Emmmm...well just see for yourself...

[D_Raay]

http://www.misspoppy.com/catalog/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=16346&cat=283&page=1

I don't know what to think about this product...

[yeahwho]

http://www.misspoppy.com/catalog/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=16346&cat=283&page=1

I don't know what to think about this product...

I think it's fucking great! Right in the face of the chickenhawk fags that run this country.

[Qdrop]

that is fucking great!

talk about letting the far right destroy itself.....
priceless.....

[BGirl]

:eek:

[STANKY808]

Did none of you poke around that site? I mean "Hello Satan Road Rage Air Freshener", "Catholic Doctrine Playing Cards" and my favourite the "Jesus Ashtray"? I would doubt this is being offered by a religous right kind of outfit.

[BGirl]

Oh okay, i didn't care to poke around. Pretty crazy. haha :o


You just never know these days........!


The home decor page has some pretty silly stuff

[EN[i]GMA]

YEEEAH!!

CAPITALISM MOTHERFUCKERS!!!

[Bob]

Note to the confused:This is a real product, from a real site. The product is a satire, but it is also a real product - FOR SALE. This is a real store.

[BGirl]

I actually have something they sell. I'm not sayin what but it's around for a laugh but also has a practical use. :)

[racer5.0stang]

That website is deplorable.

[Bob]

That website is deplorable.

is it? well now i have to check it out!

[Ali]

That website is deplorable.Oh, come on. I'm sure god has a sense of humour. A sick one, but at least She can take a joke.

Unlike you.

Mebee you should DOS that site, in the name of the Lord!

[racer5.0stang]

Oh, come on. I'm sure god has a sense of humour. A sick one, but at least She can take a joke.

Yeah I guess so, after all HE made you.



:D

[triphalgo]

Anyone ever taken ecstasy? I need some info.

[abcdefz]

Christian stores sell some pretty stupid stuff in the name of God (Christian mints, anyone?); this site is just ratcheting things up a few notches.

Still, it's hard to imagine someone creates a site and so many products entirely devoted to such bigotry. If it were almost any other group besides Christians, people would be up in arms. Imagine such a site devoted to Muslims, Asians, or the handicapped, and you'll get the idea if you're open-minded enough.

[racer5.0stang]

Christian stores sell some pretty stupid stuff in the name of God (Christian mints, anyone?); this site is just ratcheting things up a few notches.

Most "Christian" stores that I have encountered have left alot to be desired. There are only 50 different versions of the bible (the King James being the correct one) and the staff is incompetent. For instance, I was in search for a 1611 King James Bible and the staff didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe it was just that one store.

Still, it's hard to imagine someone creates a site and so many products entirely devoted to such bigotry. If it were almost any other group besides Christians, people would be up in arms. Imagine such a site devoted to Muslims, Asians, or the handicapped, and you'll get the idea if you're open-minded enough.

Agreed.

[Ali]

Yeah I guess so, after all HE made you.



:Dgod is an old, black woman

prove me wrong

[Ali]

Anyone ever taken ecstasy? I need some info.lots

makes you act like a complete fucking idiot for about 2 hours and then wanting to kill yourself for the next three days

complete waste of time (http://www.ecstasy.org/)

I mean, do you want to end up looking like this (http://www.abc.net.au/quantum/poison/ecstasy/saunders.htm)?

[abcdefz]

There are only 50 different versions of the bible (the King James being the correct one)



...why do you think this?

Any English-language Bible is a translation. They've all got their weak spots.

[racer5.0stang]

...why do you think this?

Any English-language Bible is a translation. They've all got their weak spots.


The King James Version was translated directly from the original Greek and Hebrew writings. The new versions such as the NIV, ASB, and others are updated using words from today's language. Many passages are have been totally changed due to these new versions.

I have no trouble understanding thee's and thou's.

If the bible has any weak spots in it (and I am not saying it does), it is because of these liberal versions of itself.

[racer5.0stang]

god is an old, black woman

prove me wrong


1 Corinthians 8:6

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Galatians 1:3,4

3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

[abcdefz]

The King James Version was translated directly from the original Greek and Hebrew writings. The new versions such as the NIV, ASB, and others are updated using words from today's language. Many passages are have been totally changed due to these new versions.



The KJV was "updated" using 1611 language, and most of these newer translations also go back to the original text. I think if you carry your argument to its logical conclusion, the only trustworthy versions are the original texts.

My feeling is that God is sovereign even over transaltions. The most essential stuff still gets through: love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself.

[racer5.0stang]

The KJV was "updated" using 1611 language, and most of these newer translations also go back to the original text. I think if you carry your argument to its logical conclusion, the only trustworthy versions are the original texts.

Let us compare verses and see.

John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16 NIV
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

At first glance these two verses do not appear to be much different. But if you compare "his only begotten Son" and "one and only Son" they have two different meanings. According to Webster, begotten is from the word beget which is defined as:

be·get (bi getÆ), v.t., be·got or (Archaic) be·gat; be·got·ten or be·got; be·get·ting.
1. (esp. of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).

In many other scriptures, we as believers are called sons of God. So if Jesus was the one and only Son of God, then that would be a contradiction. But you would say that the bible does not have contradictions in it. Obviously it does with these newer versions.

Another example.

Luke 2:33 KJV
And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

Luke 2:33 NIV
The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him.

At no time in the bible did Jesus refer to Joseph as his father. Jesus' father is God. According to this verse in the NIV, Jesus was not virgin born.

The list goes on and on, but I hope that you can see the point that I am trying to make.

My feeling is that God is sovereign even over transaltions. The most essential stuff still gets through: love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself.

2 Thessalonians 2:3,4

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

"Apostasy, "falling away," (2 Th 2:3) is the act of professed Christians who deliberately reject revealed truth as to (1) the Deity of Jesus Christ, and (2) redemption through His atoning and redeeming sacrifice (1 John 4:1 - 3; Phil 3:18; 2 Pet 2:1). Apostasy differs, therefore, from error concerning truth, which may be the result of ignorance (Acts 19:1 - 6), or heresy, which may be due to the snare of Satan (2 Tim 2:25 - 26), both of which may exist with true faith. The apostate is perfectly described in 4:3 - 4. Apostates depart from the faith, but not from the outward profession of Christianity (3:5). Apostate teachers are described in 4:3; 2 Pet 2:1 - 19; Jude 4,8,11 - 13,16. Apostasy in the church, as in Israel (Isa 1:5 - 6; 5:5 - 7), is irremediable and awaits judgment (2 Th 2:10 - 12; 2 Pet 2:17,21; Jude 11 - 15; Rev 3:14 - 16)."

[abcdefz]

...and how does that affect how well you love God and others?

I know there are subtleties in the language, but for that matter, there are things the King James version misses as well. I don't think there's a person who would read the NIV or the RSV or even The Message, for that matter, and believe that Joseph sired Jesus.

Also, the logical extention of that sort of argument is that only theologians "get it" or can be proper Christians, and I don't believe that. I'd daresay that's part of what Jesus rebuked.

[racer5.0stang]

I don't think there's a person who would read the NIV or the RSV or even The Message, for that matter, and believe that Joseph sired Jesus.

If you were ignorant to the truth and were reading the NIV that is what you are lead to believe.

[abcdefz]

...perhaps if you read the NIV version of only that one scripture or something, but not in context. How could you even get through the first couple of chapters of Luke and not know Jesus was conceived by the Spirit?

Anyway, I have no problem with saying Joseph was Jesus' father. It doesn't mean that Joseph fathered Jesus, the same as John becoming Mary's son doesn't mean she bore him. The concept of adoption is hugely important in scripture, and just because Joseph pretty effectively disappears for much of the rest of the Gospels, it doesn't mean that Jesus didn't accept him and honor him as his father, even if God as Father would supersede Joseph's authority, so to speak ("Did you not know I must be about my Father's business?" is [from memory] how Jesus addressed that.)

Take a look at something interesting: look at how often, when Paul is quoting scripture, you flip back to that passage and it's slightly different. Does that mean Paul was adding a jot or tittle? Does that mean Paul was "wrong"? I don't think so.

I think of Paul's letters as, really, the first Bible commentary. And I think that a big part of Biblical teaching is that we're free from legalism; we need to shake that off so we're not burdening others with it or making Theology itself a sort of god. I think that the Spirit can help people who read any decent version of scripture understand God's message.

[Qdrop]

yes, yes....argue about bible quotes with racer..

reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaalll smart....

[abcdefz]

yes, yes....argue about bible quotes with racer..

reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaalll smart....



Mommy and Daddy are discussing. :D

[Qdrop]

yeah, but arguing with racer about bible quotes is never ending.

much like aguing with me about global warming....(i speak from experiance)...or enigma/ace42 about capitalism vs. socialism....

just warning you....

we're a stubborn lot here.....and we all have our hot buttons.




*note: whatever you do....don't bring up evolution with racer...please....

[Bob]

we're a stubborn lot here.....and we all have our hot buttons.






fuck you, i don't

[abcdefz]

whatever you do....don't bring up evolution with racer...please....




He liked that movie!?

[Ace42]

I don't think there's a person who would read the NIV or the RSV or even The Message, for that matter, and believe that Joseph sired Jesus.

I knew a kid whose parents conceived him without ever having had sex. A *double* virgin birth.

[Bob]

does he have any disciples?

[racer5.0stang]

I knew a kid whose parents conceived him without ever having had sex. A *double* virgin birth.


Do you mean they did not have sex with each other?

or

They didn't have sex with anyone including each other?

[Funkaloyd]

if you compare "his only begotten Son" and "one and only Son" they have two different meanings. According to Webster, begotten is from the word beget which is defined as:

be·get (bi getÆ), v.t., be·got or (Archaic) be·gat; be·got·ten or be·got; be·get·ting.
1. (esp. of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).
So, is God a devil in the sack (heh, sorry)? Did Jesus have God's DNA?

Still, it's hard to imagine someone creates a site and so many products entirely devoted to such bigotry. If it were almost any other group besides Christians, people would be up in arms. Imagine such a site devoted to Muslims, Asians, or the handicapped, and you'll get the idea if you're open-minded enough.
Race and affliction are totally different than ideology. There's plenty of stuff out there on Islam, hippies, etc.

[Ace42]

Do you mean they did not have sex with each other?

or

They didn't have sex with anyone including each other?

The latter. I can only assume they had sex after the conception. Virgin newly-weds is just too lame to consider. Imagine anniversaries - "It's our silver non-deflowering jubilee!"

[sjp]

the government got to the mother first, its a good thing we caught it in time our lab is doing testing on the child to see if Bush is the father or not.