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Ali
06-24-2005, 01:39 AM
Battle on the Hill is raised over Iraq
As lawmakers demand answers, Rumsfeld forced to defend himself as well as the war
By BENNETT ROTH
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/politics/3238990) Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON - Expressing alarm that Iraq may be turning into a Vietnam-like morass, lawmakers from both parties grilled Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Thursday about a strategy that even a top general conceded has not reduced insurgent attacks in recent months.

Verbal fireworks exploded during Rumsfeld's trip to Capitol Hill, as senators on the Armed Services Committee raised questions about an exit strategy, funding, Iraqi troop training, repeated call-ups of military reserves and flagging American support for the mission.

In one tense exchange, Sen. Edward Kennedy ticked off a list of what he said were "gross errors and mistakes" that Rumsfeld had made in Iraq, including exaggerating the success in training Iraqi forces.

"In baseball, it's three strikes, you're out. What is it for the secretary of defense?" Kennedy said as he queried Rumsfeld during a Senate Arms Services Committee hearing. "Isn't it time for you to resign?"

Rumsfeld responded: "Senator, I've offered my resignation to the president twice and ... he did not accept it. And that's his call."

The secretary took issue with Kennedy's claim that Iraq had become "a seemingly intractable quagmire." He said U.S. troops have been making progress in training and equipping Iraqi forces to eventually take over the protection of the country.

But neither Rumsfeld nor the military commanders who accompanied him would say how much longer they believed the troops would remain in Iraq.

Gen. John Abizaid, the top commander in the Persian Gulf, admitted the strength of the insurgency had not weakened since the Iraqi elections in January.

Abizaid was asked by Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., whether his assessment contradicted Vice President Dick Cheney's recent remarks that the insurgency was in "its last throes."

"I don't know that I would make a remark about that other than to say there's a lot of work to do be done against the insurgency," Abizaid said. "I believe there are more foreign fighters coming into Iraq than there were six months ago."

"We see good progress," he said. "But we are realistic. And we know that great change is often accompanied with violence. We are not trying to paint a rosy picture."


'Challenges remain'
Rumsfeld's session with the Senate panel and later with the House Armed Services Committee came as Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari of Iraq arrived in Washington. Al-Jaafari, who met with Cheney and Stephen Hadley, President Bush's national security adviser, is expected to talk with Bush today.

Next Tuesday is the one-year anniversary of the transfer of sovereignty in Iraq, and the White House hopes that a more pointed message from Bush about the need to support the emerging democracy will revive public support for the campaign.

Previewing a speech Bush is expected to deliver Tuesday, White House spokesman Scott McClellan tempered an optimistic assessment of Iraq's progress with warnings that "challenges remain."

The White House faces an uphill task in reversing public opinion and calming nervous lawmakers. A recent Gallup Poll found that nearly 60 percent of the public favors a partial or full withdrawal, and a New York Times/CBS Poll found that 51 percent said they believe the United States should have stayed out of Iraq.

Rumsfeld heard concerns from lawmakers who said they support the Iraqi mission but were facing increasing skepticism from their constituents.

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said that "public support in my state is turning" and he was hearing comparisons to Vietnam.

"I'm here to tell you, sir, in the most patriotic state I can imagine, people are beginning to question," said Graham, who has supported the war. "And I don't think it's a blip on the radar screen."

Rumsfeld responded, "Well, that's the time that leadership has to stand up and tell the truth. And if you're facing a head wind, you got two choices, you can turn around and go downwind or you can stand there and go into the wind, and that's what needs to be done."


People 'need to know'
Some senators suggested that the Pentagon was not always leveling with the public. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., criticized the military officials for refusing to make public how many Iraqi units they believed were adequately trained.

"I think the American people need to know. They are the ones paying for this conflict," said McCain.

Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., chided Rumsfeld for not giving direct answers to members of Congress about issues such as war costs.

"The people out there want us to ask questions. So get off your high horse when you come up here," Byrd said.

Rumsfeld said he had given an honest estimate of the war's cost when he presented both the annual budget and supplemental budget requests.

The defense secretary had his defenders, including committee chairman Sen. John Warner, R-Va., who told Rumsfeld, "I have full confidence in your ability to lead the Department of Defense."

Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., blamed the media for painting an overly pessimistic picture.

But Levin said the United States must do more to pressure the Iraqis to form a government that includes representatives from various factions. He proposed that if the Iraqis do not abide by a deadline to approve a constitution by Aug. 15, with the possibility of a six-month extension, the United States should review its options, including the possibility of a troop withdrawal. Rumsfeld rejected any exit strategy with a timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops.

"Timing in war is never predictable," he said. "Those who say we are losing this war are wrong. We are not."

:eek: Rumsfeld responded: "Senator, I've offered my resignation to the president twice and ... he did not accept it. :eek:

Something about rats and sinking ships...

Medellia
06-24-2005, 01:47 AM
Ugh. Inhofe embarasses me.

Ali
06-24-2005, 02:56 AM
Inhofe? :confused:

synch
06-24-2005, 03:16 AM
:eek: Rumsfeld responded: "Senator, I've offered my resignation to the president twice and ... he did not accept it. :eek:

Something about rats and sinking ships...
I was going to quote that exact same bit.

That means good 'ole Rummy thinks Bush should be held responsible for his (Rummy's) failure, right?

Medellia
06-24-2005, 03:18 AM
Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., blamed the media for painting an overly pessimistic picture.
I gotta admit, I just skimmed the article. When I saw his name I just had to comment on it.

Ali
06-24-2005, 07:48 AM
Oh, man. This interview is too rich in scornable material for me to digest! You lot can have a go, too!

Cheney: Iraq will be 'enormous success story'

WASHINGTON (CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/23/cheney.interview/#)) -- Vice President Dick Cheney on Thursday defended his recent comment that the Iraqi insurgency was in its "last throes," insisting that progress being made in setting up a new Iraqi government and establishing democracy there will indeed end the violence -- eventually.

However, in an exclusive interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Cheney said he thinks there still will be"a lot of bloodshed" in the coming months, as the insurgents try to stop the move toward democracy in Iraq.

"If you look at what the dictionary says about throes, it can still be a violent period, the throes of a revolution," he said. "The point would be that the conflict will be intense, but it's intense because the terrorists understand that if we're successful at accomplishing our objective -- standing up a democracy in Iraq -- that that's a huge defeat for them.And if you look up cunt in the dictionary, there's a picture of you, Dick."We will succeed in Iraq, just like we did in Afghanistan.
You what (http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1409009,000500020005.htm)?We will stand up a new government under an Iraqi-drafted constitution. We will defeat that insurgency, and, in fact, it will be an enormous success story."

A recent surge in fighting has raised fears that an Iraq-style quagmire is developing in Afghanistan just months ahead of key legislative elections.

American fighter planes bombarded a southern Afghanistan rebel hide-out with missiles and bombs Tuesday, killing up to 76 insurgents in one of the deadliest single clashes since the Taliban's ouster in 2001.

At least 12 Afghan police and soldiers also died in the fighting and five U.S. troops were wounded.

Cheney also said Bush administration officials "don't pay a lot of attention" to polls showing declining public support among Americans for the Iraq war.

"The last thing you want to do is to read the latest poll and then base policy on that," he said.

"Presidents are generally ineffective if they spend all their time reading the polls and trying to make policy accordingly.Yeah, they're way more effective when they ignore the people who voted them into power, seeing as they don't seem to need votes when the ballots get counted.

Gitmo detainees 'living in the tropics'

"We are doing what we believe is right. We're convinced it's right. We're convinced that in fact we'll achieve our objectives." You may be... others are not so sure. You know, the people you "don't pay a lot of attention" to.

The vice president also told Blitzer that "we've got a pretty good idea of the general area" where al Qaeda mastermind Osama bin Laden is hiding, but he said, "I don't have the street address.""The General Area" somewhere on Planet Earth, perhaps? Nice work, Dick.

Asked to identify the general area, Cheney demurred, saying he wouldn't talk about intelligence matters. Pressed on when bin Laden might be captured, he said, "What, do you expect me to say: Three weeks from next Tuesday?"

"I'm convinced eventually we'll get him," he said. As soon as we don't need him to scare you into voting us back into power, we'll miraculously capture him and parade him around before the press like a captured animal. But don't hold your breath.

Cheney also rejected calls for closing the detention facility for terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, saying the inmates there "are serious, deadly threats" who will "go back to trying to kill Americans" if they are released.

He also defended the treatment of prisoners by the U.S. military at Guantanamo, telling Blitzer, "There isn't any other nation in the world that would treat people who were determined to kill Americans the way we're treating these people."

"They're living in the tropics. They're well fed. They've got everything they could possibly want," the vice president said.They get their asses kicked every day and still haven't been charged... lucky bastards. So, Dick. Bad People go to live in the tropics, which is nice, is it? I hope your next holiday is somewhere nice and hot, really, really hot, with fire and brimstone and all that.

Cheney compared the current situation in Iraq to the last months of World War II, when Germans launched a desperate offensive in the Battle of the Bulge and the Japanese offered stiff resistance on Okinawa.

He said the insurgents will "do everything they can to disrupt" the process of building an Iraqi government, "but I think we're strong enough to defeat them."Oh yeah. Let's compare Iraq with WWII, that's all we need.

The vice president declined to put a timeline on when American forces might be able to leave Iraq. But asked about an assessment by Iraqi President Jalal Talabani that the United States might begin significantly reducing troop levels in 2006, Cheney said, "I hope he's correct."

"There will probably be a continued U.S. presence there for some considerable period of time, because there are some things we do they can't do -- for example, air support, some of our intelligence, communications and logistics capabilities," he said. "But I think the bulk of the effort will increasingly be taken on by Iraqi forces."

Cheney also said he thought Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, a fellow Republican, was "wrong" when he told U.S. News and World Report the White House was "disconnected from reality" about how the situation was deteriorating in Iraq.

"[Washington has] got a lot of people in it who were armchair quarterbacks or who like to comment on the passing scene," he said. "But those who have predicted the demise of our efforts since 9/11 -- as we have fought the war on terror, as we have liberated 50 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan -- did not know what they were talking about."

Cheney said he had not read the so-called "Downing Street memo," a document written by a British official in the fall of 2002 suggesting that President Bush had already decided to remove Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, and that U.S. officials were over hyping intelligence about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction to build support for the policy.

However, the vice president said the premise of the memo -- that a decision to go to war had been made months before the March 2003 invasion -- was "wrong."

"Remember what happened after the supposed memo was written. We went to the United Nations. We got a unanimous vote out of the Security Council for a resolution calling on Saddam Hussein to come clean," he said.

"The president of the United States took advantage of every possibility to try to resolve this without having to use military force. It wasn't possible in this case." :rolleyes:

Cheney said he had not read the so-called "Downing Street memo"...
However, the vice president said the premise of the memo -- that a decision to go to war had been made months before the March 2003 invasion -- was "wrong."Didn't read the "supposed" memo, but says it's wrong.

Can you believe this guy? :eek:

synch
06-24-2005, 07:59 AM
He said the premise was wrong.

See what you made me do? You made me defend Cheney. I need another shower :(