this yank that bought half of MAN U

[Tzar]

thoughts?

i reckon MAN U are gonna go down the pisser now because of this. the fuck does this yank know about soccer or the premier league? it's so clear he is only interested in the money and not the well being of the club.

but yeah...i hope his car gets smashed up by rowdy drunk cunts one day. (y)

[Extra Cheese]

he makes money through the well being of the club so why would he ruin it,,,now if he makes all the decisions concerning the actual players then yeah you might be screwed

[Tzar]

well being of the club?
i doubt he'd know what that was. if he lived in england for more than 5 years, he might know.

i can see bad things happening though.

[Extra Cheese]

why is it such a big deal that an american is buying the team?

[Tzar]

are you american?
well what's right about it? i wouldn't mind if a european bloke bought it - shit they know what soccer is.
but this has got "i want more money and fame and pussy - i know - i'll buy half of MANU. they're pretty big aren't they?" written all over it.

[Medellia]

ARGH!!!!!!! BLUE DEVILS!!!! GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jabumbo]

rich folks buy sports franchises for two reasons: to make money, or to build their allready large ego


even if this guy knows nothing about the game, he could be in it for the money/ego thing, and he could be willing to pour more money into the team to make them better, and let someone with knowledge make the calls

[Medellia]

It's the ego thing. :mad:

[RobMoney]

Money, get away.
Get a good job with good pay and you’re okay.
Money, it’s a gas.
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash.
New car, caviar, four star daydream,
Think I’ll buy me a football team

[ms.peachy]

Honestly. The amount of fuss over a bunch of overgrown, overpaid, undermatured thugs who run around after a ball. I will never understand why anyone cares so damn much about sports.

[roosta]

in fairness as much as i dislike man u, and would love to see awful things happen to them, i just can't see it happening. they are the biggest name in world football, thats a base that wont go easily, and glazer is a very successful business man. now, put 2 and 2 together on that.

i know the deal seems a wee bit bonkers, but i dont think many people have considered the fact that glazer is a billionaire, and he became a billionaire for a reason.

[RobMoney]

thoughts?

i reckon MAN U are gonna go down the pisser now because of this. the fuck does this yank know about soccer or the premier league? it's so clear he is only interested in the money and not the well being of the club.

but yeah...i hope his car gets smashed up by rowdy drunk cunts one day. (y)


Hey Czar. I'm a little offended. Your statement is completely racist towards Americans.

[wavin_goodbye]

Honestly. The amount of fuss over a bunch of overgrown, overpaid, undermatured thugs who run around after a ball. I will never understand why anyone cares so damn much about sports.

(y) (y) (y) (y) (y)

[Lex Diamonds]

but yeah...i hope his car gets smashed up by rowdy drunk cunts one day. (y)
rowdy drunk cunts = any Man U fans with a sense of pride

[roosta]

yes, smashing up someones automobile would really show pride in your club!

[Lex Diamonds]

Honestly. The amount of fuss over a bunch of overgrown, overpaid, undermatured thugs who run around after a ball. I will never understand why anyone cares so damn much about sports.
Pffft

*rolls eyes dismissively*

[Lex Diamonds]

yes, smashing up someones automobile would really show pride in your club!
Any one who wants Man U to stay the club it is today would jump at the chance to smash Glazer's motor in. He's a fat stupid exploitative cunt who needs to leave "soccer" alone and go back to America.

[roosta]

Any one who wants Man U to stay the club it is today would jump at the chance to smash Glazer's motor in. He's a fat stupid exploitative cunt who needs to leave "soccer" alone and go back to America.

c'mon. physically attacking someones car would do nothing good for the club they supposedly show pride in....

[Lex Diamonds]

c'mon. physically attacking someones car would do nothing good for the club they supposedly show pride in....
Seriously though if it got the message through that he wasn't welcome here then I'd do it in a second.


He's nothing but bad news, mark my words.

*lights pipe and looks wistfully into middle distance*

[franscar]

why is it such a big deal that an american is buying the team?

His nationality isn't really the issue, unfortunately it's the thing that's been picked up on the most in the recent months as those opposed to his takeover have become increasingly more desperate to stop it happening.

The main problems with his takeover are that he hasn't used his own money to fund it, he's borrowed huge amounts, and once he passed a 75% stakeholding in the club, he was able to transfer this borrowing onto the accounts of the club, a sum rumoured to be approximately £790million. So in essence he has taken the most profitable sporting business anywhere in the world, and riddled them with a debt the like of which has never been seen before in football or any other sport.

To clear this debt, quite simply, prices will have to rise. The early figures quoted claim that ticket prices to see United play will rise by 49% within five years, bringing them in line with the most expensive ticket prices in English football, which are to see Chelsea. However, Chelsea's average season ticket holder earns nearly £11,000 a year more than the average United season ticket holder, and so, to fuel the ego and the pockets of the Glazer family, it is the average football fan that will have to pay to service a debt of Glazer's engineering. To see United play at Old Trafford is a fantastic spectacle, it's a wonderful stadium and a wonderful team, but less and less will be able to afford to go and watch them.

Also, Glazer has been rumoured to be looking at ways to change the way in which football is broadcast on TV, looking at ways to make more money for United from any deals brokered with the TV companies. Pay-per-view matches would cost the fans even more, but this is probably a long way off, as the former United board were party to a long term TV deal which I believe lasts until 2010 at the earliest. After that deal is finished though, there is every chance that he will attempt to press for higher deals for the larger clubs, meaning more money for the bigger teams, and less for the crackpot, run-of-the-mill crap like Birmingham City. Who I happen to support.

Or of course, all this could never happen, and Glazer could run down the debt sensibly by sending United out on global money-spinning tours like the previous board did, and by creating a successful team that wins prizes and plaudits all over the globe, while he himself does what every football club owner does, and that is spend an awful lot of money, for very little return.

In short, in case you can't really be too bothered with reading all of that, people are worried that an American, who stereotypically know very little about "our game", is going to come in and change everything. And we like our little game to stay the same as it always was.

[Auton]

yeah, those know-nothing americans should leave football alone and leave it to those who invented it!

by the way, the uk and australia need to stay the fuck out of hip hop. thanks.

[TurdBerglar]

hahahaha

[Lex Diamonds]

by the way, the uk and australia need to stay the fuck out of hip hop. thanks.
That would be funny if hip-hop was invented by native americans.

[TurdBerglar]

well that was stupid

[Lex Diamonds]

well that was stupid
You can't say America owns hip-hop. Sure New York was the place to be as far as hip hop was concerned in the 80s, but a lot of the feeling and attitude of hip-hop came out of the punk movement, which came straight out of England and English culture.

[TurdBerglar]

yeah, im sure a bunch of ghetto black dudes even knew what punk was

[Lex Diamonds]

yeah, im sure a bunch of ghetto black dudes even knew what punk was
Haha nice one man you just made the KKK.

Punk was everywhere in 70's/80's New York. Yep, even those uneducated, uncultured "ghetto black dudes" were into it. Hip-Hop replaced punk as the youth's music of choice, and was almost a direct result of it.

I don't know why I have to explain this to you, you're American. Do you even listen to hip-hop? Learn some shit man, for real.

[Auton]

can't say that the uk (or anyone but the united states) owns football either.

[Lex Diamonds]

can't say that the uk (or anyone but the united states) owns football either.
Who said that?

[Auton]

and to say that hip hop came from punk is a load of bullshit. it came out of dance music and RnB

[TurdBerglar]

Haha nice one man you just made the KKK.

Punk was everywhere in 70's/80's New York. Yep, even those uneducated, uncultured "ghetto black dudes" were into it. Hip-Hop replaced punk as their music of choice, and was almost a direct result of it.

I don't know why I have to explain this to you, you're American. Do you even listen to hip-hop? Learn some shit man, for real.


did you here this on vh1?



if you went up to some ghetto black dude 25 years ago and you asked him if he liked the sex pistols. he'd be all like ,"fuck you honkey. i aint no fruit!"

[Auton]

Who said that?

everyone in this thread who said "oh no! not an american!"

[marsdaddy]

He owns the Tampa Bay Bucs, who won the Superbowl three years ago. He's a fat, rich guy who has an enormous ego. Just like all sports team owners.

It could be worse, it could have been Mark Cuban.

[Lex Diamonds]

and to say that hip hop came from punk is a load of bullshit. it came out of dance music and RnB
What do you mean? Dance music came out of hip-hop. Hip hop was first, in the late 70s. Dance music came about early 80s. When you say RnB, do you mean real Rhythm and Blues, eg Bobby Womack, Al Green, or do you mean shit like Prince and Michael Jackson? Either way, hip hop didn't come out of it.

[Lex Diamonds]

if you went up to some ghetto black dude 25 years ago and you asked him if he liked the sex pistols. he'd be all like ,"fuck you honkey. i aint no fruit!"
Yeah, ok, whatever. You're completely, 100% right.

I give in to your flawless argument unconditionally.

[Auton]

haha hip hop made dance music? what the fuck are you talking about? i'm not talking about some gay electronic genre im talking about fucking disco and r and b. hip hop music was originally dance music, meaning music that was supposed to make you dance. saying that punk was a foundation of rap is ridiculous

[Lex Diamonds]

hip hop music was originally dance music, meaning music that was supposed to make you dance.
The hip hop that you could call "music" didn't come about till like 5 years after the hip hop movement began though. For real, b-boys didn't start popping up in clubs till like '78 '79, a long time after people started MCing over drum beats and wearing Adidas.

[Lex Diamonds]

saying that punk was a foundation of rap is ridiculous
Fuck it man, I guess people like GM Flash, Kool Herc, Del the Funky Homosapien and Russell Simmons were wrong. Auton is the true knowledge on hip-hop.

Whatever, I'm off, this is fuckin boring. You guys can carry on arguing amongst yourselves. (y)

[TurdBerglar]

so you did here this on vh1

[Lex Diamonds]

so you did here this on vh1
No I don't get the mtv channels. I'll give you a week or so to try and work out how I do know this (here's a clue: I can read) then I'll hit you back for the answer. Later on man, and good luck.

[TurdBerglar]

so you read this on the vh1 website. hahahaha. fuckn' asshole

[Auton]

i really dont recall hearing grandfaster flash cover the ramones, see afrika bambaataa wearing a sex pistols shirt, or ever read an interview of kurtis blow saying how much he was feeling that new joint by the damned... but ok

[Auton]

oh, and if we're going that route, then punk is rock 'n roll, a music created by black americans, so stay the fuck out of that too :)

[marsdaddy]

see afrika bambaataa wearing a sex pistols shirtYeah, but Johnny Rotten's group Public Image LTD did do a remix/remake with bam.

Planet Rock is a sped up version of Trans Europe Express - Kraftwerk.

I know shit too!

[Tzar]

Hey Czar. I'm a little offended. Your statement is completely racist towards Americans.

because i called him a yank? or because i said he knows nothing about the premier league?

if the first one: grow some balls
if the second: it's true. he wouldn't diddly-sqwat about MANU or soccer fullstop.

[Fade2White]

did any of you listened to what the Glazer family said to the English press a bit ago?? there would be no "cap" for transfer fees and that he was willing to spend as much as it took to field the best team possible. end of story. stop this thread. and oooo maybe ticket prices will increase, but thats been the trend for the last decade so deal with it.

[Fade2White]

the rest is just speculation so stop wasting your time

[Tzar]

there would be no "cap" for transfer fees and that he was willing to spend as much as it took to field the best team possible. end of story.

what happens to the rest of the league then?
if they have the world's greatest/most successfull team, how do other teams compete with them? who wants to watch a comp where there is only 1 team that wins the cup 'X' years in a row.

[GetYourWarOn]

thoughts?

i reckon MAN U are gonna go down the pisser now because of this. the fuck does this yank know about soccer or the premier league? it's so clear he is only interested in the money and not the well being of the club.

but yeah...i hope his car gets smashed up by rowdy drunk cunts one day. (y)


i'm sure he'll bring in someone who gives a fuck about soccer...i mean football to run the day to day operations.

[Medellia]

Any one who wants Man U to stay the club it is today would jump at the chance to smash Glazer's motor in. He's a fat stupid exploitative cunt who needs to leave "soccer" alone and go back to America.
Padster, I love you man. Seriously, this is gold. And Tzar, I love you too, just for starting this thread.

[Medellia]

everyone in this thread who said "oh no! not an american!"
Dude, as an American MU supporter, I take offense to this. :mad:

[Tzar]

Padster, I love you man. Seriously, this is gold. And Tzar, I love you too, just for starting this thread.
Dude, as an American MU supporter, I take offense to this.

i enjoy soccer, not as much as AFL and cricket, but soccer's always good fun to watch. it'd be sad to see such a historic club go down the shitter thanks to some fuckwit who cares about his wallet being empty.

best match i've seen:
UEFA final '96? - MAN U vs Bayern Munich - Solchier(biggest sp ever) kicks two goals in extra time. (y) awesome shit

[GetYourWarOn]

thoughts?

i reckon MAN U are gonna go down the pisser now because of this. the fuck does this yank know about soccer or the premier league? it's so clear he is only interested in the money and not the well being of the club.

but yeah...i hope his car gets smashed up by rowdy drunk cunts one day. (y)


lol @ the rowdy drunk cunts remark. good shit.

[RobMoney]

He owns the Tampa Bay Bucs, who won the Superbowl three years ago. He's a fat, rich guy who has an enormous ego. Just like all sports team owners.

It could be worse, it could have been Mark Cuban.


Don't you think it's kind of irrevelent how much someone pays for a sports team. It's like any other investment. In 10 years down the road the price that's paid today will seem almost laughable. The value of the team will increase, that's a given.

They wil probably build a new stadium with loads of luxury boxes that they will sell to corporations,
They will sell the naming rights of the stadium to a corporation for about a third of the price of building the stadium,
Another third will come from the local government.
The other third of the funding will come from the fans in the form of a "Seat Licensing Fee" which will be about $3000.00 a seat, just for the right to buy season tickets for that seat. This will cause all the low-income fans to give up thier seats to the wealthier fans who can afford to pay the fee.
Ticket prices will rise almost every year.
It's almost a license to print money.



This is the way it's done in America with our Football teams.

[Medellia]

Don't you think it's kind of irrevelent how much someone pays for a sports team. It's like any other investment. In 10 years down the road the price that's paid today will seem almost laughable. The value of the team will increase, that's a given.

They wil probably build a new stadium with loads of luxury boxes that they will sell to corporations,
They will sell the naming rights of the stadium to a corporation for about a third of the price of building the stadium,
Another third will come from the local government.
The other third of the funding will come from the fans in the form of a "Seat Licensing Fee" which will be about $3000.00 a seat, just for the right to buy season tickets for that seat. This will cause all the low-income fans to give up thier seats to the wealthier fans who can afford to pay the fee.
Ticket prices will rise almost every year.
It's almost a license to print money.
And that's why the fans are pissed.

[RobMoney]

Not much you can do really, it's a business.

[Medellia]

Tis true. :(

But I can still be pissed about it. :mad:

[ms.peachy]

and to say that hip hop came from punk is a load of bullshit. it came out of dance music and RnB
Yeah! I mean it couldn't possibly have been influenced by BOTH! That's just crazy talk!

[roosta]

im more interested in this hip-hop origin debate now...

I have to say, to say hip-hop "came from" punk is completely wrong. The punk attitude might have slightly interested and influenced some prominent figures in hip-hop in the early 80's (Fab 5 Freddy, Afrika Bambataa) the music has it's roots in funk/r'n'b.

Kool Herc (INVENTED HIP-HOP TM!!!!) started the "breaks" crazy, by taking the instrumental breakdown in the middle of records (mainly James Brown incidentally) and extending it by playing the same break on another copy. The "national anthem" of hip-hop as he said him self was the Incredible Bongo Band's version of "Apache", everyones favourite break!

He werent spinnin' no Sex Pistols!

[ms.peachy]

im more interested in this hip-hop origin debate now...

well you might enjoy reading this, then (http://p076.ezboard.com/fpoliticalpalacefrm57.showMessage?topicID=213.topi c)

[Lex Diamonds]

best match i've seen:
UEFA final '96? - MAN U vs Bayern Munich - Solchier(biggest sp ever) kicks two goals in extra time. (y) awesome shit
That match was quality. (y)

(btw- it was the Champions' League Final 1999, and Solskjaer headed one goal and Sheringham scored the other, with an assist from Solskjaer (y) )

[marsdaddy]

Don't you think it's kind of irrevelent how much someone pays for a sports team. It's like any other investment. In 10 years down the road the price that's paid today will seem almost laughable. The value of the team will increase, that's a given.

They wil probably build a new stadium with loads of luxury boxes that they will sell to corporations,
They will sell the naming rights of the stadium to a corporation for about a third of the price of building the stadium,
Another third will come from the local government.
The other third of the funding will come from the fans in the form of a "Seat Licensing Fee" which will be about $3000.00 a seat, just for the right to buy season tickets for that seat. This will cause all the low-income fans to give up thier seats to the wealthier fans who can afford to pay the fee.
Ticket prices will rise almost every year.
It's almost a license to print money.



This is the way it's done in America with our Football teams.Until Glazer can find a way to black out local games if the stadium doesn't sell out, Man U can't be truly Americanized.

Brits just want to have fun...

[Fade2White]

It's all speculation, and Tzar, what is Roman doing with Chelsea?do you not realize the the premier league is already a one horse race?

[Extra Cheese]

Nationally USA ranks ahead of England so maybe Americans know a little something about the game (http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1532425,00.html?gusrc=rss)

[franscar]

Absolutely nobody in the world of football takes any sort of notice of the FIFA rankings, the structure used to create these fictitious league tables is about as watertight as a collinder.

The USA is probably the world's fastest improving national team at the moment, and had a very good world cup last time round in 2002, but the world rankings place them ahead of a multitude of teams that are simply far, far better. The U.S. and Mexico both rank so highly because they spend the majority of their time playing competitive games against the Carribean countries, who, without exception, suck balls.

[Fade2White]

franscar is completly right, our rating has sky rocketed because in the last month weve been tallying up WCQ wins (which give you lots of points in the standings) against Panama and Costa Rica. We've also been winning games in the Gold Cup against really poor squads. We jumped a lot of spaces because while we were doing this the teams we jumped ahead were playing in the Confederations Cup and losing to world powers like Brazil and Argentina. However, the US is defenitally and improving soccer nation that can play with any country in the world and you don't need a coca cola ranking to tell you that.