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valvano
07-13-2005, 11:25 AM
you libs don't want to f with this guy, he's beat you so many times

http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006955

REVIEW & OUTLOOK

Karl Rove, Whistleblower
He told the truth about Joe Wilson.

Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

Democrats and most of the Beltway press corps are baying for Karl Rove's head over his role in exposing a case of CIA nepotism involving Joe Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame. On the contrary, we'd say the White House political guru deserves a prize--perhaps the next iteration of the "Truth-Telling" award that The Nation magazine bestowed upon Mr. Wilson before the Senate Intelligence Committee exposed him as a fraud.

For Mr. Rove is turning out to be the real "whistleblower" in this whole sorry pseudo-scandal. He's the one who warned Time's Matthew Cooper and other reporters to be wary of Mr. Wilson's credibility. He's the one who told the press the truth that Mr. Wilson had been recommended for the CIA consulting gig by his wife, not by Vice President Dick Cheney as Mr. Wilson was asserting on the airwaves. In short, Mr. Rove provided important background so Americans could understand that Mr. Wilson wasn't a whistleblower but was a partisan trying to discredit the Iraq War in an election campaign. Thank you, Mr. Rove.

Media chants aside, there's no evidence that Mr. Rove broke any laws in telling reporters that Ms. Plame may have played a role in her husband's selection for a 2002 mission to investigate reports that Iraq was seeking uranium ore in Niger. To be prosecuted under the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act, Mr. Rove would had to have deliberately and maliciously exposed Ms. Plame knowing that she was an undercover agent and using information he'd obtained in an official capacity. But it appears Mr. Rove didn't even know Ms. Plame's name and had only heard about her work at Langley from other journalists.

On the "no underlying crime" point, moreover, no less than the New York Times and Washington Post now agree. So do the 36 major news organizations that filed a legal brief in March aimed at keeping Mr. Cooper and the New York Times's Judith Miller out of jail.

"While an investigation of the leak was justified, it is far from clear--at least on the public record--that a crime took place," the Post noted the other day. Granted the media have come a bit late to this understanding, and then only to protect their own, but the logic of their argument is that Mr. Rove did nothing wrong either.





The same can't be said for Mr. Wilson, who first "outed" himself as a CIA consultant in a melodramatic New York Times op-ed in July 2003. At the time he claimed to have thoroughly debunked the Iraq-Niger yellowcake uranium connection that President Bush had mentioned in his now famous "16 words" on the subject in that year's State of the Union address.
Mr. Wilson also vehemently denied it when columnist Robert Novak first reported that his wife had played a role in selecting him for the Niger mission. He promptly signed up as adviser to the Kerry campaign and was feted almost everywhere in the media, including repeat appearances on NBC's "Meet the Press" and a photo spread (with Valerie) in Vanity Fair.

But his day in the political sun was short-lived. The bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report last July cited the note that Ms. Plame had sent recommending her husband for the Niger mission. "Interviews and documents provided to the Committee indicate that his wife, a CPD [Counterproliferation Division] employee, suggested his name for the trip," said the report.

The same bipartisan report also pointed out that the forged documents Mr. Wilson claimed to have discredited hadn't even entered intelligence channels until eight months after his trip. And it said the CIA interpreted the information he provided in his debrief as mildly supportive of the suspicion that Iraq had been seeking uranium in Niger.

About the same time, another inquiry headed by Britain's Lord Butler delivered its own verdict on the 16 words: "We conclude also that the statement in President Bush's State of the Union Address of 28 January 2003 that 'The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa' was well-founded."

In short, Joe Wilson hadn't told the truth about what he'd discovered in Africa, how he'd discovered it, what he'd told the CIA about it, or even why he was sent on the mission. The media and the Kerry campaign promptly abandoned him, though the former never did give as much prominence to his debunking as they did to his original accusations. But if anyone can remember another public figure so entirely and thoroughly discredited, let us know.





If there's any scandal at all here, it is that this entire episode has been allowed to waste so much government time and media attention, not to mention inspire a "special counsel" probe. The Bush Administration is also guilty on this count, since it went along with the appointment of prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald in an election year in order to punt the issue down the road. But now Mr. Fitzgerald has become an unguided missile, holding reporters in contempt for not disclosing their sources even as it becomes clearer all the time that no underlying crime was at issue.
As for the press corps, rather than calling for Mr. Rove to be fired, they ought to be grateful to him for telling the truth.

Qdrop
07-13-2005, 11:46 AM
and interesting spin by the republicans...

i guess time will tell if Rove's mention of the CIA undercover agent was truly an ignorant slip with no malice intended against her safety...
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or if it was an intentional and political "shot over the bow" to Joe Wilson and other would be anti-war politico activists (aka: treason).

it would seem extremley stupid of Rove to give out such information to a newsreporter if he knew it can and would be considered treasonous...and can and would likely be traced back to him.
he seems too cautious for that...
unless he had complete faith in his stature and connections that he could NEVER be taken down...

Echewta
07-13-2005, 11:47 AM
Some of the dems and critics of Rove came out swinging way to early on this one, only to probably look like fools later. Let the investigation continue and wait for some harder evidence.

I don't care for Rove but grill him on something that is credable.

Documad
07-13-2005, 11:55 AM
:D That's hilarious! If that's all they've got . . . .

You would think that if Rove saw something terribly wrong in the US Government he would have had some other means to do something about it! Without committing treason, I mean. It's funny he never had the opportunity to express his concern to the president, for instance.

A whistleblower is someone with less power in an organization who sees something illegal and then tattles on his/her superiors. I don't think the most powerful person in the current administration can be a whistleblower. Nice try though.

D_Raay
07-13-2005, 12:17 PM
That is completely ridiculous. The facts are skewed or sorted to serve the article's purpose. The Niger documents were forgeries. Yes read it again val. They were FORGED. That fact renders this entire article baseless.

The forgery of the Niger government documents on Iraqi-Nigerien contacts. Those documents first surfaced in Italy and have been tied to a veteran cell of Iran-contra players, one of whom has a very close relationship with Karl Rove -- an individual who has always maintained close contacts with the Italian neo-fascist elements, the same players who forged the Niger documents and who are now under criminal investigation in Italy for running a parallel intelligence network in Italy and the Middle East and North Africa, including Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Niger, and Chad.

The word is that special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has more than the Plame leak on his hands -- that his investigation now encompasses the criminal investigation of the Niger document forgeries and AIPACgate.

D_Raay
07-13-2005, 12:21 PM
Taken from White House briefing with Scott McLellan:

Q No, you're not finishing -- you're not saying anything. You stood at that podium and said that Karl Rove was not involved. And now we find out that he spoke out about Joseph Wilson's wife. So don't you owe the American public a fuller explanation? Was he involved, or was he not? Because, contrary to what you told the American people, he did, indeed, talk about his wife, didn't he?

MR. McCLELLAN: David, there will be a time to talk about this, but now is not the time to talk about it.

Q Do you think people will accept that, what you're saying today?

MR. McCLELLAN: Again, I've responded to the question.

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I guess to the White House, "Fuck off" is a valid response.

Really sounds like they have nothing to hide huh? What was that prick on Fox News, er Gibson I think, going on about giving Rove a medal for outing Plame?
Yeah it really sounds like he is in line for a medal. Then again Tenet got his for being incompetent, Rice got promoted for ignoring a memo. Maybe in the Bush house you get a medal for being the biggest screw up.

valvano
07-13-2005, 12:24 PM
wait a year, the White House response will magically show up sitting on a table there.....ala Hilary

:D

D_Raay
07-13-2005, 12:44 PM
Your reply makes no sense. There ARE indeed facts in this case.

White House spin-meisters have attempted, for two years, to create a fog of confusion and disinformation about the exposure of the wife of former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson, Valerie Plame, as a CIA officer, in a syndicated column by Robert Novak, the essential facts of the case are straightforward and undisputed.

1. In February 2002, former Ambassador Wilson was dispatched to Niger by the CIA, to assess raw intelligence reports, received by the Bush Administration from Italian government sources, that in the 1990s, Saddam Hussein had attempted to purchase large quantities of "yellowcake" uranium compound, for the purpose of building nuclear bombs. The Wilson mission was provoked by a request from Vice President Cheney, who was keen to have the information corroborated, as it would bolster the case for war on Iraq. Cheney directed his CIA briefer to seek confirmation of the information, and the CIA then decided to send someone to Niger to pursue the story.

Wilson had served as a diplomat in Niger, and later as the head of African Affairs at the National Security Council; and was the last American chargé d'affairs in Baghdad, just prior to Operation Desert Storm in 1991.
(Hence he was highly qualified for such a mission)

At the conclusion of his eight-day fact-finding mission, Wilson reported back to both the State Department and the CIA that, based on a dozen interviews with current and former Niger government officials and businessmen involved in the country's tightly regulated uranium industry, he concluded that the story was false.
2. Despite his findings—which were buttressed by similar reports from the U.S. Ambassador in Niger and from a Marine general who had been dispatched on a parallel mission by the Pentagon—in September 2002, the Bush Administration and the British government of Tony Blair claimed publicly that Saddam had attempted to purchase large quantities of uranium from Africa.

On Dec. 19, 2002, in response to Iraqi government written disclosures about their weapons programs, the U.S. State Department issued a fact sheet, asserting that Saddam had covered up efforts to obtain 500 tons of yellowcake from Niger, in his UN disclosures.

In his January 2003 State of the Union address, President Bush, citing British intelligence reports, claimed that Iraq had attempted to obtain uranium from Africa.
3. On the eve of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, on March 7, 2003, Dr. Mohammed ElBaradei, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), testified before the United Nations Security Council. Dr. ElBaradei not only reported that his inspectors in Iraq had found no evidence of any illegal nuclear weapons program; his staff had also determined that the alleged Niger government "yellowcake" documents were shoddy forgeries.

4. The next day, March 8, 2003, Joseph Wilson appeared on CNN, and stated, "I think it's safe to say that the U.S. government should have or did know that this report was a fake before Dr. ElBaradei mentioned it in his report at the UN yesterday." Wilson made no mention of his Niger fact-finding mission.

5. Within days of Wilson's appearance on CNN, a meeting took place in the Office of Dick Cheney, to review the Wilson statements, and work up a dossier on the former Ambassador.

6. On May 6, 2003, Nicholas Kristof wrote a New York Times column, "Missing In Action: Truth," which revealed the existence of the CIA fact-finding mission to Niger in February 2002, without mentioning Wilson's name.

7. On July 6, 2003, Wilson wrote an op-ed, "What I Didn't Find in Africa," which was published in the New York Times, detailing his mission to Niger, and identifying Cheney as the source of the query to the CIA that led to his mission. Wilson asked: "Did the Bush Administration manipulate intelligence about Saddam Hussein's weapons program to justify an invasion of Iraq?"

8. On July 14, 2003, Chicago Sun-Times syndicated columnist Robert Novak wrote a widely published article, exposing Ambassador Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA officer, involved in tracking weapons of mass destruction. The Novak column aimed to discredit Wilson, by charging that he was sent to Niger only because his wife recommended him for the assignment. Novak quoted several "senior Administration officials" as his sources.

According to a report in the Washington Post on Sept. 28, 2003, when Novak called a CIA official, to alert him in advance that he planned to "out" Valerie Plame as a CIA officer, the official urged him not to print it "for security reasons." In the Post article, Novak acknowledged that the CIA had specifically asked him not to name her. "They said it's doubtful she'll ever again have a foreign assignment," he admitted.

Under the Intelligence Identity Protection Act of 1982, it is a Federal crime, punishable by a fine and up to ten years in prison, to knowingly disclose the identity of a U.S. undercover operative. Under other far broader Federal statutes, it is a crime to disclose classified information, damaging to the national security.

9. Presidential Advisor Karl Rove was deeply implicated from the outset. While there is no public evidence to date that Rove personally contacted Novak to specifically reveal Plame's identity, several journalists have reported that they were contacted by Rove, soon after the publication of the Novak leak, and were told that "Joe Wilson's wife is fair game." At least six journalists, including Novak, were contacted by Rove and encouraged to target Wilson and Plame.

10. Independent Counsel Fitzgerald has also identified "Scooter" Libby as another "senior Administration official" who contacted journalists and discussed the Wilson/Plame issue, both before and after the appearance of the Novak column.

John Dean, Richard Nixon's White House General Counsel, has denounced the Wilson-Plame affair as "worse than Watergate." He is right. Not only did the Novak column, orchestrated from the White House, end Valerie Plame's 20-year career as a CIA "non-official cover" officer. The leak also exposed a longstanding CIA proprietary company, Brewster Jennings & Associates, where Plame worked. The Boston- and Washington-based front company had, since 1994, been tracking weapons of mass destruction, through a network of agents and correspondents in a such dangerous places as Iran, North Korea, Belarus, Israel, Pakistan, Libya, Serbia and Taiwan.

Qdrop
07-13-2005, 01:03 PM
5. Within days of Wilson's appearance on CNN, a meeting took place in the Office of Dick Cheney, to review the Wilson statements, and work up a dossier on the former Ambassador. how do we know this?


8. On July 14, 2003, Chicago Sun-Times syndicated columnist Robert Novak wrote a widely published article, exposing Ambassador Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA officer, involved in tracking weapons of mass destruction. The Novak column aimed to discredit Wilson, by charging that he was sent to Niger only because his wife recommended him for the assignment. Novak quoted several "senior Administration officials" as his sources.

According to a report in the Washington Post on Sept. 28, 2003, when Novak called a CIA official, to alert him in advance that he planned to "out" Valerie Plame as a CIA officer, the official urged him not to print it "for security reasons." In the Post article, Novak acknowledged that the CIA had specifically asked him not to name her. "They said it's doubtful she'll ever again have a foreign assignment," he admitted. is Novak being charged for violation of the Intelligence Identity Protection Act of 1982?
and what about Cooper?


9. Presidential Advisor Karl Rove was deeply implicated from the outset. While there is no public evidence to date that Rove personally contacted Novak to specifically reveal Plame's identity, several journalists have reported that they were contacted by Rove, soon after the publication of the Novak leak, and were told that "Joe Wilson's wife is fair game." At least six journalists, including Novak, were contacted by Rove and encouraged to target Wilson and Plame. isn't this heresay, though?
i wouldn't doubt it...but how do you prove this?


is there a smoking gun linking Rove?
can there be?

valvano
07-13-2005, 01:44 PM
how do we know this?


?

because he read it at the Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream website........
:D :D

yeahwho
07-13-2005, 02:05 PM
In a less flawed world, in a Washington with less bitter partisanship, here's how I imagine it would work out.

Karl Rove would be summarily hanged for treason from the 14th Street Bridge and left there to rot.

Echewta
07-13-2005, 03:40 PM
because he read it at the Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream website........
:D :D

dork