the games album is actually kinda dope

[The Notorious LOL]

initally I thought it was crap but its pretty good.

[Hal9000]

Way more replay value than I expected. (y)

[ScarySquirrel]

As much talent as G-Unit lacks, I think this dude actually has something. It's a solid album with some pretty solid beats on it.

[Rip Round'n Roc]

i still say its (the documentary) way better than 50 cents new piece of shit

the timberland joint is definently my favourite, they should release that as a single

[checkyourprez]

listeing to it right now coinsodentaly.

i think 50 ruins tracks he's on.


but game is definatly a decent rapper. get him away from the g-unit shit and he might be aright.

[checkyourprez]

oh God the 50 haters in full force.



:D


i was never a fan of 50. when he was underground he was ok beacuse his subject matter was a little different. but his flow his delivery and all the rest is just not good and never has been.

[Qdrop]

why the fuck do guys support this shit?

go buy common's new album....

support hip hop, not marketed, social feedback looped, trash.




watch this: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/view/

- chapter 3 and 5 especially.

open your eyes, sheeple.

[beastiedan]

at first I really hated on the album.. I mean lyrically it really lacks, some of his rhymes make me cringe. "i look down on hoes but look up to dre"

but damn.. the production on it is as good as it gets. even em brings it on his track.

[The Notorious LOL]

why the fuck do guys support this shit?

go buy common's new album....

support hip hop, not marketed, social feedback looped, trash.




watch this: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/view/

- chapter 3 and 5 especially.

open your eyes, sheeple.


cause its catchy.

[Qdrop]

cause its catchy.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeple!

[Qdrop]

I'll just burn Common's shit of the conmputer.



:D

but yet, you are the same people who will bitch about the state of music.

buy the crap. download the rest. wonder why the state of music is so bad.

repeat 100 times.....

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

"The Game" is nothing more than a Neanderthal with good production.

[ASsman]

oh God the 50 haters in full force.



:D
And lovers of all proper music!!!

Assholes if you ask me.

[DroppinScience]

watch this: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/view/

- chapter 3 and 5 especially.

open your eyes, sheeple.

That looks really good! THANKS! (y)

[Mr Films]

watch this: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/view/

- chapter 3 and 5 especially.

open your eyes, sheeple.

fucking "merchants of cool" I've seen that shit twice in various comm college courses.

blah blah blah

[Qdrop]

fucking "merchants of cool" I've seen that shit twice in various comm college courses.

blah blah blah

it is so spot on, and you know it.


you're just jealous you didn't produce it yourself.
;)

[tdot04]

Meh, I wasn't expecting it to be all that much, but it couldn't be bad either with the kind of production behind it.

I really dig that "No More Fun & Games" track. The Game brings his A game (terrible pun (n)) on that track (check verse 3).

[cerveza]

it was good like 17 months ago
slowpoke.

[Tzar]

I don't burn music...I bought 5 copies of 50's Massacre though! One for ever stereo in da house and car!

Jesus Christ - you have lost your mind.

[SobaViolence]

all i can think of is Doom's rhyme on 'rock co.kane flow'
'your rhymes ain't worth the weight of they cheap necklace'

[The Notorious LOL]

do you have fondle em doom shit? any grimm? nope? all right shut the fuck up and stop quoting him on some hip hop elitist tip like you've been listening to him longer than since Madvilliany dropped.


I thought that was droppinscience that replied above me. The same applies but less harshly.

[checkyourprez]

do you have fondle em doom shit? any grimm? nope? all right shut the fuck up and stop quoting him on some hip hop elitist tip like you've been listening to him longer than since Madvilliany dropped.



i dont really get what your point is there but im going to offer a reply anyways.

who cares if someones been listeing to doom for one day or since he came out. anyone that listens to him knows good music.

[The Notorious LOL]

well its a trend amongst people who talk shit about 50 or game it seems...theres this "Im a better hip hop fan than you" attitude.

[DroppinScience]

do you have fondle em doom shit? any grimm? nope? all right shut the fuck up and stop quoting him on some hip hop elitist tip like you've been listening to him longer than since Madvilliany dropped.


I thought that was droppinscience that replied above me. The same applies but less harshly.

...the fuck?

I've never even listened to Doom. Leave me out of this. ;)

[mickill]

do you have fondle em doom shit? any grimm? nope? all right shut the fuck up and stop quoting him on some hip hop elitist tip like you've been listening to him longer than since Madvilliany dropped.

Do you have any Zevlove X, KMD shit? Any Mr Hood? Nope? Alright then shut your fat fucker fagtrap cockpocket mouth up and stop quoting him like you invented him and built the dude in your underground banana hammock factory fag dungeon and that you've been listening to him longer than Operation: Doomsday.


But yeah, anyways, you were definitely kinda wrong about that Game joint, bruh.

[Qdrop]

well its a trend amongst people who talk shit about 50 or game it seems...theres this "Im a better hip hop fan than you" attitude.

ya know....if you think the game or 50 cent are good....more so then Doom or other "undergrounds"....then you're not "hip hop"....you're MTVpop.
...you don't even know what hip hop is.

90% of the "hip hop" you see on mtv or BET is pure pop shit.

50 cent is not hip hop....either is the game. if you can't see them as what they are: black men in "black face", than you are brainwashed right to the corporate industries liking.
congrats.

sure, some of thier tracks have good production. some of their lyrics may show some wit.
but that doesn't equal "hip hop", or even "respectable".

look at the big picture: who are they? who do they really represent? how did they get to where they are? who actually respects them...and why? who's really making the money?

if you can read this whole post and just say "ahh...i don't give a fuck...shut up"...
fine.

but then just know exactly what you are: a corporate MTV stooge. you are the industry's bitch. one of thier many lemmings.

remember that before you go ripping on newbies or backpackers.....
know what YOU are.

and i'm not just focusing on you really.....this goes to ALL the fuckers on this thread who are on the game's and 50's 2-inch dicks.

[The Notorious LOL]

Do you have any Zevlove X, KMD shit? Any Mr Hood? Nope? Alright then shut your fat fucker fagtrap cockpocket mouth up and stop quoting him like you invented him and built the dude in your underground banana hammock factory fag dungeon and that you've been listening to him longer than Operation: Doomsday.


But yeah, anyways, you were definitely kinda wrong about that Game joint, bruh.


yeah nigger I got mr hood, black bastards, some brand nubian and the kurious joint. what what.

[Extra Cheese]

ya know....if you think the game or 50 cent are good....more so then Doom or other "undergrounds"....then you're not "hip hop"....you're MTVpop.



90% of the "hip hop" you see on mtv or BET is pure pop shit.



50 cent is not hip hop....either is the game. if you can't see them as what they are: black men in "black face", than you are brainwashed right to the corporate industries liking.
congrats..

ahhhh yes, the popular not hip hop arguments which were interesting in 1997 but now are just annoying



90% percent of the hip hop you see on mtv or bet is better than 90% of the hip hop you dont see on mtv or bet....you can deny it all you want and shop at fat beats all you like but that doesnt change anything




50 cent or game not being hip hop is some gay denial bullshit,

[ASsman]

50 cent or game not being hip hop is some gay denial bullshit,
Depends on how you see Hip-Hop.. and how much you respect it....

[Qdrop]

ahhhh yes, the popular not hip hop arguments which were interesting in 1997 but now are just annoying no, it's only become more important...as the problem has only become worse.



90% percent of the hip hop you see on mtv or bet is better than 90% of the hip hop you dont see on mtv or bet....you can deny it all you want and shop at fat beats all you like but that doesnt change anything
look, i'm not what one would refer to as a backpacker.
i don't deny that ALOT of underground shit is...well, shit. and often overrated.
and plenty of mainstream can be decent.

it's NOT about mainstream vs. underground.

it's about respectable vs. sell out, mass marketed, corporate shills.

it's about respect for the culture of hip hop, not selling out your skin color to make money and be some corporate big-whigs butt buddy.


50 cent or game not being hip hop is some gay denial bullshit,
please, tell me why you believe they represent hip hop....and why you have any respect for them.

really, i want to hear it.

[Qdrop]

Depends on how you see Hip-Hop.. and how much you respect it....

exactly.

[Extra Cheese]

please, tell me why you believe they represent hip hop....and why you have any respect for them.

really, i want to hear it.

i really dont think the question is why they are hip hop but rather why do you think they arent hip-hop. they're already established as hip-hop so it isnt about proving them is about disproving them if you believe they arent hip hop

do you hate krs-one and rakim for their questionable decisions just as much you do 50 and game?

[ASsman]

do you hate krs-one and rakim for their questionable decisions just as much you do 50 and game?
Apples and Oranges. I don't think KRS-One and Rakim made a career of it...

[Qdrop]

i really dont think the question is why they are hip hop but rather why do you think they arent hip-hop. they're already established as hip-hop so it isnt about proving them is about disproving them if you believe they arent hip hop
well, that's the thing....who says they are hip hop.
it's all kinda spelled out in that Frontline report.

you are TOLD that it's hip hop...it is MARKETED as such.

disprove it?
well, first you tell me what you think makes something hip hop.
the debate should start there.

do you hate krs-one and rakim for their questionable decisions just as much you do 50 and game?
yes, as ASSman said above.

sure, we can count the certain hypocracies in krs's life and all that...
fuck, thier human....not gods.

but you simply can't say that 50 has done a fraction for hip hop that krs has....
and "record sales" don't count for much.

[Extra Cheese]

but you simply can't say that 50 has done a fraction for hip hop that krs has....


well then he should be looked upon as an even bigger violater being that he, and rakim and others, is seen as this almighty artist who has done so much for hip-hop and representing hip-hop tot he highest degree and yet do their own moves that are "sell-out" but that gets a pass for some reason.


as for the whole what is hip-hop or why 50 isnt hip hop,,this shit isnt going anywhere i believe and know they're hip-hop as much as you know they arent.


insert last second edit:
"you are TOLD that it's hip hop...it is MARKETED as such."

yeah but you, as in you qdrop, are told that your favorite rapper, whoever they maybe, is hip-hop, they are marketed as such. does that mean your favorite rapper isnt hip-hop..

i think the whole "real hip-hop" thing is just a convenient way for people to hate hip-hop music that doesnt appeal to them and a nice way for them to stay stuck in the past while they come off as if protecting hip-hop. the arguments against rappers like 50 or whoever is the mainstream posterboy at the time can usually be easily applied to the favaorite rappers of those who cry foul. hip-hop really isnt as elitist as its listeners are or wish it to be. hip-hop would be so confined and limted if the "real"ers had their way

[Qdrop]

well then he should be looked upon as an even bigger violater being that he, and rakim and others, is seen as this almighty artist who has done so much for hip-hop and representing hip-hop tot he highest degree and yet do their own moves that are "sell-out" but that gets a pass for some reason.
no, sorry man....
you can't through the baby out with the bathwater.

yes, KRS did a remix with puff daddy for Step Into a World (even though that track is basically calling him and others like him out), and i've seen funny mag articles showing KRS's contradictory quotes and what not.

yeah, Rakim is seen holding a wad of cash and a gold chain on Paid in Full...

yeah....

but that's not what their all about at all.

jesus....look at thier catalogue....look at all of their songs and the depth.
look at the intelligence and presence of mind they displayed.
look at the ground rules they put down.
look at the amazing skill they had lyrically...
look at the respect they gained from those that didn't even like rap.

no compare that to 50 cent or the game.

tell me, how many KRS hats or shirts do you have....or Rakim shirts?
ever even seen one?
footwear?

fuck man....that's all 50 and g-unit are: fucking commercials. they (and their corporate bosses) just play the strings on the feedback loop for the public.
it's all about selling.

plus, come on....50 can't rap to save his fuckin ass.


as for the whole what is hip-hop or why 50 isnt hip hop,,this shit isnt going anywhere i believe and know they're hip-hop as much as you know they arent. that's a cop-out.
extrapolate.

[ET]

tell me, how many KRS hats or shirts do you have....or Rakim shirts?
ever even seen one?
footwear?

I have seen these though.
http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=49020

[Qdrop]

insert last second edit:
"you are TOLD that it's hip hop...it is MARKETED as such."

yeah but you, as in you qdrop, are told that your favorite rapper, whoever they maybe, is hip-hop, they are marketed as such. does that mean your favorite rapper isnt hip-hop..
no one tells me shit.

i just listen and it becomes apparent.

their are plenty of hip hop acts, past and present, that people bolster up....that i really think are over-rated.

but exposure, MTV and record sales does not dictate what i like.

i think the whole "real hip-hop" thing is just a convenient way for people to hate hip-hop music that doesnt appeal to them and a nice way for them to stay stuck in the past while they come off as if protecting hip-hop.
a valid point.

cept i love plenty of contemporary and mainstream hip-hop.
for example, i love Eminem....well, his last album blew....but i think he's fucking great.


the arguments against rappers like 50 or whoever is the mainstream posterboy at the time can usually be easily applied to the favaorite rappers of those who cry foul.
really? examples please.

[Extra Cheese]

50 cent commericials!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah he did do commercials and so did krs-one, thats why i cant take you people crying real hip-hop and all that other bullshit serious. you see what you want to see.

you just turn a blind eye to krs with his sprite commercials, his nike commercial!!!! did you catch a case of the amnesia there???

"look at the intelligence and presence of mind they displayed." his whole shit,which your familiar with since you pointed me towards his catalogue, gets all queered with his decisions. his "the revolution will not be televised" on a fucking nike commercial!!!!!!!!

and rakim aka rakim allah, the god. selling his ass for commercials and big ass billboards in the hood for liquor meanwhile his preaching his allah islam bullshit but becomes a soldier to advertise alcohol to his neighborhoods.

and that goes for a bunch of these real rap fucks

[Qdrop]

you just turn a blind eye to krs with his sprite commercials, his nike commercial!!!! did you catch a case of the amnesia there???

"look at the intelligence and presence of mind they displayed." his whole shit,which your familiar with since you pointed me towards his catalogue, gets all queered with his decisions. his "the revolution will not be televised" on a fucking nike commercial!!!!!!!!

and rakim aka rakim allah, the god. selling his ass for commercials and big ass billboards in the hood for liquor meanwhile his preaching his allah islam bullshit but becomes a soldier to advertise alcohol to his neighborhoods.


yes, all valid.
and i didn't appreciate that either.

but again....you are throwing out the baby with the bathwater....saying KRS and Rakim are no better than 50 and others like him...
that is complete bullshit.

skills wise, they don't compare....

catalogue wise.....they don't compare.

and while you can point to sprite commercials as negatives (and valid ones), you cannot gloss over the vast positives both of those men gave to hip hop.

Krs and his sprite commercial is simply not comparable to G-unit which IS a fucking commercial.
they sell this whole fuckin gangsta, drug dealer, gun toting, image to sell. period.

Krs "reflects" to educate.

50 cent and G-unit "project" to sell.

(if you need me to explain that, i can )


you don't have to be perfect to produce good....

[DipDipDive]

This argument is completely useless. The state of music isn't going to change, and all of this stuff you're saying, Qdrop, can be applied to all genres of music. It's not just about "black face" ( :rolleyes: ) or the MTV generation. Shania Twain is shit compared to Patsy Cline. Alicia Keys is shit compared to Aretha Franklin. Most present-day, mainstream music is shit compared to its predecessor and/or its underground or independent counterpart. But you have to ask yourself this... If it were the other way around and the more talented underground or independent artist suddenly blew up, would you be saying the same thing about them? Is this an argument about talent or clever marketing? Because if it's one about talent, that is a matter of opinion. If it's one about clever marketing, there's nothing you can do about it because what is marketable will continue to be marketed.

[Extra Cheese]

yes, all valid.
and i didn't appreciate that either.

but again....you are throwing out the baby with the bathwater....saying KRS and Rakim are no better than 50 and others like him...
that is complete bullshit.

skills wise, they don't compare....

catalogue wise.....they don't compare.

and while you can point to sprite commercials as negatives (and valid ones), you cannot gloss over the vast positives both of those men gave to hip hop.

Krs and his sprite commercial is simply not comparable to G-unit which IS a fucking commercial.
they sell this whole fuckin gangsta, drug dealer, gun toting, image to sell. period.

Krs "reflects" to educate.

50 cent and G-unit "project" to sell.

(if you need me to explain that, i can )


you don't have to be perfect to produce good....

"skills wise, they don't compare....
catalogue wise.....they don't compare."
fine but that wasnt one of your initial complains about 50 and company, one of the probelms you had was about their commerical dealings which are comparable to those of krs-one, the father of real

"Krs and his sprite commercial is simply not comparable to G-unit which IS a fucking commercial."
g-unit is not a commercial thats just a personal biased opinion. they both have questionable commercial works and are comparable


"they sell this whole fuckin gangsta, drug dealer, gun toting, image to sell. period."
and krs one sold his own image of righteousness, anti-establishment. 50 and company never said anything like krs has about being positve and educating (minus the whole recent 50/game we for the children so we'll stop our beef thing) krs has built his hip-hop reputuation on being this righteous dude, so i think his actions are worse than anyone elses. his nike commerical with his take on the gil scott heron's song makes him seem like such a fraud. think about what message "the revolution will not be televised" was meant to have then think about what message krs one reciting "the revolution will not be televised" in a nike commercial is meant to have, educate the youth? bring awareness to black struggles? not really.

[Qdrop]

It's not just about "black face" ( :rolleyes: ) or the MTV generation.
ahh but it is.

Shania Twain is shit compared to Patsy Cline. Alicia Keys is shit compared to Aretha Franklin. Most present-day, mainstream music is shit compared to its predecessor and/or its underground or independent counterpart. i'm not even saying that.
this really isn't simply about "old is better than new."

But you have to ask yourself this... If it were the other way around and the more talented underground or independent artist suddenly blew up, would you be saying the same thing about them?
no no.
my sentimements have nothing to with "if it's popular then it sucks." that's not the connection i'm making. it's more along the lines of "WHY is it popular."

Is this an argument about talent or clever marketing?
both.

Because if it's one about talent, that is a matter of opinion.
i suppose, but logic has to come in somewhere.

If it's one about clever marketing, there's nothing you can do about it because what is marketable will continue to be marketed. not if we reject it and stop buying it.
we have the power....entirely.

[DipDipDive]

not if we reject it and stop buying it.
we have the power....entirely.

Yes, I agree. Which is precisely why I choose not to buy it... Not so much because of the corporate whore aspect, but more because I think 50 and The Game are horrible MCs. But ya know what? Some people disagree. If they think the shit is catchy, they're going to buy it and it's as simple as that.

[Qdrop]

"skills wise, they don't compare....
catalogue wise.....they don't compare."
fine but that wasnt one of your initial complains about 50 and company, that's always been a main complaint i have with them. all this success with no talent to show for it.


"they sell this whole fuckin gangsta, drug dealer, gun toting, image to sell. period."
and krs one sold his own image of righteousness, anti-establishment. 50 and company never said anything like krs has about being positve and educating (minus the whole recent 50/game we for the children so we'll stop our beef thing) krs has built his hip-hop reputuation on being this righteous dude, so i think his actions are worse than anyone elses. his nike commerical with his take on the gil scott heron's song makes him seem like such a fraud. think about what message "the revolution will not be televised" was meant to have then think about what message krs one reciting "the revolution will not be televised" in a nike commercial is meant to have, educate the youth? bring awareness to black struggles? not really.
first off....i think we should expand this to more than just krs one and rakim...
i mean, you got Del, kool kieth, a hunderd others....

but while KRS may have stumbled in his quest to become more popular but still retain street cred for skills and rightousness...
G-unit, right out the gate, said fuck it...we're about killing, drugs, money and fuckin ho's....

and why do you think that was? cause they were "being real"?

or cause they wanted to sell?

what do you think is the reasoning behind their video's?
to show "how they do" in the street?....or to sell an image that they think thier demographic wants to see?....the feedback loop.

what do you think sells more: gansta bitch fuckin violence....or hip-hop righteousness?

hmmmm.....

you think 50 and those g-unit fucks are all "real"?....to me, someone who got shot 9 times ain't gangsta....they're fucking stupid moving targets who couldn't keep thier noses clean.

tell me, though....why do you think G-unit sells? cause of thier lyrics? production? talent?

or image?

do you think Krs or Del sell cause of thier "image"?


look at the selling point of the people you are defending.

then ask yourself how that effects the industry.

if people sell because of their image (and intense marketing) first , talent a distant second.....what does that do the music industry?

what will this continue to do the music industry?

[Extra Cheese]

all this is just an excuse to hate hip-hop you dont like.

"G-unit, right out the gate, said fuck it...we're about killing, drugs, money and fuckin ho's"
well if they came right out the gate saying they're about making money wheres the problem? is all of hip-hop like that? no it isnt but it makes it easy for you to hate it cuz its not your thing... but instead of just letting it be people like you keep attacking this aspect of hip-hop...


"you think 50 and those g-unit fucks are all "real"?....to me, someone who got shot 9 times ain't gangsta....they're fucking stupid moving targets who couldn't keep thier noses clean."
whether they're stupid or whatever isnt the point, they make hip-hop music and are hip-hop.


"tell me, though....why do you think G-unit sells? cause of thier lyrics? production? talent?or image?"
a combination of all of those. theres plenty of people who will admit that they have skills and are good.

"if people sell because of their image (and intense marketing) first , talent a distant second.....what does that do the music industry?"
thats not anything new. selling an image in music ahead of talent is nothing new. so again if its not new wheres the problem? since you're already aware that it happens you could choose to ignore that that type of hip-hop. it comes back to people having dumbass elitist attitudes. this is one part of hip hop that you could ignore.

i'm out, peace.

[Qdrop]

all this is just an excuse to hate hip-hop you dont like.
i don't need an excuse to hate it.


well if they came right out the gate saying they're about making money wheres the problem? you're kidding, right?

is all of hip-hop like that? no it isnt, but it makes it easy for you to hate it cuz its not your thing... but instead of just letting it be, people like you keep attacking this aspect of hip-hop...
i'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here.

why should i let it be?
are you preaching apathy?

that's sad.


whether they're stupid or whatever isnt the point, they make hip-hop music and are hip-hop. tautology.
no point was made.


a combination of all of those. theres plenty of people who will admit that they have skills and are good.
funny, though.
those people have a REEEEEAAAAL hard time defending them as "talented" when under scrutiny.
you, for instance.


thats not anything new. selling an image in music ahead of talent is nothing new. so again if its not new wheres the problem?
are you even thinking before you type?

since you're already aware that it happens you could choose to ignore that that type of hip-hop. it comes back to people having dumbass elitist attitudes. this is one part of hip hop that you could ignore.
again, you preach apathy.

yes, you truly are part of the MTV generation.

"what ever...who cares?....no biggy....what ever.....i'm out..."


i'm out, peace.
exactly.

[The Notorious LOL]

thing is 50 and crew changed very little about their style or image when they were signed. His early stuff sounds pretty similar to his newer stuff, different production maybe but for the most part its all kind of the same. More than likely had he not been shot he would have came out on columbia, sold maybe a 1/4 of what he did and the majority of people here who bitch about him would have nothing bad to say about him.


Wasnt COMMON in a fuckin coca cola commercial?

[Qdrop]

thing is 50 and crew changed very little about their style or image when they were signed. His early stuff sounds pretty similar to his newer stuff, different production maybe but for the most part its all kind of the same. More than likely had he not been shot he would have came out on columbia, sold maybe a 1/4 of what he did and the majority of people here who bitch about him would have nothing bad to say about him.

image starts before being signed.
the industry (all part of the feedback loop) is looking for GANGSTA rappers because that's what's hot and what sells.

you think those that signed him and promoted him (eminem on up) didn't know this?

you think 50 and g-unit didn't know this?
you think 50 and loyd banks spent thier whole lives with scowls on thier faces?

come on, man.
Em wanted someone to market....50 fit the mold for the demographic he wanted to hit. aftermath and interscope saw the value too....
and scooped up G-unit too....
50 and G-unit planned for this...they sculpted thier whole image for this moment...to attract this kind of attention....cause this is what's on MTV and BET and they wanted a piece of that (that pesky feedback loop again).

seriously, you think Em heard 50 cent and said "wow, he can rap....wow."

riiiight.


and people bitch about it so much partly because he IS so popular...but with no talent to back it up.
he's the black/male britany spears.

so many of us can see right through the bullshit marketing and see this....it's maddening.

why can't you see it?

Wasnt COMMON in a fuckin coca cola commercial? jesus....why do you mainstream lovers think this line of questioning is the fucking "holy grail" in your defense?

"well, "so and so" did a commercial too...sooo.......their no better."

sorry man....doin a commercial is differant than BEING a commercial.
that ain't gonna save you.

don't you get tired of playing the apologist role for this shit music?

[Extra Cheese]

its always all so convenient to make excuses for the rappers you like.

seriously,, if you seen one of these "real" hip hop guys you've seen them all. full of excuses

[Qdrop]

its always all so convenient to make excuses for the rappers you like.
who's making excuses?
i ain't backing anyone for making commercials.
it's fucking wack no matter who you are.
period.

but doin a commercial is differant than BEING a commercial. those 2 things aren't equal.

understand that.


seriously,, if you seen one of these "real" hip hop guys you've seen them all. full of excuses
right back at cha'...

[ASsman]

G-G-G-G-Unit!

[Gareth]

i ain't goin nowhere so you can get to know me

[SobaViolence]

i said the dude's rhymes are shit.

that's all.

you can assume all you fucking want. i actually like the beats, but music to me means more than a catchy hook.

substance counts. so fuck you, buddy.

[ET]

I don't give a fuck about substance if I get songs like Hate It Or Love It. I think Game is a little bitch but that beat is nuts.

Hell no I didn't pay for it.

[alruggs]

what a silly argument. it's like comparing a hamburger to steak. sure, steak is great, but sometimes you just want a greasy hamburger.