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Qdrop
06-10-2005, 11:47 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8169240/

Teacher told to revise creationism lesson plan

For 15 years, Va. teacher had offered bonus work on creationism

ROANOKE, Va. - For 15 years, in defiance of a Supreme Court ruling, Larry Booher taught creationism in his high school biology class. He even compiled a textbook of sorts and passed out copies in three-ring binders.

The school superintendent didn’t know what was going on. Neither did the school board president. Then, they got an anonymous tip.

Booher has agreed to revise his lesson plan, though he maintained that he handed out the book, titled “Creation Battles Evolution,” to his Biology 2 students only as a voluntary, extra-credit option.

“He told the students, 'You may read this. You don’t have to. It has some Bible references in it',” said Alan Lee, superintendent of Washington County schools. “This teacher felt like he wasn’t doing anything wrong.”

The Supreme Court ruled in 1987 that creationism, the belief that God created the universe as explained in the Bible, is a religious belief — not science — and may not be taught in public schools along with evolution.

*Battle brewing

“Creationism is not biology and has no place in a biology class,” said Kent Willis, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia. “What makes it wrong is not the theory of creationism, but the teaching of creationism as part of a science class.”

Lee said Booher’s compilation drew on sources ranging from the Internet to scholarly papers and quotations from scientists and scholars critical of evolution or evidence supporting it.

Lee said the material was never presented to the school board or to his office for approval. He declined to say what punishment — if any — Booher would face, calling it a personnel matter.

Elizabeth Lowe, chairwoman of the school board, said she had heard “not a word” about Booher’s book in her 11 years in office.

Lee described Booher, 48, as “one of the finest science teachers I’ve ever been around” and said Booher would return to the classroom in the fall since he agreed to stop distributing the creationism materials.

“He must teach evolution exclusively — observable scientific fact, not beliefs or religion,” Lee said. “I fully believe he will comply. He just stepped over the line.”

Calls to Booher’s home were met with hang-ups Thursday. He told The Roanoke Times he regretted handing out the material.

“I can’t change my classroom into a Sunday school class,” he told the newspaper. “It’s not like I tried to make it a secret. If administrators knew, fine. If they didn’t, I didn’t make an issue of it.”

No complaints thus far

Booher’s source book, which he distributed at his own expense to classes ranging from 25 to 40 students, included nine chapters with titles such as “In the beginning” and “Evidence for a young Earth.”

As news of Booher’s source book surfaced this week, Lee said he has had no complaints from parents.

“I’m not surprised,” he said. “People in this area tend to be very religious. They likely didn’t see it as anything that wasn’t appropriate.”

Homsar
06-10-2005, 12:54 PM
*Yawn*

There was nothing wrong with this. It's not like he was forcing his beliefs on anyone.

"Well, why not have other creation stories from other religions instead of just the Judaeo-Christian story?"

Well, you can, but seeing that the U.S. is predominately a Christian nation, it's not surprising the Judaeo-Christian creation story is the main and only one used.

Ace42
06-10-2005, 02:40 PM
I don't see anything wrong, it was given as an option not as a requirement. Granted it isn't scientific...or is it?

Not that I am sure what benefit "extra credit" gives, but if it improves your grades, then clearly it is wrong that it be given for teaching non-scientific theories in a science class. What about the students who'd rather do some work based on the creation-myths developed by playground kids, would that be extra-credit worthy?

At what point is it unfair on the other students to give extra-credit out on unrelated material? Is he going to give credit out to students who read about fashion instead?

Homsar
06-10-2005, 03:08 PM
I don't see it wrong at all, especially if you teach the theory of evolution. It's nice to know the history of evolution and the current issues about it, such as Creationism vs. Evolution. Students can learn a lot about this and the two different sides while not violating the "no religion in public schools" deal.

Public schools are pretty bland anyway...Private schools are where it's at.

ASsman
06-10-2005, 04:14 PM
I don't see it wrong at all, especially if you teach the theory of evolution. It's nice to know the history of evolution and the current issues about it, such as Creationism vs. Evolution. Students can learn a lot about this and the two different sides while not violating the "no religion in public schools" deal.

Public schools are pretty bland anyway...Private schools are where it's at.
Oh wait we aren't talking about COLLEGE STUDENTS HERE. I'm not even gonna bother taking this any further.

Medellia
06-10-2005, 05:21 PM
I don't see it wrong at all, especially if you teach the theory of evolution. It's nice to know the history of evolution and the current issues about it, such as Creationism vs. Evolution. Students can learn a lot about this and the two different sides while not violating the "no religion in public schools" deal.

Public schools are pretty bland anyway...Private schools are where it's at.
Except IT'S NOT SCIENCE.

Medellia
06-10-2005, 08:13 PM
I don't like SPAM!

Medellia
06-10-2005, 09:54 PM
http://www.roanoke.com//news/roanoke/25094.html

Booher said he told students, "Here's the evidence. Make up your own minds what you want to believe."

Ace42
06-10-2005, 10:50 PM
he's giving them the option. Is he even really teaching creationism or is he just giving them the handbook?

An option to get an advantage over people who don't want to learn a lot of irrelevant hooey. If everyone in the class feels obliged to do this and receives extra credit, when the grades are subsequently moderated and ranked, the students that did not *learn the teacher's belief systems* will receive a lower grade.

That amounts to obliging students to learn religious material in a science class, and is totally unreasonable. Keep the religion to religious education classes, and well away from a credible subject.

racer5.0stang
06-11-2005, 08:39 AM
Instead of teaching either one, just tell students we don't know. Just tell them that we appeared out of thin air.

Ace42
06-11-2005, 09:07 AM
Instead of teaching either one, just tell students we don't know.

Yeah, abolish schools because you do not understand the principles of epistemology...

Dumbass.

racer5.0stang
06-11-2005, 09:42 AM
Yeah, abolish schools because you do not understand the principles of epistemology...

Dumbass.

Or abolish creationism simply because YOU do not believe it.

The magnitude of your ignorance is astounding.

catatonic
06-11-2005, 11:06 AM

EN[i]GMA
06-11-2005, 11:29 AM
Or abolish creationism simply because YOU do not believe it.

The magnitude of your ignorance is astounding.

I think we should teach the children Last Thursdayism, that the Universe was created last Thursday.

I think we should teach them that I created the Universe.

I think we should teach them Aztec creationism, and how the earth rests on the back of a giant turtle, or Greek creationism, about the Titans and how the earth rests on Atlas' shoulders.

And Norse mythology and creationism.

And Hindi creationism.

And Muslim creationism.

And Zorastrian creationism.

And wiccan creationism.

And Native American creationism.

And African tribal religion creationism.

Should we abolish these simply because you don't believe in them?

The magnitude of your ignorance is astounding.


Christian creationism has the scientific backing of Last Thursdayism. If you teach it, you better break out the human sacraficies, cuz we're going back to Olmec religion!

EN[i]GMA
06-11-2005, 11:34 AM
I think we should teach the children the earth is spherical.

And that the earth is flat.

And that the earth is ovoid.

And that the earth is cubical.

And that the earth is conical.

Right?

ms.peachy
06-11-2005, 03:32 PM
Even if the subject matter is left to one side, it is inappropriate because it is extracurricular content that was not reviewed or sanctioned by the governing body of the school system. He acted unprofessionally, at best.

Ace42
06-11-2005, 05:48 PM
Or abolish creationism simply because YOU do not believe it.

Because there is no empirical evidence to back it up. My beliefs are irrelevant in deference to the facts. There is no scientific basis for creationism, and thus it has no place in a science class. It is really very simple. Kinda like you.

The magnitude of your ignorance is astounding.

This coming from the guy that thought monkeys didn't have opposable thumbs. Yah, I think I'll take your criticism under advisement.

<receives advice>

Yep, I spoke to some people and it is unanimous. You're a dribbling moron who shouldn't be allowed the privilidge of an opinion.

catatonic
06-11-2005, 06:00 PM

Homsar
06-11-2005, 06:34 PM
Thief!

EN[i]GMA
06-12-2005, 07:31 AM
I'm confused Racer, does the earth sit on the back of a turtle or an alligator?

I mean, my Olmec and Aztec religion is a little rusty because I paid jack shit attention in Spanish class, but since you're an expert on creationism, I think you would know.

racer5.0stang
06-13-2005, 08:24 AM
I'm confused Racer, does the earth sit on the back of a turtle or an alligator?

I'll take turtle for $500.

My beliefs are irrelevant in deference to the facts.

That is a good cop-out.

Yep, I spoke to some people and it is unanimous. You're a dribbling moron who shouldn't be allowed the privilidge of an opinion.

Curses, I demand a recount.

I think we should teach them that I created the Universe.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are people out there that would believe that.

Ace42
06-13-2005, 10:59 AM
That is a good cop-out.

It is not a cop-out, imbercile.

The only way it could possibly be a cop-out is if my personal beliefs altered the fabric of the universe and history.

In effect, for it to be a cop-out, you'd have to think that I was God, and that mere whims of preference "made it so."

I could fervently believe that the world does ride on the back of a turtle, but that would not change the fact that it does not. Just as your (ill-informed and worthless) beliefs do not automatically refute the mounds of scientific evidence to the contrary.

EN[i]GMA
06-13-2005, 11:18 AM
I think the Universe was created last Thursday.

ASsman
06-19-2005, 09:34 PM
OMG my eyes are tearing up from laughter....