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Ali
06-23-2005, 09:26 AM
UN human rights experts seeking to visit the US base at Guantanamo Bay said today they have reliable accounts that suspected terror detainees being held there have been tortured.

The four independent experts said the US had not responded to their numerous requests to check on the conditions of terror suspects at the US Naval base in Cuba, as well as US facilities in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places of detention.


They said their request for a visit was “based on information, from reliable sources, of serious allegations of torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees, arbitrary detention, violations of their right to health and their due process rights.”

“Many of these allegations have come to light through declassified (US) government documents,” they said.

A US spokeswoman said the request was still being reviewed in Washington.

“We are all worried about this situation,” Leandro Despouy of Argentina, specialist on the independence of judges and lawyers, told reporters.

The expert on torture, Manfred Nowak of Austria, said: “We are not making a judgment if torture or treatment under degrading conditions has taken place.”

However, he said, the failure of the US to respond is leading the experts to conclude that Washington has something to hide.

“At a certain point you have to take well-founded allegations as proven in the absence of a clear explanation by the government.”

Nowak said the experts have received a number of allegations about abuse of US detainees.

The experts, who report to UN bodies on different human rights issues, said they had yet to hear back from Washington on their latest request – made a year ago and renewed in mid-April – to visit the detention facility.

The UN human rights investigators have been trying to visit Guantanamo since early 2002.

Nowak said in a meeting in April US officials refused to guarantee him the right to speak to detainees in private – an “absolute pre-condition” for such a visit.

Nowak said his team would need full access to the facilities and the prison population.

“We deeply regret that the government of the United States has still not invited us to visit those persons arrested, detained or tried on grounds of alleged terrorism or other violations,” said the statement from the experts.

“The time is up. We have to act now,” said Leila Zerrougui of Algeria, specialist on arbitrary detention. “If not, we won’t have any credibility left.”

Paul Hunt of New Zealand, who monitors physical and mental health, said he wanted to investigate in person “persistent and credible reports” of alleged violations.

“Reportedly medical staff have assisted in the design of interrogation strategies, including sleep deprivation and other coercive interrogation methods,” said Hunt.

The experts said they decided to express their misgivings because “the lack of a definitive answer despite repeated requests suggests that the US is not willing to co-operate with the United Nations human rights machinery on this issue.”

Brooks Robinson, spokeswoman for the US mission to UN offices in Geneva, said the response had been delayed because of the US’ review process which is “thorough and independent,” and involves the Bush administration, Congress and the US judicial system.

“It is true there is no answer yet to their request, but the main point is that their request is being addressed and discussed and reviewed in the US,” Robinson said.

“That process is underway in response to this request,” she added, noting that US officials have consistently denied violating the principle of humane treatment of detainees in the war on terror.

The experts said no country is above international human rights law.

“The writ of international human rights does not stop at the gates of Guantanamo Bay,” said Hunt.

US officials so far have allowed only the International Committee of the Red Cross to visit detainees at Guantanamo, which began being used as a detention centre for terror suspects with the arrival of the first alleged Taliban and al Qaida members brought from Afghanistan in early 2002.

The ICRC keeps its findings confidential, reporting them solely to the detaining power, although some of the reports have been leaked by what the ICRC says were third parties. The UN experts would be expected to make a public report.

The four experts have all been appointed to their three-year terms by the 53-nation UN Human Rights Commission, the global body’s top rights watchdog. They act independently and are unpaid by the United Nations for their work although their expenses are paid.

Source (http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4732001)

Ali
06-24-2005, 01:45 AM
Half the people in Gitmo probably aren't even guilty of terrorism, they're just getting tortured for being in Gitmo :mad: Guilty until proven guilty (by confessing to drimes they didn't commit, to make the torture stop.) :mad:

STANKY808
06-24-2005, 10:25 AM
Out of deference to those whom have him on ignore, I won't quote him. However, in response to a comment about no torture by the US of detainees in Gitmo and elsewhere...

US acknowledges torture at Guantanamo; in Iraq, Afghanistan - UN
06.24.2005, 11:37 AM

"GENEVA (AFX) - Washington has, for the first time, acknowledged to the United Nations that prisoners have been tortured at US detention centres in Guantanamo Bay, as well as Afghanistan and Iraq, a UN source said.

The acknowledgement was made in a report submitted to the UN Committee against Torture, said a member of the ten-person panel, speaking on on condition of anonymity.

'They are no longer trying to duck this and have respected their obligation to inform the UN,' the Committee member said.

'They they will have to explain themselves (to the Committee). Nothing should be kept in the dark,' he said.

UN sources said this is the first time the world body has received such a frank statement on torture from US authorities.

The Committee, which monitors respect for the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, is gathering information from the US ahead of hearings in May 2006.

Signatories of the convention are expected to submit to scrutiny of their implementation of the 1984 convention and to provide information to the Committee.

The document from Washington will not be formally made public until the hearings."


As for none have died...

"...A leaked 2,000-page report into the deaths of two detainees details systematic and routine mistreatment at the Bagram military base, 40 miles (64km) north of Kabul.

Each man had spent most of his five days’ captivity shackled to the ceiling or wall of his cell, a technique that has since been labelled by the US military as a criminal assault. They were also subjected to relentless beatings, particularly to their legs, which coroners blamed for their deaths."

Source: Times Online

As for comparisons to NAZI death camps - just give 'em time.

Ace42
06-24-2005, 12:14 PM
Prove that there are innocent people in Guantanamo.

Under US law all men are innocent until proven guilty. There have been no trials, therefore they cannot be guilty. This makes them innocent under US (and international) law.

D_Raay
06-24-2005, 12:29 PM
Under US law all men are innocent until proven guilty. There have been no trials, therefore they cannot be guilty. This makes them innocent under US (and international) law.
You're forgetting our wonderful "Patriot Act" Ace.

D_Raay
06-24-2005, 12:37 PM
Look bub, it's not torture. No one has died there. Comparing it to the Natzi camps is just wrong! Millions have died at the Natzi camps. Zero have died at the US camps.

One thing is for sure, we have no reason not to believe that every detaniee is a terrorists. Most of them have killed innocent people. The jews in the Natzi camps did nothing wrong.

You are an idiot inch whipper !! You don't have a leg to stand on.

You prove to me that some detaniees are not terrorists.

Inch Whipper
GENEVA - Washington has for the first time acknowledged to the United Nations that prisoners have been tortured at US detention centres in Guantanamo Bay, as well as Afghanistan and Iraq, a UN source said on Friday.

The acknowledgement was made in a report submitted to the UN Committee against Torture, said a member of the ten-person panel, speaking on condition of anonymity.

“They are no longer trying to duck this, and have respected their obligation to inform the UN,” the Committee member told AFP.

“They they will have to explain themselves (to the Committee). Nothing should be kept in the dark.”

UN sources said it was the first time the world body has received such a frank statement on torture from US authorities.

The Committee, which monitors respect for the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, is gathering information from the US ahead of hearings in May 2006.

Signatories of the convention are expected to submit to scrutiny of their implementation of the 1984 convention and to provide information to the Committee.

The document from Washington will not be formally made public until the hearings.

“They haven’t avoided anything in their answers, whether concerning prisoners in Iraq, in Afghanistan or Guantanamo, and other accusations of mistreatment and of torture,” the Committee member said.

“They said it was a question of isolated cases, that there was nothing systematic and that the guilty were in the process of being punished.”

The US report said that those involved were low-ranking members of the military and that their acts were not approved by their superiors, the member added.

The US has faced criticism from UN human rights experts and international groups for mistreatment of detainees -- some of whom died in custody -- in Afghanistan and Iraq, particularly during last year’s prisoner abuse scandal surrounding the Abu Ghraib facility there.

Scores of US military personnel have been investigated, and several tried and convicted, for abuse of people detained during the US-led campaign against terrorist groups.
AFP
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Your first two statements are now PROVEN wrong by the very administration you choose to defend. Eat some crow.

Ace42
06-24-2005, 12:40 PM
You're forgetting our wonderful "Patriot Act" Ace.

Which does not apply in Afghanistan... But point taken.

D_Raay
06-24-2005, 12:43 PM
Which does not apply in Afghanistan... But point taken.
Yeah I knocked that around in my head a few times too. Doesn't seem the ridiculous Patriot Act should apply on foreign soil should it?