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Canibal-7
07-01-2005, 07:00 PM
Just an interesting review I found at Amazon books about one of the most powerful novels ever written:


The ideas in this book are ones that are as appropriate now as when Orwell first wrote them. In this time (2001), we have our "Two Minutes Hate" with Osama bin Laden.
Many of the principles that Orwell writes about (e.g., thought control) are done in a quite blatant way in the book. In the real world of the 20th/21st century they're done, only much more subtly. That way, we don't know they being perpetrated on us.

Here's how 1984 applies to current events:

WAR IS PEACE

The new "War on Terrorism" is being sold as a guarantor or our safety. While this war is being waged, we're to accept permanent war as a fact of life. As the unavoidable slaughter of innocents unfolds overseas, we are told to go back to "living our lives."

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

"Freedom itself was attacked," Bush said. He's right, though here's the twist: Americans are about to lose many of their most cherished freedoms in a frenzy of paranoid legislation. The government wants to tap our phones, read our email and seize our credit card records without court order. Further, it wants authority to detain and deport immigrants without cause or trial. To save freedom, we have to destroy it.

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

America's "new war" against terrorism will be fought with unprecedented secrecy, including press restrictions not seen for years, the Pentagon has advised.

When you read this book, you'll be better able to see the signs around you. The world portrayed by Orwell may well come to pass by the end of this century.



http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...6035288-5668122

I found this to be extraordinarily accurate. I felt it when I first read the book and I feel it now.

Ace42
07-01-2005, 07:01 PM
Between 1984 and A Brave New World you have two dystopian paralleles that all must guard against.

"1984, that's a typo man. Orwell is here today. We have NO NAMES man, NO NAMES." - Cereal, Hackers

Canibal-7
07-01-2005, 07:05 PM
Between 1984 and A Brave New World you have two dystopian paralleles that all must guard against.

"1984, that's a typo man. Orwell is here today. We have NO NAMES man, NO NAMES." - Cereal, Hackers


What are "dystopian paralleles"?

Ace42
07-01-2005, 07:11 PM
A typographical misrepesentation of dystopian parallels

Canibal-7
07-01-2005, 07:14 PM
A typographical misrepesentation of dystopian parallels

LOL... And what's that?


Dude, stop playing games with me, just tell me what you think about the comparison I made. Have you read the book?

Ace42
07-01-2005, 07:16 PM
LOL... And what's that?


Dude, stop playing games with me, just tell me what you think about the comparison I made. Have you read the book?

I have read both. A "Dystopian" concept is one which circumvents Thomas Moore's Utopia concept, producing a "perfect social order" which is unpleasant / unsatisfactory.

1984 and A Brave New World are the two archetypical examples of dystopian fiction, which portray a potential for the world's streamlining to result in a conformist society in which free-thinking and liberty are regarded as "anti-social" traits.

Canibal-7
07-01-2005, 07:20 PM
1984 and A Brave New World are the two archetypical examples of dystopian fiction, which portray a potential for the world's streamlining to result in a conformist society in which free-thinking and liberty are regarded as "anti-social" traits.


Yeah, I read both as well. But do you see any relevance to what's going on the world today?

Ace42
07-01-2005, 07:26 PM
Yeah, I read both as well. But do you see any relevance to what's going on the world today?

Only the blind cannot. Orwell was smart enough to see how socio-psychologic trends could be manipulated, and the politicians were smart enough to put it into practice. And here we are, the children of EngSoc sitting in Airstrip 1 wondering how it got so bad.

Meanwhile the Deltas (conspicuously black) fulfil their stereotypes, and the Alphas wonder why the ill-reported kappas keep voting Bush.

Send them to Golgafrinciam I say.

King PSYZ
07-01-2005, 07:30 PM
i've always felt the same since i read those books and coming into these current times. it's a creppy similarity that can't merely be shaken off.

EN[i]GMA
07-01-2005, 08:14 PM
We're on the road to serfdom.

Ace42
07-01-2005, 08:16 PM
GMA']We're on the road to serfdom.

You're at the terminus, you are just too excited to realise it yet. But young padawan, you will see in good time.

Funkaloyd
07-01-2005, 08:18 PM
I tend to think that Fahrenheit 451 is more relevant now than Brave New World. It's the perfect compliment to 1984; while the latter gives an example of a totalitarian government, 451 shows us how the people can oppress themselves. Books offend people? Burn the books. It's a trend we see (http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/media/2005_alerts/hrd_0324_yuri.htm) today, often coming from supposed liberals.

And the chase scene was an amazing prediction, judging by the success of the Cops series.


...And Hackers was a shit movie. I only sat through it for Angelina Jolie ;)

Ace42
07-01-2005, 08:19 PM
451 shows us how the people can oppress themselves. Books offend people? Burn the books.

BNW they ban shakespeare "for our own good."

EN[i]GMA
07-01-2005, 08:20 PM
You're at the terminus, you are just too excited to realise it yet. But young padawan, you will see in good time.

I'm not terminally woried yet; I can still leave anytime I want, but if this trend of the religious right fucking us over continues, I'll leave.

Though I disagree with liberal economics, I absolutely detest the theocracy this nation seems to be becoming.

Ace42
07-01-2005, 08:31 PM
GMA']I'm not terminally woried yet; I can still leave anytime I want, but if this trend of the religious right fucking us over continues, I'll leave.

Though I disagree with liberal economics, I absolutely detest the theocracy this nation seems to be becoming.

Where are you going to run to, Eurasia?

GreenEarthAl
07-01-2005, 09:36 PM
Once upon a time I wrote a dytopian novel of my own.

People compare it to 1984 a lot, but it's actually quite different.

Yep.

EN[i]GMA
07-01-2005, 10:57 PM
Once upon a time I wrote a dytopian novel of my own.

People compare it to 1984 a lot, but it's actually quite different.

Yep.

So I've heard.

EN[i]GMA
07-01-2005, 10:58 PM
Where are you going to run to, Eurasia?

ANTARCTICA!