The Clash's Sandinisita!

[abcdefz]

...what a great album. Yeah, it's definitely all over the place, but I dig it.

[mickill]

Love The Clash. Not a fan of this album, though.

I think Police On My Back and Somebody Got Murdered are the only real high points. Anything would have been a disappointment after London Calling, but this album was waaaaay below par, in my opinion. You'd think that from 6 sides you'd be able to assemble at least one truly extraordinary album, but it's just not possible.

[Jadge Fucking 1]

Punks on coke :/

[alexandra]

Lightning Strikes (Not Once But Twice).

think about it.

[abcdefz]

I think that people's main problem with it is it doesn't sound like a "Clash" album, which is why usually people immediately grab onto "Somebody Got Murdered" and "Police on My Back." This was more like their Lee Perry album or something, kind of like how Hello Nasty gets to drift toward the end. I love that stuff.

I think what made me more open to it was that it was the first Clash album I ever heard. (I didn't realize one of my brothers had London Calling -- he NEVER played it, and wound up giving it to me when I tried to turn him on to Sandinista.) I'd read a really glowing review of the record right before it came out and it was my first adventure outside of fairly mainstream music, so I was prepared for it to be different.

I really dig the world bazaar aspect of the album. I mean, it's really global -- global thinking, global sounding. I dig it I dig it I dig it I dig it I dig it.

B+.

[enree erzweglle]

...what a great album. Yeah, it's definitely all over the place, but I dig it.
If I've ever heard Clash music, I didn't know it.
I was alive and ready for them in the 80s so I don't quite know how I missed it.

I have 7 credits on iTunes. Tell me which Clash songs to get & I'll do it.

[abcdefz]

Ooh... tough call.

You can sample them first, right?

I'd lend your ear to


Janie Jones
I Fought the Law
Career Opportunities (from The Clash; not the version on Sandinista)
Stay Free
London Calling
The Magnificent Seven
Rudy can't Fail
Police on My Back

Also check:

White Riot
Somebody Got Murdered
Straight to Hell
The Call Up
London's Burning
Train in Vain (Stand by Me)
Hateful



Basically, you could start with The Clash (I'd go for the U.S. version) or London Calling -- either album is a great intro, both are necessary.

See what you think. (y)




By the way -- the two songs you surely know are Train in Vain (Stand by Me) and Rock the Casbah.

[Freebasser]

Train in Vain (Stand by Me)

Best. Clash. Song. Ever.

[enree erzweglle]

Thanks, a., for the recommendations.

I just pulled these four over and have them on repeat for the day:

. Magnificent Seven
. Police on My Back
. The Call Up
. London's Burning

and

. Know Your Rights (which I apparently had via a 9/11 collection album that someone gave me. I like that song a lot and didn't put together that it was The Clash.)

[Freebasser]

I just made an interactive text piece in flash that uses Know Your Rights.

Good song (y)

[abcdefz]

Allllllllllll threeof'em.



Yeah -- that's a cool song. Zero subtlety, but very cool.

[abcdefz]

Thanks, a., for the recommendations.

I just pulled these four over and have them on repeat for the day:

. Magnificent Seven
. Police on My Back
. The Call Up
. London's Burning

and

. Know Your Rights (which I apparently had via a 9/11 collection album that someone gave me. I like that song a lot and didn't put together that it was The Clash.)



That's an interesting selection, as far as a portrait of The Clash goes.

I'd probably grab London Calling, Hateful, and Career Opportunities to sort of round things out.

Boy, that's just hard. There are so many great songs!

[enree erzweglle]

Train in Vain (Stand by Me)

Best. Clash. Song. Ever.

I forgot to say that I didn't get that song from iTunes because I knew it. I just didn't know that it was The Clash.

This happens a lot. I think lots of songs are stuck in my head that are by bands that I know but I don't know I know them.

I have a friend who got a mix tape from a friend that was a copy-over (his friend copied the tape over existing music). There was this bit of a song left over that my friend always heard at the end of his tape and he loved that song, but he didn't know the name of it or even who the artist was. Then, that song became popular in some credit card ad or something years later. My friend heard it and was all like, "I've been looking forever for that song." I knew his story, I just didn't know the song and never heard his snippet on the tape.

It turns out that the song that burly he-man liked...?
Enya. I've never and will never let him forget this.

[abcdefz]

Ha! (y)

[enree erzweglle]

Ha! (y)
Bleep abcdefz, what are you doing up? Isn't it like 5am there? (I shouldn't talk, though, because I was up at 4:30 this morning but you're usually not here this early are you.)

[abcdefz]

Yeah. I actually got in at about 4 AM and I'm just putzing around.

I'd been doing really good with my diet and exercise for a couple of weeks, so what did I do last night? Ordered a pizza, of course. It sits like a lump in my gut, so I couldn't really sleep.

[enree erzweglle]

Yeah. I actually got in at about 4 AM and I'm just putzing around.

I'd been doing really good with my diet and exercise for a couple of weeks, so what did I do last night? Ordered a pizza, of course. It sits like a lump in my gut, so I couldn't really sleep.

Are you trying to lose weight or just get in better cardio shape/have better muscle tone? I shouldn't do it, but I'm going to talk about exercise and risk pissing off people who don't like to read about it.

I had to change up my exercising in the last month and I wound up losing a few pounds. I didn't particuarly want to do that because what I lost is muscle that I've worked harder than a month to add. :( Anyway, I write down everything I eat and I write down all of the stuff I do from an exercise perspective. It helps to identify plusses/minuses that way.

I eat pizza once a week with a friend who loves this place down the street from me. We don't order a whole pizza or else I'd wind up eating my 2 slices and he'd eat put 6 in him. So we order them by the slice--2 each and that's just about what I want anyway where he winds up eyeing up mine as I'm eating them. Hands off. :D

[abcdefz]

Well, the mistake I'm making is that I'm just trying to lose weight. And, really, the best, fastest way to do that always is to build muscle. But I haven't been lifting -- just cut the crappy food out of my diet and bike for 30-35 minutes first thing in the morning. So I dropped about seven pounds and now it's just sort of leveling off.

I need to get off my butt and get back to lifting. I get in shape really fast when I want to, and I always prefer feeling that way; I don't know why I don't maintain it as a lifestyle instead of on-a-year, off-a-year sort of thing.

Muscle is almost always the first thing the body tries to break down; that doesn't make sense to me, except I guess we need to be warm more than we need to be strong(er). Are you being careful to eat carbs within half an hour after you work out? Even one banana will do.

[enree erzweglle]

I just lost my response to you. I typed something unintentionally and it's gone--not in the previous or next browser window. It'll probably show up in email to my entire company or something. I once inadvertently posted to my then-boyfriend's online boards a complete and extremely detailed itinerary of sex acts that I planned for the evening.

I build muscle easily and quickly but only to a point and only on certain parts of me. Some parts of me want to be muscley and other parts of me want to be puny.

I probably have 3-5 (?) pounds of fat on me total. I'm happy to keep that on me because when I've lost more than what I weigh right now, I tend to get more head colds and am cold lots. I'm at a healthy weight (about 125 @ 5'6) but I could probably boost that to 130 if I added 5# of muscle on my punier parts.

Muscle is almost always the first thing the body tries to break down; that doesn't make sense to me, except I guess we need to be warm more than we need to be strong(er). Are you being careful to eat carbs within half an hour after you work out? Even one banana will do.

I don't understand that either but your theory is probably right. The body usually likes to collect up fat for harsher times. [Ooooh....I am liking "The Call Up" and it's on rotation now.] If I don't exercise, I tend to get thinner, which sounds wonderful to a lot of people but it's not because it's not a good kind of thin.

I don't eat anything right after I exercise except for a diluted sports drink on mornings when I do >90 minutes of cardio. I don't want to eat then but I don't not want to eat then either. I might eat some fiber one at mid-morning, and then I have lunch at my desk at 12:15. I don't try to fit carbs in anywhere but I don't avoid them either. I sympathy-avoided carbs with a friend who did Atkins two years ago and I hated the way it affected me. I take them if I want them and leave them if I don't. I had the best banana yesterday afternoon.

[abcdefz]

...from what I've read, your >90 minutes of cardio might be the problem.

Supposedly, after about 60 minutes, your body switches from fat-burning mode to muscle-burning mode for continued fuel. That's also why it's not a great idea to do cardio and weights back-to-back; split it into a morning and afternoon or evening routine.

Having a right balance of carbs, protein, and fat in the diet really matters.

Maybe I'm telling you stuff you already know. But, also, don't worry too much about your weight, per se -- muscle weighs more than fat, so two people the exact same height and weight can still be in very, very different condition.

[enree erzweglle]

...from what I've read, your >90 minutes of cardio might be the problem.

It could be although I've done this for eons and only occasionally have the muscle-losing problem. This time, I'm pretty sure that it's related to having to cut out or cut back on weights and certain types of floor work for the last month or so. You're right about the effects of weights on the body. I get a totally different look to parts of me when I reduce or increase the floor work or weights.

If that 90-minute thing was the problem, I'd just eat it because there are times when I just love to keep going and I usually do. Sometimes it's because I want to & other times it's because friends show up in the middle and then I finish with them and another friend shows up close to the end of that...it's fun but it probably does interere at times.

[abcdefz]

Yeah.... but that's probably why we see more skinny runners than muscular ones. The hardcore runners, that is.

This lady I know who's in the Masters is just.... sooooooooo skinny. It's kind of gross. You'd think the famine had hit; but, boy, she can run.

[enree erzweglle]

This lady I know who's in the Masters is just.... sooooooooo skinny. It's kind of gross. You'd think the famine had hit; but, boy, she can run.

I know people like that. I've talked about this one woman in another thread. She's basically skin/bones with a little bit of a butt. She has short hair, but it's big hair and her hair & head are nearly wider than her shoulders. She's there when I'm there for a couple of hours in the morning and if I go in the afternoons, she's always been there. I went once in the middle of the day on my day off and she was there. Basically, if I vary my schedule and do something not at the normal-for-me times, I always see her at the gym. It's painful to look at her. I often wonder if the PTs should get involved but I guess they're not supposed to be proactie like that.

There are a few guys like that too. The one guy limps into that place every morning and he's just painfully thin. And the woman? She fights to stay on her machines for longer than the time limit. She basically goes from one machine to another to another. Maybe there's a point where you can't see yourself realistically and she's beyond that point. Or maybe she's driven to stay in good shape cardio-wise but is missing out on what it's doing to her body otherwise. Either way, I feel bad about it.

[enree erzweglle]

Fuck but I totally hijacked this thread with that other topic. Sorry, Clash fans.

Okay, so let me say that of the songs that I got from iTunes, I love "The Call Up" and "The Magnificent Seven."

Yeah, I'll buy an album--a real album (not one via iTunes).

Thanks, abcdefz, I appreciate the pointers/recommendations. This is not the first time you've done this for me.

And at the risk of re-hijaking this thread, I want to say that this is good cardio music. In the Monday-Tuesday-Wednesday-etc part of "Police on My Back," you can go double time. :D I'll have it in my ears tonight.

[abcdefz]

(y)

[Mr_Complex]

Ooh... tough call.

You can sample them first, right?

I'd lend your ear to


Janie Jones
I Fought the Law
Career Opportunities (from The Clash; not the version on Sandinista)
Stay Free
London Calling
The Magnificent Seven
Rudy can't Fail
Police on My Back

Also check:

White Riot
Somebody Got Murdered
Straight to Hell
The Call Up
London's Burning
Train in Vain (Stand by Me)
Hateful



Basically, you could start with The Clash (I'd go for the U.S. version) or London Calling -- either album is a great intro, both are necessary.

See what you think. (y)




By the way -- the two songs you surely know are Train in Vain (Stand by Me) and Rock the Casbah.

I can't believe the Card Cheat isn't on your list!

[abcdefz]

I can't believe the Card Cheat isn't on your list!


I just stopped, because she asked for seven and I... just... couldn't... stop.

Heck, where's Safe European Home? Bankrobber? Police and Theives? Garageland? Brand New Cadillac? The Sound of Sinners? Clampdown? White Man (in Hammersmith Palais)? This is Radio Clash?


See what I mean? :D

[enree erzweglle]

I just stopped, because she asked for seven and I... just... couldn't... stop.

I'll be having pizza tonight with my multi-slice-eating friend and when we do that, he gets a bottle of pepsi and that's where I get my iTunes credits...from the winning pepsi lids. Conceivably, tomorrow morning, I could be one song richer. I'll use it to get Card Cheat.

Little things in life do it for me.
I don't like jewelery, furs, couture, cut roses, expensive restaurants.
But when the pepsi lid wins, I glow.

[SobaViolence]

i really like 'Rebel Waltz'


it moves me.

[Savage Jimmy]

From Sandinista:

Crooked Beat
Magnifiscent 7
Junco Pardner
Ivan Meets GI JOe
and lets go Crazy


WHO THE FUCK SINGS ON LOSE THIS SKIN???????????????????????????????



in General my favorite Clash songs are

Magnifiscent 7
Guns Of Brixton
Lost In the SUpermarket
and Ghetto Defendent
and maybe Should I Stay Or Should I go cuz it was my first Clash song

[abcdefz]

WHO THE FUCK SINGS ON LOSE THIS SKIN???????????????????????????????






That's be Mickey Dredd.

Elaine Foley sings on Hitsville U.K.