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DroppinScience

05-02-2005, 03:33 AM

whom the fuck is we?
what is it? mellow rock like coldplay or some shit.
like my sig suggests, no mellow music

That's pretty sad that you don't know who New Order is. Not only that, but you're dead set on hating them solely because of Sandinista. :(

Anyways, they're nothing like Coldplay.

First there was Joy Division (if you don't know them as well, also check it out) and Ian Curtis hung himself. The surviving members went on to form New Order. The short way of describing it is that N.O. is like J.D. only they're in a much better mood (JD was all brooding and dark) and make some great tunes to dance to.

I doubt you'd enjoy them since they're not metal, but you're free to prove me wrong.

synch

05-02-2005, 03:38 AM

Turn off your trite pseudo-metal and get some New Order. We'll make a decent individual out of you yet.
You've said many dubious things about music on this board but I think calling Kill 'em All "pseudo-metal" is a new low. I could be wrong though, there have been so many statements from you...

Humiliation

05-02-2005, 04:00 AM

I quite like new order/joy division. It has more musical sense to it than metallica does plus metallica all sounds the same. Also i've hated metallica ever since they got rid of napster.

Tzar

05-02-2005, 05:42 AM

Also i've hated metallica ever since they got rid of napster.

you're obviously a stupid geek cunt who downloads albums instead of going out and buying them. go fuck off, seriously... you think it was just Metallica who closed napster? Lars speadheaded it - yes, but he wasn't the only playah involved. you're gonna go and hate a band because they shut down an internet program??? you suck major cock, geek.

if beastie's closed down limewire or winmx or whatever - i couldn't give two shits. you can always go out and buy records.

all metallica sounds the same? what? you expect them to do hiphop on one album, then heavy metal on the next? what the fuck....

AND for those who said i've never heard of new order - i ain't as old as you guys :p

scotty

05-02-2005, 07:18 AM

Jeez, Tzar, you're in a bad mood today. Given your fondness for the heavy stuff, I'm guessing you wont like New Order that much. I recommend you have a listen to them, particularly Blue Monday. You might like the kick-drum action in that one.

Kill 'Em All is the only Metallica album worth owning (Seek and Destroy is awesome metal), I reckon.

synch

05-02-2005, 07:20 AM

I'd extend that to the first four albums and would add the fifth for sentimental reasons :)

But I understand if anyone says that one doesn't count :(

Parkey

05-02-2005, 07:47 AM

May I point out that when someone has killed themselves through the act of hanging, you should say they have been 'hanged' not 'hung'. It's a pet hate of mine...

Also, New Order have made some amazing records (as did Joy Division) and can lay claim to many sounds now prevelant in popular culture. However, their new stuff is SHIT.

BGirl

05-02-2005, 09:10 AM

New Order... takes me back. I haven't heard the new stuff (except on the Gwen Stefani CD) but I was really into them in the 80s. I remember seeing them live along with Sugarcubes (Bjork's old band, for the young uns who may not know) and Public Image Limited. That was a great concert! Ah, the days.

An interesting bit of trivia: the cover art for the Shellshock 12" consists of a detail of the wall that's on the cover of Blondie's Autoamerican. I was reminded of this recently going through my vinyl when I pulled out Shellshock. I wanted to confirm this about the cover but discovered to my extreme dismay that my copy of Autoamerican has gone missing! :eek: :( (I'm really bummed about this because it was my first "grownup" album, got it for my birthday when I was 10 or 11. I don't know what the heck's happened to it :( )

Anyway, New Order... yeah.

afronaut

05-02-2005, 09:17 AM

No mellow music eh? Look like we've got another Sandinista esque gimmi, i mean member, and possibly just as idiotic.

cosmo105

05-02-2005, 09:18 AM

i hate all of you so much

BGirl

05-02-2005, 09:24 AM

^ Hey! And I just wrote you a sympathetic note about your apartment mishap.

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.

Teh

05-02-2005, 09:27 AM

At least New Order are creative. They've had some amazing records, despite the new album being shit.

Metallica just beat their guitars and scream.

DroppinScience

05-02-2005, 12:42 PM

No mellow music eh? Look like we've got another Sandinista esque gimmi, i mean member, and possibly just as idiotic.

I was thinking the same thing myself.

:rolleyes:

EN[i]GMA

05-02-2005, 02:03 PM

I took the cunts advice and DLd some New Order a while back. I must say, some of it's pretty good, but some of it is boring and repetitive.

Temptation, Blue Monday and Bizzare Love Triangle are all first class however.

cosmo105

05-02-2005, 02:05 PM

yeah, agreed. it is repetitive. some of it's good, but most of it, i couldn't stand more than a few minutes...

RobMoney

05-02-2005, 02:09 PM

Joy Division,.....New Order???? .......

You guys have to be joking right,..."Boy George and the Culture Club" made more releavent music

Please tell me this is a joke!

cosmo105

05-02-2005, 02:10 PM

STRIKE 1!!

:rolleyes:

BGirl

05-02-2005, 02:27 PM

there's no accounting for taste, as my mom always said

DroppinScience

05-02-2005, 03:02 PM

Joy Division,.....New Order???? .......

You guys have to be joking right,..."Boy George and the Culture Club" made more releavent music

Please tell me this is a joke!

Please tell me YOUR post was a joke. :(

RobMoney

05-02-2005, 03:05 PM

STRIKE 1!!

:rolleyes:

Lets just drop the formalities and go straight to strike 3, shall we?

The ball's in your court!!

cosmo105

05-02-2005, 03:07 PM

you tell me what i'm supposed to do here. do i start a nasty pm war, post some threatening messages about how badly i'd mess you up if we ever were to meet?

grow up, douche.

mickill

05-02-2005, 03:10 PM

Dear God. Please, someone put this miserable thread out of it's...uh, misery. Why can't you just enjoy listening to Metallica AND Joy Division AND New Order. ? I mean, I do it all the time. Get some variety in your diets, man. All of you. Well, not ALL, but most of you. Now please, someone...anyone...burn or drown or just blow this thread up. Please. I'd personally opt to just stab it in the face, but I'm busy right now.

DroppinScience

05-02-2005, 03:16 PM

Teh

05-02-2005, 03:19 PM

RobMoney

05-02-2005, 03:24 PM

you tell me what i'm supposed to do here. do i start a nasty pm war, post some threatening messages about how badly i'd mess you up if we ever were to meet?

grow up, douche.

You're the one who started this shit in this thread cosmo, not me
Like I said, the balls' in YOUR court how YOU wanna handle it

Teh

05-02-2005, 03:27 PM

Cosmo said it best, man. Grow up. What age are you, seriously? Threatening people like you do? That's high school behaviour man. I don't think it's a coincidence that you posted just after Cosmo. What are you doing, e-stalking her, taking a stab whenever she posts?

Seriously, grow the fuck up.

cosmo105

05-02-2005, 03:31 PM

You're the one who started this shit in this thread cosmo, not me
Like I said, the balls' in YOUR court how YOU wanna handle it
i'll handle it by just ignoring your dumbass barking as usual.

RobMoney

05-02-2005, 03:34 PM

Robmoney, you're a real fucking moron. That statement has no fact in it at all. If you say that Joy Division haven't had any influence at all then it says something about your knowledge and taste in music.

I get the impression you're just oxymoronical for the sake of it. Either that or really, really really fucking dumb. I've seen evidence of both.

Yeah,...umm
Glad to see you've got the whole musical world figured out at the ripe old age of 18

I'll admit I don't know too much about this band. I've barely heard of this band outside of a few people here who seem to worship them. I have to think if they were that good I would have heard more about them from somewhere else.

Sorry I don't like your favorite band,...but it's not the end of the world

RobMoney

05-02-2005, 03:34 PM

i'll handle it by just ignoring your dumbass barking as usual.

Then why did you post a sarcastic reply in the first place?

TEH,....re-read this thread,...SHE posted immediatley after I did with "Strike 1".....I said nothing to Cosmo until she made a sarcastic post to me.

I need to get away from you retards

ToucanSpam

05-02-2005, 03:35 PM

wow everyone cool out. I wanna hear more about New Order.

Tzar

05-02-2005, 05:34 PM

afronaut - me the new sandinista???? no way, son. i ain't that sad. i ain't saying i won't listen to new order or joy division or whatever - i'm just saying there's been so much hype about them recently, and that i couldn't understand it (probably due to the fact i'm younger than you's)

so what if i don't like mellow music - i want to listen to music that is entertaining and upbeat, not depressing and makes you wanna slash your wrists. from the previous posts i see that NO/JD don't seem to be mellow, more dance rock stuff. meh. give me their overall best song - when i say best - i say "a song that everyone would recommend" and i'll check it out.

and for anywho said i was angry - any true metallica fan would get pissed off with what Humiliation said. i was pretty soft to what i've seen before (metallica boards etc).

EN[i]GMA

05-02-2005, 06:05 PM

Check out Temptation by New Order.

It's poppy but still very 'real' at the same time.

And it has incredible lyrics. Some of the best ever, possibly.

cosmo105

05-02-2005, 06:06 PM

"Regret" is one of my favorite songs of all time.

afronaut

05-02-2005, 06:08 PM

so what if i don't like mellow music - i want to listen to music that is entertaining and upbeat, not depressing and makes you wanna slash your wrists. from the previous posts i see that NO/JD don't seem to be mellow, more dance rock stuff. meh. give me their overall best song - when i say best - i say "a song that everyone would recommend" and i'll check it out.

Mellow = depressing? There is much mellow music that's the total opposite of depressing and suicidal. Like, a large majority of it. Emotions and life are very nuanced and wide ranging, and music, as an art, is supposed to reflect that, and is just as nuanced. being mellow, "hard", upbeat, depressing, happy, sad, etc etc. I imagine someone who would make a statement such as "no mellow music" doesn't, dare I say, understand the full extent, purpose, beauty, and point of music, art, and music as an art. Its about on the same level as a 15 year old claiming the beatles suck.

and it seems to me the majority of depressing "slash your wrist" type music is in the heavier metal, industrial, goth, etc genres of music.

PS Joy Division is indeed depressing "slash your wrist" type music. New Order arent though.

Tzar

05-02-2005, 07:28 PM

Mellow = depressing? There is much mellow music that's the total opposite of depressing and suicidal. Like, a large majority of it. Emotions and life are very nuanced and wide ranging, and music, as an art, is supposed to reflect that, and is just as nuanced. being mellow, "hard", upbeat, depressing, happy, sad, etc etc. I imagine someone who would make a statement such as "no mellow music" doesn't, dare I say, understand the full extent, purpose, beauty, and point of music, art, and music as an art. Its about on the same level as a 15 year old claiming the beatles suck.

i understand that. that mellower type of music i do consider an art form but at the same time music is entertainment and a release if you will. i like to enjoy my music and feel good about listening to it. but if i've just had a shit day, i ain't gonna come home and listen to coldplay or bands like that. meh

and it seems to me the majority of depressing "slash your wrist" type music is in the heavier metal, industrial, goth, etc genres of music.

yeah i know what ya mean there. i ain't into that kinda metal. i like hard rock/metal. heavy metal is probably the only metal i'd listen to. bands like metallica/motorhead/anthrax etc. none of that marilyn manson, perfect circle stuff.

PS Joy Division is indeed depressing "slash your wrist" type music. New Order arent though.

well i ain't into that shit. i'll take some notes and download those songs when i get home.

peace.

GetYourWarOn

05-02-2005, 08:40 PM

greatest thread ever.

edit: except for all the joy division/new order bashing. that just sucks.

GetYourWarOn

05-02-2005, 08:41 PM

GMA']Check out Temptation by New Order.

It's poppy but still very 'real' at the same time.

And it has incredible lyrics. Some of the best ever, possibly.

*post of the day*

GetYourWarOn

05-02-2005, 08:45 PM

wow everyone cool out. I wanna hear more about New Order.

have you listened to True Faith? it's their most succesful song, i believe...and one of my favorites. (y)

Humiliation

05-03-2005, 12:46 AM

you're obviously a stupid geek cunt who downloads albums instead of going out and buying them. go fuck off, seriously... you think it was just Metallica who closed napster? Lars speadheaded it - yes, but he wasn't the only playah involved. you're gonna go and hate a band because they shut down an internet program??? you suck major cock, geek.

if beastie's closed down limewire or winmx or whatever - i couldn't give two shits. you can always go out and buy records.

all metallica sounds the same? what? you expect them to do hiphop on one album, then heavy metal on the next? what the fuck....

AND for those who said i've never heard of new order - i ain't as old as you guys :p

I meant for that to be an extra reason I don't like them and rather not getting rid of it but complaining when even limp bizkit turned around and said they didn't care. And it sounds more the same than, dare I say it, slipknot and other metal bands.

And for the record I have NEVER downloaded more than a few songs off napster and kazaa ect. I ALWAYS bought the album afterwards if I liked it but I'm not willing to fork out the money only to find I don't like it.

Humiliation

05-03-2005, 12:50 AM

Yeah,...umm
Glad to see you've got the whole musical world figured out at the ripe old age of 18

Your remark proves that you don't know too much either. I liked you before but that was stupid.

JD/NO influenced bands like the dears, interpol and i'm sure more but my knowledge on that kind of music is limited. They were basically just after punk came back in and killed prog rock which i guess makes them pretty influencial.

Mr_Complex

05-03-2005, 02:07 AM

have you listened to True Faith? it's their most succesful song, i believe...and one of my favorites. (y)

No, Blue Monday is their most successful. It's still sold the highest selling 8" record ever, or something like that.

BGirl

05-03-2005, 02:08 AM

GMA']Check out Temptation by New Order.

It's poppy but still very 'real' at the same time.

And it has incredible lyrics. Some of the best ever, possibly.

another vote for this track, one of my faves :) (y)

Mr_Complex

05-03-2005, 02:12 AM

Top 5 New Order:

1. Blue Monday
2. Bizarre Love Triangle
3. Regret
4. True Faith
5. 1964.

RobMoney

05-03-2005, 07:10 AM

Like them or not,...I'm pretty sure Metallica will be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

....and I'm just as sure that New Order/ Joy Division won't be.

that's all I'm sayin.

BGirl

05-03-2005, 07:19 AM

I'm pretty sure my boy Andy Pettitte won't make the baseball hall of fame either as things are turning out but that doesn't make him any less of a kickass pitcher or any less important to the history of the game. (y)

Parkey

05-03-2005, 07:28 AM

Like them or not,...I'm pretty sure Metallica will be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

....and I'm just as sure that New Order/ Joy Division won't be.

that's all I'm sayin.
The Rock Hall of Fame! ha! Along such luminaries as U2, Ozzy Osbourne...

I bet New Order are weeping loud tonight. They're one of the most influential bands of the past 3 decades and are rightly revered even by those who can't stand their output.

GetYourWarOn

05-03-2005, 08:53 AM

No, Blue Monday is their most successful. It's still sold the highest selling 8" record ever, or something like that.

I meant succesful in terms of billboard success. I always thought that true faith was their highest charting single. i really don't know though. :confused:

GetYourWarOn

05-03-2005, 08:55 AM

Like them or not,...I'm pretty sure Metallica will be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

....and I'm just as sure that New Order/ Joy Division won't be.

that's all I'm sayin.

LOL. The rock and roll hall of fame - like the grammys - is a total joke.

Is Black Sabbath in there yet? I don't think they are.

cosmo105

05-03-2005, 10:03 AM

Like them or not,...I'm pretty sure Metallica will be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

....and I'm just as sure that New Order/ Joy Division won't be.

that's all I'm sayin.
hahahahaha that says a lot.

Teh

05-03-2005, 11:06 AM

I'll admit I don't know too much about this band. I've barely heard of this band outside of a few people here who seem to worship them. I have to think if they were that good I would have heard more about them from somewhere else.

Sorry I don't like your favorite band,...but it's not the end of the world

So you say you've never heard of this band, but yet you can say with total confidence that they were never influential? Jesus, you're full of it, aren't ya?

Just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they weren't influential. They were a key group in the post punk movement. I could go on about that for ages, but the fact remains that because you havent heard of them, doesn't mean they had no influence. Fuck, they could've been so much bigger had he not killed himself. If he hadn't they would've been far more widespread in America. It's amazing that they were as influential over here in such a short time.

I wasn't worked up over you not liking them. You made a retarded, uneducated statement regarding them so i felt i'd correct you. You made a really ignorant statement. What do you expect? I guess you were hoping Cosmo would pick up on it, allowing you to say "ooh she started it ooooh." About that, you posted right after cosmo with a pretty provoking statement to JD/New Order fans. It wasn't exactly subtle, man.

RobMoney

05-03-2005, 04:15 PM

I really don't care about this band and probably would not have replied to this thread at all if it wasn't for the comparasion to Metallica.

You can all go back to slitting your wrists in peace

Humiliation

05-04-2005, 02:05 AM

Doesn't make up for the fact you called saying they were influencial a joke. And anyway, metallica are more mainstream than New order is and joy division would have been.

Teh

05-04-2005, 11:26 AM

I really don't care about this band and probably would not have replied to this thread at all if it wasn't for the comparasion to Metallica.

You can all go back to slitting your wrists in peace

Oh, and don't forget the fact that Cosmo had just posted.

Maybe it'll teach you to keep your mouth shut unless you know what you're talking about, eh? Moron.

I think Joy Division would've been bigger than Metallica. They were so much better than New Order are now. Like i said before, all Metallica do is scream and rape their guitars. No originality.

RobMoney

05-04-2005, 04:20 PM

Oh, and don't forget the fact that Cosmo had just posted.

My post had nothing to do with her either you idiot.

Maybe it'll teach you to keep your mouth shut unless you know what you're talking about, eh? Moron.

Listen son, you called me a moron one too many times.

You should keep your pie-hole shut when grown folk are talkin or I'll be forced to smack it next time. Go in the corner and cry because everyone doesn't like you're fucking homo band you like......you little 18yo virgin. Go out and get a girlfriend like a normal 18yo and stop sitting behind your computer like a little geek whinning about your homo band. I just know you got your ass kicked by a kid wearing a Metallica T-shirt,...thats why you hate them isn't it TEH. Oh, by the way, nice screenname geek. The most unoriginal name in the history of the internet....more evidence of your geekiness.

I think Joy Division would've been bigger than Metallica. They were so much better than New Order are now. Like i said before, all Metallica do is scream and rape their guitars. No originality.

Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda,.....but DIDN"T.....

Just the fact that the dude killed himself tells me all I need to know about these losers. Dramatic little Nancy-boys whinning about how depressed they are, OOHHH, the drama of life,..I think I'll kill myself,....gimme a fuckin break!

Raping their guitars!!.......and you call me uneducated?....ever hear of Cliff Burton? ....yeah, thought not......so shut up

DroppinScience

05-04-2005, 04:23 PM

RobMoney,

You're a cool guy and everything, but seriously... listen to these bands before you jump to conclusions.

You may not like Joy Division because they ARE depressing and stuff.

But New Order is pretty much the exact opposite.

RobMoney

05-04-2005, 04:30 PM

DroppinScience

05-04-2005, 04:33 PM

I'm sure they're cool DS, this kid is just rubbing me the wrong way.

Ok then. Carry on. ;)

Documad

05-05-2005, 12:43 AM

Holy shit!!! This thread is the silliest thing I've seen in ages. Fighting over New Order vs. Metallica!!!

Rob needs to rent 24 Hour Party People because it's an accessible way to get a glimpse of the story.

And if he keeps attacking whiny crybaby music, I'm going to bring up his embarrassing Beatles thing. I've been holding that in my pocket to use against him someday, and that day might be coming.

Humiliation

05-05-2005, 01:09 AM

My post had nothing to do with her either you idiot.

Listen son, you called me a moron one too many times.

You should keep your pie-hole shut when grown folk are talkin or I'll be forced to smack it next time. Go in the corner and cry because everyone doesn't like you're fucking homo band you like......you little 18yo virgin. Go out and get a girlfriend like a normal 18yo and stop sitting behind your computer like a little geek whinning about your homo band. I just know you got your ass kicked by a kid wearing a Metallica T-shirt,...thats why you hate them isn't it TEH. Oh, by the way, nice screenname geek. The most unoriginal name in the history of the internet....more evidence of your geekiness.

Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda,.....but DIDN"T.....

Just the fact that the dude killed himself tells me all I need to know about these losers. Dramatic little Nancy-boys whinning about how depressed they are, OOHHH, the drama of life,..I think I'll kill myself,....gimme a fuckin break!

Raping their guitars!!.......and you call me uneducated?....ever hear of Cliff Burton? ....yeah, thought not......so shut up

No one ever challenged your knowledge on music only your knowledge of JD and NO which you admitted to never hearing of them when you said they were influencial. The point remains, you had no right to attack JD/NO and HARSHLY said they weren't influencial. At the very least you could have done a little research. And teh's attack on you wasn't the fact you didn't like them, it was the fact you made an uneducated assumption.

Plus you need to calm down (y) ;)

discopants

05-05-2005, 03:59 AM

BLUE MONDAY IS THE BEST SONG EVER. EVER EVER EVER.

RobMoney

05-05-2005, 06:06 AM

RobMoney

05-05-2005, 06:10 AM

No one ever challenged your knowledge on music only your knowledge of JD and NO which you admitted to never hearing of them when you said they were influencial. The point remains, you had no right to attack JD/NO and HARSHLY said they weren't influencial. At the very least you could have done a little research. And teh's attack on you wasn't the fact you didn't like them, it was the fact you made an uneducated assumption.

Plus you need to calm down (y) ;)

Dude,....how do you know I'm not calm?

Listen here son, I have kids your age,.....with guns :D

Tzar

05-05-2005, 09:42 AM

*cranks leper messiah and picks up an axe*

\m/

*and proceeds to headbang*

edit: oh and if anyone says metallica are crap? does close-to-100 million records sold over 20 odd years sound crap? they MUST be good enough.

im just waiting for the people to say shit like "100 million records mean nothing - just like the grammys" whinge whinge.

Teh

05-05-2005, 09:45 AM

You should keep your pie-hole shut when grown folk are talkin or I'll be forced to smack it next time. Go in the corner and cry because everyone doesn't like you're fucking homo band you like......you little 18yo virgin. Go out and get a girlfriend like a normal 18yo and stop sitting behind your computer like a little geek whinning about your homo band. I just know you got your ass kicked by a kid wearing a Metallica T-shirt,...thats why you hate them isn't it TEH. Oh, by the way, nice screenname geek. The most unoriginal name in the history of the internet....more evidence of your geekiness.

Just the fact that the dude killed himself tells me all I need to know about these losers. Dramatic little Nancy-boys whinning about how depressed they are, OOHHH, the drama of life,..I think I'll kill myself,....gimme a fuckin break!

Talk about the pinnacle of immaturity! I love the way you make statements about me like you know who i am. I should "shut my mouth when grown folk are talkin?" Well, no offence to you man, but you don't exactly come across as a "grown up." The quote pretty much proves that. I've said many times i'm really not upset about the fact you don't like Joy Division, the majority of people i know don't like them! What difference is one more? It's the fact that you, (yes, you, moron) in your typical arrogant, ignorant way made a completely uneducated statement about them. That's all i pointed out! I'm really not angry or pissed off here, you on the other hand..

Oh, and a minor detail, i'm actually 17. A normal 17 year old, at that. I've had girlfriends no bother. Wait, why should i deal with your retarded, immature statements? I know they have no truth in them whatsoever. I know 17 year olds that argue like you do.. you make fun of me because i'm a virgin? ... at 17? Where's the shame in that? Oh, of course, you were out getting laid before you could walk, weren't you? What the fuck? Seriously man, if i didn't know better i'd swear you were a spotty teenager yourself sitting at a pc trying to be tough.

I don't like Metallica because all their music sounds the same: laden with heavy, unoriginal guitar riffs and screaming vocals that really aren't anything special. You wanna hear some real guitar music? Why not download Eruption by Van Halen. Oh, shit man, didn't they do one depressing song while they were together? SHIT!

Oh, and guess what? I have heard of Cliff Burton. I never really liked metallica then either as you may have guessed, but i'm not running around making uneducated statements regarding Metallica (at least while he was still alive) am i? I've heard of Metallica, i've heard music of Metallica, and i am now in a position to say what i've said regarding them. I think you can learn a lesson here man. Calm down, count to ten, then turn off your pc.

Oh and Tzar? Just because they sold so many records doesn't change my opinion, and the opinion of many people i know also: Metallica still blow chunks in my mind. :)

Mr_Complex

05-05-2005, 10:18 AM

People calling other people virgins over the internet makes me cringe. It's the epitome of patheticness.

Teh

05-05-2005, 10:21 AM

People calling other people virgins over the internet makes me cringe. It's the epitome of patheticness.

My point exactly.

cosmo105

05-05-2005, 10:23 AM

People calling other people virgins over the internet makes me cringe. It's the epitome of patheticness.
as if being a virgin (especially at a young age) is something shameful. ridiculous. (n)

Freebasser

05-05-2005, 10:43 AM

Cosmo is still a virgin.

The pictures were photoshopped.

Documad

05-05-2005, 11:05 AM

So what I've learned from this thread is that Teh is pretty fucking cool.

DroppinScience

05-05-2005, 12:48 PM

edit: oh and if anyone says metallica are crap? does close-to-100 million records sold over 20 odd years sound crap? they MUST be good enough.

im just waiting for the people to say shit like "100 million records mean nothing - just like the grammys" whinge whinge.

Record sales is not indicative of quality (I happen to like Metallica, so lay off here). Britney Spears has sold records by the barrelful. Does that mean her stuff is good? Hell no.

Tzar

05-05-2005, 07:14 PM

Record sales is not indicative of quality (I happen to like Metallica, so lay off here). Britney Spears has sold records by the barrelful. Does that mean her stuff is good? Hell no.

yeah you kinda shot me in the face there. (y)

Teh - Metallica is not full of:
- "screaming vocals" (that'd be RATM or slipknot)
- "unoriginal riffs" (you've obviously never heard songs like 'seek and destroy', 'master of puppets', 'one' etc).

and what's that shit about Cliff Burton? :rolleyes:
you hating on the man? you watch "cliff 'em all" and then talk to me.

GetYourWarOn

05-05-2005, 08:51 PM

BLUE MONDAY IS THE BEST SONG EVER. EVER EVER EVER.

yes. w00t.

discopants

05-06-2005, 02:45 AM

yes. w00t.

EVER EVER EVER!

EVER!

Teh

05-06-2005, 06:37 AM

Teh - Metallica is not full of:
- "screaming vocals" (that'd be RATM or slipknot)
- "unoriginal riffs" (you've obviously never heard songs like 'seek and destroy', 'master of puppets', 'one' etc).

I have. It's hard to avoid it when my next door neighbour plays it at full blast when he rolls down the street in his Corsa.

I stand by what i said and believe it: all Metallica music sounds the same to me. I can't tell the difference between the most recent album and any other album, there is no creativity or originality at all. Maybe there was when they first started, but screaming gets tiresome. Real tiresome.

Why are you trying to defend them? Do you really think it'll change my opinion? I don't like Metallica. Never did, never will. Get over it, Tzar.

Blue Monday does indeed rock. Give it a listen, it'll help cool you down.

Teh

05-06-2005, 10:34 AM

Nah, he just stole everything to say from me :D

:rolleyes:

Why thankyou, Documad. You mean, i'm cool even with my "dumb screen name"?

:P

Beckalina

05-06-2005, 10:36 AM

Nah, he just stole everything to say from me :D
:eek:
don't make me hurt you both, i write for tim these days chuck

Documad

05-06-2005, 04:22 PM

Nah, he just stole everything to say from me :D
Ah, that explains it. I've known you were pretty fucking cool for ages. :)

Tzar

05-06-2005, 05:32 PM

Why are you trying to defend them? Do you really think it'll change my opinion? I don't like Metallica. Never did, never will. Get over it, Tzar.
PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
oh that's a good one. ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh boy.

Humiliation

05-07-2005, 02:49 AM

Listen here son, I have kids your age,.....with guns :D

Only in America :rolleyes: . Rob you are clearly and idiot if you don't respect the beatles. They influenced rock completely. They wrote the first Heavy Metal song along with starting the whole singer songwriter scene. And that is only just barely touching the surface. You couldn't possibly know as much about music as you brag about.

As for saying they weren't influencial, New order practically started (or at least had a big hand in) dance music.

Well after much mind persuasion I decided to nick my dad's matallica cd (during his wild years he says) which is vertigo (i think. The one with the black cover) and decided that they aren't half bad (that being not the singles i heard on the radio). I still agree that JD/NO are better though.

And teh, he defends them because you attack them, as he has every right to. Just like you defend JD/NO because Rob attacked them and so on and so forth.

Teh

05-07-2005, 05:19 AM

And teh, he defends them because you attack them, as he has every right to. Just like you defend JD/NO because Rob attacked them and so on and so forth.

Well, no shit Sherlock. I can see that, but he defends them like i should know better. It's one thing to disagree, it's another to try and make me change my opinion. I defended JD/NO because Robmoron made a completely uneducated statement, totally false. Had he said something true, but negative about them i'd have said "That's just your opinion." but no, he didn't, he said something totally uneducated/retardec regarding them. When i speak my views about Metallica, they're based on what i've heard, and what i've seen. In other words, educated opinions.

Oh, and thanks for also sharing your educated opinion regarding Metallica. :)

Knuckles

05-07-2005, 06:09 AM

Rob, please tell me you were kidding about the Beatles :(

TAL

05-07-2005, 02:13 PM

Raping their guitars!!.......and you call me uneducated?....ever hear of Cliff Burton? ....yeah, thought not......so shut up
But Cliff Burton played bass :confused:

RobMoney

05-07-2005, 02:20 PM

But Cliff Burton played bass :confused:

a Bass is a guitar too isn't it?

....he was one of the greatest ever PERIOD

TAL

05-07-2005, 02:21 PM

I just wanted clarification, thank you.

cosmo105

05-07-2005, 02:23 PM

the fact that he uses the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a standard of judgement of a musician's worth and influence renders all opinions he may have on any music ever null and void.

RobMoney

05-07-2005, 05:06 PM

^^You're just mad because there's nothing you can say to that statement about Metallica going into the Rock Hall of Fame....you know it's the truth is all.

Humiliation

05-08-2005, 12:29 AM

Maybe we don't care if it is or not. In our view Metallica doesn't deserve to be in the rock hall of fame is JD/NO isn't.

And yeah my views on metallica were uneducated but at least i had heard of them for gods sake. And in any case, I had heard them before, the same cd before, only my musical views have changed since then (I was what, 10 maybe?)

In any case, Rob, I thought you were smart, you really aren't too bright so nerrr :p

Sandinista!

05-08-2005, 12:41 AM

as if being a virgin (especially at a young age) is something shameful. ridiculous. (n)

Funny, aren't you the one who hurls the "virgin" assault on me every now and then?

Oh, and New Order's latest album rocks everyone's pants off. Or skirts. Or hot pants. Or whatever attire you might be wearing at any given moment.

HellofaSandwich

05-08-2005, 12:56 AM

Oh, and New Order's latest album rocks everyone's pants off. Or skirts. Or hot pants. Or whatever attire you might be wearing at any given moment.

Favorite track?

"Jetstream" is extremely addictive.

Matt

05-08-2005, 01:09 AM

a Bass is a guitar too isn't it?

....he was one of the greatest ever PERIOD

...until a bus fell on him. KIDDING LOFZL.

I like both metallica and new order, fools. and they aren't even in the same genre, so why is there an arguement about which is the better band?

HOFS, My current fave from the new album is Jetstream, too, but Guilt Is A Useless Emotion is slowly creeping up behind it. I don't get the whole talk of "The best album since Technique", mostly because 1) I like Get Ready a whole lot more, and 2) I didn't like Technique much. I do see their output as spotty, but thats because they've put out a great deal of music, and theres at least a few songs of filler on each album. the only CDs by them that are in regular rotation for me are Movement, The Best Of..., and Substance 1987. Most of the other albums have too much filler, so I put all my favorites that arent on any CDs in my rotation and put them on a CD. they only made one complete shit record, though, and that was Republic.

Teh

05-08-2005, 06:19 AM

And yeah my views on metallica were uneducated but at least i had heard of them for gods sake. And in any case, I had heard them before, the same cd before, only my musical views have changed since then (I was what, 10 maybe?)

In any case, Rob, I thought you were smart, you really aren't too bright so nerrr :p

I thought your views on Metallica were educated, actually!

As are your views on Robmoron, but anyways..

Beckalina

05-08-2005, 10:17 AM

Muscling me out eh??? :(
yep, with my head muscle's they're really strong

Freebasser

05-08-2005, 10:19 AM

a Bass is a guitar too isn't it?

Get running...

cosmo105

05-08-2005, 11:10 AM

^^You're just mad because there's nothing you can say to that statement about Metallica going into the Rock Hall of Fame....you know it's the truth is all.
uh, no, i'm not. Metallica sucks and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is just for show anyway.

Documad

05-08-2005, 12:27 PM

For the 100th time, the R&R HOF is a cross-promotional arm of Rolling Stone Magazine. It's Jann Wenner's bitch. And year after year, artists who I kind of admire go and suck his dick at the annual banquet.

Rolling Stone Magazine was an embarrassment in the late 70s -- completely missing the boat on all things re modern British music. It was too busy doing profiles of Boz Scaggs, Michael Douglas, Richard Gere, and other Wenner friends. (I know, the magazine is even worse now because it's just a giant clothing advertisement.)

And yes, even Rolling Stone couldn't close its eyes to the importance of say, the Clash, forever--I mean Pete Townsend loved them and kept bringing them up in interviews. So the magazine eventually gave fabulous reviews to less worth British acts/albums. And if you read the rag now, you would think they were with it all along. If you go to their website, you'll see positive reviews of all those "classic" albums now, but most of the reviews were not published back in the day. For instance, Rolling Stone hated Led Zeppelin and trashed them repeatedly, but you would never know that by reading the magazine or the website today.

DroppinScience

05-08-2005, 02:11 PM

If you go to their website, you'll see positive reviews of all those "classic" albums now, but most of the reviews were not published back in the day. For instance, Rolling Stone hated Led Zeppelin and trashed them repeatedly, but you would never know that by reading the magazine or the website today.

Not to mention, weren't they quite lukewarm towards Nirvana? But once Kurt Cobain died, they can't stop being a bunch necrophiliacs plastering him on their cover every 5 issues and weeping over how Nirvana is no more.

There's something so revisionist about them. (n)