Sandinista's Theory Of Music

[A. Remin' D.]

Ever since I met Spanishbomb808/Sandinista! on this board I have basically agreed with his theory of music. There has been constant bashing of him on the message board, and I just want to say that I (for the main part) agree with him, and that I am here to stand up for him. I do like some artists (post-1989), but still, that music does not compare to pre-1989, and most is complete shit. All of you on this board, ask yourself, did new music artists not decline in greatness greatly after 1989? Did not a new artist that was good not come out only in a blue moon? And don't you think Sandinista! is one funny, cool guy? I'd say yes to these questions, wouldn't you?

[ASsman]

Logical Fallacy.

Look it up, look up theory too. You can find a dictionary at your local library.

Also be clear as to what you interpret his/her "theory" to be. AFAIK, it's that ALL music after that time blows, not "some" or "most".

[DroppinScience]

Ever since I met Spanishbomb808/Sandinista! on this board I have basically agreed with his theory of music. There has been constant bashing of him on the message board, and I just want to say that I (for the main part) agree with him, and that I am here to stand up for him. I do like some artists (post-1989), but still, that music does not compare to pre-1989, and most is complete shit. All of you on this board, ask yourself, did new music artists not decline in greatness greatly after 1989? Did not a new artist that was good not come out only in a blue moon? And don't you think Sandinista! is one funny, cool guy? I'd say yes to these questions, wouldn't you?

No, the "theory" is a load of crap.

I don't think there was a decline in good artists emerging after 1989. We got the grunge thing in the early 90s (SB hates that stuff, but they were REALLY good), we got Beck, we got Radiohead, we got RATM, we got White Stripes, Franz Ferdinand, The Hives, Nine Inch Nails, Blur and a whole fuckload more. SB's problem is that in the '90s the music changed from the synth-y thing to a bunch of distorted guitars. That stuff just isn't his taste. He's still a frickin' idiot for actually closing the gates at 1989 (besides, he'll like post-89 stuff before he realizes the release date and then all of a sudden goes: "Oh wait! That song is new. Fuck it, I hate this song").

That aside, yes, he is one clever mofo. He's got an intelligence and choice of words that no 16 year old would use. He's entertaining for that.

It's just that he should actually try and make different posts other then: "Bunch of pennycunt new twats. Someone should gas the ghettoes!"

Y'know?

[Rosie Cotton]

Assman, Sandy's theory is that all post-89 music blows, unless it was made by someone who had a career pre-89, unless they (like Nirvana and NWA) "represent the music that came out in the nineties." This is why groups such as The Cure and The Beastie Boys, while releasing music after the deadline, are still acceptable.

I will concede that there have perhaps been fewer "great" bands that have become relatively succesful. But does that mean that the music is really that bad, or that the record companies don't see the good bands out there as being marketable? Has every good idea really been sucked dry, or are the major corporations to blame for pimping out their idea of beauty instead of actually looking for new talent?

[Sandinista!]

It's not theory, it's fact. Let's outline it:

Any artist that became hip, important, represented a post-89 movement, or came out after 1989 is essentially trash because he/she:

a) Contributed to the end of talent from the 1980s and prior

b) Emulates ideas that were perfected during the 1970s and 1980s in a sub-par way.

The 1990s brought about these tragedies:

Rock and roll was going along great with hair metal, but then the underground had to defecate over all that was holy by bringing their glam-lacking, glum, ranting bullshit into the public square. Thanks a lot, Nirvana (n)

And where did synth pop go? Why did these acts vanish? I fail to see an explanation, but in retrospect, I do see plenty of banal, loud and utterly mindless Euro-Techno clogging the 90s music scene. Some chick singing inane bullshit over an overproduced track featuring blaring, mind-trashing keyboard abuse. No thanks.

After sampling acheived widespread prominence, originality went bankrupt. You could expand upon the past's treasure trove (Paul's Boutique), but the law and a lack of innovation gave us trite repetition a-la Piff Tiddy, or whatever he and his fat friend were called. And after that, we've reached a point where the street folk can't even write songs and yelling over the same rythm and keyboard riff is considered "music." No thanks, G.

90s pop? No thanks.

Then, at the turn of the millenium, we received a whole slew of trite shithead who, gazing at the wasteland around them, decided to do a new thing: Copy the ideas of the past. However, this "tribute" is folly, for it fails to develop any news ideas. These cunts merely replicate old genius, and try to make up for their lack of talent with new machines.

Nice try, imbeciles, but I've heard it before, and I liked it the first time.

[ASsman]

I will concede that there have perhaps been fewer "great" bands that have become relatively succesful. But does that mean that the music is really that bad, or that the record companies don't see the good bands out there as being marketable? Has every good idea really been sucked dry, or are the major corporations to blame for pimping out their idea of beauty instead of actually looking for new talent?
That proves nothing.

Disco sucks, boom his/her "theory" has a giant gaping hole in it. Maybe if he is comparing one Pop age to another, then MAYBE, then again those who only like pre 79 crap probably think 80-89 crap sucks balls. Same argument could be made, but it doesn't have a leg to stand on.

[Trimm Trabb]

Ever since I met Spanishbomb808/Sandinista! on this board I have basically agreed with his theory of music. There has been constant bashing of him on the message board, and I just want to say that I (for the main part) agree with him, and that I am here to stand up for him. I do like some artists (post-1989), but still, that music does not compare to pre-1989, and most is complete shit. All of you on this board, ask yourself, did new music artists not decline in greatness greatly after 1989? Did not a new artist that was good not come out only in a blue moon? And don't you think Sandinista! is one funny, cool guy? I'd say yes to these questions, wouldn't you?

Somebody seems to be trying to get into Sandy's pants...

[DroppinScience]

That proves nothing.

Disco sucks, boom his/her "theory" has a giant gaping hole in it. Maybe if he is comparing one Pop age to another, then MAYBE, then again those who only like pre 79 crap probably think 80-89 crap sucks balls. Same argument could be made, but it doesn't have a leg to stand on.

All it boils down to is somebody looking upon the past with rose-colored glasses. A friend of mine, she was explaining to me that though she's able to find some good new music, she doesn't think the current stuff compares to the classic rock of the '70s (Led Zep, Pink Floyd, CCR and so on), that things looked much better musically. I told her that we're made to think that way because only the best stuff of the past are shown to us today. We don't exactly see the Donny Osmond stuff all that often, now do we? ;) With the passage of time, we'll all forget that disco infected the '70s and only remember '77 for The Clash and Talking Heads. It's all selective memory, really.

[DroppinScience]

Somebody seems to be trying to get into Sandy's pants...

She won't let just ANYBODY into her heart. Gotta try harder, A Remin' D. ;)

[ASsman]

Non of that post 89' shaven porno dick.

[abcdefz]

I can never really tell if Sandinista is being serious or not. To draw a line in the sand -- however informed the decision may be -- and say "nothing after/before this" is just silly.

I'm glad we've got the White Stripes, and Wilco, and Brad Mehldau, and Stereolab. There's so much new stuff out there that's so good that, in order to dismiss it, you have to willfully cut yourself off from quality. I don't understand the necessity to maintain that kind of pose, the same way that I don't understand people who won't watch black and white films or whatever. "It's too old!" is just as silly to say as "It's too new!" unless you're talking about food from the fridge.

[tdot04]

I can never really tell if Sandinista is being serious or not. To draw a line in the sand -- however informed the decision may be -- and say "nothing after/before this" is just silly.

Exactly! To say that there's just a cut-off date at a certain point in time like that is just asinine.

As far as 16-year-olds go, they don't make 'em like Sandy anymore. His brand of jokes and cleverness suggests a Buckingham palace stand-up comic. Or something.

[synch]

It's not theory, it's fact.
I didn't read past this.

Arrogant idiot.

[lionelcrush]

jeff buckley ,weezer, radiohead ,tool ,nirvana, stone temple pilots , of montreal , the black keys , yea yea yeeas, deer hoof , candiria , cave in , etc .. i think you need to listen to more music before you make those aliigations and basically eveything is copied from 60's and 70 's and even before that .. thats nothing new .. its what makes music new and for you to think that any band that comes out has to come out with a whole new genre of music that noones ever heard before is silly cuz thers only a handfull of people whove done that so either lower your expatations or do what i do .. go to the record store and buy albums

[ASsman]

I didn't read past this.

Arrogant idiot.
I was expecting "Arrogant Prick", rolls of the tounge.

[synch]

Wouldn't be comfortable calling a teenage girl a "prick" though.

[EN[i]GMA]

But what if you heard a song and liked it and then later learned it was post 1989?

This brings up an innate contradiction in your viewpoint.

If you suddenly said "No, it's new shit, it sucks" you would be contradicting yourself and essentially lying. If you said you did like it, your theory would be bunk.

Now out of the millions of songs released since 1989, at least some of them have been synth-pop and some of them had to be good.

You just haven't found it yet.

As a matter of fact, Wikipedia has a list of synth-pop artists from the 1990's on.

And until you have listened to every single synth pop song (Not to mention EVERY song) released since 1989, you can in no way validate your theory.

The farthest you can go is "No song I've heard...released after 1989...etc"

The list goes:

1990s and thereafter

* Apoptygma Berzerk
* Assemblage 23
* B! Machine
* Blue October
* Brave New World
* Colony 5
* Covenant
* De/Vision
* Distorted Reality
* Echo Image
* Echoing Green, The
* Faint, The Media
* Faith Assembly
* Freezepop
* Glow
* I SATELLITE
* Intuition
* Iris
* Joy Electric
* Ladytron
* Melotron
* Mesh
* Monolithic
* Neuroactive
* Neuropa
* The Postal Service
* The Nine
* Spray
* S.P.O.C.K.
* Umilenie
* Vespin Love Kit
* Voice Industrie
* VNV Nation
* Wave In Head
* Wolfsheim

[yeahwho]

Theory or Political Loyalty? Selective memory induced by the CIA and Reagon Contra intervention? The anti Sandinsta! surely must be Oliver North. He is Kryptonite.

1988: Sandinistas and contras signed an agreement, but that did not end the war
In 1989: Sandinistas agreed to hold elections in Feb. 1990 if the Contras were dismantled (the US had not recognized the election of 1984)
Harassment and intimidation continued throughout the electoral campaign
US offered economic aid ONLY if opposition candidate Violeta Chamorro was elected (continuation of contra war was a message to intimidate Nicaraguan voters)
February 1990: Violeta Chamorro was elected. Contras were demobilized.
The cost of the war: between 30,000 and 50,000 deaths (in a country of 3.5 million), 100,000 homeless, economic devastation, entire communities destroyed
After 1990: precarious democracy, attempts to reverse Sandinista reforms, continuous economic crisis and widespread poverty.

Skeletons in the Closet.

[aenema]

Dear Board,

Get over it, you're only feeding the tosspots ego. Now here's a cuppa of STFU, with a biccie.

Yours, aenema xoxoxoxoxooxoxoxoxo

[yeahwho]

Dear Board,

Get over it, you're only feeding the tosspots ego. Now here's a cuppa of STFU, with a biccie.

Yours, aenema xoxoxoxoxooxoxoxoxo

The independent mind always has that magnetic quality attraction/opposition and controversy.

I live in the town that killed music, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains and other assorted suspects. Sandinista blames the messengers, I crank the message up to 10 and play air guitar. :D It's all good. (y)

[Kid Presentable]

Dear Board,

Get over it, you're only feeding the tosspots ego. Now here's a cuppa of STFU, with a biccie.

Yours, aenema xoxoxoxoxooxoxoxoxo

Your cuppa is piss-weak...

[A. Remin' D.]

Somebody seems to be trying to get into Sandy's pants...
She won't let just ANYBODY into her heart. Gotta try harder, A Remin' D. ;)

That's just wrong...PERVERTS! I happen to be VERY hetero. I'm just sayin' I agree with HIM, and that he IS cool.

...And my list of the exceptions would be: Beck, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Weezer, and The Game (that's right). Not very much, eh?

[DroppinScience]

That's just wrong...PERVERTS! I happen to be VERY hetero. I'm just sayin' I agree with HIM, and that he IS cool.


No need to over-emphasize your hetero street cred. If you are, you are. That's that.

[aenema]

The independent mind always has that magnetic quality attraction/opposition and controversy.

I live in the town that killed music, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains and other assorted suspects. Sandinista blames the messengers, I crank the message up to 10 and play air guitar. :D It's all good. (y)
Are you refering to me or Sanindista!?

Oh, and you couldn't get more grunge than those bands, you're hate material for Sandy now, he's the uber anti-grunger. Muhahaha.

[Trimm Trabb]

...And my list of the exceptions would be: Beck, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Weezer, and The Game (that's right). Not very much, eh?

Oooookay....

You do know that from now on none of your musical opinions will ever be taken seriously again?

[Junker]

C'mon....you guys are giving too much importance to this Sandinista fag. He's not that worth. He's a stupid who generalize everything. A radical. A terrorist. :D
Sandinista, gofuckyourself!!!

[A. Remin' D.]

Oooookay....

You do know that from now on none of your musical opinions will ever be taken seriously again?

Why? Cuz a lot of fuckers on this board think there "cool" because they listen to uninteresting fag shit? I don't see in any way that my opinion in post-1989 music is bad.

[A. Remin' D.]

...And my list of the exceptions would be: Beck, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Weezer, and The Game (that's right). Not very much, eh?

I forgot Green Day, fuck all you haters!

[Auton]

dude. you have the most idiotic view on music i have ever seen. you reek of cabbage and you're probably a fag.

[aenema]

Why? Cuz a lot of fuckers on this board think there "cool" because they listen to uninteresting fag shit? I don't see in any way that my opinion in post-1989 music is bad.
Sandy Pants isn't going to be best pleased that you're a fan, your grammar is wrong in some parts. Now, I'm not picking, but it's him that will burn you.

Oh and, I think you're a tosspot. You can't say that most post-89 is completely shit, bar a few then name WEEZER as a band that's not one of the shit bands you speak of?

I'm not knocking the fact that you're a Weezer fan (even if they are kinda wank), but you shouldn't have bothered listing exceptions because there are many great bands around now that top all those you mentioned. Especially Weezer.

[Jontz]

Rock and roll was going along great with hair metal, but then the underground had to defecate over all that was holy by bringing their glam-lacking, glum, ranting bullshit into the public square. Thanks a lot, Nirvana (n)

first time.


HAHAHA, you have lost any sense of credibilty, that you think you have on that single comment alone!


I mean im not a nirvana or really a grunge fan for that matter and my favourite artist is David Bowie who was a pioneer in glam rock and the 80's sound, but hair metal was an insult to humanity, it is the equivilent to the new hip hop rap mtv 50 cent thing going on now. Totally false, womenising, emotionless songs, repetive production(ibanez barchords and divebomb solos), the same video clip over and over(the whole live band hot pants cliche), and niether of these music threatening genres will be remembered as they contributed nothing towards the indutry!

[DroppinScience]

Why? Cuz a lot of fuckers on this board think there "cool" because they listen to uninteresting fag shit? I don't see in any way that my opinion in post-1989 music is bad.

Dude, you should change your name to SpanishBomb809. :p

[Sandinista!]

And let it be known, once and for all, that post-89 music is absolute garbage. Fact.

[synch]

Blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah.

[Rancid_Beasties]

I gotta agree with Jontz, hair metal is wrong. Except def leppard, which i like for some reason or another. I would much rather listen to some 80s synth rock or more preferably INXS.