I have a moral question.

[QueenAdrock]

I wonder what the conservative right would say to this problem:

Hypothetically, say I'm pregnant. I'm not ready to have the child right now, so I have two options: adoption or abortion. I have a gay couple who would more than love to adopt my child, so I make the decision that I will either:

a) Carry the child to term, as long as the gay couple can adopt it, and ONLY them.

or

b) Have an abortion.

What would they say? And there's NO other solution, no answers like "let a straight couple adopt it" or any bullshit like that. Either A, or B. Which would they pick? Or would their heads explode from the idea of either? I wonder...

[ToucanSpam]

Okay, do we have to chose an option, without knowing your stance on both issues?

[QueenAdrock]

Well, I'm for both. But I'd rather give my gay friends the baby cuz they want one.

[ToucanSpam]

I choose a).


I see absolutely no difference between a gay couple and a straight couple. None. Both consist of two people who are 'in love' and will treat the baby as best they can.

[Classic Iconocl]

I'd choose option A, without a doubt.

[catatonic]

A but I'm not conservative or right

[Qdrop]

the question is what would a Conservative say.....

and it's obvious they would attack either option, chastize you for days on Fox news ("SOME PEOPLE are saying that you planned this...."), and segue into a talking point about how liberals are leading this country into a moral blackhole.....

then the republican controlled congress would attempt to legislate a law to force you to come to term with the baby and give it to a straight, conservative couple who will baptize it in the name of jesus christ.....

[enree erzweglle]

The question is what would that right-winger say, right? (Not what would I say.)

That would be an interesting discussion to watch...they'd probably say nothing.

I think they choose to get involved in situations that aren't muddy like that.

But if forced, I think they'd just refuse to answer. Seriously.

Right-wing/conservatives are some of the most stubborn, closed-minded people I've ever met and I generally hate to generalize. I think they just would refuse to answer.

[Happyrunr]

The question is what would that right-winger say, right? (Not what would I say.)

That would be an interesting discussion to watch...they'd probably say nothing.

I think they choose to get involved in situations that aren't muddy like that.

But if forced, I think they'd just refuse to answer. Seriously.

Right-wing/conservatives are some of the most stubborn, closed-minded people I've ever met and I generally hate to generalize. I think they just would refuse to answer.

Not me, I'm right, but I would have NO problem for the gay couple to adopt- actually, I think some kids would be better off in a gay marriage where a loving couple would want to adopt then to a man/woman relationship that is unstable or where a child isnt wanted.
To me, abortion is never an option. TO ME.

[Happyrunr]

The question is what would that right-winger say, right? (Not what would I say.)

That would be an interesting discussion to watch...they'd probably say nothing.

I think they choose to get involved in situations that aren't muddy like that.

But if forced, I think they'd just refuse to answer. Seriously.

Right-wing/conservatives are some of the most stubborn, closed-minded people I've ever met and I generally hate to generalize. I think they just would refuse to answer.

I'd have to say this- I think some lefties are the most stubborn, closed-minded people I'VE ever met. I think it goes both ways.

[enree erzweglle]

I'd have to say this- I think some lefties are the most stubborn, closed-minded people I'VE ever met. I think it goes both ways.

The people that I've met who are right seem to be very far right and uncompromising. The leftist people that I've met have tended to range the gamut. I've certainly met fanatical lefties (and they're just as scarey as the fanatical conservatives). I don't think I've ever really met a non-judgemental, middle-of-the-road conservative. Maybe you're my first. :)

(My experiences could largely be colored by the fact that I work at a university and tend to meet a lot of left-oriented people from all over the world. I might have a bias in that regard, not having really been immersed among lots of conservatives. The ones I know and HAVE met make me shudder a little.)

[Qdrop]

I'd have to say this- I think some lefties are the most stubborn, closed-minded people I'VE ever met. I think it goes both ways.


(lb)

[Happyrunr]

The people that I've met who are right seem to be very far right and uncompromising. The leftist people that I've met have tended to range the gamut. I've certainly met fanatical lefties (and they're just as scarey as the fanatical conservatives). I don't think I've ever really met a non-judgemental, middle-of-the-road conservative. Maybe you're my first. :)

(My experiences could largely be colored by the fact that I work at a university and tend to meet a lot of left-oriented people from all over the world. I might have a bias in that regard, not having really been immersed among lots of conservatives. The ones I know and HAVE met make me shudder a little.)
Wow, I'm surprised you havent met a middle of the road conservative. There are plenty out there; I know a few. I try not to judge- but I really really believe in the sanctity of life, too.

[Ace42]

I'd have to say this- I think some lefties are the most stubborn, closed-minded people I'VE ever met. I think it goes both ways.

Yeah, if you accept that there isn't a "right" or "wrong" and everything is merely a matter of interpretation.

How postmodern of you...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1491420,00.html

[enree erzweglle]

Wow, I'm surprised you havent met a middle of the road conservative. There are plenty out there; I know a few. I try not to judge- but I really really believe in the sanctity of life, too.
I probably have and I haven't known it.

I probably jumped to generalize.

This is a sensitive topic because the right-wingers that I do know bait me or try to and that turns me off to their whole cause.

[Happyrunr]

I probably have and I haven't known it.

I probably jumped to generalize.

This is a sensitive topic because the right-wingers that I do know bait me or try to and that turns me off to their whole cause.
How do they "bait you"?
Just curious.

[Ace42]

How do they "bait you"?
Just curious.

They smear barbeque sauce on his salad rolls.

[enree erzweglle]

They smear barbeque sauce on his salad rolls.
The ones that I know tend to raise inflammatory topics mostly when I'm outnumbered or when it's inappropriate to get into a long or heated debate. Or they'll make little jabs about particular issues or attitudes, hoping to sort of bait me in. I just ignore it for the most part.

[Qdrop]

They smear barbeque sauce on his salad rolls.

get's em' everytime.

[enree erzweglle]

They smear barbeque sauce on his salad rolls.
They spread the bbq sauce on her rolls.

I'm a she and I can prove it. :D

I should make it part of my little signature thingie.

[Ace42]

I'm a she and I can prove it.

Link to your post in the "Boobies" thread then.

[Happyrunr]

The ones that I know tend to raise inflammatory topics mostly when I'm outnumbered or when it's inappropriate to get into a long or heated debate. Or they'll make little jabs about particular issues or attitudes, hoping to sort of bait me in. I just ignore it for the most part.

I never give my opinions unless I am asked. I hate "in your face" people.

[ASsman]

I wonder what the conservative right would say to this problem:

Hypothetically, say I'm pregnant. I'm not ready to have the child right now, so I have two options: adoption or abortion. I have a gay couple who would more than love to adopt my child, so I make the decision that I will either:

a) Carry the child to term, as long as the gay couple can adopt it, and ONLY them.

or

b) Have an abortion.

What would they say? And there's NO other solution, no answers like "let a straight couple adopt it" or any bullshit like that. Either A, or B. Which would they pick? Or would their heads explode from the idea of either? I wonder...

Conservative: *takes gun to his head* *BANG*


Next time wear a fucking rubber, and get the morning after pill...punk ass teens.

[enree erzweglle]

Link to your post in the "Boobies" thread then.
I'll never post the girls.

[enree erzweglle]

I never give my opinions unless I am asked. I hate "in your face" people.
I tend to be the same way. Rather, I've learned to be that way. I used to be much more outspoken without being asked to speak out.

Hope you're feeling okay Happyrunr. I thought about you yesterday and sent good thoughts your way (though I'm not sure which direction you're in :) ).

[ASsman]

I'll never post the girls.
God Damn.

[Happyrunr]

Conservative: *takes gun to his head* *BANG*


Next time wear a fucking rubber, and get the morning after pill...punk ass teens.

"Oh yeah ASsman, real mature"

Some believe the morning after pill is equivilant to abortion, so you may as well have the abortion.........mmm....

[Qdrop]

and get the morning after pill...punk ass teens.

what if the conservative pharmacist in your town won't stock it (michigan)?

[enree erzweglle]

God Damn.
This made me laugh out loud. I've been tempted to post a few times but I decided against it. Stuff you say and write here has too long a shelf life, you know?

[Happyrunr]

I tend to be the same way. Rather, I've learned to be that way. I used to be much more outspoken without being asked to speak out.

Hope you're feeling okay Happyrunr. I thought about you yesterday and sent good thoughts your way (though I'm not sure which direction you're in :) ).

Wow, thanks for thinking of me. I went to the dr- she gave me some anti-nausua stuff. She told me not to go to work this week- I guess I looked that bad. :eek:

[Happyrunr]

what if the conservative pharmacist in your town won't stock it (michigan)?

Yeah, I dont get that. Isnt that their JOB? That happened here recently (Minnesota).

[ASsman]

This made me laugh out loud. I've been tempted to post a few times but I decided against it. Stuff you say and write here has too long a shelf life, you know?
Hah, sure. You mean spank-worthy... ?


Some believe the morning after pill is equivilant to abortion, so you may as well have the abortion.........mmm....
Somehow I don't see how stopping the egg from being released , thus not fertilized, is equal to putting your fetus in a blender.. Maybe in the eyes of God... but he's stupid.

[enree erzweglle]

Hah, sure. You mean spank-worthy... ?
Yeah, that too. :D

[alexandra]

there's no need for abortion if there's a couple that really wants to AND WILL raise the baby.

[bb_bboy]

Why would you consult the conservative right concerning a question of morals?

[Funkaloyd]

I guess we have no choice but to abort those soon-to-be heathens.

[QueenAdrock]

Homosexual Parenting Studies Are Flawed, Report Says

So you're saying you'd rather me have the abortion?

Remember, it's ONLY one or the other. Either abortion, or a gay couple adopting it. You CAN'T choose something else, because those are the only options I'd accept.

[Rosie Cotton]

• Lesbian mothers reported that their children behave in ways that do not conform to "sex-typed cultural norms." And the sons of lesbians are reportedly less likely to behave in traditionally masculine ways than those raised by heterosexual couples.
You know, this isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[louise]

well in live there are alway's more options than 2......

abortion for me is out of the quastion....
i would rather have 1 more than give it away !!! alway's no metter what !

give it up for adoption ?? no especialy not for a couple i know straight or not that's not the problem...i think it's not a option cause it's to close nearby....it's better for you i think if it's not around you ...

(i think) after 9 months is not so easy to give it away close by or far away

but for me these are not the options to make even if i got pregnant while i didn't plan this.......both are no for myself....

[Qdrop]

In reexamining the data from earlier studies, Stacey and Biblarz in fact found significant differences between gay-parented and hetero-parented children. Among them:

• A significantly greater proportion of young adult children raised by lesbian mothers than those raised by heterosexual mothers say they have experienced sexual intimacy with a partner of the same sex. They were not, however, statistically more likely to identify themselves as gay or lesbian.

• Young girls raised by lesbians are more likely to be sexually adventurous and active than their counterparts raised by heterosexual parents. However the sons of lesbians exhibit "an opposite pattern" and are likely to be less adventurous and active than boys raised by heterosexual households.

• Lesbian mothers reported that their children behave in ways that do not conform to "sex-typed cultural norms." And the sons of lesbians are reportedly less likely to behave in traditionally masculine ways than those raised by heterosexual couples.

Stacey and Biblarz claim that "it is difficult to conceive of a credible theory of sexual development that would not expect the adult children of lesbigay parents to display somewhat higher incidence of homoerotic desire, behavior, and identity than children of heterosexual parents."



yeah, so?

i don't see anything bad here.....


plus, this is such old news..

[QueenAdrock]

well in live there are alway's more options than 2.....


That's not the point. The point is that these would be the only two options I'd accept. I'm good friends with a homosexual couple who want to adopt, but aren't allowed to. I was thinking how much I'd love to have a child for them to raise, since I believe they'd be wonderful, loving parents. But the Christians in this society don't want gays to adopt. But I believe, even more than that, they don't want women to have abortions. So I was wondering what their answer would be if these were the only two options.

And yes, in life there are always more than two options. But not in this case, because these are the only two options I'D ACCEPT. Nothing else, and nothing can change my mind. Abortion, or gay adoption.

And I do believe that you can pick the parents in adoptions. I know I've heard of at least one instance of a couple not being able to conceive, so a woman having a baby for them to have. But if that's not the case, that's okay too. Because then I'd just get the abortion. But what a stink it'd make in the media. ;)

[Homsar]

The fallacy of Either/Or immediately came to mind. Your question is quite weak. Even hypothetically, there are more than just two options. However, if you will only accept those two...that's really messed up.

A rather unintelligent argument.

[Funkaloyd]

If QueenA says you've only got two choices, you've got one and she's feeling generous.

[Rosie Cotton]

The fallacy of Either/Or immediately came to mind. Your question is quite weak. Even hypothetically, there are more than just two options. However, if you will only accept those two...that's really messed up.

A rather unintelligent argument.
Alright, how about if it's worded this way: which do you find more reprehensible, gay adoptions or abortion?

Oh, and in many cases the mother can pick the family that adopts her child.

[Rosie Cotton]

if I knew I was going to give birth to a gay baby, I'd abort it....or give birth and freeze it for a late night snack or something.
Hmmm, i think that would be an even more interesting question for the right wing. Would you have an abortion if you knew the baby was gay? Interesting.

[louise]

if I knew I was going to give birth to a gay baby, I'd abort it....or give birth and freeze it for a late night snack or something.


well let's hope that life don't catch you....or do you believe it pops out saying i am gay.....if it's gay it's wasend his dreamwish to became true so deal with it....real bad to say stuff like that...late night snack (n)

[louise]

ohh i forgot here it's okee for gaycouple to adopt and marrie and to abort aswell ( wel the woman) so.....

it is possible you just have to live in the right country ;)

[Funkaloyd]

Wait, gay men don't have the right to have abortions? It's their body, they should be able to do as they choose. And the same rules that apply to straight men should apply to them.

[ASsman]

Fuck kids... Who needs em when you can get one of these at your local electronics store...
http://www.kidscom.com/chat/geekgadgets/images/poochi.gif

[louise]

^^^ well they break fast.......

:D and they can't wipe my ass when i am old !! ;)

[D_Raay]

Why would you consult the conservative right concerning a question of morals?
Exactly... end of thread...