My piece about John Bolton

[catatonic]

I wish they would filibuster John Bolton, but I know that would be tough. He's the architect for the Iran war. I think Iran is building weapons, but I also think they can be dealt with peacefully and he's just not the guy to do it. Maybe he won't get enough votes.

[PureWhiteRace]

Bolton knows what hes doing, he serves President Bush, anyone that doesnt serve the President will be soon shot because our gun laws are getting better everyday, the war in Iraq will move to Iran where we can burn all them fuckers for not being the pure race, white power

[D_Raay]

It's hard to believe that this is even an issue. This man clearly is not right for this job. I didn't think it would have gone this far. Maybe it's human nature; my own human nature. Every time I think they wouldn't possibly go THERE- they do.
I wonder where is the outrage? There are people here on this board that show it, and I know others out there feel same. Somehow we are silenced. We have been forsaken by the very people we put our trust in to look out for our best interests and our safety. It has become US against THEM. The very thing our founders warned us of. How did we let it happen? It doesn't matter who you are... Q, Ace, Ass, Catatonic, Queeny, Mae, Lopp, droppin, Schmeltz, Whois,and all you others on here, we all breathe the same air, drink the same water, and see the same bullshit, granted maybe on different levels... It may have come time to actually do something. I cannot sit idly by anymore whilst people like this fellow Bolton are being put in charge of our safety.

[D_Raay]

Let me give you an example...

The next president of the United States was on the road last week, throwing red meat about "moral issues" to a baying crowd of Bushist Party faithful - while simultaneously trying to cut off medical support for a 6-year-old girl his agents had previously tried to kill.

Yes, it was Jeb Bush, governor of the ruling family's Florida dominions, pounding the pulpit - er, podium - at a Republican conclave in Georgia. Jeb told the flock that the party must stand for "absolute truth" (something previously associated with religious cults) if they want to maintain their "ascendancy" over the nation, The Associated Press reports. "There is such a thing as right and wrong," he declared. Whipped into a frenzy by this blazing revelation, the crowd responded with cries for Bush to ascend to his brother's throne in 2008.


But even as Jeb basked in the bootlicking adulation, his peculiar sense of "right and wrong" was on vivid display in a Florida courtroom. There, his minions are fighting to stop state aid for young Marissa Amora - four years after they sought a court order to let her die following a savage beating, The Palm Beach Post reports. What's more, these same minions - the Department of Children and Families - could have prevented the beating, which left Marissa permanently disabled.

In late 2000, as Jeb was ensuring the "ascendancy" of his brother by -among many other tricks - deliberately slashing thousands of eligible African-American voters from the rolls, Marissa was hospitalized for a month. Doctors and nurses saw telltale signs of past beatings - and witnessed her neglectful mother abusing her in the hospital. They pleaded for DCF to intervene. But the agency, perhaps mindful of Jeb's fierce public championing of "family values," declined to step in.

Then came the inevitable: A few weeks later, Marissa was back in the hospital, beaten nearly to death, with severe injuries to her brain and liver and several broken bones. Now the DCF took an interest: They rushed to court to obtain a "Do Not Resuscitate" order for the mangled 2-year-old. For God's sake, don't let her live, the DCF told Marisa's doctors, because she might "potentially" be left "in a vegetative state."

But the doctors disagreed with the Bushists' expert diagnosis. And so Marissa is still alive today - brain-damaged, crippled, fed through a stomach tube, but alert, talkative, happy, with a new foster mother. Indeed, she would seem to be a shining example of the "culture of life" that we hear so much about these days from certain pulpit-pounding politicians. But to Jeb and the DCF, she's just a "useless eater," a budgetary burden, a mistake to be flushed away. Without state aid, her new family will sink beneath the staggering cost of Marissa's treatment - and the decent life that she's clawed back from the hellhole Jeb left her in years ago will wither on the vine.

'Tis passing strange. After all, this is the same agency - and the same governor - that just fought all the way to the Supreme Court to keep the long-brain-dead Terri Schiavo existing in a very real "vegetative state." Jeb even found himself lauded on the front page of The New York Times for "cementing his political stature" in the case, with his maneuvers "rooted" in a "deep" religious faith "rather than in political posturing." Yet he was perfectly willing - even eager - to pull the plug on Marissa Amora, and is still trying to destroy her life.

How can this be? For one who lives solely by the "absolute truth," what could possibly be the difference between a crippled, abused, neglected little black girl with no money or connections, and a nice white woman whose case was promoted worldwide by the maniacal, filthy-rich extremist factions that form the base of his brother's "ascendancy"? Since we know from the highest authority that Jeb would never stoop to mere "political posturing," the apparent hideous hypocrisy in his behavior must forever remain an ineffable mystery, like the Trinity, or the 2000 Florida election results.

[D_Raay]

On the day after more than 30,000 people - including the vice president, the first lady, and a former first lady - were evacuated from their offices or homes in Washington, D.C., but the president, who was biking in Maryland was not notified until the threat passed, reporters grilled Press Secretary Scott McClellan at his daily briefing.

For those who might have missed it on TV - that is, nearly everyone - , McClellan continually refers to "protocols" and reporters essentially ask, "Wouldn't most men like to know when their home is evacuated and their wife is hustled to a secure bunker?" They also wonder about the small matter of the president being commander in chief and the capital, theoretically, coming under attack.

Some reporters also suggested that the off-kilter Cessna had come much closer to the White House than McClellan's claim yesterday of three miles.

[catatonic]

Still, I wish you guys wouldn't swear. There is altogether too much swearing on this forum. It doesn't make you guys look intelligent. Surely there are more persuasive words.

[D_Raay]

I said "bullshit" once, is that what you were referring too?

[EN[i]GMA]

Still, I wish you guys wouldn't swear. There is altogether too much swearing on this forum. It doesn't make you guys look intelligent. Surely there are more persuasive words.

Swear words ARE the most persuasive words.

For example:

Screw you!

Fuck you!

Point noted?

There is no good reason not to cuss, no good reason to censor yourself.

[catatonic]

I came on this board and the first two threads had curse words in them.

Enigma, I disagree. Curse words are thought stopping gimmicks that make it hard for a person to think and remember what he heard or read. But that doesn't make them persuasive in a good way. Someone who has to use them might not be making a good point around the curse word.

[SobaViolence]

i'm hurt that i wasn't mentioned, d_raay...


:rolleyes:

[freetibet]

What nationality were those savage people who beaten their child?

They wanted to save Schiavo and it was medieval, they want to 'kill' the baby and it's medieval. Fucking (oops) knights:/

[EN[i]GMA]

I came on this board and the first two threads had curse words in them.

Enigma, I disagree. Curse words are thought stopping gimmicks that make it hard for a person to think and remember what he heard or read. But that doesn't make them persuasive in a good way. Someone who has to use them might not be making a good point around the curse word.

Very honestly, I view them as just other words. I don't make distinctions about 'good ones' or 'bad ones', I just take their meanings at face value.

It's stupid to call some words 'bad' just becuase you want to.

[catatonic]

Marissa Amora is Black. I don't know exactly what her nationality is. But she's adopted, and her abusive, adoptive mother is White. Again I don't know what nationality her mother is. She's also quite happy, even though her life's being taken from her. There are pictures of them here (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-pmoesha11may11,0,8400.story?coll=sfla-news-palm).

I just am grossed out that they make a big deal about Terri Schiavo but if someone can't afford to be kept alive it's "pull the plug." It's like they value money over human life.

Enigma, just out curiosity how would you ever use those words in a productive way? Keep in mind that idioms imply thinking about the word.

[EN[i]GMA]

Marissa Amora is Black. I don't know exactly what her nationality is. But she's adopted, and her abusive, adoptive mother is white. She's also quite happy, even though her life's being taken from her.

I just am grossed out that they make a big deal about Terri Schiavo but if someone can't afford to be kept alive it's "pull the plug." It's like they value money over human life.

Enigma, just out curiosity how would you ever use those words in a productive way? Keep in mind that idioms imply thinking about the word.

What do you mean 'productive'?

I use them very often in my common discourse, with my friends and the like, and it's a very positive, effective word.

In other areas, not so much.

It's just a word, it's productivity or lack thereof is defined by its use.

[catatonic]

How is it positive when you are referring to someone being taken advantage of for sex? How is it that more effective than a word to describe the particular kind of messing up the person is doing?

Can you think of a time when you've used the f word in a positive way? In this instance when D_Raay used the b word it degrades the situation, since if all we see is b.s. there's certainly no hope for fixing that b.s., since it's b.s.

[Funkaloyd]

Can you think of a time when you've used the f word in a positive way?
"Hell f'ing yeah!"

^ Positive.

Question: If all that is good comes from God, then is shouting "goodness!" considered blasphemy?

[D_Raay]

i'm hurt that i wasn't mentioned, d_raay...


:rolleyes:
Ah man, to be completely honest with you, I couldn't think of your name off the top of my head and didn't want to lose my train of thought. I was cursing myself for being so stupid as to not remember names such as yours and later on I realized I left out yeahwho too who is one of my favorite posters. Oh well I will try to be more conscientious and less absent minded in the future.

[Schmeltz]

This man clearly is not right for this job. I didn't think it would have gone this far.


To tell you the truth, I don't really find it all that unbelievable. The neoconservative agenda is fundamentally anti-U.N., an ideological stance that has dictated the most significant elements of its foreign policy as implemented by the Bush administration, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to see that ideological influence expressed in international diplomacy. If the judicial and legislative branches of government are largely directed by a single political organ, it's only logical to assume that foreign policy will follow the same course.


I wonder where is the outrage?


There's probably a lot more outrage than anyone would think, but somehow it simply isn't as effective at negotiating a dominant position in the social discourse of America. The Bush administration has exploited America's cultural symbology to a degree more sophisticated than has ever before been achieved, and opposing voices simply can't compete to the same pitch of social relevance. The last election proved this more than ever. The neoconservative voice of American politics, by virtue of its successful redefinition of American culture, occupies a dominant position in the negotiated discourses that inform American government and legislation. So long as the Democrats are unable to relate to the interpretive value of the American social landscape, the Republicans will maintain their grip on the institutions of the state.

It's that simple. The Republicans will eventually self-destruct (like the Liberals have, here in Canada), but American culture will stultify in the interim. It would be much more interesting to see the real success of a countervalent voice in American public opinion. The production of such a societal trend is the most important challenge to American democracy - at least, as I see it.

[D_Raay]

Indeed. I was speaking more of the disbelief I have personally that the junta is still rolling. I was thinking more historically. We still don't know by whom we were struck that infamous Tuesday, or for what true purpose. But it is fairly plain to many civil libertarians that 9/11 put paid not only to much of our fragile Bill of Rights but also to our once-envied system of government which had taken a mortal blow the previous year when the Supreme Court did a little dance in 5/4 time and replaced a popularly elected President with the oil and gas Bush-Cheney junta.

[Qdrop]

i share your anger and disgust, D.

personally, i really don't think Bolton is going to get the nod....and if he does, he'll be under a microscope.

every weekend news show (face the nation, this week, ect) were all over this and the Nuclear Option contraversies...

many did not feel that EITHER had enough votes or support to go through.

(well, Bolton has the votes...but the contraversy, if kept at a high boil....may cause Bush to buckle and nominate another.)

[catatonic]

"Hell f'ing yeah!"

^ Positive.

Question: If all that is good comes from God, then is shouting "goodness!" considered blasphemy?

Not positive. You described associating yourself with Hell, saying if there was a creator you'd like to rebel against Him, and then you supported taking advantage of someone for sex. You had to support all these things to simply say "yeah."

I don't think Bush would withdraw Bolton easily. He wants him for the Iran war, and he's not likely to change his mind on Iran easily.

Shouting "goodness" as in it wasn't good but you're saying it was good - yes I guess that is blasphemy. Old lady's make Biblical mistakes too, some of them.

[catatonic]

I guess if you said, "No s---" that would almost be positive because you're saying there is none, but then you're insulting the person by suggesting they assumed there was some.

[catatonic]

Anyway, does anyone have any ideas about what to do about John Bolton.

Should I write all my senators again? Is there anything I can do?

[D_Raay]

Anyway, does anyone have any ideas about what to do about John Bolton.

Should I write all my senators again? Is there anything I can do?
I have contmeplated that myself. I have written to my Senator and my delegates, but I am sure I will get a less than satisfactory response as I always do. There are petitions out there I am sure, let's try that...

[catatonic]

I couldn't find any petitions! Oh never mind. You just have to look for petitions.

Here are the petitions you can sign that I found:
http://ga4.org/campaign/boltonchafee/step1.tcl
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/884046218?z00m=22707
http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?itemid=18813

Unfortunately, the third most popular page is pro-Bolton, so Dems need all the help they can get, but you can still register for it and vote against Bolton in their poll. Remember, 80% of Rhode Islanders oppose Bolton.