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Nuzzolese
05-11-2005, 02:20 PM
I am so angry and I don't know how to express it. I'm angry on large and small scales. And it's a deep, sad, dull weighted anger inside me, not surfacing like normal anger where I'm angry on the outside and reacting. It's more of a steady heavy ball of anger underneath. I don't know how to deal with it. I'm angry at the mindset of people who write, share, and appreciate the kinds of emails I get forwarded to me like this one I pasted below. Not even the people themselves, just the way the world is, the way human beings are. Pisses me off.

It's not as if all of our involvement in other countries has been just helping them. We were furthering our own needs. It's not like people are homeless in Washington DC only because we're spending too much effort helping other people in other countries. There are other factors.

I feel bad for bringing it here, even. I passed it on - with a negative view - but I still passed it on. It still got read. The purpose of it was to get read and in my passing it on that got 'er did.

But it was one of those times when I wanted to hear others' reactions because I'm basically speechless.

Here 'tis



"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT,
DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?

My Fellow Americans:
As you all know, the defeat of Iraq regime has been completed.

Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our
mission in Iraq is complete.

This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American
forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now
to begin the reckoning.

Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries
which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short.
The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of the
countries listed there.

The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the
world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing
copies of both lists later this evening.

Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those
nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved
during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the
Iraqi war.

The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world
Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.

Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.

In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money
toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home. On that
note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt
you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the
earth.

Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe
China.

To Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Yo, boys. Work out a peace deal
now. Just note that Camp David is closed. Maybe all of you can go to
Russia for negotiations. They have some great palaces there. Big tables,
too. I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with
France, Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are
retiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis.

I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN
diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking
tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and
crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps
have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or
watch your precious Benzes, Beamers, and limos be turned over to some of
the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York .

A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are likely
to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not
pissing us off for a change.

Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire corrupt government
really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple extra tanks and
infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am going to put em? Yep,
border security. So start doing something with your oil.

Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA
treaty - starting now.

We are tired of the one-way highway.

It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens.
Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, "darn
tootin."

Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the
world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the
planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time to eliminate
homelessness in America. It is time to eliminate World Cup Soccer from
America. To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We owe
you and we won't forget.

To the nations on List 2, a final thought. Drop dead.

God bless America.
Thank you and good night.

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English,
thank a soldier."

(n)

enree erzweglle
05-11-2005, 02:27 PM
I stopped reading that message at "My Fellow Americans...".

There's lots of stuff floating around that's designed to make you feel bad on that deep level. I pick and choose what's worth that sort of deep reaction and then unleash it in ways that'll help.

EN[i]GMA
05-11-2005, 02:31 PM
Conservatives are stupid.

Nuzzolese
05-11-2005, 02:33 PM
How do you choose what will upset you. Some people really believe this kind of thing. I hate getting into conversations with people who think this way and are so proud of themselves, so laughing and condescending and sure of themselves, like the old man in the bookstore who was talking to me about blacks and islamics and the KKK. I get so angry and don't know what to say but I want to say something even if it's just to myself, because otherwise I feel passive and without integrity.

EN[i]GMA
05-11-2005, 02:35 PM
How do you choose what will upset you. Some people really believe this kind of thing. I hate getting into conversations with people who think this way and are so proud of themselves, so laughing and condescending and sure of themselves, like the old man in the bookstore who was talking to me about blacks and islamics and the KKK. I get so angry and don't know what to say but I want to say something even if it's just to myself, because otherwise I feel passive and without integrity.

Dunno.

What they generally try to do is to make you angry, to push your buttons.

Just point out logical inconsistencies and move on.

enree erzweglle
05-11-2005, 02:41 PM
I hate getting into conversations with people who think this way and are so proud of themselves, so laughing and condescending and sure of themselves...
I didn't mean to sound arrogant if you were talking about me or my response to your note. You asked and I answered honestly. I apologize if I sounded condescending or prideful.

How do you choose what will upset you. Some people really believe this kind of thing.
How do I choose what will upset me? Well, I can't in all cases, but when I get messages like what you posted, I don't read them unless they're from someone that I know and trust. That's one way to at least cut down on stuff that riles me.

There are people who are excellent at putting bad things into a nearly universal perspective. They do that and the things that might irk me or you are noise to them. I'm not talking theoretically, I'm talking real-life. I know someone who does this effectively and it's not that he's repressing emotion or denying it. He is just about the most laid-back yet caring and compassionate person you'd ever want to know. In my eyes, it's truly a gift to know him because I learn so much from his attitude and just his way of being & living. It's beautiful, really.

Qdrop
05-11-2005, 03:03 PM
"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT,
DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?
"Bush has been impeached for the following..."
-oh wait..

My Fellow Americans:
As you all know, the defeat of Iraq regime has been completed. now how about those insurgents? we weren't planning on them huh?

Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our
mission in Iraq is complete.
yeah, that's some sound logic. does that work for health care too?

This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American
forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. when is this? 2035?

It is now to begin the reckoning.

Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries
which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short.
The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of the
countries listed there. otherwise know as "our bitches".

i'm so glad he didn't forget Poland.


The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the
world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing
copies of both lists later this evening.

Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those
nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. yeah...then the world will love us ALL the more.
very pragmatic.

The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war. of course, most of that money will actually go to Haliburton and Big Oil.

The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world
Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.

Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France. oh, on the surface....this seems great.

speaking of corruption....where are those WMD's, bush? and those links to Al-Queda and Bin Ladin?

In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money
toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home. sounds great. can we start with political lobbying and Administration corruption?

On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt
you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the
earth.

sounds fuckin great.



where's bin ladin again?

Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe
China.

To Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Yo, boys. Work out a peace deal
now. Just note that Camp David is closed. Maybe all of you can go to
Russia for negotiations. They have some great palaces there. Big tables,
too.
sounds great....
too bad we need Isreal as an Allie in our "quest to control the oil"


I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with
France, Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are
retiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis.

yeah...isolation will work wonders.

Russia, with vast amounts of natural resources, has NOTHING to offer us...
yeah...
smart.


I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN
diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking
tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and
crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps
have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or
watch your precious Benzes, Beamers, and limos be turned over to some of
the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York .

now this, i can't argue with.

A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are likely
to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not
pissing us off for a change.

ya know....i can't argue with this either.

Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire corrupt government
really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple extra tanks and
infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am going to put em? Yep,
border security. Radical.

So start doing something with your oil. actually, how about we just come take it.

are you...ahh...linked to any terrorists?...got any WMD's?

Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA
treaty - starting now.

We are tired of the one-way highway.

It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens.
Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, "darn
tootin."

yeah...in world of globalization...let's turn into hermits.

we'd last 50 years then die.

Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the
planet. well, there's 2 sides to that.

It is time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time to eliminate homelessness in America. It is time to eliminate World Cup Soccer from
America. YAY to both.

To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We oweyou and we won't forget.

continue to suck our dicks or we'll fucking invade you.

To the nations on List 2, a final thought. Drop dead.

and send us your terrorists.

Nuzzolese
05-11-2005, 03:18 PM
Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world

This part really kills me. Yeah right, that's what we do. "We were only trying to do good!" Whatevs!!

Yay Q! Dr. Feelgood.

zippo
05-11-2005, 04:01 PM
The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.

well, apart from them being hell-holes, the rest of it is pretty much true really
u know, in general

Whois
05-11-2005, 04:13 PM
Typical crap...ignore it.

Funkaloyd
05-11-2005, 06:50 PM
How do you choose what will upset you. Some people really believe this kind of thing.
Try to be glad that it's not going to happen. There will always be people with stupid opinions, but there's not much of a problem if they don't have any power.

D_Raay
05-12-2005, 12:22 AM
As F. Scott Fitzgerald explained of his characters in "The Great Gatsby," "They were careless people, Tom and Daisy--they smashed things up and creatures and then retreated back into their money, or their vast carelessness... and let other people clean up the mess." America has not been venal in the Arab world. But it has been careless.

The disproportionate feelings of grievance directed at America have to be placed in the overall context of the sense of humiliation, decline and despair that sweeps the Arab world. After all, the Chinese vigorously disagree with most of America's foreign policy and have fought wars with U.S. proxies. African states feel the same sense of disappointment and unfairness. But they do not work it into a rage against America. Arabs, however, feel that they are under siege from the modern world and that the United States symbolizes this world. Thus every action America takes gets magnified a thousandfold. And even when we do not act, the rumors of our gigantic powers and nefarious deeds still spread. Most Americans would not believe how common the rumor is throughout the Arab world that either the CIA or Israel's Mossad blew up the World Trade Center to justify attacks on Arabs and Muslims. This is the culture from which the suicide bombers have come.

Why is Israel not mentioned in this e-mail you think?

Wait, wait I am giving it way too much credit...

Ali
05-12-2005, 05:21 AM
Try to be glad that it's not going to happen. There will always be people with stupid opinions, but there's not much of a problem if they don't have any power.What planet do you live on?!?

Last time I looked, the people with stupid opinions have all the power!

10-1 the author of that crappy speech drives a pick-up with a big 'ol flag flappin on the roof.

I see France is once more the focus of Republican fury. Maybe they should cut off US aid to France. Or send French troops to Ivory Coast?

Actually, I really, really do wish that a US President would make a speech like that. It'd be interesting to see how long Amerikkka would survive on its own.

Funkaloyd
05-12-2005, 06:26 AM
Bush et al. qualify as "crazy, not stupid." They could cancel foreign aid and alienate 95% of the world, but it they wouldn't last long. And they're anything but isolationists.

freetibet
05-12-2005, 06:37 AM
Hmm.. all You lefties commenting this would fit in Spain around 1937. Getting killed by NKWD [pre-KGB], however still willing to suck Stalin's balls and praise socialism.

Third world - such a waste of money and what in return? hatred :p

Mexico - third world lucky as hell to be so close to the USA..:\

Fine, we're USA's bitches. So were France and GB (no offence to GB) in WWII, weren't they? And about 50 other countries.

To European dorks - western Russia would end on Cap Roca in Portugal if it weren't for the USA. Who helped Europe? France?????????????? LMAO

freetibet
05-12-2005, 06:39 AM
Yeah, the author is a redneck........ :rolleyes: A flag - that's so medieval and nazi!

What flag would You NOT like to spit and shit on? USSR's?

Funkaloyd
05-12-2005, 06:48 AM
all You lefties commenting this would fit in Spain around 1937. Getting killed by NKWD [pre-KGB], however still willing to suck Stalin's balls and praise socialism.
Thank the Catholic Lord above for Franco, eh?

Qdrop
05-12-2005, 07:13 AM
Why is Israel not mentioned in this e-mail you think?



it was:

"To Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Yo, boys. Work out a peace deal now. Just note that Camp David is closed. Maybe all of you can go to
Russia for negotiations. They have some great palaces there. Big tables,
too...."

Whois
05-12-2005, 11:18 AM
Why is Israel not mentioned in this e-mail you think?



It is, but not the billions of dollars we give them...interesting.

BTW the person who originated this piece (of crap) clearly demonstrates that American schools are failing to do their job....that would be to educate.

D_Raay
05-12-2005, 11:24 AM
It is, but not the billions of dollars we give them...interesting.

BTW the person who originated this piece (of crap) clearly demonstrates that American schools are failing to do their job....that would be to educate.
That's what I meant, the billions of dollars...

johntoefoot
05-12-2005, 11:29 AM
that message it too fucking shortsighted. color everything black and white. the world is grey.

ASsman
05-12-2005, 01:29 PM
Sign him up to some all male fisting goat porn.

Or are the goats being objectified? PETA!! !!

Whois
05-12-2005, 02:45 PM
Sign him up to some all male fisting goat porn.

Or are the goats being objectified? PETA!! !!

:eek: (y)

freetibet
05-14-2005, 03:15 PM
Thank the Catholic Lord above for Franco, eh?

Yeah, and for Stalin and Mao. 10-1 that a soviet republic in the West would also kill thousands, but that would be 'people's government' and 'people's rights' and so on.

Besides - a good communist is a dead one. Fuck their political views and programs, we don't want them. Do You want them?? :eek: