Ernesto Che Guevara

[hummalumma]

The amount of poverty and suffering required for the emergence of a Rockefeller, and the amount of depravity that the accumulation of a fortune of such magnitude entails, are left out of the picture and it is not always possible to make the people in general see this. - Ernesto Che Guevara


There are no boundaries in this struggle to the death. We cannot be indifferent to what happens anywhere in the world, for a victory by any country over imperialism is our victory; just as any country's defeat is a defeat for all of us. - Ernesto Che Guevara



Tibet is not about trying to make the place a better place to live.
It is about preventing a cultural genocide...which is what is occuring now.
Will Tibet become like the Incan or Mayan civilizations? Will Lhasa become like Macchu Picchu? A commercialized city of what used to be? A tourist destination run by the PRC? It is not a question of Tibetans having a revolutionary spirit. The responsibility rests in the world's hands.

[hellojello]

I carry to new battlefronts the faith that you taught me, the revolutionary spirit of my people, the feeling of fulfilling the most sacred of duties: to fight against imperialism wherever one may be. This is a source of strength, and more than heals the deepest of wounds.
Che Guevara

[zippo]

Will Tibet become like the Incan or Mayan civilizations? Will Lhasa become like Macchu Picchu? A commercialized city of what used to be? A tourist destination run by the PRC?

hi there, how are ya...

whats this about the Incan or Mayan civilizations, itd be cool if you explain what you mean, cuz its not clear (y)

and Macchu Picchu is considered one of the worlds biggest treasures to this day, visited by archeologists and specialized people, apart from the millions of tourists that come to see the intact ruins that are preserved to this day. the "commercialized" part you talk about is separated from the "historically valid" zones of the city, where, yes, they do have clubs and restaurants, but which dont damage or do any harm to the ruins. my point is that i dont understand what youre criticizing, apart from not understanding what "it used to be"?????

[ericg]

I'm contemplating how it may have even been possible for you not to get that, on just a light tip even... Why do you always feel you have to do that. I think it hit the nail on the head. Is this the first time in this forum for you? :rolleyes: :p

He was pretty clear. Clear as the Tibetan day. The man's thinking cap is X-large there... and he set the stage about right I'd say the way things are going! You know... China's inhumane annex... genocide... the world ultimately aiding and abetting Tibet's demise by making it a tourist attraction for exploitation... Talk about hell... Your lucky I'm only on my first cup... :D
These things make for an ill climate around the world and affect everybody like they wouldn't believe how and what matters..

And Hello's Guevara quote was... truly formidable. All 3 were nicely sed. I am going to have to check this Ernesto out now!!!

[zippo]

I'm contemplating how it may have even been possible for you not to get that, on just a light tip even... Why do you always feel you have to do that. I think it hit the nail on the head. Is this the first time in this forum for you? :rolleyes: :p

He was pretty clear. Clear as the Tibetan day. The man's thinking cap is X-large there... and he set the stage about right I'd say the way things are going! You know... China's inhumane annex... genocide... the world ultimately aiding and abetting Tibet's demise by making it a tourist attraction for exploitation... Talk about hell... Your lucky I'm only on my first cup... :D
These things make for an ill climate around the world and affect everybody like they wouldn't believe how and what matters..

And Hello's Guevara quote was... truly formidable. All 3 were nicely sed. I am going to have to check this Ernesto out now!!!

i want HIM to explain what he said, not you

i want to know why he thinks its wrong for the city to be a tourist attraction when it doesnt affect the ruins in any way. do you know how much poorer the country would be without the functioning of Macchu Picchu as a tourist attraction? its a healthy matter for the country, it shouldnt be criticized is what im saying. it shouldnt be used in examples as to what is wrong, but as to what is right is what im saying.

[ericg]

:D Yeah, you'll have to take that up with him...

I wouldn't be so quick to read negativity into it, though, since he's obviously here doing his damndest to look out for what's right... and nothing else!

"...Zippity doo dah Zippity day My Oh my what a wonderful day With plenty of sunshine coming my way..."

[zippo]

:D Yeah, you'll have to take that up with him...

I wouldn't be so quick to read negativity into it, though, since he's obviously here doing his damndest to look out for what's right... and nothing else!

stop editing your godam posts

[ericg]

:mad: Be good

[zippo]

:mad: Be good

im trying

[cerveza]

im getting married here (http://tour.du.monde.free.fr/img/machu-picchu-1024.jpg)

[zippo]

im getting married here (http://tour.du.monde.free.fr/img/machu-picchu-1024.jpg)

for real?

[cerveza]

fo real fo real

dont know when and with whom
but some day . . . . . .

[zippo]

fo real fo real

dont know when and with whom
but some day . . . . . .

haha
ill drink your champagne in macchu picchu

[Nuzzolese]

Some think that as important and positive as his life's work was, it was equally as dogmatic and hipocritical. What do you think of the Che t-shirt so abundantly worn? Is it the thinking man's Von Dutch? Do you think Che is often misrepresented and misunderstood?

[HEIRESS]

I've read 2 books about his life and seen both a documentary and the motorcycle diaries so I feel that is sufficient knowledge for me to wear a che shirt if I wanted to, although I dont

[Nuzzolese]

Did you think the movie The Motorcycle Diaries was accurate? I thought it looked like they were trying to make Che out to be some dreamy idealistic and selfless young hero. Do you think the Che t-shirt is something you'd wear if someone gave it to you?

[EN[i]GMA]

Get your Che shirts here: www.che-mart.com !

[ericg]

http://flag.blackened.net/kara/political/che/
http://rottentomatoes.com/m/motorcycle_diaries/
http://motorcyclediariesmovie.com

It's principled and predicated on what's right and good. Knowing better the hard way, the only way... That's it that's all. It isn't my alltimer per se... but it's someones, and I have a feeling that it's someone more earnest and true than most will ever have to fathom. The problems are too obvious for those who have had to figure it all out..., but still exist for people like Enigma who only get as far as the controlled opposition category, if that.. you smug bitch.

You'll NEVER figure it out, will you. You're a pointless naysayer. Part of Degeneration X fooled into thinking you have rule.. never stopping to figure Y. You mean nothing but wasted time. You only get off on idle parsing. You have never known... ...FUCK YOU...

Micro to macro, Macro to micro. Figure relativity outright...!

[cosmo105]

somewhere a linguist is weeping

[ericg]

"...Always flappin' in the flappin' in the wind..." -311: Evolver

"...Just like a flounder..." T.T.5.B.: Shazam

"...If you wanna battle me you're in denial Coming from Uranus to check my style..." -H.N.: I

You got fault lines bigger than California. And you fall into every single crack. Keep runnin'.
"...keep doin' that wop..." -T.T.5.B.: I.T.T.T.B.

You're a joke. That's funny. Weep. Weep allll day.

"...Rockin' this flow I could go all night..." -T.T.5.B.: R.R.N.N.
"...Please say goodnight.... It's a real pitty that you people got to bite
But I could understand 'cause it sounds so nice..." -Anthology: S.O.S.: Alive

"... Oops gotcha clutch like Piazza. Sneak between the sheets so hide the matzoh.... next..." -T.T.5.B.: 3.T.H.W.

Chew and digest.

[zippo]

somewhere a linguist is weeping

alot of the times youve just gotta think about what hes writing and youll get it actually....hes got alot to say and has quality conversations when he explains what he means better.....

its having something to say that saves him

[ericg]

Ohhh. Grrratce Zippo. That was nice.


Okay good evening everybody
Everybody agh ready
Did you go pass the leader on the cassette there
Ohh, it's rollin', Okay very good very good
Alright everybody take one...
1 2 3 4...

Hey there everybody
I'd like to tell everybody out there
A little story about, la someone that was very special to me
And this is a special song about that special someone
About just how special things can be you know
I'm sure everybody out there has gone
Agh, felt, felt something very similar to that
And it can uhh, it can be the best thing
It can be the worst thing
It can make you feel great or..

There Georgie Girl
Oh Georgie girl
Oh hey there Georgie girl yea..
You can kiss that old crumb crack guy goodbye
Because you know agh yea baby you know
You're on the one, the funky one
Oh baby, yea
Yo you know, I saw you that day you...
How's your Girl Mike?
Agh she's pretty nice man but I tell you yo
I saw the other Girl at Netty's the other day
And she had her shit together
I'm talkin bout hip hop pow
Boomin' system up top in the back

Agh hey there Georgie Girl
Georgie Girl
Agh baby you look so nice
You on the one
You got your shit together Georgie Girl
Yea you're looking so nice Georgie Girl
Georgie Girl you know you're on the one
Oh hey lonely Girl

Yea that's right baby that was you the first time
You know i saw you all alone
I was on the boardwalk you know
You know you were looking lovely
A little bit lonely and uh
You know you was squirting the wate in the clowns mouth and everything
But hey baby you know I would win the whole prize for you
The whole nine yards, the, the ski ball tickets
Everything baby, for you

:)

I just had another extraordinary dream so I'm headed over to the one and only DREAM THREAD... But I warn you it is really is fragmented, dimented, fermented... I hope I can present it ok. Peace

[ericg]

I can feel an edit comin' on... :D
J/K

[ericg]

Yo I'm Out And I'm Gone
I'll Tell You Now I Keep It On And On

[zippo]

I can feel an edit comin' on... :D
J/K

thank the lord...ill be writing down the date for this historical day now

[guerillaGardner]

i want HIM to explain what he said, not you

i want to know why he thinks its wrong for the city to be a tourist attraction when it doesnt affect the ruins in any way. do you know how much poorer the country would be without the functioning of Macchu Picchu as a tourist attraction? its a healthy matter for the country, it shouldnt be criticized is what im saying. it shouldnt be used in examples as to what is wrong, but as to what is right is what im saying.


I often find it ironic that people travel all around the world to see other places when they haven't discovered their own yet. I am frequently amused and astonished by people in the village where I used to live (but which I am a frequent visitor to) when they wander an extra few minutes out of their usual way and marvel at what is on their own doorstep.

Over and above the horrendous pollution caused by the aviation industry - wouldn't it be best that most of us do that first and get to know the place where we live. But somehow the cheap, free, natural and easily available doesn't have the appeal of the distant, expensive and remote. Somehow if it's God given it just doesn't have the same value.

You can bet if tourism interests got a hold on Macchu Picchu there'd be a MacDonalds and a Starbucks inside it. Constant footfall would erode the place and it would just be another way for corporations to dangle greener fields in front of us, so that we could pay them to experience what we could experience for free and at home.

[Pres Zount]

Some think that as important and positive as his life's work was, it was equally as dogmatic and hipocritical. What do you think of the Che t-shirt so abundantly worn? Is it the thinking man's Von Dutch? Do you think Che is often misrepresented and misunderstood?


Che is missunderstood and misrepresented 90% of the time. Mostly by people who have 'read TWO books AND seen the movie!'

[Freebasser]

nah, you'd wear this one (http://img58.exs.cx/img58/4553/chemosh0yo.jpg)

[zippo]

But somehow the cheap, free, natural and easily available doesn't have the appeal of the distant, expensive and remote. Somehow if it's God given it just doesn't have the same value.

You can bet if tourism interests got a hold on Macchu Picchu there'd be a MacDonalds and a Starbucks inside it. Constant footfall would erode the place and it would just be another way for corporations to dangle greener fields in front of us, so that we could pay them to experience what we could experience for free and at home.

weve got alot of natural recreational/tourist spots to last a lifetime down here and fortunately, people take advantage of that.
although the further away a place is, the more mystical and mysterious its gonna be, so, i dont know, i think thats more human nature and inevitable than a bad tendency on our part id say.

and tourism interests getting a hold of macchupicchu? you mean "foreign" tourism interests, which the country hasnt and wouldnt sell out to anyway, at least up till now. (sadly cant say the same thing for the countries capital).

[Medellia]

Is it the thinking man's Von Dutch?
Hahaha, I don't think it's even that. I've seen people wearing the Che shirt or Che jewelry and they don't even know his name. They just know that shirt is being sold at Hot Topic, so it will make them hip and edgy. :rolleyes:

PS-Norcen, that Mosh Girl! :D

[Freebasser]

Who the heck is that?

It's mosh girl, foo!

[YoungRemy]

fuck you i wont do what they tell me!!!
fuck you i wont do what they tell me!!!
fuck you i wont do what they tell me!!!
fuck you i wont do what they tell me!!!

[Freebasser]

I'm not familar with "Mosh Girl".

Head over to sure shots and do a search for her.

I guarantee!

[zippo]

I did a brief search on Google earlier and found out it's just another crazy person photo fad. i am so above that you incompetent petty fools. now come here and stroke me with big, round, green grapes.

[Freebasser]

I did a brief search on Google earlier and found out it's just another crazy person photo fad.

Yeah, but it's the best one (y)

[zippo]

haha ;)

[Audio.]

The amount of poverty and suffering required for the emergence of a Rockefeller, and the amount of depravity that the accumulation of a fortune of such magnitude entails, are left out of the picture and it is not always possible to make the people in general see this. - Ernesto Che Guevara


There are no boundaries in this struggle to the death. We cannot be indifferent to what happens anywhere in the world, for a victory by any country over imperialism is our victory; just as any country's defeat is a defeat for all of us. - Ernesto Che Guevara



Tibet is not about trying to make the place a better place to live.
It is about preventing a cultural genocide...which is what is occuring now.
Will Tibet become like the Incan or Mayan civilizations? Will Lhasa become like Macchu Picchu? A commercialized city of what used to be? A tourist destination run by the PRC? It is not a question of Tibetans having a revolutionary spirit. The responsibility rests in the world's hands.

Almost the samething with some parts in europe, the ones having problems, that are being invaded by american culture. Yes, mine post is off topic.
I fear that most of the european culture will be like puerte rico and america.

[Audio.]

The amount of poverty and suffering required for the emergence of a Rockefeller, and the amount of depravity that the accumulation of a fortune of such magnitude entails, are left out of the picture and it is not always possible to make the people in general see this. - Ernesto Che Guevara


There are no boundaries in this struggle to the death. We cannot be indifferent to what happens anywhere in the world, for a victory by any country over imperialism is our victory; just as any country's defeat is a defeat for all of us. - Ernesto Che Guevara



Tibet is not about trying to make the place a better place to live.
It is about preventing a cultural genocide...which is what is occuring now.
Will Tibet become like the Incan or Mayan civilizations? Will Lhasa become like Macchu Picchu? A commercialized city of what used to be? A tourist destination run by the PRC? It is not a question of Tibetans having a revolutionary spirit. The responsibility rests in the world's hands.

and yet right now the important thing is helping tibet but it's up to tibet if they want to prevent cultures butting in their life. Iraq seems to be having culture changes too by the british and americans. The only ones I think prevent culture invasion to their own land is the ausies or north koreans.

[Audio.]

i want HIM to explain what he said, not you

i want to know why he thinks its wrong for the city to be a tourist attraction when it doesnt affect the ruins in any way. do you know how much poorer the country would be without the functioning of Macchu Picchu as a tourist attraction? its a healthy matter for the country, it shouldnt be criticized is what im saying. it shouldnt be used in examples as to what is wrong, but as to what is right is what im saying.
I guess it's he is annoyed seeing tourists just fucking not paying attention to real culture life in the country. I guess to under stand it you must live it not walk and leave.

[Audio.]

Did you think the movie The Motorcycle Diaries was accurate? I thought it looked like they were trying to make Che out to be some dreamy idealistic and selfless young hero. Do you think the Che t-shirt is something you'd wear if someone gave it to you?
thats how he dreamed but nothing important to do with when he was a rebel.

Yeah fuck people up when they were the shirt just to use it as a symbol of rebellion. I bet they don't even know who is Castro or know any of Che's speeches.

Those dudes are posers just like hip-hop posers and punk posers and skater posers etc.

[admsitio]

Che was a hero, a big man who believes in sacrifice without demands, i love the motrocycle diaries movie, its so cool.
I've found out there a cool che guevara site to buy something about che, like tshirts, i've buyed 3 of them and looks very good.
Take a look at the site:

http://www.cafepress.com/tshirtmaster

[b i o n i c]

dats mah argentine niggah

[admsitio]

dats mah argentine niggah

??? What do you say? i don't understand,so explain it a little please.Thanks

[CJM]

Ernesto "Che" Guevara, the definition of a role model.

i have a poster on my wall, but i would never feel comfortable wearing a t-shirt of his face. the one that i was given ended up having one of the shots cut out, and attached to my snowboard pants.

[b i o n i c]

??? What do you say? i don't understand,so explain it a little please.Thanks


Che was born and grew up in argentina. and he's mah niggah

[monkey]

che's work is HIGHLY misunserstood and poorly represented. he is not a saint, not the greatest man who ever lived, not even the best of the revolutionaries. but he has great ideas and he was able to write them (his diaries and books are available, most people just dont bother reading them) and he dedicated his life to what he thought was the right way. the dichotomy of the man is what makes him such an interesting subject and taking just one side of him makes us all a bunch of idiots.

if we were all a fraction as passionate as he was about changing the world, we would have a fantastic revolution.

[hummalumma]

if we were all a fraction as passionate as he was about changing the world, we would have a fantastic revolution.






... exactly. There is a DUTY to reduce another's suffering if you are aware of it and can do it. Whether you achieve happiness by doing so should not be the reason. I believe our next 'Che' will be a woman.
Remember that you will die and that everything you do therefore matters... 'what did you do today?'

[CJM]

che's work is HIGHLY misunserstood and poorly represented.



i get the impression that most people have no idea what he stood for, and like him cause it's the 'cool' thing to do. i wish i was half as hard working, and volunteering.

[Travis Bickle]

I've purchased a couple of shirts from these good people over the past couple of years; here's a link to a Che shirt they just made:

http://www.proletarianthreads.com/tshirts/t128.html

Whether or not you feel Che belongs on a shirt, etc., I think their comments on the subject are quite well articulated and might be worth sharing here...

"Every month at least one person asks if we sell 'Che' t-shirts. And while we appreciate the ethic, you can't help but cringe at the fact that one of history's most ferocious revolutionaries has been turned into nothing more than a logo. So with a fresh new face to Che (and a more handsome one to boot), help take him back from the realm of clichés. Read up, learn about him, and use this piece as a conversation starter about his life and legacy."

The text of the shirt reads: "Before Che was a LOGO: He was a guerilla fighter. He was a doctor and a father. He fought to liberate the poor of Latin America. He was killed for his beliefs in 1967. He was an inspiration to millions. Before Ernesto 'Che' Guevara was a cliché, he was an ORIGINAL."