ah yo

[Lex Diamonds]

spit up on this mic on the scheme of homosexuality

Gayness in terms of religion.

Modern morality tells us that gays are just like everybody else, yet the Bible and other holy books teach that homosexuals are "infidels" and should be "hung from a tree by their urethras" (John 5:64).

Surely Christians accepting gays is disobeying God's word? Does nobody remember Sodom and Gomohrra? God HATES homosexuals!



Religion is homophobic, racist, and sexist. Discuss!

[Qdrop]

what's to discuss?

we all know this......

[Ace42]

Surely Christians accepting gays is disobeying God's word? Does nobody remember Sodom and Gomohrra? God HATES homosexuals!

Religion is homophobic, racist, and sexist. Discuss!

What is a Gomohrrarist? According to Moses, God also hates people who make statues... Paul killed christians as a hobby. Clearly these people are not functioning with a full deck.

Modern christians have ditched a lot of dogmatic irrelevant bullshit in the past, and I don't see why homophobia should be any different.

And really, we need a theology board to keep that sort of crap out of politics.

[Lex Diamonds]

what's to discuss?

we all know this......
Hey man, I just came in here for an argument with a dumbass religious person.

You can either leave the thread or join me and wait for a challenger. (y)

[Lex Diamonds]

Hey, Dragonball Z guy... Ace40 is it?

Yeah, anyway, about what you said: that's the point I'm making. Religion sets down it's so called "laws" but then changes the rules about every 100 years, thereby making itself defunct.

I want someone religious to explain to me why certain laws and rules can be approved or discarded.

[Qdrop]

we patiently wait for Racer and/or Catatonic to appear....

[Ace42]

I want someone religious to explain to me why certain laws and rules can be approved or discarded.

Humanity and human society is a changing evolving thing. It is ridiculous to think that static laws can stay relevant for all eternity.

From a secular humanist point of view, most religious "laws" were rules designed to keep social order and keep the populace healthy. As developments make these rules obsolete, they lose any practical relevance but are still left with a merely traditional relevance.

Take circumcision - useful for desert tribes to keep sand from getting under the foreskin, totally useless in the modern world and an entirely unnecessary surgery.

Or the prohibition on the eating of pork-meat. Pork traditionally carries a lot of intestinal parasites that are particularly suited to infesting humans. Modern sanitation and farming procedures have all but eliminated this contaminent in the modern world, making the law irrelevant.

In many ways, Jesus was updating the ancient Jewish tradition to make it relevant for the people of his time. Now the "permanance" of those laws has been effectively refuted by him (for Christians at least) there is nothing stopping us making our own minds up about things. It is precisely this belief that lead Luther to challenge to authority of the Catholic church and found Protestantism.

[Lex Diamonds]

I contend that laws, and more specifically, religious commandments, have helped bring people's morality to a generally worse, "devil may care" status.

On the one hand there is religious hate for certain races and homosexuals, and underlying (or blatant) chauvinism.

Without the invention of law, rules, and commandments, people would have had to find it in themselves to be nice to each other, to survive. I mean doing things to make your life on this planet better, not to "qualify" for some magical eternity in the clouds.

Hence, the need to perform good deeds would be hard-wired into the human psyche rather than beaten in by a cop with a truncheon or a boring man in a Jehovah's witness society.

[Qdrop]

Without the invention of law, rules, and commandments, people would have had to find it in themselves to be nice to each other. Hence, the need to perform good deeds would be hard-wired into the human psyche rather than beaten in by a cop with a truncheon or a boring man in a Jehovah's witness society.

they already ARE hard-wired.
evolutionary psychology....

laws, rules, ethics, religion.....these were not "invented" out of thin air....they evolved from our own cognative evolution....which itself evolved over time for survival purposes in natures ever changing enviroment.

[Lex Diamonds]

they already ARE hard-wired.
evolutionary psychology....

laws, rules, ethics, religion.....these were not "invented" out of thin air....they evolved from our own cognative evolution....which itself evolved over time for survival purposes in natures ever changing enviroment.
I am simply suggesting that fixed law is an inappropriate manifestation of the human morality genome.

[Qdrop]

I am simply suggesting that fixed law is an inappropriate manifestation of the human morality genome.

well some fixed laws work fine....
like laws prohibiting murder,ect...

i don't see our society changing to a degree in which rampant homicide will be considered A-ok..

[Ali]

rather than beaten in by a cop with a truncheon or a boring man in a Jehovah's witness society.Give me the truncheon over the JW, any day. :)

[bb_bboy]

Without the invention of law, rules, and commandments, people would have had to find it in themselves to be nice to each other, to survive. I mean doing things to make your life on this planet better, not to "qualify" for some magical eternity in the clouds.

Doesn't the existence of laws imply that either: a) not everyone realizes the importance of "being nice" as a means for survival or b) doesn't care about "being nice" or even surviving?

You can't assume that everyone in society will agree with the fundamental need for the human race to survive, or can you?

If you cannot assume this, then what precautions do you take against those who disagree with the concept of "being nice," or even surviving at all?

Create religion?

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