i got escorted out of the mall by security

[TurdBerglar]

it seems you can make a girl cry if you tell her "to go fuck yourself"


i fuckn' hate those vulchers trying to sell you cell phones. you can't sit any where without one of them fuckn' hassling you. the fuckn' girl wouldn't leave me alone. i told her a whole bunch of times i wasn't interested then she tried pulling that im such a cute little girl routine look at my tits. I ALL READY WAS LOOKING AT YOUR TITS AND I DON'T WANT NO FUCKN' CELL PHONE!

fuckn' twat.


-go fuck yourself!
-starts to cry
-security guard comes over

[miss soul fire]

I bet he only told you "easy on the tits, boy I've seen them first!" And then he flipped his hair and left all angry and girly.:D

[RobMoney]

Look at my tits is one heck of a marketing strategy though,

many a young perv fall for it
Props to you for being smart enough to resist it (y)

[King PSYZ]

excellent, so now sue the mall for public embarassment and harassment by the employees there.
no means no, or at least that's what the billboards and PSAa say...

[Lindsey_1535]

I like your stories, very enjoyable.

[kll]

they must've been offensively small...

[RobMoney]

they must've been offensively small...



hahahaaaaa.....


I said hahaaaaaaaaaaaa..........

[TurdBerglar]

they must've been offensively small...


what? her tits? no, they were fantastic and she knew it. that's why she was so shocked i treated her that way. not use to guys being blunt with her i guess. she has that cute girl filter that makes guys withstand all the bullshit she puts out.

[kll]

what? her tits? no, they were fantastic and she knew it. that's why she was so shocked i treated her that way. not use to guys being blunt with her i guess. she has that cute girl filter that makes guys withstand all the bullshit she puts out.

damn! i hate being wrong!

[TurdBerglar]

you must be pissed off a lot then

[kll]

that was so funny, i forgot to laugh...

[TurdBerglar]

what are you my father?

[kll]

i guess you'll never know...

[TurdBerglar]

yes

[TurdBerglar]

i think she had used her hypno tit trick on the guard previously

[enree erzweglle]

K-Mart security put its cop lights on and pulled me over for cutting diagonally across the parking lot.

[RobMoney]

i think she had used her hypno tit trick on the guard previously

AHEM!!!




many a young perv fall for it

[TurdBerglar]

what

[Tzar]

they had the same type of chicks walking around the latest big car show over here. every cunt just got straight to the chase:

"hi, can i offer you a deal for Vodafone's new sim card?"
"no, but you can offer me your number? :D"
"ohh noooooo - but with this Vodafone number etc etc..."

i can guarantee they didn't make one deal but had 1000+ requests for their number.
they were hot as fuck (http://www.franzonline.net/motorvation2005/sunday-show/mini-dsc03883.jpg)

[TurdBerglar]

their tits suck

[RobMoney]

suck their tits


:D

[TurdBerglar]

huhuh

[Tzar]

their tits suck
i'd tap the blonde one. that's the only pic i could find of the vodafone chicks; there was easily 50 of them. all 100% instant boner - they ain't the greatest.

[King of Rock II]

did you really need to tell her to go fuck herself though? i mean you could have handled it differently even if you feel like she was being pushy. maybe she was a bit pushy, maybe you were a little more rude than was necessary, and maybe she was being a little pathetic with the crying and all.

next time just tell her that you don't want a phone but you do want her phone number.

[TurdBerglar]

did you really need to tell her to go fuck herself though? i mean you could have handled it differently even if you feel like she was being pushy. maybe she was a bit pushy, maybe you were a little more rude than was necessary, and maybe she was being a little pathetic with the crying and all.

next time just tell her that you don't want a phone but you do want her phone number.


no

she needed to be told to go fuck herself. she was acting all flirty and slutty thinking i would fall into that. who the fuck does she think i am? fuckn' bitch

[Tzar]

"do you want my details for a phone? or do you want my cock?" shoulda just said that.

[kll]

no

she needed to be told to go fuck herself. she was acting all flirty and slutty thinking i would fall into that. who the fuck does she think i am? fuckn' bitch


maybe she recognized your photo from here and knows you are all about tits and ass...

[skinnybutphat]

no

she needed to be told to go fuck herself. she was acting all flirty and slutty thinking i would fall into that. who the fuck does she think i am? fuckn' bitch

Wouldn't it be more fun to tell her how ineffective you thought her chicanery was?

[zorra_chiflada]

no

she needed to be told to go fuck herself. she was acting all flirty and slutty thinking i would fall into that. who the fuck does she think i am? fuckn' bitch

good on you. (y)
girls like that need to be told or they will be like that their whole lives. they make all women look like idiots.
hopefully she quit

[like2_drink]

i was kicked out of zellers for six months, man were they pissed to see me in there not two seconds later ( i dropped a dollar and wanted it back )

[BOBBY DIGITAL]

That's too bad that Lafours is still givin' you shit, Brodie.


Fucker's faster than Walt Flannigan's dog.

[TurdBerglar]

good on you. (y)
girls like that need to be told or they will be like that their whole lives. they make all women look like idiots.
hopefully she quit


you haven't shown me your tits yet

[zorra_chiflada]

you haven't shown me your tits yet

hmph (http://www.nature.com/news/2000/001228/images/udder_200.jpg)

[BOBBY DIGITAL]

hmph (http://www.nature.com/news/2000/001228/images/udder_200.jpg)


DDDDDDDAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!


now that's a tittie.

[TurdBerglar]

you can start your damn cell phone company with some tits like that

[tracky]

they had the same type of chicks walking around the latest big car show over here. every cunt just got straight to the chase:

"hi, can i offer you a deal for Vodafone's new sim card?"
"no, but you can offer me your number? :D"
"ohh noooooo - but with this Vodafone number etc etc..."

i can guarantee they didn't make one deal but had 1000+ requests for their number.
they were hot as fuck (http://www.franzonline.net/motorvation2005/sunday-show/mini-dsc03883.jpg)

you mean the blonde on the far right? can't you see she's taken ;)

[zorra_chiflada]

you can start your damn cell phone company with some tits like that

actually, i used to work for a phone company a couple of years ago, trying to get people to join up. the only reason i got the job was because i had blonde hair at the time. i quit after a couple of days. :o
fuck, i was an idiot.

[SobaViolence]

i got escorted by mall security and banned for 3 weeks for having sex with my former gf in the washroom.


it was worth it.

[TurdBerglar]

only three weeks?

[Tzar]

you mean the blonde on the far right? can't you see she's taken ;)

i didn't notice that. what a piece of bling.
i'd still hit it....like 50 times a day.

[paul jones]

it seems you can make a girl cry if you tell her "to go fuck yourself"


i fuckn' hate those vulchers trying to sell you cell phones. you can't sit any where without one of them fuckn' hassling you. the fuckn' girl wouldn't leave me alone. i told her a whole bunch of times i wasn't interested then she tried pulling that im such a cute little girl routine look at my tits. I ALL READY WAS LOOKING AT YOUR TITS AND I DON'T WANT NO FUCKN' CELL PHONE!

fuckn' twat.


-go fuck yourself!
-starts to cry
-security guard comes over


Turd is my hero (y)

[ms.peachy]

Heh. I just had a guy turfed out of the museum for wearing a shirt that said "Fuckme, I'm famous" on it.

I mean Jesus H Christ, have a little sense. Where exactly did he think he was going today?

[paul jones]

Heh. I just had a guy turfed out of the museum for wearing a shirt that said "Fuckme, I'm famous" on it.

I mean Jesus H Christ, have a little sense. Where exactly did he think he was going today?

the snobby museum bastards! (n)

[ms.peachy]

the snobby museum bastards! (n)
You know it :p I so enjoyed it too.

[Nuzzolese]

That was really insulting of her to assume that just because you're a guy, you're going to be dumb enough to do something just to be around some tits. She was being degrading.


Turd are you sure you didn't send her mixed signals? Maybe you were checking her out before she talked to you, smiling and seemed friendly you know, literally saying "no" but your body was saying "yes." And then like a cat you go from cuddly purring to flipping over slashing with your claws out. This has happened to me before; A guy will seem really friendly and talkative so he can lure you into a conversation to get the chance to tell you to fuck off so he can feel like an empowered man who told a girl to leave him alone. It's a cheap grab for self confidence. This was more common with young guys in their teens and early 20s, I don't see it much anymore and I've started to tell when a guy is doing the "nice" asshole routine.

[Qdrop]

no

she needed to be told to go fuck herself. she was acting all flirty and slutty thinking i would fall into that. who the fuck does she think i am? fuckn' bitch
i applaud you, sir.

you took one for the team...

[ms.peachy]

i applaud you, sir.

you took one for the team...

bollocks.

Take that attitude to its extreme, and you end up living in a society that says that women ought to wear shapeless robes and veils - or better yet, not let out in public unaccompanied - lest they should try to inflame the passions of some poor hapless male.

[Qdrop]

bollocks.

Take that attitude to its extreme, and you end up living in a society that says that women ought to wear shapeless robes and veils - or better yet, not let out in public unaccompanied - lest they should try to inflame the passions of some poor hapless male.

who said anything about taking it to the extreme?




other than Vanilla Ice....

[ms.peachy]

who said anything about taking it to the extreme?


I'm just saying, it's a misogynistic display. So she flirted with him to try to get him to buy something. Like this is some strange new sales tactic? What exactly did she do that was so unacceptable besides be a bit girly? And, why does her being girly merit contempt? I'm just trying to get to why everyone's all like "Hey, good for you, Turd!" like he's done something admirable by acting like an asshole because someone at the MALL tried to convince him to BUY stuff! :eek:

other than Vanilla Ice....
heh, nice one.

[Moo Moo]

hmph (http://www.nature.com/news/2000/001228/images/udder_200.jpg)

We are no longer friends.

[Qdrop]

I'm just saying, it's a misogynistic display. So she flirted with him to try to get him to buy something. Like this is some strange new sales tactic? What exactly did she do that was so unacceptable besides be a bit girly? And, why does her being girly merit contempt? I'm just trying to get to why everyone's all like "Hey, good for you, Turd!" like he's done something admirable by acting like an asshole because someone at the MALL tried to convince him to BUY stuff! :eek:


what we have here is gender clash.

if this story happend just as Turd stated, then this girl was attempting to use her sexuality to sell a product that had nothing to do with sexuality or physical appearance. that is shallow and objectifies women for one. it should not be respected.
second, she was being rude and pushy. that should not be respected.

lastly, turd made a judgment call. he percieved her to be someone who was accustomed to getting what she wanted due to her physical attributes. he perceived her as presumptuous, sexually arrogant, and egotistical. this is not be respected.
he lashed out at her for numerous reasons: to show his anger at her presumption that her boobs allowed her to be as pushy as she wanted and would induce a sale.
to show anger at her rudeness.
to show anger and disapproval for he apparent overly inflated self esteem and to knock her down a peg, so as she would learn a lesson: shallow and physically egotistical is no way to go through life.

[mickill]

I'm just saying, it's a misogynistic display. So she flirted with him to try to get him to buy something. Like this is some strange new sales tactic? What exactly did she do that was so unacceptable besides be a bit girly? And, why does her being girly merit contempt? I'm just trying to get to why everyone's all like "Hey, good for you, Turd!" like he's done something admirable by acting like an asshole because someone at the MALL tried to convince him to BUY stuff! :eek:

I was going to say something similar. How is this account considered "one for the team"? Using your physical attributes to some degree in order to get a person's attention is really no different from smiling a lot and turning up the charm. Selling isn't always the most dignified profession to begin with.

[Qdrop]

I was going to say something similar. How is this account considered "one for the team"? Using your physical attributes to some degree in order to get a person's attention is really no different from smiling a lot and turning up the charm. Selling isn't always the most dignified profession to begin with.

see above.

[Nuzzolese]

if this story happend just as Turd stated, then this girl was attempting to use her sexuality to sell a product that had nothing to do with sexuality or physical appearance. that is shallow and objectifies women for one. it should not be respected.
second, she was being rude and pushy. that should not be respected.

lastly, turd made a judgment call. he percieved her to be someone who was accustomed to getting what she wanted due to her physical attributes. he perceived her as presumptuous, sexually arrogant, and egotistical. this is not be respected.
he lashed out at her for numerous reasons: to show his anger at her presumption that her boobs allowed her to be as pushy as she wanted and would induce a sale.
to show anger at her rudeness.
to show anger and disapproval for he apparent overly inflated self esteem and to knock her down a peg, so as she would learn a lesson: shallow and physically egotistical is no way to go through life.

I agree with this, although I still think he acted out in a degree of rudeness greater than that he claims he was met with, and I think he was lashing out at what this girl symbolized to him, not just at this individual, and I have doubts that it all went down just as he claimed.

Wow, I feel like we're in court!

[ms.peachy]

Oh my god! There was a rude pushy salesperson at the mall! One who even dared tried to use her looks to get attention! Holy crap! Thank God there are big brave men like Turd in the world who will stand up to this evil tyranny! He's a hero! Let's build a statue in his honour! Better yet, let's make today a national holiday! That way we will never forget his just, righteous, selfless sacrifice!

[mickill]

see above.

I think the story is half bullshit, personally. But the fact that most of the responses in this thread condone the idea of someone knocking a person down a peg based on their assumption that they need it, and that telling them to "go fuck themselves" is warranted doesn't say a whole lot about where we're at as a society.

[Nuzzolese]

I think the story is half bullshit, personally. But the fact that most of the responses in this thread condone the idea of someone knocking a person down a peg based on their assumption that they need it, and that telling them to "go fuck themselves" is warranted doesn't say a whole lot about where we're at as a society.

Since when has this board been a significant indicator of the positive attributes of society? This is where we go on vacation to stretch our inner assholes. Lovely image, isn't it?

[Qdrop]

and I think he was lashing out at what this girl symbolized to him, not just at this individual,

i agree.

i do the same.

[King PSYZ]

bollocks.

Take that attitude to its extreme, and you end up living in a society that says that women ought to wear shapeless robes and veils - or better yet, not let out in public unaccompanied - lest they should try to inflame the passions of some poor hapless male.
would you be feeling this same way if it was a guy who was being a pushy and brash salesperson despite repeated instances of being told no thanks and he was told to fuck off?
do you feel because she was female she should have been handled more gently?
because if so, then you're way of thinking will hold women back from being seen as equals more than turd telling a pushy salesperson to fuck off ever could.

[ms.peachy]

Since when has this board been a significant indicator of the positive attributes of society? This is where we go on vacation to stretch our inner assholes. Lovely image, isn't it?
Well you know. If we didn't stretch them, so many of us wouldn't be able to fit our heads up in there - and THEN what where would we be, huh? Poor Q would be left with no hobbies at all.

[mickill]

Since when has this board been a significant indicator of the positive attributes of society? This is where we go on vacation to stretch our inner assholes. Lovely image, isn't it?
Ok, first of all, gross. Secondly, I think the opinions expressed on this board are more acccurate than what you may get from a person in a face to face discussion. People are often a lot more blunt and less apprehensive about their actual opinions here than in the real world.

[mickill]

I think he was lashing out at what this girl symbolized to him, not just at this individual

This is Turd we're talking about, right?

[Nuzzolese]

Ok, first of all, gross. Secondly, I think the opinions expressed on this board are more acccurate than what you may get from a person in a face to face discussion. People are often a lot more blunt and less apprehensive about their actual opinions here than in the real world.

They are accurate but the board warps things, exaggerates the negative sentiments and diminishes the postive sentiments. Since positive comments are welcome in the physical walkbout in your face world, we get to vent them there, while all the piss and vinegar is saved for the anonymous typed-word safe-distance CYBERSPACE - that is, except for Turd who spews it in the faces of salesgirls.

[ms.peachy]

would you be feeling this same way if it was a guy who was being a pushy and brash salesperson despite repeated instances of being told no thanks and he was told to fuck off?
do you feel because she was female she should have been handled more gently?
because if so, then you're way of thinking will hold women back from being seen as equals more than turd telling a pushy salesperson to fuck off ever could.
No, that isn't what I'm saying at all.

What I'm saying is a) don't go to the fucking mall and then act all uptight because someone tried to tell you some stuff you didn't need or want. It's like boarding a plane and then getting pissed off because it's going up in the air, and b)his anger is specifically directed at the fact that (he percieved) she tried to be a bit flirty with him. As though this is a crime she should be severly punished for. And that's the same line of reasoning that puts women in burkhas - the notion that they are dirty and vile and will subvert men's attention from purer pursuits. (Although just what Turd's purer pursuit was at the mall, I do not know.)

[Nuzzolese]

This is Turd we're talking about, right?

He's a genius! He's like a fur teacup, seemingly meaningless and contradictory but it really makes you think.

[Nuzzolese]

And that's the same line of reasoning that puts women in burkhas - the notion that they are dirty and vile and will subvert men's attention from purer pursuits. (Although just what Turd's purer pursuit was at the mall, I do not know.)

Yes it is, if that line of reasoning is from a position in power. Instead, Turd feels like the tits in your face is the powerful position and he's subverting it by rebelling against it. This girl was degrading herself to sell things, using her body to sell phones, maybe Turd's comment will give her something to think about, to use something less superficial to find her calling in life, maybe she'll go back to school or otherwise not sellout on her looks like that to strangers and end up feeling so cheap. I doubt it, but this is fun to talk about.

[Qdrop]

And that's the same line of reasoning that puts women in burkhas - the notion that they are dirty and vile and will subvert men's attention from purer pursuits.

lady, put down the ritalin....

talk about ridiculous jumps....

[Qdrop]

Poor Q would be left with no hobbies at all.

i'm pulling out the sabre....


(and that is NOT a sexual innuendo...)

[Qdrop]

This girl was degrading herself to sell things, using her body to sell phones, maybe Turd's comment will give her something to think about, to use something less superficial to find her calling in life, maybe she'll go back to school or otherwise not sellout on her looks like that to strangers and end up feeling so cheap. I doubt it, but this is fun to talk about.

see, you get it.

[King PSYZ]

No, that isn't what I'm saying at all.

What I'm saying is a) don't go to the fucking mall and then act all uptight because someone tried to tell you some stuff you didn't need or want. It's like boarding a plane and then getting pissed off because it's going up in the air, and b)his anger is specifically directed at the fact that (he percieved) she tried to be a bit flirty with him. As though this is a crime she should be severly punished for. And that's the same line of reasoning that puts women in burkhas - the notion that they are dirty and vile and will subvert men's attention from purer pursuits. (Although just what Turd's purer pursuit was at the mall, I do not know.)
no you go to a mall to buy things true, but if someone is trying to sell you something after repeatedly being told no thanks, that's harassment and that person should be told off.
the second part of your "argument" is fucking ludacris. YOU should be offended more so than turd was at her using her sexuality to overcome the objection of not interested in the product she's shilling. doesn't that objectify women and really makes a bad statement as to if she couldn't do her job without her sex appeal?
that's why i applaud turd, i worked in cell phone sales actually and i worked with a very attractive young girl and she solely relied on her selling skills to make her commissions. in fact if someone was leering at her or obviously hanging around and buying more just to oggle her she'd pass them off to one of the male salespeople just to get them out of there (she'd get credit for any sale still, we weren't stealing her comissions).

[ms.peachy]

Yes it is, if that line of reasoning is from a position in power. Instead, Turd feels like the tits in your face is the powerful position and he's subverting it by rebelling against it.
Flip sides of the same coin. It all comes down to the male trying to control the sexual power of the female. This is just a small scale example, is all.

From my perspective, when I say see a guy recating to a female's display (however minor, as I imagine this incident to be) with such vehemence and anger, it's like a warning bell. He wants to punish one woman, because of his anger with all women. As you have said already, Nuzz - his reaction wasn't just about this incident.

Q as I said, I know I am taking this line of reasoning down to its far end - but it is the same line. I'm pointing out where I see it on the continuum.

By the way, I say all this realising that Turd is a fabulous and largely fictitious character, and that virtually everything he says on here is all about pushing buttons. I just happen to like the way this one is going, is all.

[mickill]

They are accurate but the board warps things, exaggerates the negative sentiments and diminishes the postive sentiments. Since positive comments are welcome in the physical walkbout in your face world, we get to vent them there, while all the piss and vinegar is saved for the anonymous typed-word safe-distance CYBERSPACE - that is, except for Turd who spews it in the faces of salesgirls.

Yes, I know, but I really don't really think that Turd made a conscious decision to put someone in their place or confront the quandary he was faced with in a manner to benefit this person or take one for the team; he got annoyed. Plain and simple. Wow. This isn't even really to do with gender issues or using sex to sell, it's that people think that what (he claims) he did was this great momentous act that actually mattered or something.

[Qdrop]

Wow. This isn't even really to do with gender issues or using sex to sell, it's that people think that what (he claims) he did was this great momentous act that actually mattered or something.

fuck you, i'm writing a book about it.

[ms.peachy]

the second part of your "argument" is fucking ludacris. YOU should be offended more so than turd was at her using her sexuality to overcome the objection of not interested in the product she's shilling. doesn't that objectify women and really makes a bad statement as to if she couldn't do her job without her sex appeal?
No it isn't "ludacris." In fact, it isn't even ludicrous. It's the subject of a great deal of scholarly attention and if you are actually interested in understanding my argument, I will be happy to source an article or two on the subject. If however you just want to tell me I'm wrong, I won't waste either of our time. It's an argument "as old as Eve", as they say.

I really don't see a thing wrong with women - or men - using their sex appeal as part of how they present themselves. If it's the only trick you got in your bag, well, I think that's a sad thing. But if you got looks and brains and you can use them together, then by all means - go right ahead.

[mickill]

fuck you

Huh. Now, had I been female, you'd have just taken one for the team. But I'm not, see? So no kudos for you.

[Qdrop]

Huh. Now, had I been female, you'd have just taken one for the team. But I'm not, see? So no kudos for you.

weak analogy man...weak.

[mickill]

weak analogy man...weak.

Psssh

*flexes*

[Qdrop]

Psssh

*flexes*

*swoon*

[King PSYZ]

If you don't see anything wrong with a woman objectifying herself yet think you can decry turd for yelling at a girl because in your head he was one step away from throwing her in a burkha you are seriously twisted.

It's going to be feminists like yourself that will do more to keep gender equallity from becoming a relality in the same way other previously marginalised groups think they should be handled with kid gloves and given special privlages for being who they are because of how badly they were oppressed in the past.

All that kind of thinking does is continue to keep everyone seperate and from being accepted as a whole species, instead of the gender they were born as or they color of their skin.

[Nuzzolese]

Even though he was being rude I understand the feeling when advertising and pushy uses of sexuality are dirven at you all the time, and yes he was at the mall so he willingly entered advertising territory but still it's like whipping the tall sexy pushy blades of grass aside with your verbal machete in order to get what you want. It's an oppressive, mind-numbing, mind-fucking market out there and you have to endure it to live in the world of material wealth and comfort but sometimes you feel bombarded by beauty telling you that you love beauty, telling you you want beauty, telling you you need things to be beautiful and that you are weak and a tool to make money for someone else. This girl was also just a tool in the market jungle and hopefully she'll have a moment when she tells her manager to fuck off too, when he tries to get her to sell more and she feels like she has to work harder at a shitty job and look prettier and have more phones and we're always reminded how important it is to have a sellable quality, to USE yourself to manipulate other people to get things for someone else. Tell it to fuck off, tell them to fuck off, it's insensitive and harsh and she's not to blame but each individual has the right to tell which part of the world they don't enjoy to fuck off and they will give only an inch for commerce but they will give no more! I may be cheap but I am no pushover!

[mickill]

*swoon*

Wanna buy a phone, miss? It weighs less than a pencil. Watch as I demonstrate it's light weight by curling it with my massive biceps.

[King PSYZ]

I think nuzz is giving this as of yet unheard from girl all too much credit. The girl got told to bug off according to turd a few times before he made her cry.

and the crying thing is nearly as bad as her shoving her tits in his face to get him to sign a two year contract for shitty phone service.
"oh no i am a fraglie girl and this brute made me cry boo hoo he should be punished!"

[ms.peachy]

If you don't see anything wrong with a woman objectifying herself yet think you can decry turd for yelling at a girl because in your head he was one step away from throwing her in a burkha you are seriously twisted.

It's going to be feminists like yourself that will do more to keep gender equallity from becoming a relality in the same way other previously marginalised groups think they should be handled with kid gloves and given special privlages for being who they are because of how badly they were oppressed in the past.


Where did I say anyone should be given special privileges?

You and I clearly have differing viewpoints on when and how a person is allowed to indulge the sexual sense of him- or herself. You want to put it into neatly compartmentalised boxes. Well, if that works for you. But I don't personally think it works for anybody.

My sexuality and attractiveness are but one tool I have in my toolbox. I also have my intellect, my wit, my life experience, my specialised knowledge, etc. In any situation, I am free to draw on any of them as I see fit. When I was addressing an audience of scientists and educators earlier this week, I relied on all of them. Of course I wanted them to see me as a professional, provocative and entertaining lecturer. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't also aware as I stood at the podium that I also was looking pretty fierce and fine, if I do say so myself. Because it's part of me, it's part of how I present myself to the world, and I am quite happy if several attendees went home thinking of me as "that hot chick who led the physics workshop."

I guess because I didn't have a religious upbringing per se and had pretty open, honest parents with regard to sex, I never learned that to be sexy or to have sexual feeling is something to feel ashamed of. Poor me, huh? I'm really twisted.

All that kind of thinking does is continue to keep everyone seperate and from being accepted as a whole species, instead of the gender they were born as or they color of their skin.

What kind of thinking, that people shouldn't feel ashamed to use what they got as if it was their right to do so?

[Nuzzolese]

I think nuzz is giving this as of yet unheard from girl all too much credit. The girl got told to bug off according to turd a few times before he made her cry.

and the crying thing is nearly as bad as her shoving her tits in his face to get him to sign a two year contract for shitty phone service.
"oh no i am a fraglie girl and this brute made me cry boo hoo he should be punished!"

That's justthe problem with you "gender equality" soldiers. You always want people to be subjected to the same assumptions and expectations. There is no gender equality and there never will be. Gender equality is a ridiculous dream, the genders are different and always will be. She has tits and she can cry and make things happen, he's a man he can be brutal and applauded for it that's the way of things. Besides she gets default credit on account of Turd being a dick. It's like a checks and balances thing.

[King PSYZ]

No, the kind of thinking that if you are a woman you have the right to be pushy and use sex to sell something because you don't know how to take no for an answer.

You're making more out if his simple action of telling her to fuck off, and as I stated before you woulnd't have cared if it was a male salesperson who was being intrusive and pushy.

[Nuzzolese]

What kind of thinking, that people shouldn't feel ashamed to use what they got as if it was their right to do so?

I agree with what you're saying, that we are not all equal and we shouldn't be expected to be. We should not and will not have to be judged on the same level. Some people are smarter than others, some sexier, and we all have to use what we've got. Maybe Turd is bolder than others so he's got that going for him. You can't puish the smart kid for making good grades and making the grades unequal, you shoudln't punish the hot chick for being hot and making other people feel bad. Course Turd didn't really punish her, she got him kicked out. She won in that situation because she had more going for her. She had the tears and sympathy of the guards.

[ms.peachy]

No, the kind of thinking that if you are a woman you have the right to be pushy and use sex to sell something because you don't know how to take no for an answer.

You're making more out if his simple action of telling her to fuck off, and as I stated before you woulnd't have cared if it was a male salesperson who was being intrusive and pushy.

You can see into my mind, and know what I care about?

I never said she had the right to be pushy BECAUSE SHE WAS A WOMAN. What I said is that she is a salesperson, and possibly just a pushy PERSON. The pushiness has nothing to do with her being female. But his reaction as reported here seemed to have an awful lot to do with her being female.

I agree though that it ultimately is largely all speculative. Well, it's the internet, whaddaya gonna do, that's the way it goes. Dogpile on the rabbit.

I would point out that it was not me initially that 'made more out of his simple action' - I didn't honestly register Turd's story that much at first. It wasn't until all of the "good for you" gladhanding started that I took a closer look. And as I said, I am aware that I am taking it to the far end of the spectrum in terms of comparison - but as I said before to Q, it's the same line.

[King PSYZ]

I only applauded him for telling a pushy salesperson to fuck off, not for any preconcieved misogonist undertones.

Can't speak for the other individuals here.

[P of R]

*applause*

You did what many people think about doing but never dares. (y)

[Qdrop]

Wanna buy a phone, miss? It weighs less than a pencil. Watch as I demonstrate it's light weight by curling it with my massive biceps.

"well..i...uh....HEY! NO.....FUCK OFF!"


*mickill starts crying.....Minton kicks Qdrop of BBMB*

[Nuzzolese]

"well..i...uh....HEY! NO.....FUCK OFF!"


*mickill starts crying.....Minton kicks Qdrop of BBMB*

Way to go Qdrop! (y)

[Qdrop]

Way to go Qdrop! (y)

hmm...
now why did Qdrop tell Mickill to fuck off?

let's annalyze that....

[beastieangel01]

I hate when the cell phone people bother me. Especially the males. They are all dirty and perverted.

[Nuzzolese]

hmm...
now why did Qdrop tell Mickill to fuck off?

let's annalyze that....

Probably because Qdrop was jealous

[Qdrop]

eh..
i think king psyz is pretty on point with most enlightened male sentiment.
it's debatable...but i agree with where he's coming from.

personally, i think peachy is defending this woman purely to emotionally defend her own physical flirtatious activity.
it's a flirt defending a flirt.

[ms.peachy]

I only applauded him for telling a pushy salesperson to fuck off, not for any preconcieved misogonist undertones.

Can't speak for the other individuals here.

If it's "fuck off, you're annoying", that's one thing, and I'm really a-ok with that. What I had a problem with was the "She has no right to try and use her attractiveness to sell stuff" theme that emerged. The hell she doesn't. Sure she does. We all do. And I mean we all PEOPLE, not we all WOMEN, just to be clear.

I surely hope the day never comes that guys stop flirting with me - for sales or any other reason. It's a great part of being alive.

At the end of the day, what I don't get is why Turd didn't just, like...walk away. But then, we wouldn't have had all this fun. :)

And for all we know... maybe that's what really did happen, anyway.

[Qdrop]

My sexuality and attractiveness are but one tool I have in my toolbox. I also have my intellect, my wit, my life experience, my specialised knowledge, etc. In any situation, I am free to draw on any of them as I see fit. When I was addressing an audience of scientists and educators earlier this week, I relied on all of them. Of course I wanted them to see me as a professional, provocative and entertaining lecturer. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't also aware as I stood at the podium that I also was looking pretty fierce and fine, if I do say so myself. Because it's part of me, it's part of how I present myself to the world, and I am quite happy if several attendees went home thinking of me as "that hot chick who led the physics workshop."


ahh...the Neo-Feminism mantra.


and I am quite happy if several attendees went home thinking of me as "that hot chick who led the physics workshop.

you know feminists of yester-year would string you up and give you an artificial penis for saying that.

it's so interesting how feminism has fractured off and evolved over the decades....

[Qdrop]

Probably because Qdrop was jealous

of that!?!

*flexes harder*

[Nuzzolese]

it's so interesting how feminism has fractured off and evolved over the decades....

Yes, if you mean feminism as a social category, but it's not like these various viewpoints never existed before being given a name and publicity.

[ms.peachy]

eh..
i think king psyz is pretty on point with most enlightened male sentiment.
it's debatable...but i agree with where he's coming from.

personally, i think peachy is defending this woman purely to emotionally defend her own physical flirtatious activity.
it's a flirt defending a flirt.

I won't deny that I enjoy it, I have said so several times. But I'm not defending it just for me. I think it's a great thing for everybody. It's not "purely emotional", but it is purely enjoyable. Why are all you people so damn uptight about flirting, anyway?

I would point out though that I am not defending "this woman" specifically. Largely because I'm not convinced she actually exists.

[Qdrop]

Yes, if you mean feminism as a social category, but it's not like these various viewpoints never existed before being given a name and publicity.

it's evolved and flip-flopped pretty drastically over the decades.



toots.

[Nuzzolese]

of that!?!

*flexes harder*

Careful, you'll pull something! I hope you did some pre-flex stretches of your inner asshole. Then again, you probably don't let that muscle get too slack anyway.



This is gross.

[Qdrop]

Why are all you people so damn uptight about flirting, anyway? BUTTON UP THAT BLOUSE...you deviant!

Largely because I'm not convinced she actually exists. ok, well the proverbial girl then....

[ms.peachy]

Yes, if you mean feminism as a social category, but it's not like these various viewpoints never existed before being given a name and publicity.
I guess we're just meant to stagnate and never change, or something :rolleyes:

[Qdrop]

I hope you did some pre-flex stretches of your inner asshole. Then again, you probably don't let that muscle get too slack anyway.


are you calling me gay?

[ms.peachy]

are you calling me gay?
Stop that. Psyz will accuse you of demanding special treatment.

[Qdrop]

I guess we're just meant to stagnate and never change, or something :rolleyes:

it's just that it usually takes guys about 40 years to catch up....and by that time it's all been changed.

[Nuzzolese]

are you calling me gay?

NO! It's a metaphor

[Qdrop]

NO! It's a metaphor

what's a meta for?

[Nuzzolese]

what's a meta for?

your gay lover

[Qdrop]

your gay lover

wait....are you calling me gay?

[mickill]

wait....are you calling me gay?
I think she's just asking you to keep it tight.

[Qdrop]

I think she's just asking you to keep it tight.

are you coming on to me?

[Nuzzolese]

are you coming on to me?

No! It's an analogy!


I'll stop

[mickill]

are you coming on to me?
No. I'm saying that you may need to do kegels, man. That's just from one hetero man to another.

[Qdrop]

well if no one is gonna question my sexuality or come on to me...i'm leavin....

[TurdBerglar]

you fuckn' people are nuts





and on a side note. i had my headphones on at the time and she was like snapping her fingers at me to get my attention. i just wanted to sit down and eat my pretzel balls as i was waiting for the bus.

[Tzar]

and on a side note. i had my headphones on at the time and she was like snapping her fingers at me to get my attention. i just wanted to sit down and eat my pretzel balls as i was waiting for the bus.

ok. i understand now.
that's way too rude for my likings.

[zorra_chiflada]

bollocks.

Take that attitude to its extreme, and you end up living in a society that says that women ought to wear shapeless robes and veils - or better yet, not let out in public unaccompanied - lest they should try to inflame the passions of some poor hapless male.

from a feminist point of view i'm going to have to disagree with you.
women like "phone company girls" sabotage the reputation of the rest of the women in the world. if they treat themselves as objects, not only will they get treated as objects, so will other women.

[zorra_chiflada]

what we have here is gender clash.

if this story happend just as Turd stated, then this girl was attempting to use her sexuality to sell a product that had nothing to do with sexuality or physical appearance. that is shallow and objectifies women for one. it should not be respected.
second, she was being rude and pushy. that should not be respected.

lastly, turd made a judgment call. he percieved her to be someone who was accustomed to getting what she wanted due to her physical attributes. he perceived her as presumptuous, sexually arrogant, and egotistical. this is not be respected.
he lashed out at her for numerous reasons: to show his anger at her presumption that her boobs allowed her to be as pushy as she wanted and would induce a sale.
to show anger at her rudeness.
to show anger and disapproval for he apparent overly inflated self esteem and to knock her down a peg, so as she would learn a lesson: shallow and physically egotistical is no way to go through life.

q nails it on the head.

[zorra_chiflada]

No, that isn't what I'm saying at all.

What I'm saying is a) don't go to the fucking mall and then act all uptight because someone tried to tell you some stuff you didn't need or want. It's like boarding a plane and then getting pissed off because it's going up in the air, and b)his anger is specifically directed at the fact that (he percieved) she tried to be a bit flirty with him. As though this is a crime she should be severly punished for. And that's the same line of reasoning that puts women in burkhas - the notion that they are dirty and vile and will subvert men's attention from purer pursuits. (Although just what Turd's purer pursuit was at the mall, I do not know.)

no, no, not at all.
a lot of women don't seem to realise that women that use their sexuality affect all other women in a negative way.

[zorra_chiflada]

ahh...the Neo-Feminism mantra.




you know feminists of yester-year would string you up and give you an artificial penis for saying that.

it's so interesting how feminism has fractured off and evolved over the decades....

holy crap, i couldn't agree with you more! (lb)
i'm sorry, but this new feminism, in which women defend the right to use their sexuality is bullshit. it's like the women's movement never happened.

[Kid Presentable]

Saying that flirting is great for everybody is rubbish. It's great for the people who rely on others for gratification. For misanthropes like me, it just illustrates further how pointless life can really be.

If your idea of a good time is flirting(ie;pretending you want a fuck, let's be honest), then good luck to ya.

[zippo]

That's just the problem with you "gender equality" soldiers. There is no gender equality and there never will be. Gender equality is a ridiculous dream, the genders are different and always will be.

yup. (y)


...you know, for a northamerican, you sure dont tend to think like one.

[zorra_chiflada]

^well, as long as women have this attitude that sexualising themselves is a good idea and it will get them ahead in life, there won't be gender equality. too many women are complacent and think everything's just fine with the way they are treated. i feel that society is going backwards.

[zippo]

^well, as long as women have this attitude that sexualising themselves is a good idea and it will get them ahead in life, there won't be gender equality. too many women are complacent and think everything's just fine with the way they are treated. i feel that society is going backwards.

i just dont think theres nothing to fight for

...unless im an iraqui or something

[zorra_chiflada]

i just dont think theres nothing to fight for

...unless im an iraqui or something

well, inequality doesn't permeate all aspects of life like it used to, that's true.
but i suppose the media is a good example of gender inequality - and i suppose gender degradation.
models, beauty pageants, advertising are some more examples.

[zippo]

i suppose the media is a good example of gender inequality - and i suppose gender degradation.
models, beauty pageants, advertising are some more examples.

as long as those images stay fictional and dont pour off into reality, i think we can manage. i see those beer commercials but they dont get to me, maybe they should, but they dont. cuz i turn the tv off and i dont see that in real life. or maybe its cuz i simply dont feel threatened...but thats my example.

[ms.peachy]

zorra, you are absolutely free to disagree with me, as you well know, but I don't think you can claim THE "feminist point of view." As has already been touched upon, there isn't one singular feminist point of view.

You seem to equate "sexualization" with "objectification", that they are one and the same. My personal feeling is that this is an outdated notion that does women (and men) no favours. My sexuality is part of my total being, and I don't feel any need to put it into a little box and keep it up on the closet shelf until such time as everyone else decides it's 'appropriate'.

As I said before - if all you (not you you, the rhetorical you) are offering to the world is sex, and relying upon that above all other things, then of course that is a pretty poor showing. Yes that is unfortunately what some people do. But sex appeal + wit + intellect + compassion + skill + confidence etc, these are all good things to use in judicious combination.

Sex is not something I feel ashamed of, so why should I mind if people - men or women - respond to it?

My comment about the "covering up" in some societies where women are repressed is, I still believe, a valid one. As I said to psyz, it is an area of some scholarship and if you are interested I can poke around a bit and see if I can find some research for you that may illustrate and communicate my point more eloquently than it appears I am able to here. As you've clearly done some reading in the area of women's studies already, you may find it interesting. Or not. Either way, the offer is there if you would like to take me up on it.

I don't agree with your comment that 'it's as if the women's movement never happened.' I think that is an unfair statement against the many, many women (and men) who laboured for years to bring about the freedoms we now enjoy, and I find it insulting that you think I have no right to view myself as a grown adult woman who is allowed to make her own choices as to how and when I express the sexual aspect of my being.

[zorra_chiflada]

zorra, you are absolutely free to disagree with me, as you well know, but I don't think you can claim THE "feminist point of view." As has already been touched upon, there isn't one singular feminist point of view.

You seem to equate "sexualization" with "objectification", that they are one and the same. My personal feeling is that this is an outdated notion that does women (and men) no favours. My sexuality is part of my total being, and I don't feel any need to put it into a little box and keep it up on the closet shelf until such time as everyone else decides it's 'appropriate'.

As I said before - if all you (not you you, the rhetorical you) are offering to the world is sex, and relying upon that above all other things, then of course that is a pretty poor showing. Yes that is unfortunately what some people do. But sex appeal + wit + intellect + compassion + skill + confidence etc, these are all good things to use in judicious combination.

Sex is not something I feel ashamed of, so why should I mind if people - men or women - respond to it?

My comment about the "covering up" in some societies where women are repressed is, I still believe, a valid one. As I said to psyz, it is an area of some scholarship and if you are interested I can poke around a bit and see if I can find some research for you that may illustrate and communicate my point more eloquently than it appears I am able to here. As you've clearly done some reading in the area of women's studies already, you may find it interesting. Or not. Either way, the offer is there if you would like to take me up on it.

I don't agree with your comment that 'it's as if the women's movement never happened.' I think that is an unfair statement against the many, many women (and men) who laboured for years to bring about the freedoms we now enjoy, and I find it insulting that you think I have no right to view myself as a grown adult woman who is allowed to make her own choices as to how and when I express the sexual aspect of my being.

while it may be an outdated notion, there is a problem with the way women are being portrayed.
but do you understand what i mean when i say that women sexualising themselves is counterproductive to women's progess?
how you express your sexuality is fine, but you have to accept there is an increasing attitude of complacency with women - that everything they could have achieved has been done, and many women have just "given up"
are you prepared to accept the fact that not only you will be judged by your actions, but so will women like me who have no desire to be seen as an object for sexual gratification?
i highly doubt if that if you were a man your sexuality would be an important aspect of your self.
with the example you used of women covering up in some countries, the same principle actually applies in western countries. women dress up, wear sexy clothes because they feel they have to and it's the only acceptable way. they are limited as well.
i am interested in finding some research you have found. i have an open mind :)

[TurdBerglar]

i think you two shoyuld have a titty wrestling match to settle this dispute (y)

[zorra_chiflada]

i think you two shoyuld have a titty wrestling match to settle this dispute (y)

that's funny turd.

[ms.peachy]

i am interested in finding some research you have found. i have an open mind :)
Well I'll have to hunt around on the net - in the main so far I am relying on what I remember from texts read a few years back - but I'll see what I can find. You'll have to give me a little time though; I have a guest staying with me from the states and a party on Sat to clean and cook for and a class to teach tomorrow etc etc so I'm not going to be able to give it real attention until probably next week. I'll let you know when/if I find what I am looking for.

I think you and I are essentially arguing to the same point, front opposite directions.

What the hell. Let's wrestle. (Later though - as I said I'm a little busy this week.)

[zorra_chiflada]

Well I'll have to hunt around on the net - in the main so far I am relying on what I remember from texts read a few years back - but I'll see what I can find. You'll have to give me a little time though; I have a guest staying with me from the states and a party on Sat to clean and cook for and a class to teach tomorrow etc etc so I'm not going to be able to give it real attention until probably next week. I'll let you know when/if I find what I am looking for.



ok. thanks for that. :)