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boys_beastie
05-12-2005, 05:18 AM
info (http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=856) on how mumia was treated when he chose to represent himself in court.

important (http://www.nodeathpenalty.org/factsheets/mumia.html) evidence on the mumia case.

i think this is sufficient info to base an opinion. there are plenty of arguments for and against on google if its not.

if you want to campaign for his freedom or sign petitions go to the international concerned friends and family of mumia abu-jamal. (http://www.mumia.org)

also, if this interests you, read into the leonard peltier (http://www.freepeltier.org) case.

thanks, WEllS

Loppfessor
05-12-2005, 05:37 AM
U suck...

RobMoney
05-12-2005, 07:42 AM
Justice for Police Officer Daniel Faulkner (http://www.danielfaulkner.com/)


Some FACTS about the case.

Knowledge is King

Laver1969
05-12-2005, 07:52 AM
Please move this stuff to the political section.

boys_beastie
05-12-2005, 12:35 PM
U suck...

why? im not taking sides, im just providing info.

AND SORRY FOR POSTING THIS IN THE WRONG PLACE

ps. the links i posted are facts...

Tone Capone
05-12-2005, 12:45 PM
Justice for Police Officer Daniel Faulkner (http://www.danielfaulkner.com/)


Some FACTS about the case.

Knowledge is King

Wow! How did I know that a known racist (robmoney) would post something like this???

ps. Aren't you late for a cross burning somewhere???

boys_beastie
05-12-2005, 12:52 PM
eek should have posted this in the political section sos guys but im just tryin to get people to wise up to the injustice. or atleast learn more factd. don't shoot the messenger.


WEllS

ps 'robmoney' i dont really see any fatcs on that website, just slander e.g. 'a poster boy for anti death sentence campaign' and 'a twisted sort of hero'

but anyway if we continue this lets take it to the polical section.

RobMoney
05-13-2005, 08:49 AM
Try This (http://www.danielfaulkner.com/mythsdir.html) for some facts



P.S....click the links for each (y)

Qdrop
05-13-2005, 09:10 AM
Rob's link seems pretty solid.

kinda hard to argue against that...they really lay it out well.

EN[i]GMA
05-13-2005, 01:55 PM
Rob's link seems pretty solid.

kinda hard to argue against that...they really lay it out well.

It's impossible to argue against.

The Mumia case is so blatently obvious it's a minor miracle he has ANY supporters.

Anyone who knows the actual facts cannot say he is innocent.

Documad
05-13-2005, 07:17 PM
Wow, thanks Rob for that great link. I had read a lot of other info. that raised questions but they never cite reliable sources.

It answered a few of the questions that I've had for years -- mostly why he wasn't allowed to represent himself at trial. I had never heard that he was allowed to represent himself and then lost his privilege by screaming in court (which of course he has no right to do). Also, I had never heard that he wanted a non lawyer to represent him (which of course is not allowed). And nice see it from the transcript.

A long time ago, I worked on a case where a multiple murderer got to act as his own attorney. It's a nightmare. We had drama almost every day re his bathroom habits, etc. My favorite part was when the murderer cross-examined my cop buddy who had arrested him. Murderer: "were you going to shoot me if I hadn't put my gun down?" Cop buddy: "You betcha."

A judge needs amazing patience to get through a trial with a defendant who is acting as his own attorney. The excerpts from the transcript here seem to show the judge making every effort before finally terminating it. I guess that's why it's been upheld in light of multiple subsequent court challenges. I find it mind-boggling that the federal court judge wrote a 260 page opinion. I guess it was all the publicity. Holy cow. It was too hard to read the whole thing on my tiny laptop screen, so I skipped to the good parts. :)

I've also always wondered about Mumia's reputation prior to the killing. That Vanity Fair article says that he didn't have much of one. Which would explain a lot.

My heart goes out to the officer's wife. I can't imagine losing a husband and then watching the trial and seeing the guy convicted, and thinking it's over, but finding out that it's never going to be over. (I worked on a few cases where the guys never gave up, but at least Alice Walker wasn't visiting them in prison.

boys_beastie -- I don't think you know what "facts" are.

Tone -- what is racist about showing that a guy who was convicted of a crime after a jury trial seems to have gotten a fair trial? I think you should have read Rob's link before posting.


P.S. I am opposed to the death penalty in every case.

RobMoney
05-13-2005, 08:45 PM
My heart goes out to the officer's wife. I can't imagine losing a husband and then watching the trial and seeing the guy convicted, and thinking it's over, but finding out that it's never going to be over. (I worked on a few cases where the guys never gave up, but at least Alice Walker wasn't visiting them in prison.

Yeah, that is why this case is such a hot topic in Philadelphia. On one side, You have a lot of celebrities who got behind Mumia's cause, (most notably, our own Beastie Boys who played a benefit concert for Mumia), and on the other hand you have every cop and their families who feel what Mrs. Faulkner is going through. She is the person I feel the worst for, she didn't do anything to be put in the middle of this.

It's a very racially divided argument as well, Black suspect, White cop and all.



boys_beastie -- I don't think you know what "facts" are.


A lot of people don't know what the facts are. I happen to know someone who is very close to one of Mumia's children (Mumia's children are in their mid-twenties now). I've heard some things that would make a lot of his supporters cringe, but it is only rumor so I won't bother repeating it.




Tone -- what is racist about showing that a guy who was convicted of a crime after a jury trial seems to have gotten a fair trial? I think you should have read Rob's link before posting.



Tone spends entirely too much time hating me. I think he either wants to kill me or fuck me, but he's desperetly is seeking my attention either way.

boys_beastie
05-16-2005, 05:30 PM
i do know what a fact is. considering ive searched for things like robmoney posted the second time and not found anything, only what i posted, can you blame me for thinking what i think? additionally, i dont beleive in capitol punishment anyway...

boys_beastie
05-16-2005, 05:49 PM
ill also admit, this is powerful information, but do you think this is fair? "Only in the twisted minds of Jamal's most crazed devotees would the minor dispute about the angle of Jamal's wound matter." and all opinions on who kiled him aside, am i right he was killed because he abused jamal's family. thats what i read.

boys_beastie
05-16-2005, 05:58 PM
ultimately im campaining against capitol punishment. he's served quite a sentence as it is.

EN[i]GMA
05-16-2005, 06:19 PM
ultimately im campaining against capitol punishment. he's served quite a sentence as it is.

Officer Faulkner has served and will serve a longer one.

He gets no sympathy from me.

EN[i]GMA
05-16-2005, 06:21 PM
ill also admit, this is powerful information, but do you think this is fair? "Only in the twisted minds of Jamal's most crazed devotees would the minor dispute about the angle of Jamal's wound matter." and all opinions on who kiled him aside, am i right he was killed because he abused jamal's family. thats what i read.

He didn't 'abuse Jamal's family', his brother was pulled over by Officer Faulkner for a traffic offense, he proceeded to become belligerant and Officer Faulkner had to use force (I believe it was initiated by Mumia's brother). Mumia happend to see this going on, came over, and shot Officer Faulkner.

boys_beastie
05-17-2005, 02:59 AM
no im talking about in the past. thats what i had read, im not saying this is what i beleive.. dont go getting all hostile. :p im just looking to have a discussion here and find out new info.

RobMoney
05-17-2005, 07:20 AM
Son,....please put your hands in the air and get out of this thread NOW!






Signed,

The Philadelphia Police Dept.

RobMoney
05-17-2005, 07:23 AM
considering ive searched for things like robmoney posted the second time and not found anything, only what i posted, can you blame me for thinking what i think?



Do you know how to operate a computer?
There are links on there that dispell every rumor about the case and it's all backed up with facts.

Whois
05-17-2005, 11:02 AM
Son,....please put your hands in the air and get out of this thread NOW!






Signed,

The Philadelphia Police Dept.

Actually it would be more like:

POW POW POW!

STOP!

boys_beastie
05-18-2005, 10:29 AM
stfu pricks, you obviously dont understand wot im sayin

freetibet
05-20-2005, 04:25 PM
how nice to see such good evidence. (y)

What about Leonard Peltier? I like Indians but it seems quite a similar case.

Calling RobMoney racist, wow ;D Now that was racist - You assumed that he had something against the black guy. Is there anything against black people? ;P bla bla
It's called '2 standards', isn't it?

Documad
05-20-2005, 05:25 PM
i do know what a fact is. considering ive searched for things like robmoney posted the second time and not found anything, only what i posted, can you blame me for thinking what i think? additionally, i dont beleive in capitol punishment anyway...
I was trying to say that everything you read on the internet isn't a fact, it isn't true. There is a ton of horse shit on the internet. When you use a search engine like Google, you get things ranked in an order, and the way they rank things (aside from the sites that pay), tends to put the more entertaining things first. Unless I can somehow tailor a narrow search, I wind up finding what I'm looking for on page 40 or so.

The site Rob linked has actual portions of the transcript and orders from judges and courts, which in my mind makes its statements more likely to be reliable.


I'm not sure about Peltier. An organization I used to belong to did a lot of work for him. There is a lot that I don't understand. The other guys who didn't run to Canada went to trial first and got acquited, which makes me wonder whether he would have been acquited if he hadn't run. I've heard the attorneys who won the case speak fairly often about the trial. I don't know whether the government had better evidence on Peltier or if the prosecutors did a better job the second time around, or whether they just had a different jury. Seems like a lot of judges have reviewed his case though and he's had some of the best representation available, so I can sleep at night. Given the history and climate at the time, it's always been difficult for me to believe that two experienced law enforcement guys would have fired up into the hills on a reservation when they had to know they were surrounded by armed indians. We will never know what went down, and I can't remember much anymore, but that doesn't make sense.

boys_beastie
05-25-2005, 10:37 AM
ok cool. that post was starting to get out of hand. and i misunderstodd some people, and i tihnk some people misunderstood me. but lets forget it. :)