SobaViolence
07-23-2005, 12:39 PM
there are crazies in every faith. read and learn.
BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4711003.stm)
Mufti Rafi Usmani heads Darul Uloom Karachi, one of Pakistan's most respected religious schools, or madrassas. Islam does not allow killing of innocent civilians and non-combatants under any circumstances," he said in an interview with the BBC News website.
FearandLoathing
07-23-2005, 06:33 PM
no. they aren't.
Sure they are. It's not necessarily indoctrinated into people in the west, so the hardcores are treated, mostly, with contempt. Like the pope. The pope's a novelty; nobody listens to the goddamn pope. In the middle east, where, in most countries, religion is indoctrinated, people are more likely to listen to crazed religious leaders.
travesty
07-23-2005, 08:51 PM
Sure they are. It's not necessarily indoctrinated into people in the west, so the hardcores are treated, mostly, with contempt. Like the pope. The pope's a novelty; nobody listens to the goddamn pope. In the middle east, where, in most countries, religion is indoctrinated, people are more likely to listen to crazed religious leaders.
"Hang the Pope" -Nuclear Assualt
They certainly don't listen to him when he says not to cornhole the youngsters!
catatonic
07-23-2005, 09:48 PM
"The West, they say, must seek a resolution of all the conflicts involving the Muslim world and hit at the root causes that have spawned terrorism all over the world."
Now I'm for nations wetnursing Israel, but I can understand why Muslims are so upset.
1917 - Palestine, Aided by the Arabs, the British captured Palestine from the Ottoman Turks. The Brits gave the arabs several promises But in secret they made conflicting agreements, in the Balfour Declaration of 1917, Britain promised the Jews a Jewish "national home" in Palestine. Something that the arabs strongly opposed since that was not part of the initial agreement.
1936 - Palestine, Palestinians holds a six-month strike against the confiscation of land and Jewish immigration. The british does nothing.
1937 - Palestine, The british Peel commission concludes that the situation in Palestine is unworkable. The commission recommends a partition of Palestine into a jewish state, an arab state and a neutral international/british state that would contain the sacred parts of jerusalem.
1939 - Palestine, Due to the growin unrest in the region the British government published a suggestion that Jewish immigration should be restricted and that Palestine should become an independent state. The Zionist movement rejected this and founded terrorist organizations who launched a bloody campaign against the british and palestinians.
1947 - Palestine, UK decides to leave Palestine. The UN creates a plan to partition palestine into tw"o states, a jewish and a palestinian. Arab protests against the partition results in violence, Palestinians attacks jewish settlements in retaliation of the jewish terrorist attacks that massacred hundreds of unarmed Palestinians.
1948 - Israel, The state of Israel is born. The US and UK manipulates the UN, all nations in the region vote against the founding of Israel. The US makes several nations drop their votes. The arab nations says before the voting that they will declare war on the state of Israel if it is founded. Later, Israel is attacked.
1956 - The Suez Crisis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_crisis
1957 - Jordan, Support of Pro-US dictator
1958 - Lebanon, The Lebanon Crisis. The US sends 14,000 troops to remove the anti-US dissents in Lebanon. CIA funds and manipulates the election of Camille Chamoun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon_crisis_of_1958
1960 - Iraq, Abdul Karim Kassem founds OPEC (Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries). OPEC challenges western oil companies. CIA plans and tries to assassinate Kassem. CIA funds the kurds to oppose their leader.
1963 - Iraq, CIA overthrows Kassem in a coup and executes him. The Baath party gets the power. CIA gives the party a list of thousands of communists who are then executed. Saddam Hussein is involved in torture for the regime.
UK and US arms the new Iraqi government. The new regime attacks the kurds that the US earlier armed and pushed to opposed Iraq. A promise from the Iraqi government is given that US oil corporations is given full control of the Iraqi oil.
1970 - Oman, The US and Iran cooperates in the secret invasion of Oman.
1972 - Iraq, The US gives $16 millions of military aid to the Kurds to oppose the Iragi goverment and to please their puppet government in Iran.
1975 - Iraq, Iran and Iraq makes an peace agreement. Iraqi launches an attack at the Kurds, killing thousands. The US ignores the Kurds who are slaughtered. The famous Henry Kissinger quote is created "covert action should not be confused with missionary work" http://www.google.com/search?q=%22covert+action+should+not+be+confused+w ith+missionary+work%22
1975 - Morocco (not middle east but a muslim state), Morocco invades Western Sahara, The "International court of Justice" rules that Marocco has no right to claim the region. The US funds and supports the cruel dictator of Marocco in the war, in return the US are allowed to create airbases in the area.
1977 - Pakistan, The US supports a coup in pakistan. Former leader is executed. The US arms Pakistan. Martial Law lasts until 1985.
1977 - Egypt, The US funds the dictator of Egypt in order to remove any anti-Israel actions.
1979 - Iran, The iranian revolution. The US puppet government falls. The new government is denounced by the US since it removes the oil and buisness concessions that the puppet government allowed. The US helps the former dictator to flee to the US. Iran demands his repatriation but instead the US freezes Irans assets.
1979 - Afghanistan, The US funds and trains the Mujahideen (later Al-Qaida) to fight the USSR.
1979 - Yemen, the US supports paramilitary movements in Yemen in order to please Saudi Arabia.
1980 - Iraq, the Iraq-Iran war. Iraq invades Iran. UN condemns the invasion but the US opposes the UN and removes Iraq from the list of "nations supporting terrorism". Iraq is funded by Saudi Arabia and armed by the UK and US. At the same time US arms Iran hoping that a military coup would take place (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair). The war last for 10 years, killing over 1 million people.
1981 - Libya, The US shoots down two Libyan jets. The US tries to remove the leader of Libya since he had set up a welfare state for his people, something that the US didn't like. The US army did training operations in the area, something that upset the arab nations.
1982 - Lebanon, Israel invades Lebanon. According to UK magazine The Economist, Israeli forces would surround a town or city "so swiftly that civilian inhabitants were trapped inside and then to pound them from land, sea and air." 17,500 people are killed, the majority civilians. Ariel Sharon earns his nickname - The butcher of Beirut.
Chris Giannou, a Canadian surgeon working in a Palestinian hospital testified to the USA Congress that he witnessed "total, utter devastation of residential areas, and the blind, savage indiscriminate destruction of refugee camps by simultaneous shelling and carpet bombing from aircraft, gunboats, tanks and artillery".
Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners are executed.
Israel allows The Phalangists (a Lebanese Christian militia) massacre over 2,750 Palestinians in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila (near Beirut). Most of the victims are women, old men and children. Many girls (as young as 6) and women are raped by soldiers.
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:IK9P_au_qrUJ:http://www.israelect.com/reference/Willie-Martin/Israeli%2520Massacres%2520%255BA%255D.htm+%22Group s+of+bodies+lay+before+bullet-pocked+walls%22&hl=sv
United Nations General Assembly condemns the massacre and declares it to be an act of genocide. The vote is 147 to 2 (Israel and the USA). The world condemns Israel and 400,000 of its own citizens join a Peace Now demonstration in Tel Aviv.
1982 - Iraq, US continues to arm Iraq. The CIA makes several plans to assassinate the leader of Iran.
1983 - Lebanon, The Lebanon civil war. The US sends troop to Lebanon to ensure the victory of the Pro-american side. US battleships bombards towns and cities.
1985 - Lebanon, Israel occupies the southern parts of Lebanon. Civilians are killed. The US prevents two UN resoultions by using the veto twice. CIA tries to assassinate a muslim cleric, killing 80 civilians instead.
1985 - Chad, The US (and France) supports, trains and funds the brutal dictatorship.
1986 - Libya, The US attacks Libyan patrol boats and coast installations in Libya. Several times from 1981 to 1986 the CIA tries to assassinate the very popular leader of Libya. One of the attempts was with UK bombers, but the attempt failed, killing many foreigners and Libyans.
1987 - Iran, The US navy seizes an Iranian ship in international waters near Iran in order to provoke Iran.
1988 - Iran, The US bombs oil facilities in Iran.The USA destroyer, the US Vincennes in Iranian territorial waters, shoots down an Iranian commercial flight (Iran Air 654) in Iranian airspace killing all 286 passengers.
The USA refuses to apologise, vice president, George Bush is quoted in the magazine, Newsweek: "I will never apologise for the United States of America. I don't care what the facts are".
1988 - Iraq, Iraq uses poision gas in Halabja, killing 6,000 kurds. The gas was among all chemical and biological weapons that Iraq recieved from the US and UK. Shortly after the attack the US and UK give Iraq generous offers. CIA covers up the attack in a official report, blaming Iran.
1989 - Libya, US forces shoots down two Libyan planes. The US vetoes a UN resolution condemning the action.
1991 - Iraq, the Gulf War. The UK and US invades Iraq after Iraq had invaded Kuwait. The US uses words like smart bombs and surgical precision. Words that are lies. Only a fractions of the 90,000 metric tonnes of dropped bombs are smart in some way.
Depleted uranium are used in ammunition. According to the IAEA there is enough DU in Iraq to kill half a million people from cancer. Other illegal weapons are used like napalm and cluster bombs.
Five military hospitals, at least one civilian hospital and several civilian bunkers are bombed.
More than 200,000 civilians are killed during the war, 1,800,000 are made homeless. 1-2 millions have died later from the effect of the war. DU has increased the cases of cancer, mutations and other radiation related diseases.
After the war both the dictator Saddam and the dictatorship of Kuwait are left in power.
The US admits that over 100,000 US soliders were exposed to sarin gas during the war. Symptoms include neurological problems, chronic fatigue, skin problems, scarred lungs, memory loss, muscle and joint pain, headaches, personality changes, and passing out.
1993 - Iraq, The US and UK bombs Iraq killing civilians. This to ensure that Iraq does not flood the oil market and lowers the oil price. The reason according to the US is to retaliate a plot to assassinate George Bush, something that the US never has proved.
1994 - Jordan, In return for US aid, Jordan signs an agreemnent with Israel that Palestinian refugees do not have the right of return to their homes. This is in violation of the Geneva Convention.
1995 - Iraq, The US and UK give several reasons for the continuing of sanctions against Iraq. In reality the sanctions are a covert operation to keep a high oil price on the market. The sanctions damages the civilians, not the regime, preventing the Iraqis from accessing purified drinking water.
DIA states in a classified document:
"Iraq depends on importing specialized equipment and some chemicals to purify its water supply, most of which is heavily mineralized and frequently brackish to saline. With no domestic sources of both water treatment replacement parts and some essential chemicals, Iraq will continue attempts to circumvent United Nations Sanctions to import these vital commodities. Failing to secure supplies will result in a shortage of pure drinking water for much of the population. This could lead to increased incidences, if not epidemics, of disease. Food processing, electronic, and, particularly, pharmaceutical plants require extremely pure water that is free from biological contaminants."
http://www.mideastjournal.com/iraqswatersupply.html
1996 - Iraq, The US and UK continues to bomb Iraq. The US funds "Iraqi National Accord" with millions of dollars. The organisation uses car bombs in an attempt to destabilize Saddam. Over 100 civilians are killed. Some weeks later the US leads a conference discussing on how to stop the flow of money to terrorist groups. Talk about double standards
1997 - Iraq The US and UK pushes the UN to continue sanctions against Iraq. According to the World Food Program and UNICEF report that 1,211,285 children have died from sanction related causes during 7 years. This is ten times as many the 130,000 people that Amnesty estimates that have died as a result of the brutal regime during 10 years (1979-1989).
In 1989, before the sanctions the World Health Organization had recorded Iraq as having 92% access to clean water, 93% access to high quality health care and with high educational and nutritional standards.
The sanctions cover items that include: medicines, anesthetics, antibiotics, spare parts for X-ray machinery and incubators, children's toys, pencils, exercise books, lipstick, sanitary towels, shoelaces, medical journals, shroud cloth, and camera film.
1998 - Afghanistan, The Talibans kills 2,000 people in Hazaras. Over 4,500 people are detained.
The talibans was financed by US, UK, and Saudi Arabia. After two US embassies in Africa are bombed the US launches cruise missiles against Afghanistan. The missiles flyes thru Pakistan without permission, a violation of international laws.
A US diplomat states in LA Times:
"This is an insane instance of the chickens coming home to roost. You can't plug billions of dollars into an anti-Communist jihad, accept participation from all over the world and ignore the consequences. But we did. Our objectives weren't peace and grooviness in Afghanistan. Our objective was killing Commies and getting the Russians out."
http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/why.html
1998 - Iraq, The UN weapon inspectors are pushed out of Iraq, the UK and US bombs Iraq while the UN tries to find a solution.
1998 - Sudan, The US launches cruise missiles against a UN medicine factory in Sudan. They later claims the attack was a mistake. The UN investigation is stopped by the US.
A british worker states in The observer:
"I have intimate knowledge of that factory, and it just does not lend itself to the manufacture of chemical weapons."
http://www.refuseandresist.org/resist_this/082598sudanrpt.html
1999 - IraqThe US and UK continues to bomb Iraq almost every day. Over 10,000 mission are flown during the first 8 months, hundreds of civilians are killed. Over half a million children under 5 has died.
The director of the operation, Brigadier General William Looney gloats:
“If they turn on their radars we're going to blow up their goddamn SAMs [surface-to- air missiles]. They know we own their country. We own their airspace…We dictate the way they live and talk. And that’s what’s great about America right now. It’s a good thing, especially when there’s a lot of oil out there we need.”
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/U.S._Lieutenant_General_William_Looney
The reason of the bombings was that Iraq denied the entry of the weapon inspectors. Iraq claimed the US used the inspections to spy on them. Something that was true:
http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/scomspy.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/010799-01.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/010899-03.htm
The reason that Iraq didn't want to accept the inspection is to blame on the US.
http://www.fairpress.org/mbow03/outragearchive0324.htm
Last edited on Sat Jul 9th, 2005 04:18 am by Realistic_Swede at perspectives.com
So, the British are to blame, what else is new?
Every single nasty political situation, war, conflict, despotic regime, etc. can be easily and clearly traced back to the good old British Empire.
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