why do yuppies always got to try to ruin everything

[TurdBerglar]

SAN FRANCISCO - A media watchdog group said Tuesday it has demanded Take-Two Interactive Software Inc. unit Rockstar Games recall “Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas,” the blockbuster title at the center of a swarm over a hack that helps players unlock a sexually explicit mini-game.

The move added the Parents Television Council’s voice to a growing chorus of critics of the game -- one of the most popular ever sold and one of the most controversial for what critics see as its gratuitous violence.

For the past few weeks, the video game industry has been buzzing over a software modification for the game that allows players to have their characters engage in sex acts at the house of a “girlfriend.”
The game modification, dubbed “hot coffee,” can be downloaded from the Internet.

Critics have called for a change in the game’s rating, from ”M” (Mature 17+) to “AO” (Adult Only). Such a move could crimp sales at large retail outlets.

Just last week, U.S. Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Joseph Lieberman stepped into the controversy.

Lieberman demanded that the company allow for an independent analysis of its code, while Clinton has promised to introduce legislation that would curb the sale of violent video games to minors.

The Entertainment Software Rating Board -- the group responsible for video games ratings -- has also launched a probe into the “hot coffee” modification.

“Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas” got its “M” rating for blood and gore, intense violence, strong language, strong sexual content and drug use.

Take-Two’s Rockstar Games has said “hot coffee” is an unauthorized modification created by individuals in the gaming community. It is cooperating with the ESRB investigation.

Patrick Wildenborg, a Netherlands-based programmer identified as the lead author of the hack, said on his Web site that content in the modification — including the animation and dialogue — was available on the original game disk.

He noted, however, that the material is completely inaccessible in an unmodified version of the game.

It “is most probably just leftover material from a gameplay idea that didn’t make the final release. I would really like to stress that this material is only accessible after willfully applying the ’hot coffee’ mod (or something similar) to the game,” he said on his site.

Wildenborg could not be immediately reached for comment.

[marsdaddy]

How are these people yuppies?

BTW, PMRC and Tipper Gore helped turn a parental advisory sticker into platinum sales, so maybe it'll help sell more games?

[adam_f]

Hillary Clinton pisses me off more than I ever thought possible.

[TurdBerglar]

How are these people yuppies?


whiney white people with a lot of money....

[adam_f]

^Exactly.

[redhead]

yuppies = young urban professional

these people are old prudes.

[marsdaddy]

whiney white people with a lot of money....
Young
Urban
Professional
Padded for effect
Yadded for effect

I know yuppies, and you my friend, are no yuppy.

[TurdBerglar]

no


yuppies are whiney white people with a lot of money who are disconnected from reality

[TurdBerglar]

i think everyone hates yuppies

[TurdBerglar]

toldya you where disconnected from reality

[King PSYZ]

i love how lieberman still wants all kinds of regulation for this game when it's already in place without the need of the government stepping in.

retailers and the gaming industry created the ratings standard and practices for games. and they are readlilly enforced.

when i bought my copy of san andreas they were carding everyone. so if kids are playing the game it's because someone of age is buying it for them.

[skinnybutphat]

As a devout yuppie, I demand this thread be closed or I will contact my alderman.

[beastiegirrl101]

Young
Urban
Professional
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*aren't we all then?

[ms.peachy]

yup.

[Medellia]

no


yuppies are whiney white people with a lot of money who are disconnected from reality
NO, you have to be young to be a yuppie. These people are too old. But I can almost guarantee that they were yuppies twenty years ago.

[zorra_chiflada]

i thought this thread was "why do puppies always got to try to ruin everything," to which i was going to respond: "I LOVE PUPPIES!!"

[TurdBerglar]

no, puppies just ruin couches and shoes

[marsdaddy]

But I can almost guarantee that they were yuppies twenty years ago.I bet not. These people are wealthy. Yuppies work.

[Medellia]

I bet not. These people are wealthy. Yuppies work.
But a lot of them weren't always wealthy. They had to work for it. Yuppies have to be young. That's where the "Y" comes from.

[TurdBerglar]

fuck that achronim


yuppies are annoying sheltered white people

[zorra_chiflada]

SAN FRANCISCO - A media watchdog group said Tuesday it has demanded Take-Two Interactive Software Inc. unit Rockstar Games recall “Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas,” the blockbuster title at the center of a swarm over a hack that helps players unlock a sexually explicit mini-game.

The move added the Parents Television Council’s voice to a growing chorus of critics of the game -- one of the most popular ever sold and one of the most controversial for what critics see as its gratuitous violence.

For the past few weeks, the video game industry has been buzzing over a software modification for the game that allows players to have their characters engage in sex acts at the house of a “girlfriend.”
The game modification, dubbed “hot coffee,” can be downloaded from the Internet.

Critics have called for a change in the game’s rating, from ”M” (Mature 17+) to “AO” (Adult Only). Such a move could crimp sales at large retail outlets.

Just last week, U.S. Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Joseph Lieberman stepped into the controversy.

Lieberman demanded that the company allow for an independent analysis of its code, while Clinton has promised to introduce legislation that would curb the sale of violent video games to minors.

The Entertainment Software Rating Board -- the group responsible for video games ratings -- has also launched a probe into the “hot coffee” modification.

“Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas” got its “M” rating for blood and gore, intense violence, strong language, strong sexual content and drug use.

Take-Two’s Rockstar Games has said “hot coffee” is an unauthorized modification created by individuals in the gaming community. It is cooperating with the ESRB investigation.

Patrick Wildenborg, a Netherlands-based programmer identified as the lead author of the hack, said on his Web site that content in the modification — including the animation and dialogue — was available on the original game disk.

He noted, however, that the material is completely inaccessible in an unmodified version of the game.

It “is most probably just leftover material from a gameplay idea that didn’t make the final release. I would really like to stress that this material is only accessible after willfully applying the ’hot coffee’ mod (or something similar) to the game,” he said on his site.

Wildenborg could not be immediately reached for comment.

i'm sure the game was rated r (18+) here, and joe's 12 year old brother has it.

[Medellia]

True. They are annoying, sheltered and white. But they're still young though.


The people in question are former yuppies.

[Auton]

i thought this thread was "why do puppies always got to try to ruin everything," to which i was going to respond: "I LOVE PUPPIES!!"

hahaha

[TurdBerglar]

SAN FRANCISCO - The video game industry on Wednesday changed to adults-only the rating of “Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas,” a best-selling game in which explicit sexual content can be unlocked with an Internet download.

The decision followed intense pressure from politicians and media watch groups, and retailers reacted swiftly — Wal-Mart Stores Inc., Target Corp. and Best Buy Co. said they would immediately pull all copies from their store shelves nationwide.

The game’s producer, Rockstar Games, said it stopped making the current version and would provide new labels to any retailer willing to keep selling the games, which had been rated “M” for mature. The company also will offer a downloadable patch to fix the sex issue in PC versions, and is working on a new, more secure version, to be rated “M.”

[ms.peachy]

I still can't quite see what the big deal is. So some people are being responsible and endeavouring to make it more difficult for kids to get their hands on material that is inappropriate for thier consumption. Unless you're a 15 year old loser boy who's too scared to talk to a real live girl, I don't get why anyone would have a problem with this.

[Medellia]

Really it comes down to the fact that goverment officials were trying to tell the video game industry what to do, when it should come down to personal (and more importnatly, parental) responsibility. And I say this as someone who HATES video games.

[pip07]

It's so fucking dumb. I've seen the scenes in GTA. Fucking soccer moms

I fucking hate Jack Thompson

[ms.peachy]

Really it comes down to the fact that goverment officials were trying to tell the video game industry what to do, when it should come down to personal (and more importnatly, parental) responsibility. And I say this as someone who HATES video games.
I disagree. The company admits that they left the content in the game, albeit locked. (Although they did LIE and deny this repeatedly, until confronted with unrefutable evidence to the contrary.) However, it was not unknown to them that it could be hacked and unlocked, because this happens amongst hardcore gamers all the time. Rockstar Games acted irresponsibly in seeking the M rather than the AO rating (which in the end, is really just all about getting your money) and they can and should be held accountable for that .

[insertnamehere]

whats the diff between M and AO? isnt M 18+ and arent "adults" legally anyone 18+?


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i meant to copy the part of the article about probing and ended up with that instead, but i think the randomness of the headline i copied earlier is about as humerous as the fact the article said they were "probing"

[King PSYZ]

I disagree. The company admits that they left the content in the game, albeit locked. (Although they did LIE and deny this repeatedly, until confronted with unrefutable evidence to the contrary.) However, it was not unknown to them that it could be hacked and unlocked, because this happens amongst hardcore gamers all the time. Rockstar Games acted irresponsibly in seeking the M rather than the AO rating (which in the end, is really just all about getting your money) and they can and should be held accountable for that .
One, like rachael pointed out, what is the difference between M(which means you have to be legally an adult to buy it) and AO(which is exactly the same)? Oh yeah most retaillers won't carry the second.
Secondly, you aren't supposed to be able to hack playstation games as readily as a PC game where you have the code accessable by a decently powered computer. Some people went out of their way to uncover these scenes and make them active.

Rockstar had scrapped the portion of the game to avoid the AO rating and ordered the code removed. An employee got lazy and instead of removing the code disabled it.

But if the retailers had been doing their job it would have never been an issue, and I still don't think it was one. It's called lazy parents asking the government to do their job and control what their children see because they can't be bothered to do it themselves. This is the result of a generation that uses TV and games as a substitute nanny.

[ms.peachy]

But if the retailers had been doing their job it would have never been an issue, and I still don't think it was one. It's called lazy parents asking the government to do their job and control what their children see because they can't be bothered to do it themselves. This is the result of a generation that uses TV and games as a substitute nanny.

As you say, the company had ordered it scrapped. They are ultimately responsible for ensuring this was properly done before releasing the product onto the market. Yes, they went for the M rather than the AO so they could sell more product. There's nothing wrong with that, per se. But, they can't play innocent and claim they had no way of knowing that the locked content could be accessed and exploited.

I don't disagree that parents need to be responsible in determining whether or not to buy/allow thier kids to buy it in the first place. However, you all seem to think that parents have an awful lot of control in what teenagers do in their free time, over at their friends houses, etc. I mean, not for nothing, but were your parents looking over your shoulder 24/7? If they were, did you like that? If not, do you think that would have been OK with you? Did you tell them exactly where you were and who you were with and what you were doing at all times?

[King PSYZ]

Um yeah my parents did have control of what i had access to since they had to buy it until I was working.

And even still, if it was an age restricted product how could a child buy it? Lazy retailers and parents not reading the labeling or warnings.

Also you can't blame rockstar, they didn't know the code was buried, they thought it had been scrapped. It was only recently they discovered it was still in the on disc code.

Regardless this boils down to what I see as an Illegal censoring of their product by a conservative group out to garner votes for the next presidential race.

[ms.peachy]

Um yeah my parents did have control of what i had access to since they had to buy it until I was working.

And even still, if it was an age restricted product how could a child buy it? Lazy retailers and parents not reading the labeling or warnings.

well look, I don't know what the laws are in your area. But where I grew up, I had a job and my own money by the age of 14. I don't think this is unusual.

The thing is, the retailers can sell an M game if they want to a kid, but they can't sell an AO. So whilst it might strike you as 'unethical' or lazy, it's not, I don't believe, illegal. One hopes that the larger, known retailers have a policy against this (if only to protect themselves from loads of angry parents turning up in their shops), but smaller shops, market traders etc. may not be so vigilant. So a kid can buy it, and their parents would not neccessarily ever know.

Also you can't blame rockstar, they didn't know the code was buried, they thought it had been scrapped. It was only recently they discovered it was still in the on disc code.

Regardless this boils down to what I see as an Illegal censoring of their product by a conservative group out to garner votes for the next presidential race.

Roskstar IS at fault in the same way that any company that releases a faulty product is responsible. If a car manufacturer sold a bunch of cars with, say, a defective cooling system, that they knew was possible but they'd told a line engineer to sort it out but that engineer didn't, and the company sold the cars even though they believed everything was sorted, they would still be responsible as a company for the fact that it wasn't.

I don't see this as a censorship issue, more a trading practices issue.

[ms.peachy]

Last I knew, M is actually 17+.
right, but what is the law regarding sales? Is it actually prosecutable to sell it to someone under the age of 17?

[cuckyposs]

My brother-in-law said I was turning into a yuppie cuz I got a ride-on lawn mower (fekkin jawn deeah!).
I said I'm not cuz I still get stoned before I ride it
nshit