30 - 40 years ago have now been teaching in colleges for this long and have now worked their way up to the "top tier" universities. still liberal and still educating.

this is my opinion, i don't think it has anything to with laziness or any of that other garbage. i suspect the people who state they think it is laziness or inability to work, have never actually taught. i could be wrong, but i taught for 5 years and i don't think i had time to be lazy and not work during the entire time. again just my opinion.

[ASsman]

With knowledge comes enlightenment.

[Ace42]

like fox news or not, you have to admit they have definitely shaken up the marketplace for news, and their increasing viewership proves they are presenting news in such a way that the market is rewarding them for it.

Yah, and Hitler's popularity proved he was presenting Jews in such a way that the market was rewarding him for.

[jusme1072]

Just out of curiosity, who do you think has more honesty, your old econ professor back at school or Fox News? I know which one is making the most money.

wow that was a really poor example of why you should believe someone or an entity (ie fox news). i can think of a lot of examples of people who don't or haven't earned a lot of money but are honest and trust worthy.

[ms.peachy]

are you speaking of the students, the administrators, or the proffessors?

i am speaking only of (what i feel is a large amount, if not the majority) of proffessors and the like.

just my opinion.

let's not get catty and petty.

I see. You've insulted me, my colleagues, and my profession, and then held your hands up with wide-eyed faux-innocence and said "Hey, I'm just sayin'."

And me calling you on that fact is catty and petty.

Oh, okay.

[Ali]

if i had to survive on an island with a tv and satellite dish, Hahahahahaahahahahaha that is so American. Survival = Access to TV.

As for your dissing of Academia... where do you think the algorithms running the computer you are using to diss the profs were devised? A University Research Lab, perhaps? All those company researchers working in the "Real World" were trained by the Academics you so despise.

I sense a bit of the old Sour Grapes here, actually. You were too stupid/lazy to cope with the demands of Academic Life and so now choose to scorn it. Fie on you, dumb beast!

[infidel]

in academia


Would have been a better title for this thread

[Qdrop]

Well that's weird... if liberal academics are just scared of doing "real work" in the corporate field (oh, that bastion of professional competence and devoted, principled hard work), what the hell am I doing working nine and ten-hour days for a pittance trying to pay my way through university?

exaclty.
you'll see, youngen'....


What absolute jackassery. Educating yourself, and contributing to the education of others - an absolute necessity in the modern era

that's a broad generic statement as well....
and it's a strawman.
you are implying that my statements go against all teacher everywhere and everyone who educates themselves.
that is not the case.

and hell, most of the books i own and read are by academic professors.....it's not as if i think they are all no good hippies.



- is just as worthy and meritorious a career as sucking middle management's cock so you can get a bigger cubicle.

office, actually.


Qdrop's just angry because he couldn't make it in the academic world (see his inability to spell "professor"),

again with the grammar nazi routine?


so he has to design fonts for a living.

couldn't make it?
i've probably already made it farther your ass ever will, and i'm only 27.
i'm not the designer....i'm the print/art director (of sorts)....
thus i get to tell the little "font designers" whether or not we can print thier little funny letters.
;)

i love when college students criticize the working class.
it's like when the little boy tells his daddy "he's a bad, bad man!" and runs up to his room to cry.

[Qdrop]

I see. You've insulted me, my colleagues, and my profession, and then held your hands up with wide-eyed faux-innocence and said "Hey, I'm just sayin'."

And me calling you on that fact is catty and petty.

Oh, okay.

come here....let me give you a hug.
:D

*pats on back*

[Qdrop]

As for your dissing of Academia... where do you think the algorithms running the computer you are using to diss the profs were devised? A University Research Lab, perhaps? All those company researchers working in the "Real World" were trained by the Academics you so despise.

read back....

if their research or studies have proven to have a GENUINE positive effect on society, then thier path was worthwhile...and worthy of respect.

but come now,
what percentage of the Academia produce such findings?
shit, make up a number....2% ?

that's like saying "this one defense attorney did a real honest job and got a innocent man freed.....so therefore ALL defense attorney's are great people."


I sense a bit of the old Sour Grapes here, actually. You were too stupid/lazy to cope with the demands of Academic Life and so now choose to scorn it. Fie on you, dumb beast!
hmm....finished near the top of my Master's studies in Printing (graphic art publishing)...4.85 GPA....and it was my SECOND degree in 2 years, thanks.
not too shabby.
i had job offers before i graduated- both times.
oh, and it wasn't a community college either....
RIT- Rochester Institute of Technology.
the top printing college in the country........


too stupid and lazy?

sorry, i have no axe to grind.....
just making an assessment based on personal experiance.

you all get so defensive and try to assume some personal flaw or failure on my part to account for my views.
just deal with it, peoples.

[Ali]

I wasn't talking to you, shithead.

[Qdrop]

I wasn't talking to you, shithead.

WELL! i NEVER!

gasp!





sorry, ali.

[ASsman]

How ironic.

This thread is retarded.

[Qdrop]

How ironic.

This thread is retarded.
well then just start making racist jokes and liven it up.....
you're good at that.

[SobaViolence]

trying to convince Qdrop he's an idiot on issues he's already made up his mind on is like banging your head against a brick wall then blaming the wall for giving you the headache.

anti-intellectualism is so pathetic, it's almost funny. almost. especially when it's based solely on bias, limited experience and narrow mindedness.

Qdrop is mr. Grain O'Salt. pay him no mind.

[Qdrop]

trying to convince Qdrop he's an idiot on issues he's already made up his mind on is like banging your head against a brick wall then blaming the wall for giving you the headache.

anti-intellectualism is so pathetic, it's almost funny. almost. especially when it's based solely on bias, limited experience and narrow mindedness.

Qdrop is mr. Grain O'Salt. pay him no mind.

do i really come across as an anti-intellectual to you?
really now.


typical liberal circle jerking.

you're tolerant of all views....unless they don't agree with yours....then that person is an asshole!

[SobaViolence]

you are misguided.

i am tolerating your views, i am just saying people should ignore your views the same way you ignore everyone else's.

and i could give a fuck if anyone else agrees with my views. why do you?

[Qdrop]

you are misguided.

i am tolerating your views, i am just saying people should ignore your views the same way you ignore everyone else's.


tolerate by ignoring?
yeah...that makes sense.

you guys toss around that "misguided" monicor to anyone who has proven their intelligence, but yet still doesn't agree with all of your liberal views.

hmph.
yes...tolerant.
:rolleyes:

[ASsman]

Wait, doesn't work both ways? Atleast according to you it should. Great now we all agree with everyone else. The world is perfect.

[Qdrop]

Wait, doesn't work both ways? Atleast according to you it should. Great now we all agree with everyone else. The world is perfect.

ehh...

i don't think any of you are misgiuded....

just wrong and stupid.














i kid.

[jusme1072]

damn...did we already get to the part where everyone just calls everyone else names? after only 3 pages? that was quick.

[Schmeltz]

Qdrop, you fucking idiot, I am the working class. I pay for all my own schooling because my parents can't afford to. So does my sister. You're about as far from the working class as it gets, sitting in your sterile buttoned-down white-collar dystopia, flying a desk toward the lofty goal of higher printer efficiency. Bottom line: I don't know where you think you get off telling people they're "too lazy" for the corporate world, but you come across as nothing more than a superficial jackass.

The "working class" indeed.

And yes, people who never use a capital letter when they write things (never mind being unable to spell "exactly") could be considered "anti-intellectual" in the sense that "anti-intellectual" is about the kindest word one could use to describe that state of mind.

[Qdrop]

Qdrop, you fucking idiot, I am the working class. I pay for all my own schooling because my parents can't afford to.

i did to.


You're about as far from the working class as it gets,

based on what?

sitting in your sterile buttoned-down white-collar dystopia,

i'm wearing a polo shirt and jeans with sneakers.
my jeans have a stain on them.
but sure....

i work (and hang out) with mostly bluecollar production line workers in my plant....about as gruff as you get.
the press, in all it's sweaty, greasy glory is 10 feet from my office.
i'm not sure how much more "in the trenches" you could want, fucker.

dystopia, indeed.

flying a desk toward the lofty goal of higher printer efficiency.

i try.

Bottom line: I don't know where you think you get off telling people they're "too lazy" for the corporate world, but you come across as nothing more than a superficial jackass.

how so?
because i defened myself, my accomplishments and my job when Ali appeared to be attacking me?


The "working class" indeed.

indeed.


And yes, people who never use a capital letter when they write things (never mind being unable to spell "exactly") could be considered "anti-intellectual" in the sense that "anti-intellectual" is about the kindest word one could use to describe that state of mind.
you use people's typos on an internet message board to rate their intelligance....
but I'M the superficial one?

look, assman,....more irony for you!

[Schmeltz]

you use people['s] typos on a[n] internet message board to rate their intellig[e]nce....


So was that the irony you pointed out for Assman? Or was it something else?

It's all well and good for you to defend your accomplishments and your job, I would expect nothing less from anybody. But your comments in this thread are totally asinine, stereotypical and worthless. Seriously, you're not doing yourself any favours.

"The press is ten feet from my office." Ha ha ha! Wow, you're in the same building as blue-collar workers? Your job must be a lot more gritty than I imagined!

[Qdrop]

So was that the irony you pointed out for Assman? Or was it something else?

something else.

but, thanks...i corrected the typos so that you would think i was more intelligent...


It's all well and good for you to defend your accomplishments and your job, I would expect nothing less from anybody. But your comments in this thread are totally asinine, stereotypical and worthless. Seriously, you're not doing yourself any favours.

eh...says you.
"favors"?...what favors?
the favor of earning people such as yourselve's respect?
yes....i so need that.

the battle lines on this section were drawn some time ago.
the people that hate me or don't respect me will not sway...
same as the people who like me and my stances...

what's done is done.


"The press is ten feet from my office." Ha ha ha! Wow, you're in the same building as blue-collar workers? Your job must be a lot more gritty than I imagined!
it tis..it tis.

i even cut my finger once....really.


so you really think you come across as any less arrogant as me?
really?
read your posts again.....


but really, i must know...
what glorious blue collar, man-of-the-people career have you chosen?
now it's your turn to defend...

(oh and do me a favor, my little bitch secretary, and check my typos...hurry now....)

[Schmeltz]

Says me and quite a few other people, judging from the reaction to this thread. And you're wrong when you say people can't be swayed, my opinion of you was rather high before I read this thread.

I cut and/or burn a hand almost every shift I work; sometimes they heal quickly, other times they hang around for... well, two on my right hand and one on my left have been around almost two years. My hands are often so grimy after work that even a grood scrubbing in the shower won't get them totally clean. And I'm luckier (or maybe more careful) than most of the guys I work with who have nasty scars from really bad accidents, often from many years ago. That's how we roll in the trenches, man. Of course, cooking isn't nearly as dangerous as industrial work or construction or other such things, but we don't have unions or half-decent pay either.

My chosen career involves the academia you lambast so ineffectively, but given the route I'm using to get there I hardly think you can call me too lazy for anything else. I've also toyed with taking the cooking thing further, since it's so fun, but there's more money and intellectual stimulation to be had from history.

I don't see any capital letters at the beginning of your sentences.

[Qdrop]

Says me and quite a few other people, judging from the reaction to this thread.

I cut and/or burn a hand almost every shift I work; sometimes they heal quickly, other times they hang around for... well, two on my right hand and one on my left have been around almost two years. My hands are often so grimy after work that even a grood scrubbing in the shower won't get them totally clean. And I'm luckier (or maybe more careful) than most of the guys I work with who have nasty scars from really bad accidents, often from many years ago. That's how we roll in the trenches, man. Of course, cooking isn't nearly as dangerous as industrial work or construction or other such things, but we don't have unions or half-decent pay either.

<see above edits>

you're a short order cook.
yay....so was i for 4 years while going to college.

been there, done that....let me know if you want any pointers.

oh, and what career path are you currently going to college for?

(again, be a good little secretary bitch and check my spelling....)

[Schmeltz]

An ellipsis contains three periods (...) and should have a space between it and the next word. Begin new sentences with a capital letter, and capitalize proper nouns like "I."

Seriously, a big-time corporate shill like you needs a secretary to check his correspondance? And here I thought only men of ability attained your position at the top of the heap.

Also, how frequently should farkay noodles be turned in order to prevent sticking in a wok? I suppose it's all a matter of organization during the rush, but I'm often troubled by the amount of noodles I lose. Perhaps I should use more oil.

[Qdrop]

And you're wrong when you say people can't be swayed, my opinion of you was rather high before I read this thread.
bullshit.
you've been giving me shit since day one, fucker.
do a post search...


My chosen career involves the academia you lambast so ineffectively, but given the route I'm using to get there I hardly think you can call me too lazy for anything else. I've also toyed with taking the cooking thing further, since it's so fun, but there's more money and intellectual stimulation to be had from history.

a history teacher.
yes...you are exactly what i'm talking about.
a field that has virtually no end goal other then to teach, for the most part.

you are going to college to stay in college and regurgatate the same stuff to other people who come to your college.
...because working in the real world as a short order cook just doesn't hack it for you.


I don't see any capital letters at the beginning of your sentences.
good boy.
now roll over and bark....
good boy....

[Qdrop]

Seriously, a big-time corporate shill like you needs a secretary to check his correspondance? And here I thought only men of ability attained your position at the top of the heap.

oh, i am far from the top of the heap...
i have much farther to go....

and why check my spelling when i have you doing it for me for free?

ahh...life is good.


Also, how frequently should farkay noodles be turned in order to prevent sticking in a wok? I suppose it's all a matter of organization during the rush, but I'm often troubled by the amount of noodles I lose. Perhaps I should use more oil.
hmm...maybe you should stick to editing people's typos....
maybe you're just better at that.

yes, more oil....but don't let it splatter on the open flame....or you'll end up with another scar.

hand technique is very important (how you flip).... a good buddy of mine had it down cold....one clean motion, don't jerk to hard.
(wow...that sounded gay.)

[Schmeltz]

As I said (ahh, you can't read - that would explain your difficulty with writing), working as a cook is perfectly hackable, really enjoyable and I've considered getting my papers. But I enjoy the intellectual stimulus of studying history and the coherent understanding of the present (and, ideally, of the future) that can be derived from it. Plus there's way more money in it. It certainly isn't any less stressful - quite to the contrary, I find school much more difficult and stress-inducing than cooking.

If you think history has no end goal besides teaching, you're even more of an idiot than you make yourself look.

And it's r-e-g-u-r-g-i-t-a-t-e.

The difficulty with flipping is that it can't really be done when cooking vegetables and protein in the same wok; you have to get the tongs working for you. If all I had to do was the clean jerk, I'd be sitting pretty. And surely you must be aware of the sheer pleasure that can be derived from squirting oil onto an open flame. What, can't I have any fun?

You should check your spelling because you should have some pride in your intelligence and the way you represent it. Or are you too lazy to master the refined art of orthographics? I get it. You type like gmsisko because you're so lazy.

[Qdrop]

As I said (ahh, you can't read - that would explain your difficulty with writing), working as a cook is perfectly hackable, really enjoyable and I've considered getting my papers. But I enjoy the intellectual stimulus of studying history and the coherent understanding of the present (and, ideally, of the future) that can be derived from it. Plus there's way more money in it. It certainly isn't any less stressful - quite to the contrary, I find school much more difficult and stress-inducing than cooking.

eh...you're doin it for the money (not that you'll make much more than cooking at first) and better job security.
admit it.

not that it doesn't stimulate you,
you are quite smart, i see.


If you think history has no end goal besides teaching, you're even more of an idiot than you make yourself look.

well sure....
now how about you tell me some.
and then tell me what YOU are gonna do with your degree.


And it's r-e-g-u-r-g-i-t-a-t-e.
good boy.
:D

[Qdrop]

The difficulty with flipping is that it can't really be done when cooking vegetables and protein in the same wok; you have to get the tongs working for you. If all I had to do was the clean jerk, I'd be sitting pretty.

i did little work with wok's and such.

i was mostly a grill guy...and worked on the deli lines....
and made to order shit....
but, i too loved it....
best job i ever had.


And surely you must be aware of the sheer pleasure that can be derived from squirting oil onto an open flame.
all too well.

or squirting water into the deep fryers...


You should check your spelling because you should have some pride in your intelligence and the way you represent it. Or are you too lazy to master the refined art of orthographics? I get it. You type like gmsisko because you're so lazy.
nah....too lazy.

[Schmeltz]

Yeah, I'm a forno guy myself. I'm currently trying to teach myself woks and pans, but they won't give me any shifts over there. :mad:

Keep in mind that I'm only an undergrad student; there really isn't much to be done with only a BA in history. My plan is to get my Master's and PhD (then I'll be Dr. Schmeltz), but maybe not in history - could be something else. The thing about a history degree is that it's a liberal arts education that opens all kinds of doors in law, politics, and especially civil service. I don't know if I'd end up doing any of those things, but I guess we'll see.

I really don't have a long-range plan worked out.

[Qdrop]

Yeah, I'm a forno guy myself. I'm currently trying to teach myself woks and pans, but they won't give me any shifts over there. :mad:
those fuckers.


Keep in mind that I'm only an undergrad student; there really isn't much to be done with only a BA in history. My plan is to get my Master's and PhD (then I'll be Dr. Schmeltz), but maybe not in history - could be something else. The thing about a history degree is that it's a liberal arts education that opens all kinds of doors in law, politics, and especially civil service. I don't know if I'd end up doing any of those things, but I guess we'll see.
without a master (or PHD)...a liberal arts degree won't get you anything...
talk to my buddies who followed the same path.

and even if you want to teach, you need to get certified.



I really don't have a long-range plan worked out.
have you considered being a copy editor?




schmeltz....
you're my bestest friend on the BBMB now....

[Schmeltz]

Copy editor? Too corporate. ;)

Let's never fight again. :cool:

[D_Raay]

You have become the biggest troll on this board Q. You must work awfully hard all day where you can sit and give everyone your warped opinions on everything, as if anyone gives a half a shit.

Yeah I am flaming ya. Want to know why? Because reasonable conversation and discussion have gone out the window since you decided you needed to respond to every thread on this board and put your 2 cents in. Problem is even when you are proven wrong, you start calling everything a straw man or a red herring regardless if the term applies or not.

You live in upstate NY right? You must be real well-liked there. Living in liberal NY fence sitting when it is completely irresponsible to do so.

And yes, spelling, punctuation, and proper grammar are signs of intelligence. That is fundamental fact, not myth or hyperbole.

[Qdrop]

ahh, D...
i have missed thee.
we used to be so close.

You have become the biggest troll on this board Q. You must work awfully hard all day where you can sit and give everyone your warped opinions on everything, as if anyone gives a half a shit.

eh...it's the slow quarter in the industry...
more free time...


Yeah I am flaming ya. Want to know why?

why?! why?!


Because reasonable conversation and discussion have gone out the window since you decided you needed to respond to every thread on this board and put your 2 cents in. Problem is even when you are proven wrong, you start calling everything a straw man or a red herring regardless if the term applies or not.

strawman. ;)

when have i been categorically, undeniably served lately?...or at all?
show me the threads.
really....i want to see exaclty where i have been torn down and proven wrong.

or are you just (once again) making broad general statements based on your pre-existing bias?
-brought on by your frustration of not converting me to a card carrying liberal early on.


You live in upstate NY right? You must be real well-liked there. Living in liberal NY fence sitting when it is completely irresponsible to do so.

what a stupid, self-righteous statement.

it's irresponsible to be a centrist in upstate NY?

you boisterous fuck.

see, what really pisses you off is that for every post or thread where i don't tow the liberal line (thus being a "troll" in your book), there are just as many others where i align to your beliefs and stances perfectly...probably taking the words from your very fingers....
and it fuckin drives you nuts....

why expend the energy flaming with me?...particularly if it's so pointless? just put me on your ignore list and live in bliss.

[jusme1072]

LOL you guys are funny. i can't tell if you all hate each other, or love talking to each other about the same things over and over. i don't have a problem with either, i just wanted you guys to know that some of your audience is just really amused. (y)

[SobaViolence]

see, what really pisses you off is that for every post or thread where i don't tow the liberal line (thus being a "troll" in your book), there are just as many others where i align to your beliefs and stances perfectly...probably taking the words from your very fingers....
and it fuckin drives you nuts....


10 points for 'boisterous'

but can you please explain the 'liberal line'?

humour me and explain it, because i really don't know what it is.

Thanks Q.

[D_Raay]

ahh, D...
i have missed thee.
we used to be so close.


eh...it's the slow quarter in the industry...
more free time...



why?! why?!


strawman. ;)

when have i been categorically, undeniably served lately?...or at all?
show me the threads.
really....i want to see exaclty where i have been torn down and proven wrong.

or are you just (once again) making broad general statements based on your pre-existing bias?
-brought on by your frustration of not converting me to a card carrying liberal early on.



what a stupid, self-righteous statement.

it's irresponsible to be a centrist in upstate NY?

you boisterous fuck.

see, what really pisses you off is that for every post or thread where i don't tow the liberal line (thus being a "troll" in your book), there are just as many others where i align to your beliefs and stances perfectly...probably taking the words from your very fingers....
and it fuckin drives you nuts....

why expend the energy flaming with me?...particularly if it's so pointless? just put me on your ignore list and live in bliss.

What really pisses me off Q is that instead of being a true centrist, or true HUMAN BEING for that matter (I hate labels), you pretend to be a higher source of knowledge on almost every topic which makes it's way onto this board. I don't respond to everything. Rather, I read and expand my knowledge but don't feel compelled to respond to topics where my expertise is lacking.

BTW why the insistence on the "liberal" labeling? As if there were anything wrong with it. You may as well know I don't consider it an insult. I just don't happen to think I "tow the liberal line", or any other line.
"Boisterous"? Hardly... I know when I have nothing to add to a conversation.

[D_Raay]

And to the topic at hand... Myth: The U.S. has a liberal media.

Fact: The media are being increasingly monopolized by parent corporations with pro-corporate or conservative agendas.

Fact: Unfettered competition breeds corruption.

The media generally cannot run stories that offend corporations, because sponsors will threaten to pull their advertising dollars. Ah, but disingenuous ones that suit their agendas? Sure why not?

[Ali]

An ellipsis contains three periods (...) and should have a space between it and the next word......Qtip has an ellisp........ :p

.....and a helluvalotof time on his hands.......

.......says me :rolleyes: ....

.......and a skin so thick you could not pierce it with one of those uranium-tipped shells the coalition forces never used in the Gulf.......

I have to admire your persistance, though, even if your spelling, grammar, punctuation and debating skills leave much to be desired.

[ASsman]

Mommy and Daddy are fighting, don't get me involved. As for the working class, I will soon be joining the ranks.. smells like my dad's work...(inhales).

[Qdrop]

but can you please explain the 'liberal line'?

humour me and explain it, because i really don't know what it is.

Thanks Q.

aligning with the standard liberal beliefs entirely...

please don't pretend that you don't know what those are.....


i hate when liberals pretend that they're not liberals....and attest to just being "free thinkers" or what not...

free thinkers don't coinsidentaly happen to have 99% of thier beliefs align with standard liberal sentiments.

[Qdrop]

What really pisses me off Q is that instead of being a true centrist, or true HUMAN BEING for that matter (I hate labels), you pretend to be a higher source of knowledge on almost every topic which makes it's way onto this board.
why? because i tend to have a strong opinion on most topics?
get over it.

shit, i start half the threads on this section now anyway from current news items....

i do pop into the majority of the discussions on this thread...
i like the debate....i like the challenge.

and no, i am not humble on this board.....and i don't apologize for it.

you don't see Ace apologizing either.....

again....if it annoys you so....just ignore me.


I don't respond to everything. Rather, I read and expand my knowledge but don't feel compelled to respond to topics where my expertise is lacking.

yeah, that's great, dad.


BTW why the insistence on the "liberal" labeling? As if there were anything wrong with it. You may as well know I don't consider it an insult.

it's not an insult.
being liberal, in and of itself, should have no negative conotation.....
it should be applauded.

i just don't see why someone must be ONLY liberal...


I just don't happen to think I "tow the liberal line", or any other line.

yeah...right....and i don't talk too much.

if you can show me one fucking area where your sentiments don't align perfectly with standard liberal sentiment, i will wet my pants.

and THAT is what i attack you and others for: for claiming to NOT be liberal line towers, and claiming to just be free thinkers who's sentiments "just happen" to align with virtually every standard liberal sentiment.
bullshit....
you DON'T do all your own thinking....you listen and bow to virtually all contemporary liberal or left leaning icons....and follow the diatribe....
why?
the psychology behind it?
fuck....that's pure speculation....
let someone else have at it....

i'm just calling you out on it....

and contrary to popular opinion....i enjoy debate, but not flaming.....
if you only want to flame, just drop it or take it to pm's....

[Qdrop]

.....and a helluvalotof time on his hands.......

so i can multi-task...
so what...



.......and a skin so thick you could not pierce it with one of those uranium-tipped shells the coalition forces never used in the Gulf.......

I have to admire your persistance, though, even if your spelling, grammar, punctuation and debating skills leave much to be desired.

umm.....thanks.
:rolleyes:

[SobaViolence]

aligning with the standard liberal beliefs entirely...

please don't pretend that you don't know what those are.....


i hate when liberals pretend that they're not liberals....and attest to just being "free thinkers" or what not...

free thinkers don't coinsidentaly happen to have 99% of thier beliefs align with standard liberal sentiments.

wow. you dodged a bullet there, man.

i am not american and am not liberal. so keep trying.

c`mon, explain it to me. please...

[Qdrop]

wow. you dodged a bullet there, man.

i am not american and am not liberal. so keep trying.

c`mon, explain it to me. please...

when did i say you were american?

you're not liberal?

tell me about some of your "non-liberal" beliefs (conservative, ect).

[BGirl]

I am not wanting to re-open this discussion/debate/heated argument.. just passing something along:

Qdrop, there's a book I think you might appreciate that discusses some of what you were saying in this thread. It's called The Glass Bead Game, by Hermann Hesse. It's about the life of the mind vs. the active life. It's also considered Hesse's masterpiece and it's a really good read if you're interested in such things. Others who posted in this thread (and interested readers) might appreciate it too. :)

peace

[Ali]

Qdrop, there's a book I think you might appreciate that discusses some of what you were saying in this thread. It's called The Glass Bead Game, by Hermann Hesse. It's about the life of the mind vs. the active life. It's also considered Hesse's masterpiece and it's a really good read if you're interested in such things. Others who posted in this thread (and interested readers) might appreciate it too. :)Does it have lots of colourful pictures?

[BGirl]

Does it have lots of colourful pictures?

Yes, but they'll be in your mind, not on the printed page. :)

[Ali]

Yes, but they'll be in your mind, not on the printed page. :)depending on what Guido has dropped off that evening.

[BGirl]

Oh come on, one doesn't need drugs to mentally illustrate a writer's words.

Besides, his name isn't Guido. :eek: :p

[Ali]

Oh come on, one doesn't need drugs to mentally illustrate a writer's words.
Word.

Besides, his name isn't Guido. :eek: :pC'mon. Dealers are always called Guido, or Hank, or Frank, or whatever. Mostly, we call them, Sir!

[Qdrop]

I am not wanting to re-open this discussion/debate/heated argument.. just passing something along:

Qdrop, there's a book I think you might appreciate that discusses some of what you were saying in this thread. It's called The Glass Bead Game, by Hermann Hesse. It's about the life of the mind vs. the active life. It's also considered Hesse's masterpiece and it's a really good read if you're interested in such things. Others who posted in this thread (and interested readers) might appreciate it too. :)

peace

thanks, i'll look into it.
(y)

[BGirl]

cool, my pleasure :cool:

[Whois]

Circle jerks are so much fun.

[BGirl]

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