European constitution

[Taco Zip]

To all the people from the EU, what are you going to vote?
My vote is YES.

[FloorK]

NO! ;)


( http://www.eunee.nl/ )

[Ferdinand_2]

Not going to vote

[Taco Zip]

NO! ;)


( http://www.eunee.nl/ )

That site is not quite objective.

Have you tried www.referendumwijzer.nl (http://www.referendumwijzer.nl) ? Tell me what your score is.

[FloorK]

Uw opvattingen komen voor
52%

overeen met de Grondwet.


I'm still gonna vote "no".

[Ali]

Non! Pas encore... (not yet).

Thish conshtitushin ish not ready, yet.

[open letter]

i can see it mite have its advantages like giving greater protection of human rights and fairer distrebution of welth ,so it is a yes for me

[EN[i]GMA]

Somewhat irrelevent, it's likely to fail in both France and the Netherlands.

[King of Rock II]

voting yes.

[Taco Zip]

GMA']Somewhat irrelevent, it's likely to fail in both France and the Netherlands.


That is because the civilians can't make though decisions like this. They are not skilled to do that.
This kind of questions shouldn't be solved by a referendum.

[Funkaloyd]

I see where you're coming from, but as the Constitution hadn't even been written when Chirac or Balkenende were campaigning, it would be rather undemocratic to leave the decision to them.

[synch]

I heard on the radio this morning that Balkenende stated that holland was going to vote for the constitution regardless of the outcome of the referendum. He also stated that he'd be dissapointed with a "no" from the referendum especially because people are stating the elimination of the dutch contestant from the eurovision song contest as a reason to vote against the european constitution.

This referendum is a joke, I think I'll vote blank, I'm too ambiguous about the matter and it won't make a difference either way because the politicians have already made up their mind.

As Taco said, this is too important and too complicated a matter to leave to the general public to decide but why even have this meaningless referendum then?

[peterclamp]

Don't mean to diss but us British want to stay independant (well most do).

I like many european countries and like us they have their own identities which I fear will be eroded away by the constitution.

So I vote NOOOOOOOOO!!!! :eek:

Pete

[Uru-Nitro]

If that would help to bring beastie's back on tour on 2005 i vote yes :D



... now talking seriously, spain voted "yes" like 6 months ago.. so my opinion now is irrelevant

[Taco Zip]

I see where you're coming from, but as the Constitution hadn't even been written when Chirac or Balkenende were campaigning, it would be rather undemocratic to leave the decision to them.

I don't agree.
Basically what you're saying is that a democratically chosen government can only solve issues from the period before they were chosen.





I like many european countries and like us they have their own identities which I fear will be eroded away by the constitution.


That is the reason why a lot of people vote no. But in fact you won't lose much identity by voting yes. A lot of local issues (like the Dutch drugs policy) will still be solved locally. Mostly border-crossing issues like terrorism etc will be arranged from Brussels.

One of the most important reasons for me to vote yes is the fact that Holland is an exporting and carry-through country, and thighter coöperation with other contries will improve our position inside Europe.
Also voting yes will improve Europe's position in the world against countries like US and China.

[Funkaloyd]

Basically what you're saying is that a democratically chosen government can only solve issues from the period before they were chosen.
I think that this case is an exception. Not only is it an unusually important decision to make, but it's something that's quite independent of a representative's ideology. It seems that a leftist is just as likely as a centrist or right-winger to vote a certain way, which imo means it's also rather independent of previous elections.

[EN[i]GMA]

Europe treasures it's 'democracy' enough to put the only thing holding it together economically, in danger?

Hilarious.

If I were voting though, I would strike it down. Brussels doesn't need any more power.

[Taco Zip]

I think that this case is an exception. Not only is it an unusually important decision to make, but it's something that's quite independent of a representative's ideology. It seems that a leftist is just as likely as a centrist or right-winger to vote a certain way, which imo means it's also rather independent of previous elections.

I still don't agree. Especially now the decision is this important the civilians should not decide.
Politicians need files with the weight of a phonebook to decide about this, and 'normal' people only get a few prejudiced leaflets and a lot of incompetent comments out of the media.

[thegoodmrbrodie!]

i dont know enough to form an opinion, and i like to think i am fairly switched on with this type of shit. i fear for our future.

[ChrisLove]

I still don't agree. Especially now the decision is this important the civilians should not decide.
Politicians need files with the weight of a phonebook to decide about this, and 'normal' people only get a few prejudiced leaflets and a lot of incompetent comments out of the media.


Im with Taco Zip on this one, some issues are too complicated to be decided by nonexperts ie the general public. I personally have no idea what the correct decision is in this whole Europe debate is and I am better informed than most. We elect politicians to make informed decsions on our behalf, they should be allowed it in this case......

The British media would easily turn any reformendum on the European Constitution into a simple question "Do you hate the French?" the answer would be yes and the constitution rejected out of hand. Which would be a shame.

[Parkey]

Not long till France's decision will be known now... If it's a Non then we're back to square one anyhow.

[Parkey]

Well the French said NO and it looks like the Dutch will too... So surely that's it fucked? The UK don't look like they're not going to get chance to even vote now; BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4591381.stm)

[EN[i]GMA]

The biggest problem with the Constitution, in my mind, is that does nothing. That it is a continuation of the same stagnant economic and social policies that are causing Europe's problems.

[Parkey]

Having studied Linguistics at University, there is never a perfect translation so surely all the counteries will have a slightly different Constitution...

[Ace42]

Yes to the EU, no to the constitution. Europe (and indeed the first world) needs a new direction. I think the overwhelming 'no' sentiments in Europe are due to a disatisfaction with contemporary politics, rather than the idea of a united Europe.

[catatonic]

I voted yes but I'm from America. I just oversimplistically think that if Einstein had the vision of a world government, this is one step closer to it.

[Burnout18]

im just not going to vote

[guerillaGardner]

I would probably have to vote NO

I'd rather see a way more devolved Europe. I think with a more federalised Europe we'd see more one-size-fits-all policies being enforced - a greater commitment to the movement of goods and services over long distances, which the planet's environment can't sustain.

I'd like to see all decision making brought down to a more localised level and I'd like to see power more evenly distributed rather than concentrated in one place.

I'd like to see all regions of the world hold onto their individuality and their character. When I visit Germany or France or Spain or Italy I want it them to be German, French, Spanish or Italian. I don't want them to be a carbon copy of the same soul-less sprawls of multinational brand outlets which are the exact same the whole world over.

Having said all that I feel proud of being a European. I love everything Europe has to offer, so ironically a more united Europe would destroy that. So for me its Non, Nein, Chan eil, No :)

[guerillaGardner]

GMA']The biggest problem with the Constitution, in my mind, is that does nothing. That it is a continuation of the same stagnant economic and social policies that are causing Europe's problems.

I agree totally. I'm always astounded at political groups yakking on about their solutions when they quite clearly haven't understood the problem.

All of them go on about jobs and the economy and wealth and money and power. When the politicians start dealing with causes rather than symptoms and they start to question our most basic assumptions then we might actually start seeing real positive change.

But with the EU and all that comes with it I don't see anything different.

[bussolai]

I cannot vote yes or no. it's not supposed a referendum here in italy.
but if I have to do, well my vote is yes for sure!! Im not nationalist, if you know me you know about my love for europe..

This referendum is a joke, I think I'll vote blank
well, i dont think that a vote is a joke, its democracy..
but at least you are goin to express your opinion, and this is good!!

[Ali]

Nee! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4602229.stm)

Another EU member state with its head screwed on right.

Why should Europe 'grow'? Growth means spending more than you earn and getting into debt you can never get out of while people get rich from your misery.

Some Europeans prefer to save their money and only buy what they can afford. If this leads to a 'sluggish economy' then I'm all for it. Nobody gets super-rich, but nobody gets their home taken away by the bank, either.

Fuck the constitution. The US and UK are getting themselves into deep shit, so why should we try to copy them? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[synch]

I ended up voting yes after the question on the ballot was different from what I expected.

You can't blame me for the euro going down ;)

[Ali]

The Euro is fine.

It needed to weaken a bit, anyway, to help exporters.

And if it keeps US, Asian and UK companies out, then that's fine with me.

[freetibet]

So it all collapsed..

Igf I get the chance I will vote YES/TAK, although I heard the constitution is a 500 pages load of bullshit, especially in Polish translation.

And Vichy people won't decide for me :mad:

I hope other countries still give their citizens the chance to ratify.

[titou lapraline]

If I had 18, I had probably voted YES (...sorry for my grammar...).
BUT, few days ago, I learnt that someone that I know who is in the french government, ( and who read all the constitution), voted NO.
So... I':confused:

[Tompz]

the eu is gonna crash eventually

i'll vote No if we get the chance