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Qdrop
04-27-2005, 08:11 AM
same old schtick.....but worth keeping an eye on....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7644056/

Kansas revisits the evolution debate
A more conservative State Board of Education will review science standards

By John Hanna
Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press
Updated: 5:14 p.m. ET April 26, 2005

TOPEKA, Kan. - Students in Lisa Volland's advanced biology class examine flowers, lemons and corn under the microscope, pondering how the plants evolved over time to improve their chances of survival.

The Topeka West High School teacher does not discuss the biblical story of creation or "intelligent design," just "the big e-word," as she jokingly calls it.

"I don't think you can talk about living organisms without talking about evolution," she said. "We don't talk about religion."

Classrooms like Volland's have come under scrutiny — again — in Kansas' seesawing battle between left and right over the teaching of evolution.

The battle could heat up over the coming weeks, with Kansas' State Board of Education expected to revise its science standards in June.

Shifting majority
In 1999, the board deleted most references to evolution in the standards, bringing international ridicule and wisecracks from late-night comedians. Elections the next year made the board less conservative, resulting in the current standards describing evolution as a key concept for students to learn.

Last year's elections gave conservatives a majority again, 6-4. A subcommittee plans six days of hearings in May, and advocates of intelligent design plan to put nearly two dozen witnesses on the stand to critique evolution.

National and state science organizations plan to boycott the hearings, contending they are going to be rigged in favor of intelligent design.

"We are concerned that the hearings will be an attempt to give scientific credibility to a nonscientific concept," said Alan Leshner, chief executive of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

Evolution and intelligent design
Evolution says that species change in response to environmental and genetic factors over the course of many generations. Intelligent design — viewed by many scientists as merely repackaged creationism — holds there is evidence that the universe was designed by some kind of higher power.

At a minimum, conservative groups like the Discovery Institute want to see science lessons in Kansas include more criticism of evolution.

"We don't think any textbook is good in presenting the scientific weaknesses," said John West of the Seattle-based organization.

Scientists fear that that will open the door eventually to incorporating intelligent design and creationism.

Similar battles have been waged in the past few years in Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Ohio's state school board adopted lesson plans last year that were praised by intelligent design supporters.

'Hear both sides'
Some Kansans are uneasy about evolution because of their religious faith and want to see alternatives given equal time in the classroom.

"Students ought to be given the opportunity to hear both sides," said Angel Dillard, the mother of two Wichita girls.

The state board's standards determine what is on statewide tests, but local school boards decide what is actually taught and which textbooks are used.

In Volland's Topeka district, for example, little or nothing is said about creationism and intelligent design in biology classes.

Similarly, at Blue Valley Northwest High in the Kansas City suburb of Overland Park, teachers do not have to mention alternative theories, but biology teacher Jeremy Mohn did so anyway this spring, in addition to spending a month talking about evolution, including why peacocks have long tails.

Topics for teenagers
At Topeka West High, Stephanie Bailey, a 14-year-old who previously attended a Lutheran school, is skeptical of evolution, particularly the notion that man and other animals have common ancestors. "Scientists don't have all the answers," she said.

But Emily Hane, a 17-year-old in Volland's class, said: "If you don't understand evolution, you don't really understand biology."

In any case, she said, creationism has, in fact, come up in school — in history class, when the topic was the 1925 Scopes Monkey Trial, in which a Dayton, Tenn., teacher was convicted of teaching evolution.

"We're being exposed to ideas other than evolution," Hane said.
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"Stephanie Bailey,(known as mary-sue-beth to her friends) a 14-year-old who previously attended a Lutheran school, is skeptical of evolution, particularly the notion that man and other animals have common ancestors. "Scientists don't have all the answers," she said."

Stephanie also thinks that black people smell funny, thinks oxy cotin is fun, thinks her cousin is hot, and feels that "if you make fun of president bush, you should be arrested".

Stephanie also does not know how to spell "skeptical".

good for you, Stephanie.

Ace42
04-27-2005, 08:54 AM
See, if my mouth wasn't full, I'd interject - it's your country. maaannn.

Qdrop
04-27-2005, 09:18 AM
See, if my mouth wasn't full, I'd interject - it's your country. maaannn.

does europe have this problem....with backwards, dogmatic, religious zealotry?

EN[i]GMA
04-27-2005, 01:59 PM
does europe have this problem....with backwards, dogmatic, religious zealotry?

Yeah, except their problem kills filmakers.

Not that I'm defending our fanatics.

As a resident of Ohio, I just shake my head. How something with no science supporting it can get into a science book is beyond me.

Religion sucks.

ASsman
04-27-2005, 04:31 PM
Dicks, all of them.


Pretty sure a nice drunken Catholic beating should fix any "evolutionasm" believers.

Ace42
04-27-2005, 04:41 PM
does europe have this problem....with backwards, dogmatic, religious zealotry?

Only when the BBC put on a comedy musical number based on Jerry Springer. That makes them all come out of the woodwork. Beside that, we're all very secular around here.

ms.peachy
04-28-2005, 09:25 AM
Only when the BBC put on a comedy musical number based on Jerry Springer. That makes them all come out of the woodwork. Beside that, we're all very secular around here.

One of the things that I quite like about (most) people here is that even if they are quite religious, they tend to regard their faith as a private matter. With the exception of a few fringe elements (the Abu Hamzas of the land), people seem to feel that it is quite enough to practise one faith quietly and respectfully, and not go shouting about it in the streets.

But then, one must take into consideration that America was, essentially, founded by those fringe elements Europe couldn't wait to be rid of, so consequently we get to have the highest percentage of wackdoodles. And so in Europe ye reap what ye have sown, in a way.

Qdrop
04-28-2005, 09:34 AM
But then, one must take into consideration that America was, essentially, founded by those fringe elements Europe couldn't wait to be rid of, so consequently we get to have the highest percentage of wackdoodles.

exactly, people tend to forget that this country (US) was initially founded by what would amount to the religious fundamentalists of thier time.

one would just think that 300-400 years, and the evolution to the richest and most powerful country in the world, would be enough to break those old chains and accept secular enlightenment.

ASsman
04-28-2005, 09:37 AM
Bunch of fucking crackers.

checkyourprez
04-28-2005, 03:07 PM
Bunch of fucking crackers.


never really looked at your sig till right now. actually pretty funny, and pretty fucked up at the same time. but thats life ay.



and on the topic at hand, kansas and the rest of everyone below penn besides the west coast should become a new country.

id like to see how that would work out.

ASsman
04-28-2005, 03:25 PM
God would send a massive Earthquake to seperate Florida from the civilized world.