What happened to the taint/damaja/c**t thread? [Archive]

Daisy

04-19-2005, 07:02 PM

Yeah... Uh... Perhaps I don't have all the information, but... Is this a new policy? You can't call someone on the mb a mean name or else you'll get banned? Because if that's the case, you mods are going to have an awful lot of work on your hands because you'll have to ban about 75% of the members.

I mean seriously. How old are we here? I say if you can't handle a little name-calling, you should join a message board about crocheting or Christianity or some shit. Either that or suck it up and take it like a man. It's the internet, for god's sake. Lighten up.

OK, I am going out on a line to say that I agree with everything that you have said. The problem stems from a group of people that find it acceptable to talk like this to one another and a group of people who feel that it is not. With the rules written as they are in the FAQ, it would seem that the people that do not want to talk to one another like this are correct. So, the rules need to be revamped to accurately reflect the rules here.

It is impossible to keep you guys from being rude fuckers to each other and my suggestion is that Beasite Free become unmoderated completely, but keep the standards of the FAQ in tact everywhere else. A warning can be posted on the Beastie Free forum that tells people to enter at their own risk and that we are not watching over it (other than direct nasty shit towards the band or the people that run this site or if they are selling something). We did that at Foo and it works fine. People know the rules and they follow them. I can yell at people for being assholes in the regular band forum and ignore the high school shit that occurs in the non-moderated forum.

Best thing we ever did.

That's my suggestion. Before you guys get all out of control, please let minton and tpk have a moment to figure out what they are going to do.

Thanks.

BSTEGRL

04-19-2005, 07:12 PM

Best thing we ever did.

Thank you.

Documad

04-19-2005, 07:21 PM

Hmmm. No one is more disappointed than me to see the thread disappear. I know that many people read it last night because there were always people in here, and Roosta even did a public service announcement about it in BF. Funny that no one who read it cared to comment or clear up what happened.

A female member (not me) started a thread and asked a legitimate question about what was allowed on the board--whether a pornographic avatar was okay. She asked it in a meek manner, as if she dared not ask and didn't want to cause trouble and wanted to know what others thought.

Damaja posted the first response, which I'm sure you'll all remember was "second opinion: fuck you, cunt." Another male member told the woman she was overreacting. Then Daisy posted that there was nothing wrong with the avatar and made light of damaja's post. Then Minton said there was nothing wrong with the account. I posted that if I were Adrock, I wouldn't want Adrock's Taint posting here with that avatar and all, but that apparently wasn't the standard here. Minton posted that the avatar had now changed and there was no other problem with the user's account. So I said thanks to Minton and said that I was surprised that the original poster was abused for just stating her opinion. I went to work and thought about it while I was driving around town. It occured to me that if it's okay to say "fuck you, cunt" in response to a regular post from someone you don't know then I couldn't imagine what was forbidden here. And Daisy had posted the FAQs just the other day in the banning thread. So I thought I'd come home and start a thread called "if it's okay to say 'fuck you, cunt' is there anything you can't post?" because I thought it would be interesting.

By the time I came home, damaja had posted in response to my post and he called me an old cunt and then said a few things about me watching Countdown and wearing some kind of earrings and something else I don't remember. So I responded that I'm an old American and thus didn't understand the rest of his post. And I told him that I was sorry he had attacked me because I wanted to address the issue and didn't want it to be about me. I wanted it to be about his original post. I wrote a long post where I directed that to damaja and a series of questions to the administrators. Basically, if the board's rule is that "abuse will not be tolerated" what is "abuse."

I discussed the use of "fuck you, cunt" and how it is used where I'm from. It isn't something I have ever heard a man I know say and the last time (before yesterday) that someone directed it at me was a criminal defendant about 10 years ago, etc., so I've never heard it used without a threat implied. When a man uses it in response to a question, it's cleary designed to demean and to shut the woman up and intimidate her into not asking further questions. I also said that any man who would call a woman a cunt would tell me all I need to know about that man. I can't remember everything. I said it wasn't about me because I have thick skin but I don't think that 15 year old girls should be subjected to being abused on the board.

Roosta posted that damaja owned. And Freebasser posted that cunt means friend over there.

Damaja posted that cunt is a perfectly good swear word and he called me a melodramatic piece of trash, told me to leave the board, and said that he doesn't have to look up the profile of someone and find out whether they like fluffy bunnies before he responds. I think he also called me a cunt again. He asked what I wanted.

I quoted damaja's original "fuck you, cunt" comment and said that I wanted to know if abuse won't be tolerated, what is abuse? I asked whether we are free to use ethnic and racial slurs too, or just slurs against women? I asked what are the rules and who makes them?

I think at this point Daisy said that she doesn't make the rules and it would be up to Minton.

Damaja responded again, because I responded to him again, and was all "^^^" and addressing him, but when I posted it, it turned out that Minton had posted and so I was "^^^" ing at Minton and so I deleted it quickly. Minton said that abuse wouldn't be tolerated and told damaja to quit it or something. Minton said that he hadn't noticed the "fuck you, cunt" comment when he read the thread and can't read everything. He said that people should PM him to report abuse.

I tried to edit my deleted post, and had said that it wasn't about damaja but about a bigger issue on the board re intimidating women and that I swear a lot in real life and so it's not about swearing alone. Anyway, I couldn't save it because Minton had posted again and closed the thread. Minton's last post said things would be evaluated on a case by case basis.

After that, I received a lot of emails and PMs from a surprising number of men and women who (1) reported their own past problems with damaja or (2) their feelings regarding the way women are treated here and their disappointment that the band lets it happen.

I don't know why damaja was banned. I imagine that either some people took Minton at his word and reported their problems or maybe Minton searched and discovered the many times that damaja had done similar things. Once Minton actually knew what was going on, I don't think he really had a choice.

I'd love to have a debate on some of this. I am not a radical feminist, I'm not politically correct, and I've never had an instance where I asked for any protection in my own life because I was female. I have worked in male dominated fields for my whole adult life and I have never been treated badly--in part because I'm lucky and in part because the men I work with are decent guys. Maybe in part because there are rules protecting me that I don't even think about. I hope that all the young women and girls of this board are as lucky as me. I suspect that a lot of you won't be--especially if you plan on having children. This wasn't about me. I truly have thick skin and don't give a damn about what some impotent bully on a message board calls me.

I didn't join a message board for Christians because (1) I am not a Christian and (2) I am a rabid Beastie Boys fan. The vast majority of people who come here come to learn about the band. It's how we all started. A small group of people have started a social community with all of the joys and disfunction you see in any community. I am a person with a lot of really good friends and I don't need to get approval here. But I love music more than I have ever been able to explain to my friends in my real life. I have enjoyed hearing from people who have a similar obsession and who at least know what I'm talking about. I don't care whether people like the same music--it's fun to see people with the same passion, even if I disagree with their choices.

There are different kinds of people in this world. I was wired a certain way and I'm too old to change that. Most people see a problem and turn away. If I hear someone making a racial slur, I tell that person why I found it offensive. If I see a customer picking on a cashier, I say something to the customer. I know that it's not the choice most people make, but it's funny how I've found friends who are a lot like me. I don't tattle and I don't sit home and stew about things. I say what I think in public. I did that last night.

I suspect that most of you think you are liberal. You express that in how you dress, carry yourself, the music you listen to, etc. But you don't want to be politically correct. If you're a man, you either don't see a problem or you're too worried about looking cool to say anything. (It takes a really terrific white guy to stand up and be counted--again, thank goodness I know a ton of them.) If you're a woman, maybe you're too worried about looking like you can take a joke, worrying about whether guys will think you're too feminist, you can't imagine you will ever have a problem once you leave school, or you have seen what happens to other women who speak up and you're afraid. I'm not talking about feminist shit here. It's just people standing up for what they think is right and doing it in an articulate way that doesn't demean people. If you're a liberal, you care about helping those who have less power than you do. I imagine that most people will espouse their beliefs in the abstract, but won't do anything to help someone right in front of them. I know that I'm a big sap and I know that this won't reach any of you, but that's kind of where I'm coming from. The end.

Oh, and thanks to everyone who has contacted me privately. Frankly, I'm sorry that you won't speak up in public -- especially the men. But I don't blame you.

KingPsyz

04-19-2005, 07:28 PM

this is getting a little heavy handed, i know i need to watch myself lest i be banned again.
but it has always been the way of this board playful ribbing and such won't hurt anyone past some text on a monitor.

if you're that thin skinned you shouldn't have internet access as it's a big scary interwebnet and we'd hate for you to pee yourself and short out your mom's e-machine.

i can understand threats of phyisical violence, even banning those that post porn. but seriously if name calling is cause for bannination shut the whole fucker down cause everyone on this bitch is guilty.

KingPsyz

04-19-2005, 07:37 PM

and by the way anyone willing to write a rant that long at justifing the banning of a long time member needs to go outside more, you take this place far too seriously.

you know that's the great thing about the interwebnet, different cultures colliding at high speed. just so happens that cunt is a perfectly good swear word in damaja's. because you're american though and are offended by such language and think it's part of some larger conspiracy against females then of course that makes you right and damaja wrong. that's what us american's do nowadays, press our culture and beliefs on everyone else because it's the right and moral way to do things. how else would we be NUMBER ONE USA WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

you know last i checked they have this awesome feature here that nearly no other board i have ever been to contains, the handy dandy ignore feature. learn it, love it, live it.[/rant]

Documad

04-19-2005, 07:43 PM

OK, I am going out on a line to say that I agree with everything that you have said. The problem stems from a group of people that find it acceptable to talk like this to one another and a group of people who feel that it is not. With the rules written as they are in the FAQ, it would seem that the people that do not want to talk to one another like this are correct. So, the rules need to be revamped to accurately reflect the rules here.

It is impossible to keep you guys from being rude fuckers to each other and my suggestion is that Beasite Free become unmoderated completely, but keep the standards of the FAQ in tact everywhere else. A warning can be posted on the Beastie Free forum that tells people to enter at their own risk and that we are not watching over it (other than direct nasty shit towards the band or the people that run this site or if they are selling something). We did that at Foo and it works fine. People know the rules and they follow them. I can yell at people for being assholes in the regular band forum and ignore the high school shit that occurs in the non-moderated forum.

Best thing we ever did.

That's my suggestion. Before you guys get all out of control, please let minton and tpk have a moment to figure out what they are going to do.

Thanks.
Well, this happened in the admin forum, which was my point in the beginning.

People here don't think that no rules are cool. They don't like repetitive threads, threads from kids, etc. You enforce lots of rules. I just asked what they are.

I can't for a minute believe that if a black person posted a genuine question and someone replied with a racial slur it would be cool. When someone even gets close to something that's a racial or ethnic slur, about 30 people will pile on and self police, so you don't have to. I honestly didn't think this one was even close -- because this was clearly not ribbing a buddy, and it wasn't done because she started something -- it was intended to intimidate the poster and anyone who agreed with her.

KingPsyz

04-19-2005, 07:49 PM

KingPsyz

04-19-2005, 08:04 PM

yes because "fuck you cunt" is equal to a personal threat on someone's saftey.

ever since the new record this board has been quite homoginized which is funny when the admin's curse in the FAQs, the band has a song called hey fuck you, and no body ever gave two shits before what name someone called them as long as it wasn't racial.

Documad

04-19-2005, 08:05 PM

again, if you find words on a monitor intimidating shut your internet connection down and smash your monitor.
you're not ready for the internet.

and frankly i think it's fuckin retarded that you feel it's your duty to speak for someone else, again very american of you.
I think it should be clear that it's a long way from intimidating for me. I don't expect you to read my long-ass post.

But there are a lot of people who are intimidated. Many of them have already left. I'm sorry about that because I'd like to hear from more than the 30 or so people who live here and run the place (most of whom I think are funny, smart, and cool).

You couldn't have me more wrong, by the way, but I realize you haven't been back long. I'm the biggest opponent of the kind of Americanism you're talking about that you'll find. And I actively work against it on a regular basis instead of just posting about it. Sorry, that's really the end.

KingPsyz

04-19-2005, 08:21 PM

veiled insults at my political views won't gain you any cred with me, and if you can't see the conotations of you speaking out on this travesty as it were as being you thinking they need to speak for someone else as if the other party can't help themselves being very much the international approach that america has taken of late, then i don't know what to tell you.

DipDipDive

04-19-2005, 08:37 PM

I find it amazing that a bunch of people are trying to protect their right to say "fuck you, cunt". You seriously need to get a life, or a reality check - you know damn well that you'd be banned in a second if you said this to Daisy, minton, or anyone else who works for the board, and that's why you don't do it. What you're fighting for is your right to be nasty and abusive to people who don't agree with you. What happened, it got you fired or beaten up in the 'real world', so you need to resort to doing it on the internet? "Fuck off cunt" is not genial ribbing, nor was it ever intended as such - don't be ridiculous. People who need to resort to this lack the wit or intelligence to think of anything more interesting.

But on that token, you could also argue that damaja was banned because the person who was called a cunt disagreed with his opinion that she was a cunt, so she cried to the admins and had him banned. You can't get away with that kind of business in the real world, either. It's not like you have a banning option for everyone in life who is mean to you or doesn't like you. And 'round and 'round we go...

BSTEGRL

04-19-2005, 08:50 PM

you thinking they need to speak for someone else as if the other party can't help themselves

Ok, I'm assuming that the "party" you say she is speaking for is me...
Well, for your information, she isn't speaking for me. All I see here doing is stating the facts of the original thread and what happend. I have no idea what mean about the "American" thing, and frankly think its another can of worms that needs not be opened.

As for my original thread....I posted it out of concern because the avatar was what I consider to be crossing the "pornographic" line. I may have posted it in a "meek" way so as not to ruffle any feathers, but that was only because I wasn't sure what I was dealing with. I didn't know if it was allowed and was expecting too much out of these boards....in which case I would have come to the conclusion that this isn't the place I want to be. I think I clearly stated my opinion and wanted an admins. Minton appearantely agreed that the avatar was worth deleting, and did so....

DipDipDive

04-19-2005, 08:51 PM

Why would you, who seem to have the occasional interesting thing to say, be interested in keeping the board at that level of discourse?

Because I don't take this place seriously enough to be offended or even to care.

I don't remember ever saying that damaja made a valuable contribution to the board. I don't really think there is such a thing because everyone's opinion of what is interesting, funny, or lame is different. I've been everything from praised to called an ignorant asshole on this board. I appreciate the praise, but I'm capable of brushing off the insults and retarded behavior because... Well... It's the goddamn internet.

KingPsyz

04-19-2005, 08:55 PM

Ok, I'm assuming that the "party" you say she is speaking for is me...
Well, for your information, she isn't speaking for me. All I see here doing is stating the facts of the original thread and what happend. I have no idea what mean about the "American" thing, and frankly think its another can of worms that needs not be opened.

As for my original thread....I posted it out of concern because the avatar was what I consider to be crossing the "pornographic" line. I may have posted it in a "meek" way so as not to ruffle any feathers, but that was only because I wasn't sure what I was dealing with. I didn't know if it was allowed and was expecting too much out of these boards....in which case I would have come to the conclusion that this isn't the place I want to be. I think I clearly stated my opinion and wanted an admins. Minton appearantely agreed that the avatar was worth deleting, and did so....
see the smart ones here would just put this taint character on ignore and if you were really all that broken up about it send minton or tpk a PM. you make a public post you get a public response. if you don't agree with the response oh well, go ask the republican senate how that one goes, they know all about it.

DipDipDive

04-19-2005, 08:56 PM

You obviously take it seriously enough to defend this vitally important "name-calling", without which I'm sure the board would just be a terrible, uninteresting place, so yeah, I'd say you take it pretty seriously.

Uh huh. Sure. Boobs. LOL.

BSTEGRL

04-19-2005, 08:58 PM

But on that token, you could also argue that damaja was banned because the person who was called a cunt disagreed with his opinion that she was a cunt, so she cried to the admins and had him banned. You can't get away with that kind of business in the real world, either. It's not like you have a banning option for everyone in life who is mean to you or doesn't like you. And 'round and 'round we go...

Thats cute and all, and I don't expect much out in the "real world" from people who feel free the call people whatever they want....and there was no crying over being called a "cunt" to the admins...as a matter of fact, I didn't even know Damaja was banned until this thread.

The problem I have is that this is a site dedicated to, funded by, a threesome that adamantly promotes tolerance, gender equality, etc.......and if we can regulate the "spammers" and the "repeat posts", then there should be regulations on intolerance, sexism, etc. Damaja'c comment may seem insignificant to those that don't see the big picture...but to me, its one account that reflects a continuous problem here.

RaZoRbLaDe KiSs

04-19-2005, 09:02 PM

The problem I have is that this is a site dedicated to, funded by, a threesome that adamantly promotes tolerance, gender equality, etc.......

its one account that reflects a continuous problem here.

Amen to that.
It's about time that the trash gets taken out on this messege board.

BSTEGRL

04-19-2005, 09:05 PM

see the smart ones here would just put this taint character on ignore and if you were really all that broken up about it send minton or tpk a PM. you make a public post you get a public response. if you don't agree with the response oh well, go ask the republican senate how that one goes, they know all about it.

I'm not concerned with the public response, it doesn't bother me. However, I think its funny you judge my public response to "Adrock's Taint"s avatar. I don't think that its smart to "ignore" something that bothers me. My line of thinking is quite the opposite actually. But, if you think the way I chose to address the avatar is "stupid" fine....just like you think calling someone a "cunt" is fine. Whatever. I just didn't think that crossing the pornographic line is appropriate unless its an "adult" site. If you can't see the logic in that, then I don't know what to tell you.

ToucanSpam

04-19-2005, 09:05 PM

WhoMoi?

04-19-2005, 09:25 PM

Personally, everybody needs a mad cooling out. It's just letters randomly typed up.

Would you say that about a racial slur someone typed out?
If not, then I don't think that should be said about something offensive to women that someone typed up. And they're certainly not "randomly" typed up!
When I read the thread, it didn't seem to me like those words were used in a joking manner; it seemed to be used aggressively, in my opinion. I cringe at the "c" word, but I understand some women don't, and if it's used jokingly amongst people who don't mind it I don't have a problem with it. But as I said, that wasn't the case here.

BSTEGRL

04-19-2005, 09:25 PM

This board needs flavor. What kind is determined by the administrators of this website. Damaja being gone does suck, but the root of the problem isnt him, or any specific person. It's the people who have the lack of ability to pick up on joking, and the peolple who take the board too seriously.

Personally, everybody needs a mad cooling out. It's just letters randomly typed up. That being said, let's all try ot find a happy medium between boerderline abuse and total cleasning of this flavor.

I appreciate your trying to get everybody to get along...but I can't agree with your view on the "real problem". First off, if its just random words being typed then why is it so hard for people to control their fingers and respect others? I do agree that Damaja isn't the root of the problem....and like I said before...I didn't ask him to be banned. I feel the root of the problem is, because of what you call the "joking"....many people have left the boards. I don't think that its right for anyone to not feel welcome......I don't think anyone here should have to put up with "abuse" because they like a band and want to participate in the forums.

I can joke with the best of them, but lets face it...some things are taken much differently in person then in written/typed word, and its our responsibility to make the judgement of whats appropriate and whats not.

BSTEGRL

04-19-2005, 09:31 PM

When I read the thread, it didn't seem to me like those words were used in a joking manner; it seemed to be used aggressively, in my opinion. I cringe at the "c" word, but I understand some women don't, and if it's used jokingly amongst people who don't mind it I don't have a problem with it. But as I said, that wasn't the case here.

I agree. It is my belief that it was used aggressively, which is the part of point Documad was trying to make.

ToucanSpam

04-19-2005, 09:38 PM

Alright fair enough that some things should not be tolerated, but that's why I specifically said 'HAPPY MEDIUM'.

As for the random typing, as radical as it sounds, if someone said a racial slur:

1) yes it should be dealt with
2) 33 responces of OMG WTF BBQ is unessecary
3) the admin arent ass pirates, they will deal with it
4) it is ok to be angered by it, but responding to it is uneccesary. There is a psychological tactic known as 'enabling', which is used by people branded as 'attention whores'. All you gotta do is ignore the people, and they will go away.

OK, I hope I responded to everything.....yeah, if I did it I am sure someone will bring it up.

RaZoRbLaDe KiSs

04-19-2005, 09:47 PM

1) yes it should be dealt with
2) 33 responces of OMG WTF BBQ is unessecary
3) the admin arent ass pirates, they will deal with it
4) it is ok to be angered by it, but responding to it is uneccesary. There is a psychological tactic known as 'enabling', which is used by people branded as 'attention whores'. All you gotta do is ignore the people, and they will go away.

1) and 3) I think the problem was delt with very appropraitley, there is no room for that type of Vulgar cruelness on this board. Damaja deserved to be banned, and I hope he never comes back. Im sure Yauch and the boys would have a shit fit if they read that, and Yauch would probably take it into his own hands and ban him himself.
2) I dont recall any "OMG WTF" responses. I think Bstegrl and Documad delt with the situation like Mature and calm adults even though they had every reason to freak.
4) I think you know as well as I do that the attention whores dont go away, unless you MAKE them go away.
If that were the matter the sure shots section and half of the threads in the BF section wouldnt exist. (No offense)

BSTEGRL

04-19-2005, 09:56 PM

Alright fair enough that some things should not be tolerated, but that's why I specifically said 'HAPPY MEDIUM'.

As for the random typing, as radical as it sounds, if someone said a racial slur...

4) it is ok to be angered by it, but responding to it is uneccesary. There is a psychological tactic known as 'enabling', which is used by people branded as 'attention whores'. All you gotta do is ignore the people, and they will go away.

OK, I hope I responded to everything.....yeah, if I did it I am sure someone will bring it up.

As from what I understand this situation is being dealt with and there is going to be some kind of "happy medium". I agree with Daisy, that if people want to roam in BF and say whatever they want, and there is a disclaimer, then great! I just don't think that something with the Beastie Boys name all over it should represent all they try so hard to fight, and that if there are rules (check the FAQ) then they should be enforced.

Now, let me try to follow your logic. If something angers me, then I should ignore it until it goes away? I'm sorry, but I that solves nothing...and if its true, then someone should have warned the Beastie Boys before they said all those things about the Pres.

Do you know how long I've tried to ignore it? Others have tried and gotten tired and feel they have no choice but to leave the boards completely. Thats not fair.

If they are attention whores...so be it. I only felt its my responsibility to clear up my side of what I appearantely "started".

Laver1969

04-19-2005, 10:02 PM

The problem I have is that this is a site dedicated to, funded by, a threesome that adamantly promotes tolerance, gender equality, etc.......and if we can regulate the "spammers" and the "repeat posts", then there should be regulations on intolerance, sexism, etc. Damaja'c comment may seem insignificant to those that don't see the big picture...but to me, its one account that reflects a continuous problem here.

I'll second Kristen's Amen. This is very well said.

cosmo105

04-19-2005, 10:07 PM

The problem I have is that this is a site dedicated to, funded by, a threesome that adamantly promotes tolerance, gender equality, etc.
just to say, beastie-free has nothing to do with any of that. the actual beastie boys have nothing to do with any of this argument, and bringing them into it doesn't make much sense.

Laver1969

04-19-2005, 10:16 PM

just to say, beastie-free has nothing to do with any of that. the actual beastie boys have nothing to do with any of this argument, and bringing them into it doesn't make much sense.

I think the point she was making is that BF is still under the www.beastieboys.com umbrella.

avignon

04-19-2005, 10:20 PM

I am disappointed to see that damaja was banned. I think it was all blown way out of proportion. I read the thread last night and thought that his first post was just his way of being ironic. I honestly thought that he was making a statement about what is allowed on this board as a response to her question. He has never been disrespectful to me on this board and the only time I saw him ribbing anyone, they were doing it right back to him. I understand the things that Documad was saying in this thread, but I just don't feel that they applied to him in this case. I think he started out being ironic and then felt the need to defend himself.
And about using the word "cunt", well, other similar things are said without nearly as much shock and offense. Like "dick" or "prick". Some things are acceptible and some are not even when they have the same intent. The native american word "squaw" has the same conotations and defintion as the word "cunt" yet there are places in america named Squaw Whatever.
I have the opinion that there are certain people on this board who could pretty much say whatever they wanted and nothing would happen to them. I have seen a few people absolutely pick people apart here without using a single four letter word. The intent and the result is the same-to intimidate and ridicule. But that kind of abuse is acceptible because no one can spot any dirty words or name calling.
Also, the racial thing is relative too. I have been offended by racially derrogatory comments about my own race on this board, though not directed personally to me, but no one else really notices stuff like that. I just think that everyone is getting a little too worked up about all of the "abuse". I mean, for the most part when I see someone getting ripped, I also see many people standing up for that person-and when it's over, no one is banned, they all just move on. In the really real world you couldn't possibly remove everyone you don't like. You just deal.

BSTEGRL

04-19-2005, 10:26 PM

just to say, beastie-free has nothing to do with any of that. the actual beastie boys have nothing to do with any of this argument, and bringing them into it doesn't make much sense.

I'm confused. The Beastie Boys have nothing to do with this argument? Are you talking about in relation to Beastie Free?

cosmo105

04-19-2005, 10:29 PM

abuse is hard to define, but i don't think simply calling someone a name a few times constitutes it. i'd say, starting threads about that person, attacking that person continuously, threatening/annoying PMs...posts that are obviously meant with mean, malicious intent behind them...because really, we all poke fun at each other on BF, and most of it is good-natured. some of it is not. however, none of us take much of it seriously. it's difficult to set a standard for vulgarity, so i don't think we should start with any one word. it's not just about words, it's more about intent.

and yeah, damaja was a dick. he liked to act tough on the internet, like so many lunkheads on here do. but he was also terrified of women, so it all evens out (y)

cosmo105

04-19-2005, 10:29 PM

I'm confused. The Beastie Boys have nothing to do with this argument? Are you talking about in relation to Beastie Free?
uh, yeah, that's basically what i said.

avignon

04-19-2005, 10:36 PM

cosmo105

04-19-2005, 10:38 PM

hahaha. good point. yeah, the only people that should really be banned are the ones that are asking for it - spammers, those who come here just to start static.

BSTEGRL

04-19-2005, 10:40 PM

My question to you is...
if you were offended then why didn't you say something and possibly stop it from happening again, so that you didn't have to "just deal"?

I don't want to just "deal" when clearly something can be done. No, we don't have the option to ban people in real life, or delete the offensive things they say....but we do here. (I'm not saying I agree with Damaja being banned, and again, I had nothing to do with it) Doing nothing accomplishes nothing.

I'm not going to go over everything again because I think I've made my point very clear.

Besides, Daisy has said that the moderators are developing some plan of action for a "happy medium", so there may not be any further problem. Lets just wait it out and see what happens.

I have been offended by racially derrogatory comments about my own race on this board, though not directed personally to me, but no one else really notices stuff like that. I just think that everyone is getting a little too worked up about all of the "abuse". I mean, for the most part when I see someone getting ripped, I also see many people standing up for that person-and when it's over, no one is banned, they all just move on. In the really real world you couldn't possibly remove everyone you don't like. You just deal.

cosmo105

04-19-2005, 10:41 PM

it's an internet messageboard open to everyone. you're not going to like everything you read.

avignon

04-19-2005, 10:47 PM

My question to you is...
if you were offended then why didn't you say something and possibly stop it from happening again, so that you didn't have to "just deal"?

I don't want to just "deal" when clearly something can be done. No, we don't have the option to ban people in real life, or delete the offensive things they say....but we do here. (I'm not saying I agree with Damaja being banned, and again, I had nothing to do with it) Doing nothing accomplishes nothing.

I'm not going to go over everything again because I think I've made my point very clear.

Besides, Daisy has said that the moderators are developing some plan of action for a "happy medium", so there may not be any further problem. Lets just wait it out and see what happens.
I wouldn't report someone for saying something to me that I didn't like because how is my opinion more important than theirs? I don't feel that I am special and deserve to have people banned because in my opinion something they said was wrong. That is most likely not everyone's opinion. And they cannot hurt me by typing things on a message board. I have the right to respond to them when I am offended by something that they say, and if I feel strongly about it I will.

avignon

04-19-2005, 10:48 PM

it's an internet messageboard open to everyone. you're not going to like everything you read.
Exactly. And how boring would it be if you did?

BSTEGRL

04-19-2005, 10:51 PM

uh, yeah, that's basically what i said.
Ok. I didn't know what you meant. I was going to have to start up on how they are relative to the argument as a whole.....but, now that I know what you mean I can leave it alone. I agree with you there.

it's not just about words, it's more about intent.
I don't know why you don't get that from what I've posted. I've made it clear that its not about "bad words"....like I said, I use them too. Its not about the word "cunt". Its the context.....
it's an internet messageboard open to everyone. you're not going to like everything you read.
You're repeating yourself...

...and I am too. I'm done. All you need to know about my side of the issue is in my previous posts.

BSTEGRL

04-19-2005, 10:55 PM

I wouldn't report someone for saying something to me that I didn't like because how is my opinion more important than theirs? I don't feel that I am special and deserve to have people banned because in my opinion something they said was wrong. That is most likely not everyone's opinion. And they cannot hurt me by typing things on a message board. I have the right to respond to them when I am offended by something that they say, and if I feel strongly about it I will.

I'm sorry that you don't feel that special, you are worth more than having someone trash you. Who cares about everyone else's opinion....?

I didn't report Damaja, I reported the avatar.

What Damaja said didn't hurt my feelings, theres the bigger issue that you apparently dont get...

The End

cosmo105

04-19-2005, 10:58 PM

I don't know why you don't get that from what I've posted. I've made it clear that its not about "bad words"....like I said, I use them too. Its not about the word "cunt". Its the context.....
i wasn't talking to you about that.

avignon

04-19-2005, 11:04 PM

I'm sorry that you don't feel that special, you are worth more than having someone trash you. Who cares about everyone else's opinion....?

I didn't report Damaja, I reported the avatar.

What Damaja said didn't hurt my feelings, theres the bigger issue that you apparently dont get...

The End
I absolutely do get the bigger issue. My reply was about what you said about why I don't report everything that I don't like. First of all, I never said that someone trashed me. In the first post I made that you were originally asking me about, I said that there were things said that I found offensive even though they weren't said directly to me. but I don't think that I am more special than anyone else. I don't think that my opinion of what is offensive things to say should come before anyone else's right to speak their mind. I care about everyone's right to express their own opinions no matter if I agree with them or not.

Documad

04-19-2005, 11:13 PM

just to say, beastie-free has nothing to do with any of that. the actual beastie boys have nothing to do with any of this argument, and bringing them into it doesn't make much sense.
Do you understand that this didn't happen in Beastie Free? Anyhow, I don't see why they're irrelevant on the Beastie Boys message board. The most common comment I've heard privately is disappointment that the band's message board would allow this.

Beastie Free has nothing to do with this. BSTEGRL came into the admin forum -- right here -- and asked the admins an honest question. She wasn't playing around in BF. The first response was Damaja's "fuck you, cunt", then she was mocked by another board member, Daisy brushed off Damaja's comment with a cute remark (I can't remember what) and Minton answered her question as if nothing happened at all. I thought it was all pretty off the charts. Not a gray area. Everyone except maybe Avignon seems to be saying that only racial slurs are bad. That's interesting but puzzling.

My first post: I didn't call Damaja out and I didn't ask anyone to do anything. I simply noted that it was surprising that BSTEGRL was abused for stating her opinion. I addressed it in general, to everyone who had posted before me. I didn't quote Damaja, I didn't use the word "cunt". He decided to take me on and there was no reason to do so.

If Damaja thought he was playing around at first, he had to know better by his second post, or his third, or fourth. Again though, my point last night was not about him, even though he kept after me. I don't care what he says about me. It wasn't about a swear word, or being offensive, or off-color. I didn't like the idea of younger people hear seeing a man do that to a woman and thinking it's okay. Throughout the exchange, I didn't retaliate and didn't say whoa is me I'm a woman being attacked. I asked several times what the rules are. Because if that wasn't abuse, I couldn't imagine what was.

Again, given what Minton saw I don't think he really had a choice here, but I'm also guessing that Minton considered other things than what was in the thread. People who aren't your friends have been banned for all kinds of irritating things that didn't rise to this level and people didn't get their undies in a bunch over it.

I think a few people here who have a lot of friends are relatively exempt from abuse. Yes, there are some people who stir shit up on purpose, but people naturally protect their friends. And then they tattle on the ones who aren't their friends. I don't think that people should be treated better just because they are older, have more posts, or joined the board before 2003.

I think that a no rules BF would be interesting. (I don't see why the admins would be protected, but I could live with that.) :) I would enjoy responding with a "fuck you" to a lot of what's said and telling a lot of people exactly what I think of them. I agree with wints that the level of discourse will decline further, but who are we kidding, there's not much to lose, is there?

P.S. I've only tattled on the crazy people who post 30 times in a hour, and I stopped doing that because I figured everyone else did. I say shit in public. I'm guessing that a lot of you wished I would just tattle instead.

avignon

04-19-2005, 11:28 PM

"Fuck you , cunt" is not an opinion. Whether it is acceptible to say that is an opinion. Everyone keeps talking about the intent behind those words, but admit that a person can be abused and humiliated and intimidated and ridiculed without using those words or any other "swear" words or name-calling. And that kind of abuse has never resulted in a person getting banned.

As far as damaja is concerned, I wouldn't martyr him. I said that if he was joking at first, I think that he began to try to defend himself afterwards. But I can only base that on what I interpretted in his posts and the personal opinion I have of him based on my own encounters with him. I don't know what was in his mind.

And if what I said was puzzling, I don't see how. I only meant that I could take some remark that a person made with complete innocent intentions and find an offense to it. People are faced with that kind of thing every day. I wouldn't want someone else's opinion forced on me, and I don't think I have the right to force my opinions on anyone else. It's not that I promote racism. :rolleyes: But I think people just see things differently and part of tolerance is dealing with people who do not agree with you.

Documad

04-19-2005, 11:43 PM

And if what I said was puzzling, I don't see how. I only meant that I could take some remark that a person made with complete innocent intentions and find an offense to it. People are faced with that kind of thing every day. I wouldn't want someone else's opinion forced on me, and I don't think I have the right to force my opinions on anyone else. It's not that I promote racism. :rolleyes: But I think people just see things differently and part of tolerance is dealing with people who do not agree with you.
Yeah, I wrote that badly. I am puzzled that other people have indicated that anything except racist statements are fine. I've never called anyone on a racist statement here because by the time I see one, 30 people have already done it for me. It's not surprising that racism isn't cool on this board. It's surprising to a lot of us that there's a debate about whether what happened here is appropriate under these circumstances. (I can't think when it would be appropriate but I've got stupid shit I say with my close friends that would surprise outsiders.)

I meant that you seemed to be advocating for one standard of sorts, and not separating race out. I probably misunderstood.

I'm getting excited for a new BF forum where when someone posts something stupid about their personal problems you can just lay into them. I'll have a reason to read something besides music and movie threads I guess.

Good night all. I've enjoyed the discussion. I'm glad it was civilized. We will have to see what happens if more men chime in. (Kudos to Laver for having the guts!)

Carry on.

avignon

04-19-2005, 11:45 PM

I wasn't aware of the Britain thingy, or yeah, I guess I would have something to say about that too. Once again, I think I pretty much agree with you, wints about the big issues and the rest is just semantics. I was just commenting on what is abuse exactly and by what standard is that to be judged? I suppose I am just looking at the whole thing from how I would react and have reacted to name calling and stuff. It is just easy for me to shrug off. I suppose it is not the same for everyone. Most of the time when someone talks to me in a way that I don't like, I take it up with them in a pm and have always managed to work it out that way.

Documad

04-19-2005, 11:47 PM

I'm told that minton chastised someone today for saying that "Britain is a peace (sic) of shit." Funny how no one is up in arms over that, much as it is, in fact, an opinion, illiterate as it may seem.
Okay, but that was apparently because a frequent poster (and lover of Britain) tattled. :D And a bunch of other guys called out the poster besides. :D

avignon

04-19-2005, 11:53 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we're in agreement too. I think it's great that you've been able to deal with people in that way, but it's not always possible, and I'm not sure it's up to individual members here to defend themselves. I'm amazed that people seem to be incapable of treating one another with the basic level of respect that most of us learn in childhood, but since that seems to be the case here, I think there is a need for the kind of guidelines that exist in the FAQ.
That is strange to me that that amazes you. It doesn't surprise me at all. To me it just mirrors the real world. Sad, but true.

avignon

04-20-2005, 12:00 AM

That is sad! Believe it or not, I'm able to negotiate my entire day without hearing "Fuck you, cunt." My teenage students sometimes can't resist using the new English curse words they've learned, but even they know the situations in which this kind of language is socially acceptable. Wow. I'm glad I don't live where you do! :(
Hahahahaha! No, no, no! I only mean that it doesn't surprise me that people don't treat each other with any level of respect that they learned in childhood. Because of the work I do, I unfortunately deal with people at their absolute worst moments. I don't get called a cunt every day! Seriously! It's been at least a week! ;)

avignon

04-20-2005, 12:03 AM

Well, I'm glad to hear it! :)
Yeah, most days I'm more of a twat anyway. :D

Documad

04-20-2005, 12:07 AM

That is sad! Believe it or not, I'm able to negotiate my entire day without hearing "Fuck you, cunt." My teenage students sometimes can't resist using the new English curse words they've learned, but even they know the situations in which this kind of language is socially acceptable. Wow. I'm glad I don't live where you do! :(
I was going to say the same thing. I have had my life threatened and been called every name in the book, but it used to go along with my job. I haven't been called a cunt for about 10 years though and like I said, that guy was going to spend the rest of his life in prison so it was more funny than anything.

But everyone here is fine with taking abuse on a casual/social basis! I'm thinking that a lot of people on this board really need a new environment! Get some new friends!

Good night for real!

BSTEGRL

04-20-2005, 12:15 AM

I absolutely do get the bigger issue. My reply was about what you said about why I don't report everything that I don't like. First of all, I never said that someone trashed me. In the first post I made that you were originally asking me about, I said that there were things said that I found offensive even though they weren't said directly to me. but I don't think that I am more special than anyone else. I don't think that my opinion of what is offensive things to say should come before anyone else's right to speak their mind. I care about everyone's right to express their own opinions no matter if I agree with them or not.

Even though I said I'm done, I feel this is worth responding to. I'm glad you get the big picture. Maybe because it was getting late and I'd grown tired of responding for hours....but, I didn't mean to put words into your mouth by saying you were "trashed". I understood what you meant and I just used the wrong words in replying. Anyway...

I also care about everyones' rights to express their own opinions even though I may not agree with them.

P.S I'm gald to see this thread become a little "lighter"...

Good night everyone!

roosta

04-20-2005, 02:27 AM

minton

04-20-2005, 03:06 AM

For the record, the thread originally referred to was deleted as part of damaja's banning. That's correct. As for the banning itself, that went down like this: I discussed his behaviour privately with him in an attempt to sort this issue out. He chose not to co-operate and abide by the rules I set out to him, so I banned him at that point. I would have banned him instantly without discussing it with him under normal circumstances, but I was unable to given his dynamic IP address. It was only when something could be worked out with his IP setup that I could effectively ban him and each of his associated accounts from the BBS.

As for the great "solution" to this these problems many of you are after - there is no great solution. Calm down. All we need is for each and every user here to show a little respect for one another. Use your judgement for as to what you think that means. If we think that you're out of line with your behaviour, as was the case with damaja, then we'll remove you from the community. It's as simple as that.

If you feel that we've missed out on a post/thread where someone may have said something that is a little off, then please send either TPK or myself a PM or use the "report post" function and we'll look into it/deal with it. We typically deal with reported posts within 12 hours of the report being received, so you're bound to get a quick response. This seems reasonable I hope - it's hard to regulate every post that is made on this BBS - and hence it is hard to pick up on each and every problem immediately.

Finally, the rules in the FAQ have been amended. The rules as they stand now are not overly specific, but rather just set out a few key points with the rest to be worked out as we go along. I think that's best. It becomes hard to deal with issues such as these with black letter law, so we're probably better off having wide guidelines within which to work and using discretion from there on in to work things out.

Anyway, I'm going to go and get some dinner now. Schnitzel, rice and vegetables. Word.

venusvenus123

04-20-2005, 04:08 AM

wow. and this place used to be such fun.

with damaja gone, there really is little point in coming here anymore. he was one of the few funny brits left. he used to be so mean to me about being old. i just gave him as good as i got. i mean seriously, how can you be rude to someone just for being born in a certain year? it's surreal.

i once told dusty his mother should have aborted him in a thread a couple of years back. guess what, i was joking... i love him, but i was pissed off with him for making jokes about abortion.

sometimes i call my best friend a cunt and she calls me a cunt. it's a joke and it's a funny word. damaja was joking. he was aiming to shock an obviously very shockable person. bstgirl 10001 should have just said "shut up arsehole" and left it at that. if you allow men (or boys) to intimidate you by using a word then you let them win. i think that's pretty sad. and anyway, as cosmo said, damaja is terrified of women.

by the way, the three men behind this site have something that a lot of people in this thread are distinctly lacking in: a sense of humour.

there's an old culture of mutual abuse on this board that the newbies, post 2003 or so, just don't get. damaja was part of that culture and it seems that a few people just took him too seriously. the board culture changed, but he didn't.

Freebasser

04-20-2005, 06:47 AM

what a kerfuffle over a four-letter word.

damaja was clearly talking through his bum-bum. he made a random, silly, funny response which should have been laughed at by some, ignored by others. and now he's banned and he was one of the funniest people on here.

Amen.

I spoke to Documad in a PM just now and I said that if it were spelled "bunt" it would be a completely different word. That's all it is - a silly four letter word just like fuck or piss or shit or cock etc.

And you know what else? CUNT IS A CELTIC WORD FOR VAGINA, so how, prey tell, is that a rude word/swear word? And you know who taught me that bit of information, and told me it was just a good old-fashioned British/Irish word and something to be proud of? My MOTHER.

What's the German word for vagina? What's the French word for vagina? Are they considered swear-words?

If Alex is going to be banned for posting the word cunt, then you can ban me too, because I've used that word many a time. It's just a Celtic swear word, and if you don't like it then just ignore it for fuck's sake.

minton

04-20-2005, 06:59 AM

Amen.
If Alex is going to be banned for posting the word cunt, then you can ban me too, because I've used that word many a time. It's just a Celtic swear word, and if you don't like it then just ignore it for fuck's sake.

He wasn't actually banned for his choice in language, let's not miss the point here. You're missing the point. Let's not do that. No more missing of the point, please. We've had enough people missing the point in this thread and other similar discussions, inlcuding the in the PMs and emails which fill my inbox every day. Do we need to make it a rule that people are not allowed to get carried away, miss the underlying point and make irrational observations in any given discussion?

He was banned for repeatedly making abusive comments for no apparent reason to various members and not giving it up when asked to by me.

Anyway, I'll leave you guys to it. You can discuss the pros and cons of swearing, the origins of words and undertake linguistic analysis on how various words including, but not limited to, obscenities are pronounced in different regions of the world if you wish to do so. That's fine by me. I don't care.

I'm going to get a coffee now. Latte? Word.

Freebasser

04-20-2005, 07:04 AM

He was banned for repeatedly making abusive comments for no apparent reason to various members and not giving it up when asked to by me.

I can understand that. Just try and remember though, that he often chooses to use that word in his whole "pretend angry" act he's got going on.

He probably saw it as some big joke, but I can see where you're coming from Minton, so I'll leave this be.

tpk

04-20-2005, 08:05 AM

oy!

okay i'm gonna have to look into all this.

we can't ban people for name calling obviously. we try to stick to banning people only if they're offending someone personally. a user that use foul language constantly with no true point to it, need to be straightened out as it will offend some people.

but like i said, we're going to have to look into this and set everything straight. i hate to see people get banned for name calling and stupid things like that.

Laver1969

04-20-2005, 08:15 AM

All we need is for each and every user here to show a little respect for one another. Use your judgement for as to what you think that means. If we think that you're out of line with your behaviour, as was the case with damaja, then we'll remove you from the community. It's as simple as that.

I guess people come here for different reasons.

What the real deal why you can't connect
Why you hating people that you never met
Didn't your mama teach you to show some respect?
Why not open your mind for a sec?

DandyFop

04-20-2005, 09:48 AM

and by the way anyone willing to write a rant that long at justifing the banning of a long time member needs to go outside more, you take this place far too seriously.

I would rather read an intelligent thought-provoking rant than some of the other bullshit on here.

I don't have time to sort through every piece of hullabaloo on this thread but I will say, I like damaja and I like Documad and this is some of the most interesting debate/conversation I've seen in a long time.

KingPsyz

04-20-2005, 10:23 AM

I have decided there are a lot of over sensitive cunts on this message board, i'll be sure to avoid them at all costs from this point forward (and that's not a gender specific insult for those that are under the illusion that this board has some sort of secret gender war going on).

hellojello

04-20-2005, 11:37 AM

Someone already said this no doubts but I’ll add my two cents anyways. This isn't really directed towards the admins but rather documads essay on the use of the word cunt and abuse on this message board.

a) Damaja was a dick but he didn't deserve to be banned. There are lots of dicks on this board.

b) I’m a female and I use to word cunt all the time directed towards males AND females. Being a female I don't find it a derogatory term towards women rather a derogatory term in general. I think women that think it's a derogatory term towards them (women) SPECIFICALLY are being hypersensitive and living in the past.

c) When I say dicks I’m not trying to be derogatory towards men but derogatory towards people (male AND females) in general.

I hope I don't get banned for saying that.

KingPsyz

04-20-2005, 12:25 PM

I would rather read an intelligent thought-provoking rant than some of the other bullshit on here.

I don't have time to sort through every piece of hullabaloo on this thread but I will say, I like damaja and I like Documad and this is some of the most interesting debate/conversation I've seen in a long time.
and then irony set in when they banned you (!)

saz

04-20-2005, 01:58 PM

it's quite obvious that Documad has trouble differentiating between the real world and the internet...if she didn't, then she wouldn't take words on a screen, from a message board, so seriously.

regardless, no one likes a snitch

ericlee

04-20-2005, 03:46 PM

you gotta fight for your right to (say what you want) party!!!!

RobMoney

04-20-2005, 04:12 PM

I once was urged by an administrator to put a certain person on "Ignore" instead of perpetuating an argument with them.

I see no reason why people can't be pro-active in using the "Ignore" option.

Documad, wints, razorbladekiss, and anyone else who may have been offended......

Maybe Minton could have suggested to you guys to exercise your "Ignore" feature and ended it right there.

Problem solved,......now let Damaja apologize and be re-instated, pleaseandthankyou

ToucanSpam

04-20-2005, 04:13 PM

RobMoney

04-20-2005, 05:56 PM

Let's all remember that Damaja was like 18

God forbid he did something that may be considered immature

ToucanSpam

04-20-2005, 05:58 PM

Let's all remember that Damaja was like 18

God forbid he did something that may be considered immature
Very good point. He never said anything that was seemingly over the top, and when in doubt, ignore people.

Documad

04-20-2005, 06:38 PM

There is a huge philosophical difference here, and it's not going to be resolved.

There are many, many people who come here and don't make friends and don't get to know the ins and outs and who all the players are. Watch at the bottom of the screen how many people are in here. The vast majority of them are not in your club. I believe that people have a right to come in here, register, and ask questions in the proper forums, without being attacked. I don't believe that newbies should have to bow and scrape and study the sure shots and BF threads for months and months before they post. I certainly don't think they should have to identify all the crazies and put them all on ignore before posting! This seems like one of those crazy frat stories where you were all hazed and have scars and so you want your own pound of flesh as payback.

I can't believe that you expect everyone who posts here to know the history of every person on this board before he/she posts! You all apparently knew that Damaja was a loose cannon. (I spend a lot of time in here and I didn't know who Damaja was except in the vaguest of ways. He didn't know who I was because he told that to one of his spokespeople in another thread. And I wasn't the one who started the thread, but she clearly didn't know him either.) So someone who doesn't know him is supposed to know his age, country of origin, social skills, history with women, mental health state, his hopes and dreams, his relationships with women, etc. I can't roll my eyes far back enough in my head for that one.

Most of the people who come here will never be a "cool kid" here. Yet they still have a right to a relatively civilized board.

The part of this that makes me most curious is imagining the lives you must lead. I imagine you going to a party at a friend's house, walking up to someone, introducing yourself, and asking for the time of day. The person then says, "fuck you, pig." But you don't care. Then another person who overheard says "wow, that was harsh, I'm surprised" and that person gets a "fuck you too". And everyone at the party is just fine with that. Because everyone at the party has no expectation that they will be treated any better than that. You all deserve better than that.

cosmo105

04-20-2005, 06:39 PM

INTERNET!

BSTEGRL

04-20-2005, 06:40 PM

All we need is for each and every user here to show a little respect for one another
This is all anyone here is looking for. If you're truly so socially inept that you're incapable of this and need to be put on ignore, maybe you need to spend a little less time on the internet, and a little more learning how to interact with people.

Thank you, wints!

I honstly don't see whats so hard to understand. The "issue", what we're "looking for".....its all been spelled out over, and over, and over again.

Yet, after the "explaining" in this thread some people just never got the point.....and they never will. Its apparent in the recent posts.

Some poeple are still under the assumption that Documad, myself, or some other fellow "user" was what got Damaja banned. :rolleyes:

Some poeple still think its over the word "cunt"......or "bad words".....or the "ignore" option we forgot about.

All I have left to say, is that thank goodness the admins got it, and are taking care of it.

My other comment about what I've quoted from wints...is I agree whole heartedly! Those of you that don't comprehend the value of respect for others, and that keep referencing the "real world"...you need to learn how to interact with people. Its my belief that your probably the ones that make the world so rude. I could just imagine how you interact with people in person....or how you get walked on by people you "ignore" who are disrespectful twards you.

Please read what minton has posted.....and try not to miss the point. We're not trying to make the boards lame, get people banned, or create some "tattle-fest" type standard.....we just want this (BG) to be a fun place for everyone. If being respectful is too hard, or no fun....take it to BF. Whats the problem?

BSTEGRL

04-20-2005, 06:43 PM

The part of this that makes me most curious is imagining the lives you must lead. I imagine you going to a party at a friend's house, walking up to someone, introducing yourself, and asking for the time of day. The person then says, "fuck you, pig." But you don't care. Then another person who overheard says "wow, that was harsh, I'm surprised" and that person gets a "fuck you too". And everyone at the party is just fine with that. Because everyone at the party has no expectation that they will be treated any better than that. You all deserve better than that.

LOL! Thats funny because I just mentioned something like that in my last post....but I was vague. I like the way you illustrated it MUCH better. :D

Documad

04-20-2005, 06:45 PM

LOL! Thats funny because I just mentioned something like that in my last post....but I was vague. I like the way you illustrated it MUCH better. :D
It's funny that we were typing the same stuff at the same time. :)

BSTEGRL

04-20-2005, 06:49 PM

It's funny that we were typing the same stuff at the same time. :)

well, great minds do think alike you know. :p

BSTEGRL

04-20-2005, 06:51 PM

P.S For COSMO105:

INTERNET!

You keep arguing this, but we aren't talking about the internet....we're talking about the Beastie Boys message boards, where people join together to talk about..........the BEASTIE BOYS!

If you want to talk about cunts and/or be jerks to eachother, there are MANY other sites on the internet where you can do that!

some people.... :rolleyes:

RobMoney

04-20-2005, 07:06 PM

P.S For COSMO105:

You keep arguing this, but we aren't talking about the internet....we're talking about the Beastie Boys message boards, where people join together to talk about..........the BEASTIE BOYS!

Actually there is a section called Beastie-Free

That means there is a section for things that don't involve the Beasties.

...and the last time I checked the Beastie Boys message boards were on the

INTERNET!!!

Documad

04-20-2005, 07:10 PM

Actually there is a section called Beastie-Free

That means there is a section for things that don't involve the Beasties.

...and the last time I checked the Beastie Boys message boards were on the

INTERNET!!!
You so don't get it. :)

BSTEGRL

04-20-2005, 08:24 PM

Unfortunately, the people who want to be leaders on this board, and threaten and abuse new people until they leave, are getting to be a minority, thank god. I only hope that admin have the smarts not to make them moderators so they can abuse people in a whole new way.

I know....

I met a new "Beastie friend" on another website, (who happens to be 13). I thought that letting her know about this site would be a good thing for a fellow fan.....
Sadly, after her first post she privately complained to me that people were being very mean to her. After I tried to reassure her that not everyone was like that, then this happens. I regret inviting her to the "Beastie Community".....and unfortunately, there is no good reason why she shouldn't be able to be here. :(

cosmo105

04-20-2005, 08:26 PM

There are so many who don't. People who type "internet" in large letters, for example, and then think they're the smart people here.
okay, jesus. that was uncalled for. don't turn things into insults. yes, this is the beastie boys message board. but it IS on the internet.

you all are taking it far too seriously. it's an internet messageboard. don't forget that. that's why i said internet. that's always why i say internet. i have copyright on that you know

cosmo105

04-20-2005, 08:31 PM

sheesh

BSTEGRL

04-20-2005, 08:35 PM

it's an internet messageboard. don't forget that. that's why i said internet. that's always why i say internet. i have copyright on that you know

I don't think ANY of us are going to be able to forget that now that its been repeated so many times! LOL! Still, not the point.

Knuckles

04-20-2005, 08:35 PM

Documad

04-20-2005, 08:41 PM

I just want to say:
1. I love Documad
2. I love Damaja
3. I have done things on here that people did not like. When they told me that they didn't like what I posted I told them I was sorry and edited my post. R-E-S-P-E-C-T
4. I enjoy being called a cunt
Thanks. This isn't a me vs. him thing, but thanks.

I'm sure you would love BSTEGRL if you knew her. I only met her in this thread, but I think she's cool. :)

How would you feel if a stranger walked up to your wife/daughter (if you had one) and said "fuck you, cunt?" I've been dying to ask one of the nicer guys on the board that question. And are you going to teach your son that it's not cool?

I'd really love to see a nice guy on this board (other than Minton, of course) just once tell a creep that it's not cool/manly to treat women like shit. Don't mean to direct it at you Knuckles. There are ton of great guys in here.

Mcmac

04-20-2005, 08:43 PM

BSTEGRL

04-20-2005, 08:44 PM

I'm sure you would love BSTEGRL if you knew her. I only met her in this thread, but I think she's cool. :)

Thanks! :D I was begining to think that no one loved me!

Documad

04-20-2005, 08:45 PM

when i read damajas harsh attack on some so inocent i pissed my self laughing. i hate it how everything has to be controlled but i suppose there has to be justice somewhere on here. But all these fights people have and insults are very entertaining and it's what message boards are all about. there is conflict all the time on this message board, even in beastie general. And imagin know one conflicting because they were to scared of being banned.....it would be very boring.
Do you feel bad that there was no protest when you were banned? And I don't even know what you did. (P.S. I miss the guinea pig but I'm sure you got tired of it. It cracked me up because I imagined the guinea pig talking. :))

Laver1969

04-20-2005, 08:47 PM

I'd really love to see a nice guy on this board (other than Minton, of course) just once tell a creep that it's not cool/manly to treat women like shit. Don't mean to direct it at you Knuckles. There are ton of great guys in here.

Hahaha...I'll step up. Maybe it's a generation thing but I very rarely hear the word cunt in my real life away from the board too.

It's definitely not cool to disrespect others. But apparently that is the sole reason some folks hang around BF. And that's the primary reason I rarely post there.

Knuckles

04-20-2005, 08:47 PM

If damaja walked up and called my wife a cunt I would put my fist through his head.

BSTEGRL

04-20-2005, 08:48 PM

when i read damajas harsh attack on some so inocent i pissed my self laughing. i hate it how everything has to be controlled but i suppose there has to be justice somewhere on here. But all these fights people have and insults are very entertaining and it's what message boards are all about. there is conflict all the time on this message board, even in beastie general. And imagin know one conflicting because they were to scared of being banned.....it would be very boring.

I'd like to think that there can still be "conflict" without crossing the line. I know I've been a real bitch before...and to be honest, I felt like shit afterwards and apologized. :(

I think that this thread is a good example of a "conflict" being expressed maturely....and its still entertaining! Its all in good debating....not being a jerk.

Mcmac

04-20-2005, 08:49 PM

How would you feel if a stranger walked up to your wife/daughter (if you had one) and said "fuck you, cunt?" I've been dying to ask one of the nicer guys on the board that question. And are you going to teach your son that it's not cool?

obviously everyone would be astonished but this is a fucking message board you see, and you cannot compare it with a real life situation like that because it is completly different, seeing as this is some words on a screen. And people need to learn that now and again there will be a "stranger" on a message board saying "fuck you cunt" to you whether you like it or not. Do not take anything read in beastie free seriously because they are all a bunch of sarcastic wacko's, well most of them..

BSTEGRL

04-20-2005, 08:49 PM

If damaja walked up and called my wife a cunt I would put my fist through his head.

Awww, you sound like my boyfriend! :)

cosmo105

04-20-2005, 08:50 PM

Do you feel bad that there was no protest when you were banned? And I don't even know what you did. (P.S. I miss the guinea pig but I'm sure you got tired of it. It cracked me up because I imagined the guinea pig talking. :))
the admins were justified in banning him and his friend. they basically spammed the board with tons of threads about bestiality.

Documad

04-20-2005, 08:51 PM

Hahaha...I'll step up. Maybe it's a generation thing but I very rarely hear the word cunt in my real life away from the board too.
You get big points for having the (excuse me) balls to step up earlier when no other guy did.

If damaja walked up and called my wife a cunt I would put my fist through his head.
This is why all the ladies love you. :) That, and because you bring the funny.

Mcmac

04-20-2005, 08:53 PM

I'd like to think that there can still be "conflict" without crossing the line. I know I've been a real bitch before...and to be honest, I felt like shit afterwards and apologized. :(

I think that this thread is a good example of a "conflict" being expressed maturely....and its still entertaining! Its all in good debating....not being a jerk.

agreed, but sometimes its just not as funny when its not at someone else's expence and i know that makes me out to be a real dickhead but its sometimes the truth. All these sort of arguments where beastie free and beastie general people come together are great though.

Documad

04-20-2005, 08:55 PM

the admins were justified in banning him and his friend. they basically spammed the board with tons of threads about bestiality.
Yes, and beastiality in the abstract is worse than one-on-one abuse of a fellow board member. And remember that he was 14 at the time and thus we should have just put him on ignore or told him to fuck off repeatedly. Because this is just the internet.

Cosmo, I really think you're great and cool (and you have great taste in music which is all that really matters) and you don't deserve the shit you get just because some stupid people are jealous of you. But you're too smart for the argument you're making.

You know, with this thread getting so long, no one is EVER going to read my original long ass post. And I typed my fingers to the bone on that. :p

cosmo105

04-20-2005, 08:57 PM

Yes, and beastiality in the abstract is worse than one-on-one abuse of a fellow board member. And remember that he was 14 at the time and thus we should have just put him on ignore or told him to fuck off repeatedly. Because this is just the internet.

Cosmo, I really think you're great and cool (and you have great taste in music which is all that really matters) and you don't deserve the shit you get just because some stupid people are jealous of you. But you're too smart for the argument you're making.
you don't understand - they spammed the boards. i'm talking about making a ton of threads, basically being idiots with the intent of being banned. and thanks, i think.

and hey - i met my boyfriend (future husband) here, as well as made some good friends, and i sure as hell don't take it seriously. it's just a place i like to go to have fun and post and read things when i'm bored, which is often. it's not my support group or something.

Knuckles

04-20-2005, 08:58 PM

I would be very disappointed if my son grew up and talked to people the way Damaja does. in real life or the internet

I'm trying to teach him to respect everyone (including our cats. He is kinda rough on them right now :D ) because that is what life is all about. Treat people like you want to be treated. (y)

Mcmac

04-20-2005, 08:58 PM

Do you feel bad that there was no protest when you were banned? And I don't even know what you did. (P.S. I miss the guinea pig but I'm sure you got tired of it. It cracked me up because I imagined the guinea pig talking. :))

haha i deffenitly did not expect a protest as i was quite the "cunt". Yes i made myself out to be an animal fucker and i tihnk my banning was a little harsh but i am over it. and cosmo piss off there was only like 2 threads about it and i didnt make any of them.

Laver1969

04-20-2005, 08:59 PM

I'd like to think that there can still be "conflict" without crossing the line. I know I've been a real bitch before...and to be honest, I felt like shit afterwards and apologized. :(

I think that this thread is a good example of a "conflict" being expressed maturely....and its still entertaining! Its all in good debating....not being a jerk.

This kinda reminds me of the "sit on your face" thread a while back. It got very heated for long time but for the most part people agreed to disagree and were fairly civil.

Documad

04-20-2005, 09:01 PM

McMac, I think the banning did you a world of good. That, and turning 15. :)

BSTEGRL

04-20-2005, 09:01 PM

agreed, but sometimes its just not as funny when its not at someone else's expence and i know that makes me out to be a real dickhead but its sometimes the truth. All these sort of arguments where beastie free and beastie general people come together are great though.

I understand a good laugh! (trust me, I can joke with the best of them...90% of my friends are guys). The only problem I see in that is that sarcasm, irony, etc....doesn't transfer as well on a computer screen. Consequently, its hard to tell when someone is joking or just being downright malicious!

You're right, people/fans coming together is great, and the point of this site really....and thats why I'm so upset to know so many people are having to leave.

Mcmac

04-20-2005, 09:02 PM

Yes, and beastiality in the abstract is worse than one-on-one abuse of a fellow board member. And remember that he was 14 at the time and thus we should have just put him on ignore or told him to fuck off repeatedly. Because this is just the internet.

You know, with this thread getting so long, no one is EVER going to read my original long ass post. And I typed my fingers to the bone on that. :p

yes i know it wasnt that bad and cosmo i did not spam there was two threads and i didnt make one of them. Stop putting it as a they and think of me as an individual seeing as haydon is banned for life...
*cough* watch out admins hes getting a new house *cough*

and thanks documad. the board would not be the same if we had just a bunch of 15 yr olds on it like me.

cosmo105

04-20-2005, 09:04 PM

sigh

i'm taking a bubble bath

i suggest you all do the same

Knuckles

04-20-2005, 09:06 PM

sigh

i'm taking a bubble bath

i suggest you all do the same
Calgon take me awaaaaaaaaaay :)

Documad

04-20-2005, 09:06 PM

sigh

i'm taking a bubble bath

i suggest you all do the same
I was thinking coffee shop. But then I'll be messed up at work tomorrow. :)

BSTEGRL

04-20-2005, 09:09 PM

sigh

i'm taking a bubble bath

i suggest you all do the same

nice idea.....but I'm at work. :(

Mcmac

04-20-2005, 09:16 PM

McMac, I think the banning did you a world of good. That, and turning 15. :)

this is true....

and why the hell did freebasser get banned?

Documad

04-20-2005, 09:28 PM

Freebasser wasn't banned. They're protesting. Maybe they found a new all-abuse/all-the-time message board. :)

I'm just kidding. He's a terrific guy even if I don't agree with his priorities.

ericlee

04-21-2005, 12:40 AM

I used to own a beastie boys shirt that I bought in a skateboard shop in Toledo Ohio. ON the front of the shirt, it had a pic of a Majestics effect pedal. On the back of it was written "FUCK ALL YA'LL ". I also owned another shirt which had obscene word on written on it. It had a pic of 3 very fat guys riding motorcycles on the back and written under it is "THE FAT SHIT IN '92 ".

I'm sure if one of the band members had an idea to put "FUCK YOU CUNT " instead of fuck all ya'll on the back of the t-shirt then it would have been done.

Take this into heart. The shirts were made to be worn in public so that everyone can read and believe me, the words were written in bold letters enough to be clearly read.

ericlee

04-21-2005, 01:02 AM

Wow. You don't get it either. Amazing!

what is it that I'm supposed to get? I'm just stating a true fact. It said nothing to anybody.

I think you dont get the point of my post so, you should'nt bother quoting me.

ericlee

04-21-2005, 01:15 AM

Sorry, I should have been clearer. What you don't get is the point of this thread. If you read the five pages of it, though, I'm sure you will. This is not about 'bad words', as you seem to think. It's about basic respect for people.

My point being these "bad words" were written on a t-shirt which happens to be made to be worn in public. People in public will take notice of the shirt and feel disrespected upon reading it.

ericlee

04-21-2005, 01:33 AM

I doubt it. Think of it this way - to how many women do you walk up to in a day and say "fuck you, cunt?" This is a very different issue than words on a t-shirt. I take no issue with the word 'fuck' - in fact, it's in my sig, and I teach it to my students. It's a necessity for understanding the English language. The issue here is treating one another on the board with respect. I'm not sure if you saw the original thread this one refers to, but you might want to read what minton posted about his reasons for banning damaja. They have nothing to do with foul language.

Haha, that's cool teaching the word "fuck" to kids (y) Seriously, in which way did you teach them the use of it?

I've heard many words from people who read my shirt with dislike, believe me.

Yeah, I've read some of damaja's posts and I dont find them bothersome but it's true, people do take things differently, that's all. Thus the theory of bringing the topic of my shirt into the issue.

ericlee

04-21-2005, 01:47 AM

Well, my students are college-age kids from other countries who come here to learn English so they can attend university. I teach them academic prep English, of course, but as part of their conversational English they watch movies, and learn that 'fuck' can be used as a noun, a verb, an adjective - it's really a great word, in my opinion.

People have brought up the issue of 'bad words' in this thread before, and I guess I just feel like it clouds the issue, and minimizes the abusive nature of phrases like "fuck you, you melodramatic piece of trash, and get off this message board". That's a post that's intended to intimidate and at the very least make someone feel bad, and it's just not necessary. But as has been mentioned, minton has taken care of it and instated the rule that board members must be respected by one another, which I think is great. (y)

word. My wife teaches English to Arabic kids but being they are kids, I dont think it's idealistic for her to teach that word to them as of now. If she happens to change the age group of people she teaches, I will let her take into thought of perhaps teaching that word. Fuck indeed is a great word and if people aren't saying it, they're thinking it.

In other words, here's how to say "fuck" in Chinese, Wo kao!!

roosta

04-21-2005, 02:19 AM

lighten up for fucks sake!

adrockmelanie

04-21-2005, 02:53 AM

awwww barb has 2727 posts.

TWOSEVENTWOSEVEN

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

ok. i'm bored. sorry.

Rancid_Beasties

04-21-2005, 06:08 AM

"Cunt" :( (even typing it makes me frown) is my least favourite word in the English language. However, fuck is my all time favourite. Theres just something about "fuck" that makes it non-offensive and even a term of endearment in some situations. However regarding "cunt", its heavier and insulting in almost any context. I like damaja and all but I have to agree with Documad, and the admins on this one.

I think it comes back to the fact that while we need (or at least desire) freedom of expression within the beastie free forum (and the beastie free forum only), we need to be warned with an "enter at your own risk" statement as Daisy suggested. The rules (which are obviously no longer considered up to date by the massive show of support for Damaja) as they stand basically demand Damaja be banned. Until the rules are changed this will, and should continue to happen. Lets not forget that this website is run by the admins on behalf of the beastie boys and it is up to them how they run it. We can voice our concerns but ultimately we have no channel of appeal in relation to bannings.

PS Cosmo, I was talking to Mcmac the whole time on msn while that beastiality thing was going on and he was really just contributing to those threads created by his more offensive friend Haydon. It all started when Mcmac was treated very harshly as a newbie and decided to piss off bbmb veterans (not necessarily you) who have a tendancy to hang shit on the new guy just for the hell of it. In the process haydon and mcmac began to retaliate, affecting everybody on the board. It comes back to the fact that beastie free is turning into a more forbidding place for newbies as the old guard blame them for the current state of the board. Perhaps if the warning re beastie free not having a moderator included something specifically directed towards newbies (ie how to approach gaining acceptance/not pissing people off) we wouldn't get so many posts with the heading "Hi I'm new around here"...inevitably resulting in so many insults immediately being directed at that person. :)

minton

04-21-2005, 06:17 AM

The rules (which are obviously no longer considered up to date by the massive show of support for Damaja) as they stand basically demand Damaja be banned. Until the rules are changed this will, and should continue to happen. Lets not forget that this website is run by the admins on behalf of the beastie boys and it is up to them how they run it. We can voice our concerns but ultimately we have no channel of appeal in relation to bannings.

The rules already have been changed, if you read my previous posts in this thread. They needed updating, we agreed, and we changed them.

Rancid_Beasties

04-21-2005, 06:23 AM

I read pretty much all of page 1 and 5, but this thread has grown way too quickly for me to read all of it. Anyway much respect minton (y)

RobMoney

04-21-2005, 06:35 AM

I'll admit that I am not aware of all of the happenings of this story, nor do I really care. All I need to know is that Damaja was warned about something and he continued it, so he was banned. I understand that and agree with it.

The only question I am left with about this banning is still the consistency of the enforcement of the rules. The key to good administrating, from administrating a company, to administrating a message board, is that you be Fair and Consistent.

I have seen far worse behavior be overlooked that was brought to the Administrations attention. Several abuse notices were sent by several different people, and not much was done, and the behavior continued by the person. So I got the impression that Beastie Free was going to be run in an "everything goes" manner. Now the Admins seem to have a different set of rules towards this particular issue. I am not really sure what is and what is not allowed at this point. I have to blame the Admins themselves for not being more clear about what is and what is not going to be allowed on this site. It's not fair to enforce rules on a whim or because you personally like or dislike the person making the complaint. I also see threads get closed for "spam" or people trying to hawk some crap, but I see others hawking the hell out of their books in almost every post and in their signatures and that is allowed? It's all cloudy at best to me.

I don't think the rules need to be revised, they just need to be enforced Consistently.

Documad

04-21-2005, 06:36 AM

I suspect the admins will have a tough time still because the standard in the FAQs is that you have to respect others. That's a great goal and I think it's what the band is probably about, but what the fuck do I know? Respecting others is a higher standard than simply not abusing them.

I brought up the McMac thing because he posted in here. And because I like him. I meant to show that the BF club of regulars actually like the rules and demand that they be enforced. But only the rules they like and against the people they don't want around. They don't want a no rules forum, or the place would be full of Haydons and beastiechiks. McMac cooperated and cleaned up his act and now he's just a regular 15 year old fan.

I suspect that Minton has far more support than even he knows. I've been contacted by many people. I never realized how many people read in here regularly but rarely post.

Because everyone else is going off topic: Asshole is my favorite word, but I don't scream it at strangers except when they can't hear (usually in my car). In person, if I don't like what someone is doing, I go super extra polite and tell them what I don't like and why. Assholes and bullies in the real world simply can't handle that. It usually works on this board too.

RobMoney

04-21-2005, 06:42 AM

The rules already have been changed, if you read my previous posts in this thread. They needed updating, we agreed, and we changed them.

Well what are they?......the rules in the FAQ look exactly the same to me?

Tzar

04-21-2005, 06:49 AM

Documad

04-21-2005, 06:55 AM

Well what are they?......the rules in the FAQ look exactly the same to me?
I think they took out the abuse is not tolerated part. But that can't mean that abuse is tolerated because you still have to respect your fellow board members and that's a higher standard anyway.

I'm going to give the admins the benefit of the doubt, and watch and see. Minton has said that he and tpk will respond to complaints. It's not going to be easy for them because there are a lot of smart and opinionated people in here who don't agree. Funny thing is that since we've had this discussion, it feels more civilized in general, but I only read a tiny portion of the threads.

Tzar

04-21-2005, 07:02 AM

phew - finally read the whole thread.

my 2 cents:

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA

cosmo105

04-21-2005, 10:08 AM

is sand the only thing that has ever been in these vaginas?

venusvenus123

04-21-2005, 10:17 AM

bigggggesssssssssst werd ever.
thanks :cool:

... and ehehe cosmo

KingPsyz

04-21-2005, 10:41 AM

is sand the only thing that has ever been in these vaginas?
*chortle*
btw, this thread is a much quicker read for me now if you know what i mean ;) ;) *nudge nudge*

enree erzweglle

04-21-2005, 12:53 PM

when people bring in arguments that they're surprised that the band allows certain things to happen on the boards is when i'd expect yauch or horovitz or mike d to just say thanks, it's been nice, now the boards are gone.

saz

04-21-2005, 01:06 PM

jesus christ

Documad is really getting on my fucking nerves. all you had to do was fucking 'zing' damaja or put him on ignore. but oh no. you had to cry and run to the admin like some little wimpy wussy snitch....seriously, don't you have anything better to fucking worry about than some guy posting on an internet message board? it's fucking sad, this isn't a goddamn hippy-love-in fest, or fucking tea time. christ, a lot of the people on here are total losers or freaks and I don't demand any respect from them and I don't give respect either. if you wanna get to know someone, you friggin pm them. if you're so concerned and distraught over some teenager who typed some words on a message board, I highly recommend that take your thumb out of your ass and get the fuck out into the real world....while you're there, you might want to develop a sense of humor and stop being a total flake.

Knuckles

04-21-2005, 02:07 PM

KingPsyz

04-21-2005, 02:09 PM

hell it happened to me too, but i rolled with it.

RobMoney

04-21-2005, 02:30 PM

I have one more thing to add to this thread. When I first started posting on this mb I was treated like crap by quite a few of the senior members, Damaja being one of them. I had never been on a mb before and had no idea why people were being so mean. I stopped coming to the sight for about three weeks and for some reason or another decided to give it another chance.

I hope I don't sound like I'm tooting my own horn but I think I have contributed some fun things to this board. I wonder how many people who are as funny as Cosmo or as cool as Paul Jones or as smart as Scary Squirrel or as nice a Roby (hi hi hi :) ) have been run out of here the first week they started posting because people treated them poorly? Maybe that is something to think about...

Dude,...if they let retards on a MB chase them away, I'd have to seriously question they're level of coolness, niceness, intelligence, or comedic personality.

It is what you make of it. Some people are better at adjusting socially than others, that's life. Maybe I'm just too jaded to care if some kid insults me on a MB. My reaction would be to laugh, insult him back and move on to the next issue because I try not to take myself that seriously.

I'm still waiting for someone besides Aimee to be nice to me and I have been here longer than you Andy :D

P.S. If they are aware of how to use the "report abuse" function on here they cant be all that much of a Noob. Documad is far from a noob and I would suspect that she is familiar with some of the personalities of this board.

peterclamp

04-21-2005, 03:02 PM

Man, that was a long thread to read!

Unlike most of you here, I've met Alex (Damaja) and he is very different to his online persona. Many people are, using their alias as a way of being something they are not (nothing wrong with that). In the real world Alex is a quiet and polite person. I asked him why he said what he said in his various threads, his answer was that he did it for a reaction, to have some fun and that he had absolutely no malice behind any of it. C**T is not a word I like to hear or say, but in his threads it could be funny.

From my understanding he just didn't want to back down in regard to his banning, give him a while and he will want to come back and maybe he can negotiate his freedom with Minton/TPK.

He didn't know when to stop, he got banned - let's move on.

Pete (Not a c**t)! :)

HEIRESS

04-21-2005, 04:09 PM

rent "sweet sixteen" and try to even count the number of times the word "cunt" is used
true its a scottish film, but you cant deny that the connotation attached to "cunt" is severly different here than in the UK etc

saz

04-21-2005, 05:02 PM

blah blah blah i take the internet too seriously blah blah blah

roosta

04-21-2005, 05:06 PM

bottom line is, a funny, entertaining contributer is gone.

fuck that shit.

saz

04-21-2005, 05:10 PM

again, you're taking words on a screen too seriously. how do you know I'm losing my temper? how do you know or not know that I'm laughing my ass off? how do you know what I look like? you don't....you're just speculating. exactly.

Tzar

04-21-2005, 05:34 PM

this thread is like the funniest shit ever.

(y)

everyone go listen to BYOB right now!!
best. chorus. ever.

mickill

04-21-2005, 05:47 PM

Oh, you make it all pretty obvious. Seriously, though - fresh air - it'll do you a world of good. Get out of the house once in a while! (y)

He hardly even posts, though. Come on. Jeez. Crikey. *is shocked and appalled*

You know, you really shouldn't be like that with Anasazi, of all people. He's always been very welcoming and kind to the people of this board and all he asks for in return is a little courtesy. Would it kill you all to show some consideration?

RobMoney

04-21-2005, 06:00 PM

I'm going out,

**starts a slow clap**

saz

04-21-2005, 06:05 PM

Oh, you make it all pretty obvious. Seriously, though - fresh air - it'll do you a world of good. Get out of the house once in a while! (y)

you know, you would've had a great point there, however it works against you....seeing as you have about 5000+ posts, you state in your bio that your interests are "spending too much time on here" and have posted more times than I ever have in my two years here.

Tzar

04-21-2005, 06:34 PM

you know, you would've had a great point there, however it works against you....seeing as you have about 5000+ posts, you state in your bio that your interests are "spending too much time on here" and have posted more times than I ever have in my two years here.
ZING!

enree erzweglle

04-21-2005, 06:42 PM

These back-and-forths that happen here every so often but on a regular basis and that usually always degrade into "you're just so young" or "meet some real people" sorts of arguments? They do little for most of us except to pit the USs against the THEMs and that only deepens the chasm between the two groups. Not that it's going to stop but I gotta wonder if people are aware of how...odd it is.

For what it's worth, I generally agree with the "lighten up" camp. Go easy on yourselves and everyone else...life's way too short and you're not going to change anyone anyway, particularly in this medium.

BSTEGRL

04-21-2005, 07:46 PM

I don't want to argue with you Anasazi, but I'm getting the impression that you haven't read this entire thread and are assuming a different version of what really happened. If you have read the entire thread, let me make the suggestion that you at least read, again, what minton has posted.
With that said, let me try to summerize some of the things I think you misunderstood.....

...you had to cry and run to the admin like some little wimpy wussy snitch....
Didn't happen. Although Damaja was being a real jerk, this wasn't some personal attack on him, you'd know that by reading the thread.
Again, if you're under the impression that the banning was caused by myself or some other "user", go read minton's posts.
If you want to argue the "report abuse" option again, let me remind you....the abuse was reported, minton asked Damaja to stop, Damaja refused to stop, so Damaja was banned. Damaja's banning was all Damaja's fault. He could have agreed to the rules and stayed. Its that simple. I'm tired of all Damaja's "friends" coming to defend him and not knowing what they are talking about.
...seriously, don't you have anything better to fucking worry about than some guy posting on an internet message board?
I don't know what this is supposed to mean when you seem to be very much concerned with what some woman is posting (Documad)...so much in fact, that you are letting her "get on your fucking nerves". :confused:
...I don't demand any respect from them and I don't give respect either.
I think you intended this comment to "prove" something else, but to me it illustrates exactly the problem some of us have. Do you think that because you don't demand respect from others that its ok not to respect them? Does that mean that if you are rude to someone and they get offended, that you can fall back on the excuse; "well, I didn't ask you to respect me, so why should I respect you"? Thus, making it the other person's fault they got offended? :confused:

Mcmac

04-21-2005, 08:26 PM

whoa

this thread is some way too seriouse shit.

wints your not actually being seriouse are you? its a joke right? right? right?
;)

you all need to chilax.

afronaut

04-21-2005, 08:27 PM

I think the questions that you lovely internet folk should really be asking are -
does respect on the internet exist
do you people actually EXPECT respect on the internet
why do you expect respect on the internet
do any of you, on the internet, deserve respect
and if you do, why, on the internet mind you, do you deserve this respect you so rabidly and high and mightily crave
and does anyone, especially on the internet, have the right to uphold an abstract concept such as "respect" with any force....

....on the internet?

Tzar

04-21-2005, 08:30 PM

afronaut

04-21-2005, 08:49 PM

You know, just ask minton, okay? He's the one who thinks that people showing respect on here is a good idea.

I don't need to ask anyone, I already have my views, and could care less about the whole thing. I do believe, though, that you should ask yourself these questions, taking into account that you've more than likely spent the better half of these last couple of days debating, with faceless people, this "issue", this "issue" of "respect" on an internet message board, this meaningless, unimportant "issue", on your high respectful horse, or mule more like, so rabidly and unflinching, as if this was actually important, as if you truly demand "respect" from total strangers in a lawless abstract digital wasteland.

PS i like your signature. i laughed when i read it.

afronaut

04-21-2005, 09:14 PM

What you don't seem to understand is that your mule is just as high as mine - you demand that people read and understand and respect your words here - otherwise you wouldn't put so much thought into them. Why would you bother to spend precious moments out of your day typing what you think on a message board if you didn't care very deeply that people were reading them? You insist on your right to call people 'cunt' whenever you feel like it, and to tell them to fuck off, good for you. It seems like you've found a great place to do it.

I don't know what you're getting at deary. Where did I say I demanded any of that stuff, or anything for that matter? If I actually say something smart, why would I expect, much less demand, any of you people understand it? Why would I expect anyone here to respect it?

"Why would you bother to spend precious moments out of your day typing what you think on a message board if you didn't care very deeply that people were reading them?"

Have you ever read my posts?

Anyhow, the right to call someone a cunt is a lot less of a demand than some absurd demand for "respect" on this wasteland. You may have the mods enforce your precious respect, but you'll never get it. Nah. Who cares anyway? is it important? I mean, either way, one way or the other? At least waste your life in the political forum debating something semi-important, sheesh. I'm out.

cosmo105

04-21-2005, 09:36 PM

another one bites the dust

DipDipDive

04-21-2005, 09:38 PM

another one bites the dust

How do you think we're gonna get along without her while she's gone? :(

cosmo105

04-21-2005, 09:40 PM

are you happy?

are you satisfied??

:mad:

Documad

04-21-2005, 10:20 PM

These back-and-forths that happen here every so often but on a regular basis and that usually always degrade into "you're just so young" or "meet some real people" sorts of arguments?
I don't see it that way. I think it's a lot more like cliques in junior high school, which is why I usually find it both amusing and disorienting.

BTW, I think the thing I've repeated on this board more than anything is that the 15 year olds often say the smartest shit. And one of them had the best post in this thread. :)

KingPsyz

04-21-2005, 10:30 PM

another one bites the dust
Steve walks warily down the street,
With the brim pulled way down low
Ain’t no sound but the sound of his feet,
Machine guns ready to go
Are you ready, are you ready for this
Are you hanging on the edge of your seat
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I’m gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

How do you think I’m going to get along,
Without you, when you’re gone
You took me for everything that I had,
And kicked me out on my own

Are you happy, are you satisfied
How long can you stand the heat
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat

Chorus

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
There are plenty of ways you can hurt a man
And bring him to the ground
You can beat him
You can cheat him
You can treat him bad and leave him
When he’s down
But I’m ready, yes I’m ready for you
I’m standing on my own two feet
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
Repeating the sound of the beat

jennyb

04-21-2005, 10:37 PM

:( :mad: :( :mad: :( :mad: :(

Damn! Yeah, yeah, it's a digital wasteland... still it's a form of communication and interaction with other human beings, of which I try to treat as I would like to be treated. I expect to run in to many assholes, as I expect when I hop on the freeway. That's life. You just hit the speed bumps and keep rollin on to the next. I don't know what I'm really tryin to say but... I'm really glad I got to know wints.

Documad

04-21-2005, 10:44 PM

I'll miss having wints around here for a bunch of reasons. For one thing, she had the highest batting average for making good threads.

But I'm sure she's better off.

Mcmac

04-21-2005, 11:14 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOooo! not wints! it was justa little misunderstanding....

wints you are the only person on the board that has that many posts without talking shit. you have been a great asset to this board in my oppinion.

and documad were you refering to me? :D

BSTEGRL

04-22-2005, 01:52 AM

I hate to see wints go....but I completely understand. :( Thanks for all your support wints! I'll be keeping in touch. :)

Alright everyone, in my opinion...this has gotten really redundant. I think I've said all I can, the situation is being taken care of......and I hope that everyone can learn to get along.

For the record, I don't have any problem with anyone on here and I very much enjoy the difference of opinions, while we all still have one great thing in common....love for the Beasties! I do think this turned out to be one of the more interesting discussions here to date.

P.S Psyzmacgrafs....as annoying as those huge letters are, its refreshing to have someone break out in song. :)

enree erzweglle

04-22-2005, 03:30 AM

wints posted great photos and I'll miss that aspect of her not being here.

Mcmac

04-22-2005, 03:50 AM

biggest overeaction i have ever seen. :eek:

ericlee

04-22-2005, 04:14 AM

oh my god, bwahahahaha, hehehehe, hahahahahaha, *poot* hahahahahahahah

seriously, wtf?

Documad

04-22-2005, 04:54 AM

and documad were you refering to me? :D
Not this time. :) You and I don't agree on this one. But I'm glad you contributed. :)

RobMoney

04-22-2005, 06:00 AM

I'm not sure that you even know what 'respect' means. You see, you've just respected my posts by reading and responding to them, instead of typing the word "INTERNET" in big black letters, or saying 'fuck you, cunt'. See? It's not that hard, and I suspect you actually do it without thinking about it. Deary. So I'm leaving now, for good, which I'm sure will make RobMoney wet his pants with joy. I've had enough of this time-wasting, ridiculous joke of a message board. I've met a few great people here, and a whole bunch that I wouldn't ever want to meet in person. Not great odds. Enjoy.

When did this become a BF vs. BG issue?

Oh yeah, when wints made it one. Nobody else who cared to post in this thread mentioned BF or BG. She lost this debate the second she started attacking an entire forum. I'll bet anyone you will see a lot less turmoil between each forum now that she is gone,....I bet you all,...WATCH.

P.S. She truly hated me I guess. Her loss!! :D :D :D :D

P.P.S. Momma used to say: "To get respect, you must first give it"......................not demand people give it to you. (n)

P.P.P.S. I don't buy any of it anyway,....she'll be back, she just ran out of TT5B tour info to obsess over now that the tour has ended.

Tzar

04-22-2005, 06:27 AM

She lost this debate the second she started attacking an entire forum. I'll bet anyone you will see a lot less turmoil between each forum now that she is gone,....I bet you all,...WATCH.

yeah i believe so, too.

Laver1969

04-22-2005, 08:42 AM

I don't see it that way. I think it's a lot more like cliques in junior high school, which is why I usually find it both amusing and disorienting.

I kinda see it like a bunch of grafitti on the junior high bathroom walls. :D

Now...everyone get back to your respective forums. ;)

kll

04-22-2005, 12:25 PM

I still don't understand the need for announcing or posting that you are leaving. Do these people feel that by announcing it that they can somehow kick their addiction cold turkey? I think not.

We all know that it's impossible to leave this place, especially if you are an everyday poster and those who have "left" are just re-registered under a new username.

BGirl

04-22-2005, 01:20 PM

*warning: long post*

Don't laugh but I happen to like Miss Manners. What she says makes sense to me and I think she's funny. I should be working on my own web sites and drumming up some business for myself today but I've been following the drama around here and it's bothering me so much I took my damn Miss Manners books off the shelf last night and did a little reading. And since wints has now decided to leave, which I think is a loss for the whole Beastie Boys community - I'm sure even those who dislike her enjoyed her photo collection which is now gone (not to mention, a friend of mine is also gone because of dissing and I don't think I'm the only one who misses him), I think it's worth posting something I found. It's just a little food for thought, I found it interesting.

And I'm typing it all out by hand so please excuse any typos (it's hard to find her stuff online (outside the Washington Post column archives)..

Cyberspace Etiquette

The more Miss Manners heard about the excellent concept of "netiquette," the more she kept wondering why it sounded so familiar. The problem that it addresses -- how to deal with people who take advantage of unusually open social access to misrepresent who they are, to press unwelcome intimacy, to monopolize others' time, to be nasty without fear of ruining their everyday reputations, to make bores and pests of themselves -- seemed like something from long ago.

Miss Manners' memory was oddly mixed with pleasant recollections of sea breezes. Ocean voyages, she realized. Those were the same etiquette concerns as in the days when one was able to cross (as we used to say without anyone's wondering "Cross what?") without fellow passengers' leaning their chairs back onto one's lap. Cyberspace, like space on the open seas, is free of some constraints that should be observed on land. So in spite of a speed difference, it presents the same difficulties, as well as the same advantages, that come with the freedom of shipboard life.

How can one take advantage of easier social opportunities without risking being subjected to horrid behavior? How can one know whom to trust when isolated from any social apparatus that can supply background information? How can one prevent a few awful people from ruining the ambience for everyone else?

Socializing outside of normal social controls is never as safe as inside them, which is why young ladies used to be warned to beware of those they met on ocean crossings who represented themselves as gentlemen.

Young ladies used to resent the warning. It was just there (as etiquette has ever been taxed with being) to spoil their fun. They could take care of themselves. They didn't need to wait for proper introductions from known people to be able to tell who was respectable and who wasn't. They just knew.

Not always, as some of them -- and their modern sisters who brought the attitude to such landlocked institutions as singles bars -- unfortunately found out. But the computerized generation (as opposed to Miss Manners' generation, which loves its computers but keeps getting itself into technological difficulty and calling on the young for mercy) has become more sophisticated. It knows that surface clues can intentionally or unintentionally misleading, that the law cannot monitor all behavior -- indeed, that it often should not, even if it could -- and that therefore the protection of etiquette is needed. So while in ordinary life, old-fashioned types are calling for natural, etiquette-free behavior in spite of having lived so long with the consequences, the computer literate are calling for cyberspace etiquette.

Miss Manners is delighted -- not only because they are on the right path, but because at last she can offer them some assistance. Cyberspace etiquette is, in a way, etiquette in its purest form. No one can guess how old or rich or good-looking or stylish anyone is; people can be judged only by the way they represent themselves. But because everyone is, or can be, anonymous, the punishment of community disapproval or banishment is handicapped. A wrongdoer can merely disappear and return under a different identity.

So the only reason to be polite is that cyberspace social life, like all forms of community life, doesn't work as it is supposed to unless participants voluntarily restrain themselves from spoiling it. The vocabulary may be different -- flaming for insulting, writing in capital letters for shouting, spamming for buttonholing large numbers of people -- but the rules should be familiar to anyone who engages in ordinary social life:

Newcomers should introduce themselves and then study the interests and habits of any group they wish to join. Some chat groups, like some individuals conducting E-mail correspondence, are highly focused on a particular topic and impatient with irrelevancies and repetitions; others are intended for companionship and less particular about the content.

The tone also varies from rough to refined. Just as speech and behavior are supposed to be different in locker rooms and drawing rooms -- although you'd never know it from some of today's drawing room conversations -- cyberspace has areas in which salaciousness or flaming are permitted and ones in which they are offensive.

Whatever the setting, it has always been rude to bore people, to hog the floor, to conduct a private conversation in front of others and to push commercial wares in social settings. It always will be, no matter how new the conditions. Miss Manners accepts no pleas of ignorance about such matters. Nor should those who are the victims of rudeness. Cyberspace society may not be able to identify its miscreants, but it can trace their origins and warn the innocent away from their advances. Toss them overboard, she would advise if she weren't so polite.

- from Miss Manners' Basic Training: Communication

whew!

By the way, this is my 400th post! :eek:

*blows out one of those curly-paper things and twirls a noisemaker*

peace all

"We trying to be all one at beastieboy.com for real." - Ty Weathers (aka I_wear_manties)

enree erzweglle

04-22-2005, 01:48 PM

I still don't understand the need for announcing or posting that you are leaving. Do these people feel that by announcing it that they can somehow kick their addiction cold turkey? I think not.
Not speaking for the motives of anyone here, but I always see this as a sort of cry for people to object to the proposed imminent departure...that maybe the person is feeling badly and needs to be reassured that they're still wanted and loved.

When I've left online forums/newsgroups, I've never announced it. I've just gone away usually intentionally slowly so that it wasn't something that I needed to explain or justify.

kll

04-22-2005, 02:21 PM

Not speaking for the motives of anyone here, but I always see this as a sort of cry for people to object to the proposed imminent departure...that maybe the person is feeling badly and needs to be reassured that they're still wanted and loved.

When I've left online forums/newsgroups, I've never announced it. I've just gone away usually intentionally slowly so that it wasn't something that I needed to explain or justify.

Yeah, that's kind of the feeling I got from it all. The drama of typing it out and hitting the Submit button, then waiting patiently (or not so patiently) as people shout out their cheers and jeers. Classic attentionwhore stuff...

DipDipDive

04-22-2005, 02:22 PM

Yeah, that's kind of the feeling I got from it all. The drama of typing it out and hitting the Submit button, then waiting patiently (or not so patiently) as people shout out their cheers and jeers. Classic attentionwhore stuff...

In invisible mode, no less.

Oh! Hi there, wints!

RobMoney

04-22-2005, 02:33 PM

I'm sure even those who dislike her enjoyed her photo collection which is now gone

How, "I'm taking my toys and going home" of her!

Dramatic (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/OMFG-Drama.jpg)

"We trying to be all one at beastieboy.com for real." - Ty Weathers (aka I_wear_manties)

I'm sorry, I really am not trying to dance on her grave, but I don't think we were ALL trying to be one at beastieboy.com!

wints may have contributed a lot of photos to this place, but she clearly had a big problem with Beastie Free and was a big part of the divide between the two forums. I know some really nasty things that she said to people about some of the Beastie Free forum people. I have never repeated them because it was just second hand info, but I believe the people who told me them. I think she showed some of her colors on her own in this thread.

RobMoney

04-22-2005, 02:37 PM

Classic attentionwhore stuff...

Did you say Attention whore? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/Attention-WhoreBeach.jpg)

kll

04-22-2005, 02:51 PM

Did you say Attention whore? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/RobMoney004/Attention-WhoreBeach.jpg)

ohmygod, where'd you get that photo of me?

KingPsyz

04-22-2005, 03:03 PM

shit y'all want photos i gots em from the coachella fest, fuck someone who's gonna be a silly cunt about something she had no involvement in.

BGirl

04-22-2005, 03:24 PM

I'm sorry, I really am not trying to dance on her grave, but I don't think we were ALL trying to be one at beastieboy.com!

wints may have contributed a lot of photos to this place, but she clearly had a big problem with Beastie Free and was a big part of the divide between the two forums. I know some really nasty things that she said to people about some of the Beastie Free forum people. I have never repeated them because it was just second hand info, but I believe the people who told me them. I think she showed some of her colors on her own in this thread.

I didn't write my post as a cheerleader for wints, just that her departure was the straw that broke the camel's back. Yeah, I've seen mean stuff said on "both sides" :(

I just hate that we have sides..

Since you mention BG/BF, as I was typing out the Miss Manners thing, the part about there being places on the internet where you need to be on topic and others where content isn't as important, places for flaming and others where it's inappropriate.. well, on the BBMB there are forums that fit each of those categories (?) and maybe that's where some of the conflict comes from. Like maybe Damaja's infamous post is fine in BF but not here in BG. In fact I know this point's been made already. Anyway..

Documad

04-22-2005, 04:34 PM

Don't laugh but I happen to like Miss Manners. What she says makes sense to me and I think she's funny. it's hard to find her stuff online (outside the Washington Post column archives)..
I love Miss Manners too. I can't ever live up to her standards, but she's a hoot. The part about the internet being a true test of manners is sure true. I often wonder how many people show their true colors (good or bad) vs. how many are trying so hard to posture and are showing the opposite. I wish more people understood that manners can be really sexy. All the women I work with have a crush on my married male friend, and 95% of it is that he was well brought up. He gives credit to his dad.

And Rob, I'm really glad that you're not dancing on her grave. :p

BGirl

04-22-2005, 04:44 PM

I love Miss Manners too. I can't ever live up to her standards

Who can??! :p

Still, it's good to try. (y) :)

Documad

04-22-2005, 05:04 PM

I really do things wrong in restaurants! But it's nice to have something to strive for.

I remember reading her all the time when I was growing up. She must have had a syndicated article in our paper. I remember that some of her rules on women in the workplace were hilarious. It would be great to find some of the more dated stuff.

She used to be on TV sometimes, and I can't remember what show. :confused:

BGirl

04-22-2005, 05:19 PM

I remember reading her all the time when I was growing up. She must have had a syndicated article in our paper. I remember that some of her rules on women in the workplace were hilarious. It would be great to find some of the more dated stuff.

I have some of her books, Miss Manners' Guide to Excruciatingly Correct Behavior has stuff dating 1979-1982.. got it cheap at The Strand.. I don't know when she started writing. I don't actually know all that much about her. The books are basically collected columns.

She used to be on TV sometimes, and I can't remember what show. :confused:

That would be fun to see. I'll look into it, thanks! :)

Documad

04-22-2005, 05:26 PM

That would be fun to see. I'll look into it, thanks! :)
I want to say it was something like Johnny Carson, because I can hear her voice and see her talking. But it could be any talk show.

I look in used bookstores for exactly this kind of thing. And old cookbooks are a hoot with all their dated ideas about entertaining and "gourmet" food 60s style!

BGirl

04-22-2005, 05:33 PM

And old cookbooks are a hoot with all their dated ideas about entertaining and "gourmet" food 60s style!

Don't get me started on dated craft books. "Honey, I know you want a quilted vest just like this one.." Some styles are not timeless LOL

Now we're a bit off topic. Sorry folks. :)

Time for wine & cheese & stuff, have a good one err'body.

Increase da peace (y)

KingPsyz

04-22-2005, 06:03 PM

yeah might as well close this thread...

likeOMG!

04-22-2005, 07:10 PM

yeah might as well close this thread...
i second that

hellojello

04-22-2005, 08:03 PM

i just read the entire thing.
it took me over an hour.

Documad

04-23-2005, 12:38 AM

I wonder how many people who are as funny as Cosmo or as cool as Paul Jones or as smart as Scary Squirrel or as nice a Roby (hi hi hi :) ) have been run out of here the first week they started posting because people treated them poorly?

Dude,...if they let retards on a MB chase them away, I'd have to seriously question they're level of coolness, niceness, intelligence, or comedic personality.

Maybe I'm just too jaded to care if some kid insults me on a MB. My reaction would be to laugh, insult him back and move on to the next issue because I try not to take myself that seriously.

P.S. If they are aware of how to use the "report abuse" function on here they cant be all that much of a Noob. Documad is far from a noob and I would suspect that she is familiar with some of the personalities of this board.
My last thing in this thread (for real). :)

1) I'd be more sorry if we lost another Knuckles.

2) Some cool people who I know, but you didn't, left and I can't blame them. It's difficult to justify why I'm here.

3) Rob, you are one giant, raw nerve and you expose your feelings all the time. Frankly, it's one of your better qualities, so don't go denying it. You remind me of one of my brothers. I'm crazy about that brother.

4) I have no idea what the "report abuse" function is.

5) The only thing that hurt my feelings here is being called a snitch. I have tons of bad qualities, but I've never been a snitch.

6) No offense, but I don't know who most of the regulars are. For example, I only noticed Echewta two months ago when his name came up in every poll. People seem to think he's funny, I guess, and it appears that he is worshiped. I remember people who posted a lot in the tour blog and in other music, and I read most movie threads and threads having to do with social or legal issues, maybe (but not in the political forum because the point/counterpoint writing style makes my head ache).

7) I think the BF v. GB thing is bullshit. I have favorite people in both. From my limited perspective, there appear to be people who have been members for a long time who feel an entitlement because of that fact. There is another group of "super fans" who feel an entitlement because of that fact. Both groups bug the shit out of me. I can't keep the players straight in either group, I just notice when they're talking among themselves and skim by. I think the BF v. GB thing is perpetuated by people who aren't in either of the two groups I described. Seems to me the people who attack GB in BF most often are the people who are trying too hard to be accepted by the long term members in BF. The people who attack BF in GB are probably the ones who went over to BF and got beat up early on). I can't think of an analogy that isn't offensive so I'll stop there, except that everyone in a hierarchy seems to want to kick someone they think is lower than them to prove that they're not at the bottom. This probably makes no sense, but I'm sure I'm on to something.

That's the end for me. Not on this board--just in this thread (so don't anyone wet their pants). :)

hellojello

04-23-2005, 01:41 AM

RobMoney

04-23-2005, 04:21 AM

3) Rob, you are one giant, raw nerve and you expose your feelings all the time. Frankly, it's one of your better qualities, so don't go denying it. You remind me of one of my brothers. I'm crazy about that brother.

Hey Documad, do you ever lend your brother money? If so can you lend me some? :D ...........lend me it or I'll tell mom you're a "snitch" :D :cool:

Anyway, you made some really good points about the BF vs BG brouhaha that I hadn't considered before.

To me, this place is just like high school with all it's cliques, and I always hated cliques. Both forums have their cliques. I hate the ones in BF just as much and I think I make my feelings pretty clear to them. And just like in High School, the freshman get picked on, it's not just a unique problem for Beastieboys.com, it's a sociological issue, one that I doubt minton or any of the other admins can solve on this site. It happens on all MB's I'm sure. It happens at my job as well, That's life.

saz

04-23-2005, 05:19 AM

trust me I've read this shit all the way through and please don't insinuate I'm friends with dorky teenagers. but anyways, the crap that's being spewed perfectly demonstrates the gay homoness of flakey beastie people, who need to find acceptance on an internet message board. I can't believe some of this shit I'm reading...especially considering the fact that if you think some name-calling is bad, you would've been running for the hills a few years back. sure, I can understand the need to enforce rules, no one wants nazi/kkk/violence/intimidation or whatever. especially if you're a female. but, if you can't handle some really nerdy teenager, ie: can't burn him or use the ignore button, then run to the admin, demand respect from a massive group of complete and faceless strangers, from around the world mind you, on a message board, then you've got problems. that's what annoys me. this should simply be a form of entertainment...that's why I post. you know, you'd get your respect if you could just simply roll with the punches and make someone who is cursing you look stupid...that's not hard with damaja. but you're not going to get it when you try to make the board just like the real world, attempting to tell others how to act and mixing around what they say and put it in a signature. gay. besides, message boards are usually dung heaps of slime anyways....but good for laughs. if what you claim is true, that the admin took up this action on their own accord, then it's still lame. again, an exception can of course be made for intimidation, especially if it involves a dude doing it to a girl. but beastiechickwhateverthefuck said 'the abuse' was reported. and if I remember correctly, the thread wasn't even that bad...damaja was just being an ass. and trust me the bg people are pretty much all tards. well, not all of them. but most....the frequent post archive says it all. you can theorize, speculate, or analyze all you want about what you perceive to be the grandiose scheme of things between bg/bf, but you're just wrong. anyways, they've been picked on forever because a lot of it is hyped-up fanboy banter.

meh....i'm done. but yeah I was kinda fearing that this would turn into a miss manners superfan bullshit free-for-all.

ericlee

04-23-2005, 09:09 AM

my scrotum has wrinkles

aenema

04-23-2005, 12:28 PM

Wow, a thread that got buried under seven pages over a four-letter word!

The Celtics have done it again.

Documad

04-23-2005, 01:31 PM

One day in a primary school student A saw student B graffiti some rude words in the toilets.
Not wanting to be a snitch Student A sits in her seat at the front of class and says really loudly when the teacher comes in, “I saw Student B graffiti in the toilets, I thought graffiti was against the rules?”
Being in a position of authority in the school the teacher has no choice but enforce the anti-graffiti rule that might have otherwise gone unnoticed (after all the toilets are covered in obscene graffiti anyways) and after some failed negotiations between the teacher and the student, Student B is expelled.
Student A maintains she just wanted to clarify whether of not graffiti was really against the rules.
Student B sits at home creating letters that read ‘fuck you cunt’ using words cut out from discarded hard-core porn magazines, with the intentions of sending them to student A.
Everyone else lives happily every after.
I agree with you.

Now here's my analogy:

Students A, B, C and a lot of other students are in a classroom, taught by Teachers X and Y. Student B writes a question on the blackboard. The question has nothing to do with Student A. Student A goes up and writes "fuck you cunt" on the board next to Student B's question. Then Student A signs his name. Teacher X laughs and tells Student A and he's funny and says she doesn't know the answer to Student B's question because Teacher Y is in charge, then she walks out of the room. Other students belittle Student B. Teacher Y get up from his desk, goes over to the blackboard, and writes an answer to Student B's question and then sits back down at his desk. Student C says that she disagrees with Teacher Y's answer to B's question. Teacher Y changes his answer and sits back down again. Student C thanks Teacher Y for reconsidering the answer. Student C then turns to the other students in class and says she's disappointed at their belittling Student B for simply asking a question. Student A tells Student C to shut up and leave because she's unworthy of being in the class, etc. Student C responds calmly, but Student A keeps yelling at her. Eventually, other students start walking up to where Teacher Y has been sitting silently at his desk and start slipping him notes complaining about Student A. Teacher Y finally tells Student A to stop it, and then says that he never read the blackboard and so he didn't know what Student A said, but that he would have done something if only someone had pointed it out to him. Then Teacher Y closes the classroom. The whole thing was recorded on videotape, but Teacher Y destroys the tape.

Student C really likes Teachers X and Y and she thinks they have an impossible job, so she puts up with being shunned by students who weren't in class that day, but she really wishes the videotape were still around so that she could be judged on the facts.

Rob: My brother is the smartest person in my family (and my family has a lot of smart people). To outsiders, I'm a big success and he's a big loser. I have an advanced degree and what appears to be a cool job. He never went to school after high school and he's worked as a machinist since he was 17. Having worked my way through school and having paid back student loans and all, I work a ton of hours in a job that causes me loads of stress, I live in a shitty house and drive a car with tons of miles on it (now Beth says my car is not only jinxed but unstable due to a serious accident :)) while the "loser" in the family lives in a big house with a wife he worships, has a serious retirement account, paid cash for the 4WD truck I covet, has a race track in his basement that I also covet, and he fishes all the time. There is little I find more fun that watching sports with him because he's well informed and hilarious. But I'm not going to be lending him, or you, any money. :)

Yeah, I lied about stopping posting. wtf.