Overrated/Underrated

[cosmo105]

Overrated:
The White Stripes
Pearl Jam
The Eagles
Grateful Dead (any fucking jam band for that matter)
The Doors
New Order (yes i like some of their singles. have you ever listened to one of their albums? ugh.)
Depeche Mode (that's right, i said it.)
Green Day
Boston

****

Underrated:
John Prine
Elvis Costello
Steely Dan
Descendents
Wilco
Peggy Lee

****


GO!

[Echewta]

Underrated:
John Prine
Steely Dan



You flirt.

[Lex Diamonds]

Overrated:

Coldplay
Led Zeppelin
50 Cent
The White Stripes
Tupac
Blur
Green Day


Underrated:

The Stone Roses
Eminem
Beastie Boys
GLC
Eazy E
Sublime
Arctic Monkeys
Reverend Coyote

[Los Para Noias]

overrated:
radiohead
nirvana
sonic youth
arcade fire


underrated:
olivia tremor control
neutral milk hotel
fiery furnaces
broken social scene
architecture in helsinki

[ProfessorBootay]

Overated:-

Radiohead
U2
Coldplay
Green Day
Franz Ferdinand
Blink 182
Led Zeppelin (sorry but it is kinda true)
Oasis
Audioslave
Nirvana
Linkin Park

Underated:-

FRANK ZAPPA
Sonic Youth
Bjork
Dinosaur Jr.
Porcupine Tree (great UK prog act)
Jesus and Mary Chain
Alice Cooper

[Gareth]

overrated:
music forum
sure shots

underrated:
cooking forum

[b-grrrlie]

architecture in helsinki

I've taken loads of pictures of architecture in Helsinki. It is very fascinating! There's loads of influences from both the Russian era and loads of Jugend as well. Remember to look up when you're there, there's always surprises! I really love the old Elanto milkbar and the area in Katajanokka, and the couple of old stonehouses in Eira.



























Oh it's a band! :o

[Lex Diamonds]

overrated:
music forum
sure shots

underrated:
cooking forum
overrated:
Gareth

underrated:
Padster

[wavin_goodbye]

overrated
arcade fire
nirvana
coldplay


underrated
pearl jam
soundgarden
rufus wainwright
ben folds
tom waits
josh rouse
mark lanegan

[Gareth]

i'm overhyped too. probably cos i enlisted some affirmative action rappers and a busty singing chick to join my group.

[Tzar]

metallica are pretty under-rated..........................




pahahahah!!

[Kid Presentable]

I'm surprised an english kid called The Stone Roses underrated; I thought it was compulsory listening. :confused:

[Lex Diamonds]

I'm surprised an english kid called The Stone Roses underrated; I thought it was compulsory listening. :confused:
I'm surprised an Australian kid thinks he knows so much about England's musical culture.

Believe me, they're underrated.

[pshabi]

overrated:
radiohead
nirvana
sonic youth
arcade fire


underrated:
olivia tremor control
neutral milk hotel
fiery furnaces
broken social scene
architecture in helsinki
Nirvana and Radiohead are not overrated.

[Kid Presentable]

I'm surprised an Australian kid thinks he knows so much about England's musical culture.

Believe me, they're underrated.

Sorry. It's just when I was over there, pretty much everybody I met would tell me the impact the Stone Roses had during the kick off of the rave scene, and they all rated that album in their top five. I was told their first album would always represent a special time in U.K popular culture; a major factor in why 'Second coming' never met expactations. And because you British folk are so friendly (in real life) I met an awful lot who felt this way.

With that in mind, calling it underated would be wholly folly.

You were 3 when the first one dropped, right?

(don't worry, I was only ten, I've always found it funny how we people front like we really understand something we weren't there for.)

[wavin_goodbye]

^^ since when do you have to be somewhere to understand it... if that's true.... then i guess i should stop studying history :confused: :confused:

[Kid Presentable]

^^ since when do you have to be somewhere to understand it... if that's true.... then i guess i should stop studying history :confused: :confused:

That's not what I meant, It's funny how we can all talk like we know, but very few of us were actually there. This relates to music, your analogy is not apt.

[wavin_goodbye]

i disagree, and i think it's perfectly apt, seeing as it relates to art history.

[Kid Presentable]

i disagree, and i think it's perfectly apt, seeing as it relates to art history.

Then you're being taught an understanding from a prescribed text or series of texts for the greater purpose of a degree or diploma with which you will either earn the money you want, or work in a field you want to, or ideally both.

You learn it too, because you're paying for it. It's being put into context for you.

It's not the same thing as talking about a band on the internet.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

overrated:
The Killers
Justin Timberlake (and any sucky pop musician/band of today)
Pat Benetar
Menudo
New kids on the block.
Donny and Marie, etc...
(sorry, I try to avoid any music made before 1992)


Underrated:
Kill Hannah
Clutch
Turbonegro
Waylon Jennings
Harry Chapin
Him

[ToucanSpam]

Overrated:
White Stripes
Coldplay
The Killers
Bjork
Simple Plan
Green Day (even though they are my favorite band)
Gwen Stephani

Underrated:
Lostprophets
The Trews
Beastie Boys
Silverstein
Alexisonfire
Jessica Simpson (her buisness savvy, and maybe her talent)

[DroppinScience]

Overrated:
Depeche Mode (that's right, i said it.)


Oh, you did NOT say that. :mad:

[King of Rock II]

overrated and underrated just means that you disagree with other people. if you think band A is underrated it just means that they suck and your taste sucks because you like them. i mean, why would your taste be any better than that of the critics or popular opinion or whatever.

[ToucanSpam]

Perception does not equal truth.


I just assume everyone is stating their opinion, you can either agree or disagree. But outright saying 'oh your opinion is worthless' or 'fuck off and die' is pretty stupid. Een if you completely disagree with someone, at least repect.


This after school special was brought to you by Echewta Puffs. They taste galactically delicious!!

[wavin_goodbye]

Then you're being taught an understanding from a prescribed text or series of texts for the greater purpose of a degree or diploma with which you will either earn the money you want, or work in a field you want to, or ideally both.

You learn it too, because you're paying for it. It's being put into context for you.

It's not the same thing as talking about a band on the internet.

what makes you think it's for a degree or diploma?

i guess you don't understand.. you mentioned not knowing what was going on during the time (paraphrase) .. well guess what.. what was going on is related to history. music is an art. ba-zing! it's not rocket science bud..

ps. you have one of the most interesting vocabularies i have ever come across (y)

[Mr Films]

overrated:

coldplay
killers/franz ferdinand/all those crap type bands
avatars

underrated:
INCUBUS

[muddfoot]

Overrated:
Underrated:
Eminem :rolleyes: Your out of your mind

[Kid Presentable]

I'm just wondering how somebody from England could find the Stone Roses underated.

I'm curious what this definition of under-rated is, and how this band fits into it.

That's all...

Actually, I'm also kind of amazed that The Beastie Boys are considered underrated by anybody on this board. For doing everything their own way, they get plenty of love.

[Kid Presentable]

overrated:
avatars


Took a long time to figure out for some reason?

[cosmo105]

overrated:
incubus
nirvana
u2
metallica

underrated:
fishbone
billy joel
cat stevens
van morrison

god, i sound like i'm 50 :o

[cosmo105]

Overrated:
Bjork
did you say this just to piss me off or something? probably. anyway, she's most definitely not overrated. she's just barely on the media's radar. you probably haven't even heard more than one or two of her singles.

[Auton]

overrated: cosmo's mom

[Rancid_Beasties]

Overrated:
The Killers
Jet
The Strokes
Eminem, 50 Cent & just about any other rapper/R&B act nowadays
The Vines
Blink 182, Sum 41, Good Charlotte and Simple Plan
The Datsuns

Underrated:
The Verve
INXS (better than every other 80s band (beastie boys excluded) and if you try to tell me different I will put my hands over my ears and say "lalalalala")
The D4, The Cops, Dallas Crane, Rocket Science
Rancid
De La Soul (seriously they get no love over here)
Sublime
George Clinton (+ parliament and funkadelic)

I could go on but I wont.

[Auton]

Overrated:

CSNY
anything underground hip hop, but above all, SAGE FRANCIS
Incubus
Sublime
Dan the Automator (mostly Lovage)
Jurassic 5
Nirvana
(new) Flaming Lips
Postal Service
A Perfect Circle

Underrated:

Supergrass
Bryan Ferry
Pet Shop Boys
Tom Waits
Tony Bennett
The Detroit Spinners/ The Spinners
(old) Flaming Lips
Roy Orbison
The Bee Gees
Mainstream Hip Hop (some of this stuff is popular for a reason, folks)
Antonio Carlos Jobim

[Rancid_Beasties]

Underrated:Supergrass
The Bee Gees

Most of your list I dont agree with but I'd add both of those to my list (y)

[dave790]

overrated and underrated just means that you disagree with other people. if you think band A is underrated it just means that they suck and your taste sucks because you like them. i mean, why would your taste be any better than that of the critics or popular opinion or whatever.

fuck that, popular opinion? it doesn't enter my thoughts when listening to music. you like what you like, you dislike what you dislike...simple. how can underrated mean that a band 'sucks'? if that's your view, would you like to me tell me what over-rated means? with you're brilliant logic, I guess that means they rule and your tatse in music rules for liking them? no, that wouldn't make a lot of sense now would it (!)

[Tzar]

overrated:
metallica


i'm never gonna be able to convince you otherwise about metallica, ey?
i wouldn't say they are over-rated - they definately have the songs to prove they aren't shit.

when Cliff died, that's when they got thrown into the spotlight. they never planned to make it big. they didn't want to. it just happened and it grew to them.

[wavin_goodbye]

haha! ^ maybe they did just get "thrown into the spotlight" .. but not wanting it? that's a bit of a stretch. this is a band who's drummer is lars ulrich after all... although i do agree that maybe cliff wasn't so interested in fame.


they are definitely overrated - just because there are other metal bands that are as good that don't get shit all. and those bands didn't all of a sudden get shitty either...

[wavin_goodbye]

Underrated:
Tom Waits


hell yeah! (y)

[beastieangel01]

overrated:

metallica
coldplay
U2
the Killers

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

i wouldn't say they are over-rated - they definately have the songs to prove they aren't shit.

I'd have to agree, I dont think Metallica is over rated because thier music (before st. anger) lives up to the praise and hype that they get.
I mean, if you listen to the black album, even and justice for all with One and what not, they definantley deserve to be "over rated"

[Nuzzolese]

Some of you seem to live in a different world from mine, where certain artists are evidently hyped up and others downplayed when I don't see it at all.

Jesus and Mary Chain


Good, but not great.

[cosmo105]

WAAYYY Overrated:
Auton's Ass

[Savage Jimmy]

Overreated:

LED ZEPELIN
the killers
Good Charolett
Simple PLan
most country musicians
50 cent
My Chemical Romance

Underrated:

Rancid
NOFX
Suicidal Tendencies
Dropkick Murphys
The Clash
Slayer
Goldfinger
Misfits
and Tiger Army

[mickill]

Some of these lists are just upsetting me.

I'm not even going to play now. Where's my ball? I'm going home.

[Mr_Complex]

I think most people are rating what bands/artists are overrated/underrated in preference of personal taste.

Padster, the Stone Roses were quality but you can't say they were underrated. Nearly everyone will look at them as the band that kick-started the baggie-era. If they were underrated, you wouldn't hear about them at all and Ian Brown wouldn't be the artist he is now.


Overrated:

Pete Doherty/Libertines/Babyshambles
Feeder

Underrated:

Spoon
Millionaire.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Overreated:

LED ZEPELIN


i disagree with everyone who has said Led Zeppelin, thier one of the greatest bands and Jimmy Page is one of the greatest guitarists of all time.

AND ITS ZEPPELIN!!!



Underrated:

Rancid
NOFX
Dropkick Murphys
The Clash
Slayer
Goldfinger
Misfits


I dont know how you can say those bands are underrated. The Misfits and Goldfinger are 2 of the bands most people who listen to punk refuse to listen to because their waaaayy too over rated.
But they are good, i must admit, and your right, Slayer is way underrated.

[Mr_Complex]

Refused are also underrated when talking about truely great punk bands.

[cosmo105]

^very true.

[mickill]

I think most people are rating what bands/artists are overrated/underrated in preference of personal taste.

Underrated:

Spoon

Yes. See, now we're talking.

I think The Kinks are pretty underrated, but only in relation to their peers, not just generally.

And I think that Radiohead is given way too much credit. They have 2.5 good albums. They'e a good band, but enough already.

[g-mile7]

Overated:

Beasties (thats right I said it)
Most y'all musical opinions with no facts/proof


Underated (on this board espcially):

75% of mainstream hip-hop

[thegoodmrbrodie!]

over:
prince
public enemy
massive attack
under:
part chimp
flying saucer attack
frikateers

[wavin_goodbye]

Overated:

Beasties (thats right I said it)
Most y'all musical opinions with no facts/proof


Underated (on this board espcially):

75% of mainstream hip-hop


it's a bit ironic that you say that, seeing as you come up with a completely random number right after. good going though :rolleyes:

[Extra Cheese]

overrated:

mars volta
super furry animals
red hot chili peppers
the grateful dead
jamiroqai

underrated:
ludacris

[g-mile7]

it's a bit ironic that you say that, seeing as you come up with a completely random number right after. good going though :rolleyes:



the number was an estimate. Theres no fact to it, just like theres no fact to your statment, nice try trying to start shit though, you get an 65% (a D) for trying, hye leats its passing

[g-mile7]

overrated:

mars volta
super furry animals
red hot chili peppers
the grateful dead
jamiroqai

underrated:
ludacris


agreed

[ToucanSpam]

did you say this just to piss me off or something? probably. anyway, she's most definitely not overrated. she's just barely on the media's radar. you probably haven't even heard more than one or two of her singles.
get the fuck over yourself. POS.

The fact that she is 'barely on the media's radar' doesnt mean she isnt talked about all the fuckin time in some places.


Also, I've heard enough of her music to be able to generate an opinion. You can respect it or not, but your word isn't gospel and neither is mine.

[Auton]

add

Overrated:
Bjork (i love bjork, but i really wish folks would just shut the fuck up about her already) sorry cosmo

[cosmo105]

get the fuck over yourself. POS.
haha jesus. calm down.

[cosmo105]

add

Overrated:
Bjork (i love bjork, but i really wish folks would just shut the fuck up about her already) sorry cosmo
huh. i guess the reason i dont' think she's overrated is because i really don't hear people talking about her all that much. weird.

[wavin_goodbye]

the number was an estimate. Theres no fact to it, just like theres no fact to your statment, nice try trying to start shit though, you get an 65% (a D) for trying, hye leats its passing


you clearly get an F for typing and/or spelling.

[wavin_goodbye]

huh. i guess the reason i dont' think she's overrated is because i really don't hear people talking about her all that much. weird.


i don't hear that much about her either..

maybe she's overrated by her fans... ?

[ToucanSpam]

haha jesus. calm down.
youve done this about 4 times now, its pretty sad. Telling me to 'calm down' after you've been told what's what makes you look weak. You wouldnt want your board rep to go downhill would you? :rolleyes:

[cosmo105]

oh ho, you sure told me "what's what." you give dorks a bad name.

norcen: the ramones are NOT underrated, man. not that they weren't good, but people won't shut up about them. i know you live under a rock and all, but good god, man.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

you give dorks a bad name.

I dont think he's a dork, and I think time has taken its toll, your running out of "witty" insults.

[cosmo105]

yeah!

anyway, overrated: misfits. blurrghh.

[ToucanSpam]

I dont think he's a dork, and I think time has taken its toll, your running out of "witty" insults.
Hey now, I know what I am. (!)

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Hey now, I know what I am. (!)

ok, I admit you might be a bit of a dork, but your the good kind (y)
not like the whole pocket protector and tape in between your glasses type.

Btw, I've got a question for you.

[dave790]

Overated:

Beasties (thats right I said it)
Most y'all musical opinions with no facts/proof



surely that's a music opinion (the Beasties being overated that is), and i see no facts or proof...interesting :rolleyes:

[cosmo105]

that's a good point. how could you have "facts" or "proof" that an artist is overrated? this whole thread is opinion, really.

[ToucanSpam]

that's a good point. how could you have "facts" or "proof" that an artist is overrated? this whole thread is opinion, really.
wow its like I said 10 fucking posts ago.

[wavin_goodbye]

overrated:
cosmo
this thread

:p

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

overrated:
cosmo


I agree.



UNDERRATED:

LYNARD SKYNARD (y) (y)

you can throw any of your emo shit at me, any Bjork and anything, and it will NEVER EVER TOP Lynard Skynard and Freebird. (lb)

[DipDipDive]

These lists haven't changed much since I made this thread a year ago.

[Auton]

yeah, freebird sucks.

[dave790]

wow its like I said 10 fucking posts ago.

pointless.

someone's agreeing with you or making the same point, why make a big deal out of it? if i've got a point to make i'll make it, regardless of whether other people feel the same way or have stated the same thing.

dave

[cosmo105]

yeah, freebird sucks.
big time.

there's no "a" in lynrd skynrd.

[rob20]

big time.

there's no "a" in lynrd skynrd.
actually it's Lynyrd Skynyrd :confused:

[cosmo105]

it's their own fault for having such a stupid name :mad:

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

ok whatever, I really dont care what you say Freebird rocks.
Your honestley going to try and tell me that music like Bjork ranks higher then Lynard SKYNYRD? Blow me

(Cosmo shove it, you need to do research to make sure YOUR right before you have the balls to correct someone)

[rob20]

LOL.....I can't wait to see whats next

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

it's their own fault for having such a stupid name :mad:

yeah, your just mad that your wrong

(damnit rob, beat me to it!!)

[cosmo105]

i didn't say anything like that. i just said freebird sucks.

[rob20]

U2 way over rated the rest I don't care about

[Rancid_Beasties]

Overreated:

LED ZEPELIN
the killers
Good Charolett
Simple PLan
most country musicians
50 cent
My Chemical Romance

Underrated:

Rancid
NOFX
Suicidal Tendencies
Dropkick Murphys
The Clash
Slayer
Goldfinger
Misfits
and Tiger Army
Every band on your list except The Clash, Led Zeppelin, NoFX and Rancid are waaaaaay overrated. Misfits suck ass, Goldfinger are alright, but to say they are underrated is rediculous.


Overated:

Beasties (thats right I said it)
Most y'all musical opinions with no facts/proof


Underated (on this board espcially):

75% of mainstream hip-hop

Man, I gotta say I have 0% respect for your musical taste after that post and your next one. Ludicris, I mean, c'mon his career peaked with that song Area codes :p

Since when has ToucanSpam turned evil on Cosmo?? I thought he was like head of her fan club or something :confused:

[thegoodmrbrodie!]

over:
maximo park.
snow patrol.
foo fighters.
under:
gravenhurst.
vetiver.
camille.

[g-mile7]

Every band on your list except The Clash, Led Zeppelin, NoFX and Rancid are waaaaaay overrated. Misfits suck ass, Goldfinger are alright, but to say they are underrated is rediculous.



Man, I gotta say I have 0% respect for your musical taste after that post and your next one. Ludicris, I mean, c'mon his career peaked with that song Area codes :p

Since when has ToucanSpam turned evil on Cosmo?? I thought he was like head of her fan club or something :confused:



o% hahahahaha how can you say that when you dont know SHIT about my muscial taste except one statement. first off I never even mentioned Ludacris(whose a better lyricist then the boys), 2nd off the boys I love their music or else I wouldnt be on this board, but the fact that people hail them like they some sort of lyrical juggernauts is beyond me. Their lyrics are not that advance, they are ok at best MC (compared to a Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Nas, even a 2pac) and most of their songs/singles sound similar in nature. I said they were overated but I didnt explain why which is the downside of this thread. I actaully have legit reason, dont get me wrong they are good at the style they do but over all they are nothing that spectacular in terms of lyricst, they just have a very very orginal style. After all, they are one of the top 10 best saleing rap artist/groups ever.


PS: how can Prince be over rated when: he plays all his own isntruments, writes/composes all his own songs (a rarity in the game right now) and to mention this hadnt had a top saleing CD since the 1990-1991 (a 13 year hitus from the top 10). Its beyond me.

[Mr_Complex]

Overrated:

REM
The White Stripes
Ocean Colour Scene.

Underrated:

!!!
Out Hud
dEUS.

[dave790]

[QUOTE=g-mile7]first off I never even mentioned Ludacris(whose a better lyricist then the boys), 2nd off the boys I love their music or else I wouldnt be on this board, but the fact that people hail them like they some sort of lyrical juggernauts is beyond me. Their lyrics are not that advance, they are ok at best MC (compared to a Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Nas, even a 2pac) and most of their songs/singles sound similar in nature. I said they were overated but I didnt explain why which is the downside of this thread. I actaully have legit reason, dont get me wrong they are good at the style they do but over all they are nothing that spectacular in terms of lyricst, they just have a very very orginal style. After all, they are one of the top 10 best saleing rap artist/groups ever.

[QUOTE]

the Beasties are good lyricists for that reason alone, it's in their own style just like everything else they do. i wouldn't even compare ludacris to the beasties in any way, shape or form...'i'm coming for that number 1 spot', fuck off man!!

the fact they're continually referencing shit that's in some way relevant to them, without a thought to whether people will get it or not is cool to me. Besides, I can't read through the lyrics of say The Update, Bodhisattva Vow or Right Right Now Now without classing them above the majority of modern day 'hip hop', when every other word is bitches, drugs-related or how much of a fucking gangsta so and so is.

You can call that a generalisation, I wouldn't disagree...but thats how a lot of hip hop fans percieve those rappers with their lyrics, and that's something you won't get with the Beasties and their lyrics...generalisation.

I'm always a firm believer that the Beasties can make any lyrics sound good, so maybe i've just been suckered in by that...but the day I see a modern day mainstream rapper (i.e. 50 Cent, Eminem, Ludacris) provide sprawling lyrics close to anything on say, Paul's Boutique, is a day I don't think I'll be seeing.

dave

[Auton]

uhhhh ludacris is a better rapper than the three beastie boys combined. sorry.

[dave790]

mca would take ludacris easy man!!

[Los Para Noias]

overrated:
I agree with bjork, the stripes, and at least yoshimi era lips
post-crooked rain pavement
tommy/who's next
pink floyd
modest mouse
zappa

underrated:
the animal collective
I agree with the kinks compared to their peers
wilco
belle and sebastian
the who sell out
classical music (especially baroque like bach and vivaldi and romantic composers like strauss, beethoven and tchaikovsky)
the blood brothers

For the record, I like most of the bands I call overrated, I just don't think they are worth the hype they get. If I think a band is outright bad, then it's not really overrated, it's just bad?

[Kid Presentable]

uhhhh ludacris is a better rapper than the three beastie boys combined. sorry.

Surprised you came up with that on your own.

A is better than B.

Bananas are better than apples.

Cats are better than dogs.

[Sandinista!]

Overrated:

New Order (yes i like some of their singles. have you ever listened to one of their albums? ugh.)



Burn in hell.

Overrated:
New Music (shit)
Beatles
Doors
Pink Floyd

[Rancid_Beasties]

o% hahahahaha how can you say that when you dont know SHIT about my muscial taste except one statement. first off I never even mentioned Ludacris(whose a better lyricist then the boys),
overrated:

mars volta
super furry animals
red hot chili peppers
the grateful dead
jamiroqai

underrated:
ludacris

agreed

*cough cough*
2nd off the boys I love their music or else I wouldnt be on this board, but the fact that people hail them like they some sort of lyrical juggernauts is beyond me. Their lyrics are not that advance, they are ok at best MC (compared to a Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Nas, even a 2pac) and most of their songs/singles sound similar in nature. I said they were overated but I didnt explain why which is the downside of this thread. I actaully have legit reason, dont get me wrong they are good at the style they do but over all they are nothing that spectacular in terms of lyricst, they just have a very very orginal style. After all, they are one of the top 10 best saleing rap artist/groups ever.

Dude I was just trying to get a rise out of ya, hence the tongue poking thing at the end :D Just because I dont have much respect for your musical taste (you agreed with the guy who said mars volta were overrated...i mean that instantly gets you put in my bad books musically), doesn't mean I dont think you're a top bloke (y). Moving on...I am aware that ludicris, and most mainstream rappers (usually ones that started their career before 2000), are better lyricists than any of the beastie boys. However, to say that the beastie boys are overrated is rediculous. For one, they are not one dimensional like the artists you mentioned above. They are good rappers, good instrumentalists, play a good rock song and have some pretty decent punk songs to throw in the mix. They make excellent albums and have a knack of finding the best producers/dj/and piano players to suit their music. However, to say they are merely good all rounders is unfair. After all they do have probably one of the top 5 hip hop albums of all time in Paul's Boutique. You can claim that that was the result of excellent production all you like but when it comes down to it nobody else could have achieved that sound on that album other than the beastie boys.
PS: how can Prince be over rated when: he plays all his own isntruments, writes/composes all his own songs (a rarity in the game right now) and to mention this hadnt had a top saleing CD since the 1990-1991 (a 13 year hitus from the top 10). Its beyond me.
Prince isn't hip hop?? Hes a singer isn't he?? Anyway I never dissed Prince, I am a fan of his work and if you actually mentioned his name it would have been the only point I agreed with you 100% on :)

[Auton]

Surprised you came up with that on your own.

what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

[Sandinista!]

Prince isn't hip hop?? Hes a singer isn't he?? Anyway I never dissed Prince, I am a fan of his work and if you actually mentioned his name it would have been the only point I agreed with you 100% on :)

Prince isn't hip-hop... if anything he's funk, with a heavy dose of synths :)

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Overrated:
Beatles
Doors
Pink Floyd

what are you on??
seriousley here, im laughing because of this little comment, but inside im crying..

I think you need help. :confused:

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Well, he's right two for three.

The Beatles, maybe, but I dont think so because their songs live up to thier hype.
theres NO way in hell that Pink Floyd is over rated, thier hype will NEVER live up to the greatness of thier music.
You could never pull off Dark side of the moon today, its just too increadible of an album.

[Los Para Noias]

I think every album meddle to the wall ranges from good to amazing, but they are still pretty overrated. Just when it gets down to it, they don't have great replay value.

[cosmo105]

yeah, i think PF's overrated. i appreciate them and all, but they're not gods.

[wavin_goodbye]

I was referring to the Doors and Pink Floyd.


:confused: :confused:
if anything, the beatles are the most overrated group ever...

[cosmo105]

i don't see how people can say that. the beatles overrated? i think they deserve all their praise. seriously. but that's just my opinion :)

[ToucanSpam]

I am starting to believe Gwen Stephani is overrated.

[Sandinista!]

Beatles- Dull boy band.
Doors- Tawdry clowns whose fame arises due to their attention-whore frontman.
Pink Floyd- Insipid stoner meanderings.

[BOBBY DIGITAL]

yeah, i think PF's overrated. i appreciate them and all, but they're not gods.


How dare you!?!?!?! The band as a whole are not godly, but don't be talkin shit on Roger.

[Auton]

UHNNN!

[icy manipulator]

Oh yeah...

Highly Overrated: Rage Against the Machines

dude, WTF!?!

i'm gonna kill you

[BOBBY DIGITAL]

underrated:
INCUBUS


gay.


Cosmo..........Boston..............overrated...... ...what the fuck? :confused:

[cosmo105]

Boston = just a lot of producing. it's okay, but not fantastic.

to be fair, i haven't heard enough of Pink Floyd to make a real judgement. this is only based on the few albums i have heard.


yeah, Incubus is superhomo.

[HEIRESS]

Over:
Greenday
2Pac

[Sandinista!]

New Order (yes i like some of their singles. have you ever listened to one of their albums? ugh.)


This infidel has yet to hear Technique.

[EN[i]GMA]

Overated:

U2. They suck, at least nowadays, and they were never worth the hype they got.

Kool Keith. He is. Aside from Octagon and his stuff with Ultramagnetic, he's been subpar. Not worth the praise he gets.

John Coltrane and Miles Davis. They're boring.

Moby. Play was good, but aside from that, he is largely boring and sucky.


Underated:

Non Phixion. They're good.

Necro. He's a good producer, and deserves some recognition.

[Auton]

overrated:
jedi mind tricks, or rather, the album Violent by Design. Backpacker, underground bullshit with (mostly) good production and horrible rapping.

I love Mr. Lif's verse on Speech Cobras though

[EN[i]GMA]

overrated:
jedi mind tricks, or rather, the album Violent by Design. Backpacker, underground bullshit with (mostly) good production and horrible rapping.

Eh.

I like it, but yeah, I would have to say it's overated.

[Sandinista!]

GMA']Overated:

U2. They suck, at least nowadays, and they were never worth the hype they got.

John Coltrane and Miles Davis. They're boring.

Moby. Play was good, but aside from that, he is largely boring and sucky.



U2: Shit in handbasket, dull as an inflatable wife in a whorehouse.

Coltrane and Davis: Meh.

Moby: Just another new cunt, unworthy of any note.

[thegoodmrbrodie!]

over:
stereolab
under:
saloon

[Tzar]

someone said Tupac was over-rated.
i agree.

[Tzar]

haha! ^ maybe they did just get "thrown into the spotlight" .. but not wanting it? that's a bit of a stretch. this is a band who's drummer is lars ulrich after all... although i do agree that maybe cliff wasn't so interested in fame.


they are definitely overrated - just because there are other metal bands that are as good that don't get shit all. and those bands didn't all of a sudden get shitty either...

i agree. Lars did sorta want the rich and famous lifestyle more than the rest of the boys. Kirk and James (back in the day) weren't totally interested - they just wanted to play some music to their fans. Cliff was totally aposed to fame. watch Cliff 'em All and you'll see what i'm saying.

there are other good metal bands out there, of course, but they're usually under the 'death metal' or 'thrash speed metal' category. MTV and all those poppy music associations won't touch 'em because it won't be good for ratings or what have you - 12 year olds are too scared to listen to some Slayer :p.

about them getting shitty all of a sudden. the only real shit work they did was St. Anger. Load-Reload were really different; for good or bad reasons? - who knows? but they weren't overrated when they wrote Master of Puppets.

i'll also admit they've gone to the poppy side ever since TBA. the money side of things has definately got to them. i saw a list somewhere on some US money/business website. they were like the 4th richest US based music group at the moment and 26th richest celebrity entity on earth (actors/directors and muso's combined)?? that's fucking unbelievable. but i still love their work.

IMO: 'kill em all' to 'and justice' = not overrated
everything else could be arguable.

[Auton]

yeah, "and justice for all" is a great album (y)

[ToucanSpam]

I like to think Master of Puppets is their best. Would you say it is overrated though?

[Auton]

yeah it's overrated

[Tzar]

i won't say it's overrated if we're talking about JUST metallica - how can their best work be overrated.

but in the universal music world; i dunno. besides the real classic old metal, what stuff at the time could better it? i'm seriously asking for some opinionated examples?

[wavin_goodbye]

i agree. Lars did sorta want the rich and famous lifestyle more than the rest of the boys. Kirk and James (back in the day) weren't totally interested - they just wanted to play some music to their fans. Cliff was totally aposed to fame. watch Cliff 'em All and you'll see what i'm saying.

there are other good metal bands out there, of course, but they're usually under the 'death metal' or 'thrash speed metal' category. MTV and all those poppy music associations won't touch 'em because it won't be good for ratings or what have you - 12 year olds are too scared to listen to some Slayer :p.

about them getting shitty all of a sudden. the only real shit work they did was St. Anger. Load-Reload were really different; for good or bad reasons? - who knows? but they weren't overrated when they wrote Master of Puppets.

i'll also admit they've gone to the poppy side ever since TBA. the money side of things has definately got to them. i saw a list somewhere on some US money/business website. they were like the 4th richest US based music group at the moment and 26th richest celebrity entity on earth (actors/directors and muso's combined)?? that's fucking unbelievable. but i still love their work.

IMO: 'kill em all' to 'and justice' = not overrated
everything else could be arguable.


i must say this was a very good post.. i was expecting to get shat on ...


as for other bands.. i'm not saying that they're better.. but bands like pantera, antrax, slayer, exodus, etc.. never got the attention that metallica did

[Tzar]

as for other bands.. i'm not saying that they're better.. but bands like pantera, antrax, slayer, exodus, etc.. never got the attention that metallica did

oh yeah i agree 100%. it's a shame but its also kinda good cause they've stayed on their track if you will. they never changed their style as much as 'Tallica did.

[DroppinScience]

Overrated:

Motley Crue (why oh why did they need to reunite?)

Underrated:

Ryan Adams

[YoungRemy]

anyone who says Zeppelin is overrated should see their physician regarding the tumor eating away at their brain, clearly they are delusional...

[Ferdinand_2]

Then,¿What's theme of this thread?

[Tzar]

overrated:
delta goodrem

why cant she fuck off.

[zorra_chiflada]

overrated:
delta goodrem

why cant she fuck off.

what? she isn't dead?

[Tzar]

what? she isn't dead?

c'mon dude...

she's all over everything - you didn't know she's still performing.
only like 2000 tickets were bought for concert over here. i laughed when i read that.

[zorra_chiflada]

c'mon dude...

she's all over everything - you didn't know she's still performing.
only like 2000 tickets were bought for concert over here. i laughed when i read that.

she has a concert in hobart! haha! it'll sell about 100 tickets!

[Tzar]

yeah, then you can, like, laugh in her face.

[g-mile7]

*cough cough*


Dude I was just trying to get a rise out of ya, hence the tongue poking thing at the end :D Just because I dont have much respect for your musical taste (you agreed with the guy who said mars volta were overrated...i mean that instantly gets you put in my bad books musically), doesn't mean I dont think you're a top bloke (y). Moving on...I am aware that ludicris, and most mainstream rappers (usually ones that started their career before 2000), are better lyricists than any of the beastie boys. However, to say that the beastie boys are overrated is rediculous. For one, they are not one dimensional like the artists you mentioned above. They are good rappers, good instrumentalists, play a good rock song and have some pretty decent punk songs to throw in the mix. They make excellent albums and have a knack of finding the best producers/dj/and piano players to suit their music. However, to say they are merely good all rounders is unfair. After all they do have probably one of the top 5 hip hop albums of all time in Paul's Boutique. You can claim that that was the result of excellent production all you like but when it comes down to it nobody else could have achieved that sound on that album other than the beastie boys.

Prince isn't hip hop?? Hes a singer isn't he?? Anyway I never dissed Prince, I am a fan of his work and if you actually mentioned his name it would have been the only point I agreed with you 100% on :)



the cough cough how you know I was refering to Luda hahahaha, 2nd I was talking bout Prince as a seperate topic since someone else mentioned him this list of underated/overated isnt just pertaining to hip-hop

[HEIRESS]

someone said Tupac was over-rated.
i agree.

that would be me sir

[g-mile7]

that would be me sir


Why/How?

hahahahaha y'all just dont understand! But then again I dont have time to argue for Pac, you find him overated cool then, but tell that to the million of fans round the world he has and him ebing the top saleing hip-hop artist of all time as well as one of the more verstile of rappers.


Underated:

2pac (to an extent keyword dont get hyped up)

Overated:

a good portion of underground rap

[cosmo105]

but tell that to the million of fans round the world he has and him ebing the top saleing hip-hop artist of all time

exactly. overrated.

[beastieangel01]

Underrated:
Bill Withers

[g-mile7]

exactly. overrated.


ok then (lb) whatever y'all have your taste, most of it cant be backed up with legitmate arguments but....whatever Im not trying to debate something I know I could debate for days and still not conivnce people that maybe......just maybe your thoughts are lacking

[g-mile7]

overated: Why by Jadakiss fet Anthony Hamilton

underated: Questions Common fet Mos Def (simlar songs but this one came out 3-4 years earlier and is the same style/make of Why)

[DroppinScience]

I've thought of another one...

Overrated:

AC/DC (sure, they have awesome hard-rocking anthems and "Back In Black"/"Highway To Hell"/"For Those About To Rock (We Salute You)" are classic albums, but I think they're overplayed... especially at the stadiums with the yahoo sports fans)

[ToucanSpam]

Overrated: DroppinScience's opinion :p

[DroppinScience]

Overrated: DroppinScience's opinion :p

Underrated: Me kicking ToucanSpam's ass! :D

[Tzar]

AC/DC (sure, they have awesome hard-rocking anthems and "Back In Black"/"Highway To Hell"/"For Those About To Rock (We Salute You)" are classic albums, but I think they're overplayed... especially at the stadiums with the yahoo sports fans)

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
overplayed? yes
overrated? NO NO!! they're the greatest hard rock and roll band ever. and ever and ever.

[Kid Presentable]

I've thought of another one...

Overrated:

AC/DC (sure, they have awesome hard-rocking anthems and "Back In Black"/"Highway To Hell"/"For Those About To Rock (We Salute You)" are classic albums, but I think they're overplayed... especially at the stadiums with the yahoo sports fans)
:mad:

[zorra_chiflada]

I've thought of another one...

Overrated:

AC/DC (sure, they have awesome hard-rocking anthems and "Back In Black"/"Highway To Hell"/"For Those About To Rock (We Salute You)" are classic albums, but I think they're overplayed... especially at the stadiums with the yahoo sports fans)

yeah, you just insulted every australian on the board.

[Sandinista!]

AC/DC: "If you want similar-sounding sounds, you've got it"

[zorra_chiflada]

AC/DC: "If you want similar-sounding sounds, you've got it"
that's pretty much the rule with most bands - groups like the beastie boys are the exception

[Sandinista!]

that's pretty much the rule with most bands - groups like the beastie boys are the exception

AC/DC takes the whole "stick to a template" ideal to the extreme.

[EN[i]GMA]

One of the members of AC/DC was asked what it was like producing 12 albums that all sounded the same.

His response was: 13

[cosmo105]

^hahahah!


overrated: Bright Eyes (i like him, he's great, but i remember once jim compared him to Bob Dylan and it was like aww heeaaallls naw)

underrated: Rufus Wainwright (I'M SEEING HIM W/ BEN FOLDS SQUEE!)

[thegoodmrbrodie!]

over: bright eyes, rufus wainwright :)
under: m. ward, hayden

[cosmo105]

pbbtth :P

i dig M. Ward. he puts on a good show.

i still have yet to hear Hayden. one of my close friends is named Hayden and has been trying to start a music career for years...but it's kind of difficult for him what with his name and all.

[Mr_Complex]

Over:

Anthony and the Johnsons.

[Tzar]

AC/DC takes the whole "stick to a template" ideal to the extreme.
what's wrong with that though? i'd rather they keep playing the music they (and their fans *cough the australian population*) love.

most pre-'89 bands do the same, yeah??

[DroppinScience]

what's wrong with that though? i'd rather they keep playing the music they (and their fans *cough the australian population*) love.

most pre-'89 bands do the same, yeah??

Generally, it's better if bands evolve and try to change (if not radically alter) their typical sound.

Having said that, there are a handful of bands who are great at making the same songs over and over. Ramones, for sure. AC/DC is also good at this (within their first decade of existence), but they reached a point where they should've packed it up a long time ago. It's like: "Okay, I get it. You like rocking out and doing it with girls. Enough."

[Kid Presentable]

Generally, it's better if bands evolve and try to change (if not radically alter) their typical sound.

Having said that, there are a handful of bands who are great at making the same songs over and over. Ramones, for sure. AC/DC is also good at this (within their first decade of existence), but they reached a point where they should've packed it up a long time ago. It's like: "Okay, I get it. You like rocking out and doing it with girls. Enough."

You're such a prude...

[DroppinScience]

You're such a prude...

So it's prude to think that "Stiff Upper Lip" and "Satellite Blues" were lame as all hell? :rolleyes:

[Kid Presentable]

So it's prude to think that "Stiff Upper Lip" and "Satellite Blues" were lame as all hell? :rolleyes:

Go pose on a park bench...

It's just music..Probably overrated...See? I agree..

[DroppinScience]

Go pose on a park bench...

It's just music..Probably overrated...See? I agree..

Then why be such a dick about it?

[Sandinista!]

what's wrong with that though? i'd rather they keep playing the music they (and their fans *cough the australian population*) love.

most pre-'89 bands do the same, yeah??

Rehashing the sound is lame; replaying the same lovable tunes at concerts might be a blast, but releasing record after record of the same old jazz can be trite. People will say "The hell? Didn't I pay for this song already?"

And no, they don't. Look at The Clash, Cure, Beasties, Sabbath, Zeppelin,etc ; they were always doing something interesting at every turn. They preserved their essence without stagnating in repetition.

[Tzar]

Rehashing the sound is lame; replaying the same lovable tunes at concerts might be a blast, but releasing record after record of the same old jazz can be trite. People will say "The hell? Didn't I pay for this song already?"

And no, they don't. Look at The Clash, Cure, Beasties, Sabbath, Zeppelin,etc ; they were always doing something interesting at every turn. They preserved their essence without stagnating in repetition.

i suppose you could add Metallica to that list :cool:
Kill 'em All compared to ReLoad - different as fuck.

Could it be that AccaDacca never changed their style because no one admitted this (same old jazz) back in the day or had the balls to say it at the time?

They were so big and awesome back in the day, people musta thought "who cares!? it's acca dacca!! let's headbang and drink beer!"

keh?

[DroppinScience]

Acca Dacca? :confused:

[Tzar]

Acca Dacca? :confused:

:eek:
*slaps DS in the back of the head*
it's aussie slang for AC/DC. like shazza is for sharon.

i dunno if anywhere else uses acca dacca though.

[DroppinScience]

:eek:
*slaps DS in the back of the head*
it's aussie slang for AC/DC. like shazza is for sharon.

i dunno if anywhere else uses acca dacca though.

Nobody 'round here ever calls 'em Acca Dacca. :eek:

For a sec, I thought you were trying to talk about ABBA. :p

[Sandinista!]

i suppose you could add Metallica to that list :cool:
Kill 'em All compared to ReLoad - different as fuck.

Could it be that AccaDacca never changed their style because no one admitted this (same old jazz) back in the day or had the balls to say it at the time?

They were so big and awesome back in the day, people musta thought "who cares!? it's acca dacca!! let's headbang and drink beer!"

keh?

I never liked Metallicrap, truth be told.

[Sandinista!]

Nobody 'round here ever calls 'em Acca Dacca. :eek:

For a sec, I thought you were trying to talk about ABBA. :p

Don't fuck with ABBA, BreakinWindows.

Don't fuck with ABBA at all.

[pass_the_mic]

over: diana ross
alicia keys
joss stone
my chemical romance
green day
tori amos

under:
le tigre
ryan adams
wilco
david brent

[Tzar]

I never liked Metallicrap, truth be told.

agree to disagree.

ok i've had enough of this thread.

i'm out, suckas.

[Sandinista!]

agree to disagree.


Sure, why not.

I too am out.

[zorra_chiflada]

Don't fuck with ABBA, BreakinWindows.

Don't fuck with ABBA at all.

haha! abba are seriously the worst band ever. no joke. they are the worst

[Auton]

abba's great. easily one of the best pop groups in existence.

oh, and wilco is overrated, to whoever stated the opposite

[Tzar]

haha! abba are seriously the worst band ever. no joke. they are the worst
sorry this had to bring me back.

is sandinista seriously saying he'd rather listen to 'mumma mia' than 'orion'?

that's pretty....gay almost.

[Lex Diamonds]

I never liked Metallicrap, truth be told.
You actually like Abba. That's just sad.

[cosmo105]

abba's great. easily one of the best pop groups in existence.

oh, and wilco is overrated, to whoever stated the opposite
you are so dead

[Sandinista!]

If Erasure and Information Society can dig ABBA, so can I.

[Auton]

yeah, pretty much anyone who's not terrified to be labeled as someone who enjoys *gasp* pop music likes abba. even elvis costello goes on for years about how much he loves them.

[cosmo105]

by the way, i in no way meant that i'm not down with abba. big ups to swedes. but as far as the wilco comment, you = ex-parrot.

[Medellia]

anyone who says Zeppelin is overrated should see their physician regarding the tumor eating away at their brain, clearly they are delusional...
They are though. There are other bands that have had a huge influence on not only Zeppelin but rick music as a whole who don't get even close to the attention they deserve. Listen to the Small Faces or Humble Pie. Robert Plant owes Steve Marriott a huge debt in the vocal department.

That said, just because a band is overrated doesn't mean they are necessarilly bad. Some are, some aren't. For example, my favorite band is The Jam, and even though they are extremely underrated in the commercial aspect, they are somewhat (somewhat though. there are plenty of bands who are far more overrated than them) overrated critically. Doesn't mean I don't like them. Doesn't make them bad.

[Calimero jr.]

Underrated:

Frank Zappa, Sebadoh, Ween, Ride, Man Or Astroman ?, Motorpsycho, Therapy ?.....

Overrated:

Placebo, Muse...

[HEIRESS]

If my underrated list wasnt potentially so long and I had the time to type it out then Ween would definately be on there

[cosmo105]

der ner ner ner ner ner ner ner ner ner ner ner ner ner



AIDS

[beastieangel01]

Overrated:

Muse...

yeah I like the music but they are not THAT great.

Also, Linkin Park (although most of you don't like them anyway, which is a good thing). Peter Frampton.

[cosmo105]

yeah, i hate Muse. it always depresses me when someone i know says something about how great they are or something. it's like telling me you fuck kitties, man. like, come on. things were going so great, and i thought you were so cool, and then...aww, man. :(

[beastieangel01]

Well I wouldn't say I hate Muse, I do enjoy some of the songs. But they are not the greatest thing since sliced bread, despite the fact people rave about them like they are.

I say average.

[Rancid_Beasties]

the cough cough how you know I was refering to Luda hahahaha, 2nd I was talking bout Prince as a seperate topic since someone else mentioned him this list of underated/overated isnt just pertaining to hip-hop
You highlighted ludicris in your original reply to the post http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=920666&postcount=57 :p
I get your second reference now (y)

Add to my Overrated the Kaiser Chiefs...kinda meh but they get hyped alot here. When I figured out the lyrics to that song "I predict a riot" wasn't really "I've got tourette's" but "I predict a riot", the song kinda lost a bit of its lustre :o

[Calimero jr.]

der ner ner ner ner ner ner ner ner ner ner ner ner ner



AIDS

Weird, sometimes I still feel uncomfortable when listening to that song....:o :o

I really think that no one except Ween would have ever dared to make such a song and put it on an album ;)

[Mr. Boomin'Granny]

overrated:
the bands i dont really like

underrated:
all the bands i like

[steve-onpoint]

Underrated:

The Hearse - Kool Keith, Undertakerz

I see the night, the moment, for the reason of the crying
For the dying I feel belief in what we all be trying
I see the night, the moment for the reason of the cryin
Of dyin, I feel that we be all tryin

[boys_beastie]

overrated:
radiohead
nirvana
sonic youth
arcade fire


underrated:
olivia tremor control
neutral milk hotel
fiery furnaces
broken social scene
architecture in helsinki

sonic youth are pretty good. neutral milk cafe suck..ass

[mate_spawn_die]

static age by the misfits is underated. i think it's
one of the best punk LPs ever released

perhaps it isn't underated... but albums like damaged
and nevermind the bollocks get mentioned way more
and i don't think they can touch the genius of static
age

edit: i didn't realise that i ripped this thread off (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=87355&highlight=overrated)
the name is almost exactly the same too...