Hip-Hop needs another.....

[g-mile7]

Gza~Liquid Swords
Nas~Illmatic
De la Soul~Stakes is High
2pac~Me against the world
Jay-Z~Blueprint and Resonable Doubt
Rakim~Paid in Full (even the damn 18th letter/Book of Life)
Public Enemy~it takes a nation...
Common~Like water for chocolate



just to name a few records that artist these days should be trying to make...damn rap music in terms of mainstream shit is really low what other lps do y'all think would save the game today?

[adam_f]

Originally posted by g-mile7
Gza~Liquid Swords
Nas~Illmatic
De la Soul~Stakes is High
2pac~Me against the world
Jay-Z~Blueprint and Resonable Doubt
Rakim~Paid in Full (even the damn 18th letter/Book of Life)
Public Enemy~it takes a nation...
Common~Like water for chocolate

Those two especially.

The Roots- Things Fall Apart
Mos Def- Black on Both Sides
LL Cool J- Bigger and Deffer
Common- Can I Borrow a Dollar?
Fresh Prince- He's the DJ, I'm the Rapper
Public Enemy- There's a Poison Going On
DJ Jazzy Jeff- The Magnificent
Run DMC- Raising Hell

[g-mile7]

Raekwon~Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
2pac~Makeveli, The 7day Theory
Biggie~Ready 2 Die
Wu-Tang~Enter the 36 Chambers
Boogie Down Productions ~By All Means Necessary
Ghsotface~Iron Man and Supreme Clintele

[Brass_Munkey]

Yes we all know we need more brilliant albums, but the question is, which artist at this time is poised to deliver such an album?

Thoughts?

[DroppinScience]

What? No "3 Feet High And Rising"? :eek:

[g-mile7]

What? No "3 Feet High And Rising"? :eek:


well thats pretty much a "duh" album as in of course we need it, I still think Stakes is High is underated lyrically, production and flow of the record wise.

[g-mile7]

Yes we all know we need more brilliant albums, but the question is, which artist at this time is poised to deliver such an album?

Thoughts?



thats a serious question but if anybody going do it (common has with Be) I say Rakim, can't say Nas because he is hit/miss, jigga gone, 2pac dead, Biggie dead, so all that is left is the God of rap to drop his album finally, I still am hyped for it everytime I listen to Watcher 2


Gza is such a brillant lyricist too I dont know, but this new Ghostface Lp might be what is needed, I mean he does have the Mecca Soul Brotha Pete Rock coming from under his rock to drop a beat for him to spit to

[cj hood]

Gza~Liquid Swords
Nas~Illmatic
De la Soul~Stakes is High
2pac~Me against the world
Jay-Z~Blueprint and Resonable Doubt
Rakim~Paid in Full (even the damn 18th letter/Book of Life)
Public Enemy~it takes a nation...
Common~Like water for chocolate



just to name a few records that artist these days should be trying to make...damn rap music in terms of mainstream shit is really low what other lps do y'all think would save the game today?


2pac's over rated......

what about another:

beastie boys: LTI or PB

[g-mile7]

2pac's over rated......

what about another:

beastie boys: LTI or PB


and I asked for your opinion on 2pac as a lyricsit when? Some people.



But Paul's Boutique definately.

[tdot04]

Yes we all know we need more brilliant albums, but the question is, which artist at this time is poised to deliver such an album?

Thoughts?

Redman's shown that he can still rhyme his ass off (Ill At Will Mixtapes), and it's been 7 years since he's dropped a good album. I'd say he's due on Red Gone Wild. Plus, he's got Timbaland to produce a club banger on this one, so this record definately won't slip under the radar.

Kanye West new record will mean a lot too, depending on how well it's done. I don't know how many people are still checking for new Nas records, but if he disses 50 Cent as promised, his record could mean a lot.

[g-mile7]

Redman's shown that he can still rhyme his ass off (Ill At Will Mixtapes), and it's been 7 years since he's dropped a good album. I'd say he's due on Red Gone Wild. Plus, he's got Timbaland to produce a club banger on this one, so this record definately won't slip under the radar.

Kanye West new record will mean a lot too, depending on how well it's done. I don't know how many people are still checking for new Nas records, but if he disses 50 Cent as promised, his record could mean a lot.


he has dissed 50 cent the diss is weak and is all tagged up with Sirus/Static X shit, but the diss record is weak (n) "Dont body yaself" or some shit like that

[tdot04]

he has dissed 50 cent the diss is weak and is all tagged up with Sirus/Static X shit, but the diss record is weak (n) "Dont body yaself" or some shit like that

Really?... (n)

what happened to the "rumoured lyrics"?

[g-mile7]

Really?... (n)

what happened to the "rumoured lyrics"?


I really dont know maybe for the rumored 2 million neptuens track heres the diss:http://rapidshare.de/files/3334331/NAS-50CENTDISS.mp3.html

or

http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2Q7O0F68X0XMJ0KDRMC48FS14B


but yea lyrically lp's such as Me Against the World and Ready to Die are needed not so much for the production/advacne lyrics but for the realness of the lps, I really dont think too many people listen to lp's pretty in depth on here and in the game in general before they form opinions based on what they hear or believe, thus we need another unviesally respected album to stop that shit.

[Qdrop]

Yes we all know we need more brilliant albums, but the question is, which artist at this time is poised to deliver such an album?

Thoughts?

nas
beastie boys
jurrasic 5
DJ shadow

[DipDipDive]

Midnight Marauders by Tribe encapsulates all that I love about hip hop.

I wouldn't say any of the albums listed should be emulated, but I do think that hip hop/rap has lot a few steps in the past 5-10 years or so and a resurgence of this kind of sound would certainly make me happy.

[g-mile7]

Midnight Marauders by Tribe encapsulates all that I love about hip hop.

I wouldn't say any of the albums listed should be emulated, but I do think that hip hop/rap has lot a few steps in the past 5-10 years or so and a resurgence of this kind of sound would certainly make me happy.

your so right Tribe need to drop a gem again on us





well in terms of lyricsim and impact thats why I have them, none should be copied at all, some of them have already been emulated

[Mr Films]

I'm still waiting for Ludacris to deliver a classic.

here's such a talented guy who always drops so-so albums.

i'd like to think bboys have one more classic in em but who the fuck knows.

[g-mile7]

I'm still waiting for Ludacris to deliver a classic.

here's such a talented guy who always drops so-so albums.

i'd like to think bboys have one more classic in em but who the fuck knows.



I think the Boys will come out with some good shit when they say they hanging them up, unlike some rap groups you know they will stay together and go out together, but Ludacris many feel that Word of Mouf was his best overal effrot, classic? Depends on who you speak too, but he's gettign there I have hope after Red Light Distirct which was leaps and bounds ahead of the one good track (Stand Up) chickin and beer

[DipDipDive]

i'd like to think bboys have one more classic in em but who the fuck knows.

Yeah, and if not, they need to just stop.

I enjoy TT5B and all, but I've come to realize that the reason they stayed relevant for so long was because they reinvented themselves so many times. It seems that they're kind of trapped in this politically-charged-lyrics-sprinkled-between-rhymes-about-foodstuffs-and-yoga routine now, and it'll start to get really boring really fast if they don't change up their formula... :(

[g-mile7]

Yeah, and if not, they need to just stop.

I enjoy TT5B and all, but I've come to realize that the reason they stayed relevant for so long was because they reinvented themselves so many times. It seems that they're kind of trapped in this politically-charged-lyrics-sprinkled-between-rhymes-about-foodstuffs-and-yoga routine now, and it'll start to get really boring really fast if they don't change up their formula... :(


that shit is so true with there last lp espcailly. I liked it but change your shit up indeed, at least some more advance lyricism

[adam_f]

Originally posted by g-mile7
I think the Boys will come out with some good shit when they say they hanging them up, unlike some rap groups you know they will stay together and go out together, but Ludacris many feel that Word of Mouf was his best overal effrot, classic? Depends on who you speak too, but he's gettign there I have hope after Red Light Distirct which was leaps and bounds ahead of the one good track (Stand Up) chickin and beer

Red Light District was one of the better mainstream efforts from last year. A couple weak tracks (Blueberry Yum-Yum, the DMX track), but overall a massive improvement from Chickin and Beer.

[SobaViolence]

the future is grime and garage from the UK.

and i don't think there will be very distinct genres in the near future, because everything is fusing together. Listen to Gorillaz' Demon Days

there are some sick, sick, sick hip hop tracks. but as long as people stick to the 'traditional' hip hop sound, nothing will progress. Roots Manuva, Dizzee, MIA, Kano, Streets, Riley...bla bla bla

[g-mile7]

Red Light District was one of the better mainstream efforts from last year. A couple weak tracks (Blueberry Yum-Yum, the DMX track), but overall a massive improvement from Chickin and Beer.


theres no doubt bout that he is very underated in terms of lyricism, if we speaking on clever and unqiue rhyming in terms of some of the criteria for a lyricist he has it. His style what Im saying doesnt sound South. He, like pac (my opinion you hataz), can go beyond the typical sound of what area they repped.


Mos Def~Black on Both Sides

[DipDipDive]

the future is grime and garage from the UK.

and i don't think there will be very distinct genres in the near future, because everything is fusing together. Listen to Gorillaz' Demon Days

there are some sick, sick, sick hip hop tracks. but as long as people stick to the 'traditional' hip hop sound, nothing will progress. Roots Manuva, Dizzee, MIA, Kano, Streets, Riley...bla bla bla

Name some of the artists we should be listening to instead of people like Dizzee.

[g-mile7]

the future is grime and garage from the UK.

and i don't think there will be very distinct genres in the near future, because everything is fusing together. Listen to Gorillaz' Demon Days

there are some sick, sick, sick hip hop tracks. but as long as people stick to the 'traditional' hip hop sound, nothing will progress. Roots Manuva, Dizzee, MIA, Kano, Streets, Riley...bla bla bla


everyones afraid to go outside the box...but all you have to do is look at Speakerboxxx/the love below and see why. That album was called Outkast most mainstream album by people on and off here, when in reality that shit other then a few tracks on big boi's side was sooooooooo outside the box in terms of hip-hop today. Defniately better then almost the majority of underground shit, espcially coming from such acts as Atmospehre, Sage Francis, Aesop Rock etc (people in that vain of rap and their fans)

[adam_f]

Originally posted by g-mile7
theres no doubt bout that he is very underated in terms of lyricism, if we speaking on clever and unqiue rhyming in terms of some of the criteria for a lyricist he has it. His style what Im saying doesnt sound South. He, like pac (my opinion you hataz), can go beyond the typical sound of what area they repped.


Mos Def~Black on Both Sides

Jump down, turn around
Pick a pail of cotton
Jumd down, turn around
Pick a bail of hay
OHHHH LORRDDYY, pick a pail of cotton
OHHHH LORRDDYY, pick a pail of hay

That little bit from 'The Potion' made me laugh harder than anything from any hip hop song I've heard in a long time. Rappers who are as creative of him are far between, or like you said with pac, dead.

[Qdrop]

Yeah, and if not, they need to just stop.

I enjoy TT5B and all, but I've come to realize that the reason they stayed relevant for so long was because they reinvented themselves so many times. It seems that they're kind of trapped in this politically-charged-lyrics-sprinkled-between-rhymes-about-foodstuffs-and-yoga routine now, and it'll start to get really boring really fast if they don't change up their formula... :(

they need to start drinking again.

maturity and enlightenment isn't helping them creatively anymore...not since after Hello Nasty....

if you are going to rap about politcal/social activism....trying having a little more depth to your argument than a 2nd-semester freshman activist at Berkley......

[g-mile7]

they need to start drinking again.

maturity and enlightenment isn't helping them creatively anymore...not since after Hello Nasty....

if you are going to rap about politcal/social activism....trying having a little more depth to your argument than a 2nd-semester freshman activist at Berkley......



(y) (y) props on that because it's true. Anybody can say F bush and not know the exact reasons why, just ask the majority of the underground hip-hop

[Extra Cheese]

there are hip-hop albums just as good as the one named in this thread that have come out recently. good albums are always being released its just that the bad ones outnumber them.

[g-mile7]

Jump down, turn around
Pick a pail of cotton
Jumd down, turn around
Pick a bail of hay
OHHHH LORRDDYY, pick a pail of cotton
OHHHH LORRDDYY, pick a pail of hay

That little bit from 'The Potion' made me laugh harder than anything from any hip hop song I've heard in a long time. Rappers who are as creative of him are far between, or like you said with pac, dead.


that song is like that hip white chica said "B-A-N-A-N-A-S"

[g-mile7]

there are hip-hop albums just as good as the one named in this thread that have come out recently. good albums are always being released its just that the bad ones outnumber them.

well thats a known fact (thus the mentioning of Be) but the fact is those albums are being slept on and we never hear about them too much. When Blueprint came out everyone knew about it, same with Me Against the World and Raekwon. We need albums that we know were going be talking about now and 5-10 years down the line. Someone needs to just shake shit up, hasnt been done really since, I hate saying this, Em and The Marshal Mathers Lp

[Mr Films]

tt5b is ok, but unlike other bboys albums- it doesn't age well.

hip hop needed "encore" to not suck, by the way.

it also needed the new tribe called quest album. speaking of, what the FUCK happened to that?

[adam_f]

Originally posted by g-mile7
well thats a known fact (thus the mentioning of Be) but the fact is those albums are being slept on and we never hear about them too much. When Blueprint came out everyone knew about it, same with Me Against the World and Raekwon. We need albums that we know were going be talking about now and 5-10 years down the line. Someone needs to just shake shit up, hasnt been done really since, I hate saying this, Em and The Marshal Mathers Lp


Be is the one album this year that seemed to be accepted by both true hip hop fans and mainstream fans. It debuted at #2, but the problem with that is is that it got a lot of attention for the mere fact that Kanye West prouduced 9 of the 11 songs, rather than the fact that it was Common's first TRUE album since Like Water For Chocolate.

[g-mile7]

Be is the one album this year that seemed to be accepted by both true hip hop fans and mainstream fans. It debuted at #2, but the problem with that is is that it got a lot of attention for the mere fact that Kanye West prouduced 9 of the 11 songs, rather than the fact that it was Common's first TRUE album since Like Water For Chocolate.


you are so dead on with that but I also think the fact Kanye produced so many tracks was a good thing, I reall cant hear The Food or Corners lyrics on anything other then Kanye's shit. They both made that lp a legit classic contender

[g-mile7]

tt5b is ok, but unlike other bboys albums- it doesn't age well.

hip hop needed "encore" to not suck, by the way.


it also needed the new tribe called quest album. speaking of, what the FUCK happened to that?



it really was a let down. (n)

[Mr Films]

hip hop needs LATE REGISTRATION!

aug 30, fuckos

[g-mile7]

hip hop needs LATE REGISTRATION!

aug 30, fuckos


this will either be a defining moment for hip-hop (killing any hataz perceptions on Kanye as a lyricst/producers) or be more ammo to kill it and him. It takes alot of balls to drop an album afetr the one he did (College Dropout and all the success it got both critcally and commerically) so soon, alot of balls. That dude knows he the shit in his eyes and I aint amd at that long as the music is legit


ps: also double hyped for it after the original and refreshing Diamonds vid directed by Hype Williams

[SobaViolence]

i think another Blackstar album could deliver...because mos and talib kweli both seem a little more accepted now. and they need to bounce back from weak albums...


i wish Del and Blackalicious would blow up. MF Doom could shake shit up too.

maybe the next J5 album could be great, too. that'd be a nice change. not just average.

[cj hood]

eminem sucks, tupac's overrated....if Biggie was alive today, p*shitty would be havin him do BurgerKing commericals.......top40 killed the ultimate crews like epmd, tcq, de la, etc etc....

hiphop shoulda signed cj hood 10 years ago.....word to big bird!

[g-mile7]

eminem sucks, tupac's overrated....if Biggie was alive today, p*shitty would be havin him do BurgerKing commericals.......top40 killed the ultimate crews like epmd, tcq, de la, etc etc....

hiphop shoulda signed cj hood 10 years ago.....word to big bird!



people like you.......have no idea at all.

[g-mile7]

i think another Blackstar album could deliver...because mos and talib kweli both seem a little more accepted now. and they need to bounce back from weak albums...


i wish Del and Blackalicious would blow up. MF Doom could shake shit up too.

maybe the next J5 album could be great, too. that'd be a nice change. not just average.


I really think MF Doom could as well after all he did get a pretty decent article bout him put in XXL as one of the main features, but Blackstar would be good but I really dont think that Mos/Talib can take it back to that style of hip-hop, not after what I heard by them


It's Dark and Hell Is Hot~DMX

[Monsieur Decuts]

What hip hop really needs is to disassociate itself from the hustle and remember its all about positive change.

What I REALLY think hip hop needs is an intellegent fan base. One that understands what its about and shops accordingly....not just giving fucking 50 millions of dollars so he can perpetuate the exact personna thats killing hip hop not to mention the self respect of thousands of fans. Hip Hop needs to bitch slap 75% of its posse' and tell it to run somewhere else, they're not welcome on this block.

If you have all Eminem's and 50's record collection, but you don't have one KRS-Album then please help yourself to the next step on the escalator to nowhere.

[cj hood]

people like you.......have no idea at all.


i doubt that.....i've studied hiphop for the last 20 years my man....the eminem product sucks.....tupac was ok....just cuz your dead doesn't make you better!

[g-mile7]

What hip hop really needs is to disassociate itself from the hustle and remember its all about positive change.

What I REALLY think hip hop needs is an intellegent fan base. One that understands what its about and shops accordingly....not just giving fucking 50 millions of dollars so he can perpetuate the exact personna thats killing hip hop not to mention the self respect of thousands of fans. Hip Hop needs to bitch slap 75% of its posse' and tell it to run somewhere else, they're not welcome on this block.

If you have all Eminem's and 50's record collection, but you don't have one KRS-Album then please help yourself to the next step on the escalator to nowhere.


you speak truth, however, with all forms of music you will get idiots, a fact of life. Country you get the racist red necks rock you get either the poser punk/emo kids or the goth megadeath suck on the goats blood type of fans who will swear that the music they eharing is the shit. But the need to push more rap like you are suggesting is needed, the industry needs record companies (more likely independent) to step up to the plate and change the Game. The reason I listed STakes is High as one of my first choices was impart that the album was an attack on the mainstream hip-hop of that time which is still present almost 10 years later. De La Soul had the guts to make a recrod that explosive and from the rumors I hear it cost them (didnt someone get beat down from that group because of it Auton?) but seriously we need just something that makes an impact...or at least to see an artist that actaully can express his thoughts clear in both interviews and on wax. The game need to be changed inside and out but aint nobody got the balls to do it. Thought Mos Def was going do it then all of a sudden I see him doing a Denali commerical. Nas does a gateorade commerical but will cap on Jigga for being "too mainstream" even though Rocafella and Jigga were undergorund/independent b4 they blew up. The game needs another Rocafella, only one that will keep it grit all the way through. I say Me Against the World by Pac for the simple fact of it diversity and verstlity, and the fact it shows Pac as both poet/lyricist ( and I feel many enjoy it the most due in part it is VERY New York style in terms of production and flow), thats was missing in the game. And no matter how overated some hataz might say he is, theres no doubt bout that lp's or even All Eyez on me (although it might be too west coast for the majority of "real" hip-hop heads or Makaveli is needed, just a change is needed, something that impacts both rap fans and artist

[g-mile7]

i doubt that.....i've studied hiphop for the last 20 years my man....the eminem product sucks.....tupac was ok....just cuz your dead doesn't make you better!


you come in my thread and try and trun it into a discussion of overtaed/underrated. Thats not the thread's title, you want that find Cosmo old thread with many people who fele the same you do. I've studied Pac's music and life more in depth then any of you on this board. I know that for a fact. Just cause you dead? The man was already on top of the game with All Eyez on Me people forget this. Already had 6 (7 if you count the double) Cds done in his lifetime. Dont talk to me about 2pac being overated casue thats a battle none of you will win. Again you brought it up to try and shake up shit in my thread, you wanna think Pac is overated fine, but take your ass to the proper thread.

[cj hood]

If you have all Eminem's and 50's record collection, but you don't have one KRS-Album then please help yourself to the next step on the escalator to nowhere.


knowledge reigns supreme MD......well done!

[cj hood]

you come in my thread and try and trun it into a discussion of overtaed/underrated. Thats not the thread's title, you want that find Cosmo old thread with many people who fele the same you do. I've studied Pac's music and life more in depth then any of you on this board. I know that for a fact. Just cause you dead? The man was already on top of the game with All Eyez on Me people forget this. Already had 6 (7 if you count the double) Cds done in his lifetime. Dont talk to me about 2pac being overated casue thats a battle none of you will win. Again you brought it up to try and shake up shit in my thread, you wanna think Pac is overated fine, but take your ass to the proper thread.


true hiphop is NOT about guns, violence, drugs, negativity, bling and crime.....i was down with pac since the DU days.....i bought the first tape.....i love 'brenda gotta baby'.....but i think his connection with Suge and the nonsense outside of this music clouded his hiphop persona...

[g-mile7]

true hiphop is NOT about guns, violence, drugs, negativity, bling and crime.....i was down with pac since the DU days.....i bought the first tape.....i love 'brenda gotta baby'.....but i think his connection with Suge and the nonsense outside of this music clouded his hiphop persona...


true. I agree with you but a rumor about this is the fact that Pac didnt want to do alot of the shit that was on All Eyez on Me, but the fact it was Suge and Deathrow made him take on that persona. The fact is though the only violence Pac talks bout is either him getting shot or death to his "rivals", in the lyrical sense. 2pac never rapped just bout violence like a 50 cent has. I dont see what isnt postive bout White Manz World, Krazy, Heaven Aint Hard 2 Find, I Aint Mad At Cha, and party songs like All Bout U and California Love which dont feature any lyrics about negativity. Ture hip-hop is not bringing the communtiy down, but many just get lost in this whole "Thuglife" persona Pac used to get people to listen to his voice. Wonder Why they Call You Bitch on All Eyez on Me is lyrcially a good/storytelling song, even though the title might suggest something else, if you listen to the song you realize that in a sense it is a Brenda's Got a Baby pt 2. But yep Suge did make it hard to do the msuic he wanted to do (thus the reason Makaveli, done in 3 days mixed in 7, sounds completley diffrent then All Eyez on Me sort of a mix between AEOM and MATW). But the fact is this: if 2pac wasnt a westcoast known artist (even though his style was transcended and used both sides) and didnt pick a fight with Biggie (not New York like many spin it shit he had Method Man and Redman on his All Eyez on Me record in the heat of the war) and MTV/BET hip-hop fans (aka suburbian white boys) didnt jock him like Em...I really dont think we'd be having this discussion about if he's overated.










But again this is off topic:


NWA~Str8 out of Compton
O.G. Original Gangster ~Ice-T
Power~Ice-T

[cj hood]

true. I agree with you but a rumor about this is the fact that Pac didnt want to do alot of the shit that was on All Eyez on Me, but the fact it was Suge and Deathrow made him take on that persona. The fact is though the only violence Pac talks bout is either him getting shot or death to his "rivals", in the lyrical sense. 2pac never rapped just bout violence like a 50 cent has. I dont see what isnt postive bout White Manz World, Krazy, Heaven Aint Hard 2 Find, I Aint Mad At Cha, and party songs like All Bout U and California Love which dont feature any lyrics about negativity. Ture hip-hop is not bringing the communtiy down, but many just get lost in this whole "Thuglife" persona Pac used to get people to listen to his voice. Wonder Why they Call You Bitch on All Eyez on Me is lyrcially a good/storytelling song, even though the title might suggest something else, if you listen to the song you realize that in a sense it is a Brenda's Got a Baby pt 2. But yep Suge did make it hard to do the msuic he wanted to do (thus the reason Makaveli, done in 3 days mixed in 7, sounds completley diffrent then All Eyez on Me sort of a mix between AEOM and MATW). But the fact is this: if 2pac wasnt a westcoast known artist (even though his style was transcended and used both sides) and didnt pick a fight with Biggie (not New York like many spin it shit he had Method Man and Redman on his All Eyez on Me record in the heat of the war) and MTV/BET hip-hop fans (aka suburbian white boys) didnt jock him like Em...I really dont think we'd be having this discussion about if he's overated.










But again this is off topic:


NWA~Str8 out of Compton
O.G. Original Gangster ~Ice-T
Power~Ice-T

fair enough.....you know more about 'pac then i do......but i use middle school kids as my guage......if i see a bunch of 11 year old with tupac shirts and chains on.......i steer clear of that artist........this method's not fool proof.....but it's pretty accurate.......you're not seein little kids sportin Rakim gear....

[Monsieur Decuts]

see this is what i'm saying though...i'm so sure hip hop NEEDS another anything..it think its all out there.

people just need to grab on to the Peanut Butter Wolfs - My viny weighs a ton...or that first Rasco album. They need to find the gemssssss. Its gotta be up to the fans to seeeek out good hip hop...its out there! Don't wait for it to be shoved in your face. Luckily this is starting to work for MF Doom...after like 15 years in the hustle. More cats need to put in work like him and know that one day good art will speak for itself and you will make money..instead of selling out from day one.

I wish that artists gave back more and that when they started their own labels its not just to give people who are going to be cut from the same mold a break.

Just give me one Hip Hop album from the Bomb Squad...just one!

[Monsieur Decuts]

people should be droooooling over the Koushik remixes of Madvillian...but where's the hype?

[adam_f]

Originally posted by Monsieur Decuts
people just need to grab on to the Peanut Butter Wolfs - My viny weighs a ton...or that first Rasco album. Its gotta be up to the fans to seeeek out good hip hop...its out there! Don't wait for it to be shoved in your face.

That's just not possible. Not everyone has access to find the really true hip hop albums. Most of the people I know buy cd's at the mall, at Best Buy, or at any retail store. They don't go to the record store that actually sells RECORDS along with cd's. The retailers don't sell these kind of albums.

Yeah, Best Buy had Common's 'Be' for 11 bucks when I bought it. But they didn't have 'Resurrection' or 'Can I Borrow A Dollar?' They didn't have them because it seems a large portion of the listening public thought the single 'Go!' was his first single. They didn't know that 'Dollar?' came out in the mid-90's. Same goes with Outkast. A lot of people thought that Stankonia was the first album, even though they had been recording for seven years.

It's not unfair to blame retailers for the partial decline in hip hop. They carry what MTV, BET, or any of the channels show. And that is really unfortunate.

[cj hood]

i liked Common on the Stakes Is High....so i bought his cd....the one with 'i used to love her'......but i wasn't feelin it......maybe i should give it another listen....

[Monsieur Decuts]

That's just not possible. Not everyone has access to find the really true hip hop albums. Most of the people I know buy cd's at the mall, at Best Buy, or at any retail store. They don't go to the record store that actually sells RECORDS along with cd's. The retailers don't sell these kind of albums.


And here lies the problem.

The public is putting their own music tastes in the hands of those who wish to shove their own agenda down the throats of the waiting masses.

You need to take control of your record collection. If you are a fan, you'll find the music...today is the day of the internet...downloading....online record stores. Shieet I grew up in the woods of Canada and still had imports coming my way...sure it took 2 months to get there.

[g-mile7]

That's just not possible. Not everyone has access to find the really true hip hop albums. Most of the people I know buy cd's at the mall, at Best Buy, or at any retail store. They don't go to the record store that actually sells RECORDS along with cd's. The retailers don't sell these kind of albums.

Yeah, Best Buy had Common's 'Be' for 11 bucks when I bought it. But they didn't have 'Resurrection' or 'Can I Borrow A Dollar?' They didn't have them because it seems a large portion of the listening public thought the single 'Go!' was his first single. They didn't know that 'Dollar?' came out in the mid-90's. Same goes with Outkast. A lot of people thought that Stankonia was the first album, even though they had been recording for seven years.

It's not unfair to blame retailers for the partial decline in hip hop. They carry what MTV, BET, or any of the channels show. And that is really unfortunate.



might have to go on amazon.com if it comes that hard to get his first lp "borrow a dollar"

[g-mile7]

fair enough.....you know more about 'pac then i do......but i use middle school kids as my guage......if i see a bunch of 11 year old with tupac shirts and chains on.......i steer clear of that artist........this method's not fool proof.....but it's pretty accurate.......you're not seein little kids sportin Rakim gear....



well the fact of the matter is you really can't hold it aganist the artist if lil suburbin kids be feelin there music, it's all about the trends/peer pressure. Just look at 50 b4 aftermath/shady/inetrscope and after, underground heads were jockin him then when he blew up and start to milk it for whats its worth people started shitting on him even though songs like Many Men and Ryda Music were top notch', only song he hasnt gotten grief for recently is Hate it or Love it, lets hope he leans towards this side a lil more next lp, like him or not, he really does have the power to change the game if he ever gets tired of just making money off bullshit he knows kids going scoop up like crack

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

To save hip hop, you need the elements that made it excellent to become popular again. Such as pride from where your from, or who has the best rhymes. Unfortunately what makes it popular today is ice, rims, courvosier, pot, and hoes.

Not exactly what hip hop was founded on.

I would like to see A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, etc. drop some new albums, and gain in popularity.

Kanye West, Jurassic 5, Outkast etc....there is good hip hop being made, you just gotta know where to look for it.

Also, a brand new act would breath some life back into the game...another Biz Markie perhaps? :D

[Auton]

while i do appreciate Be, and think it's a good album... ya gotta admit... it is kind of boring...

[DroppinScience]

You need to take control of your record collection. If you are a fan, you'll find the music...today is the day of the internet...downloading....online record stores. Shieet I grew up in the woods of Canada and still had imports coming my way...sure it took 2 months to get there.

100% agree here. I always try and march to the beat of my own drum when it comes to musical taste and NOT because of what is "dictated" to the masses.

[popcorn girl]

what about shinehead? his was one of the best from the late 80's/90's

[cj hood]

what about shinehead? his was one of the best from the late 80's/90's


sidewalk university? you must be joking!

[grooveboy]

boo yaa tribe-new funky nation
eric b and rakim-paid in full
bestie boys-ill communicaton

[g-mile7]

To save hip hop, you need the elements that made it excellent to become popular again. Such as pride from where your from, or who has the best rhymes. Unfortunately what makes it popular today is ice, rims, courvosier, pot, and hoes.

Not exactly what hip hop was founded on.

I would like to see A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, etc. drop some new albums, and gain in popularity.

Kanye West, Jurassic 5, Outkast etc....there is good hip hop being made, you just gotta know where to look for it.

Also, a brand new act would breath some life back into the game...another Biz Markie perhaps? :D



Eric B.&Rakim~Follow The Leader
Kanye West (yep thats right)~College Dropout (only without so many whack skits)
or Busta Rhymes(crazy WOO HAA Busta not give to me singing Busta)/ODB if we going go with disciples of the Biz

[adam_f]

Big Boi- Speakerboxxx
Talib Kweli- The Beautiful Struggle (the 5 best songs could dominate any other album that came out in 04)
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick- MC Ricky D

[g-mile7]

Big Boi- Speakerboxxx
Talib Kweli- The Beautiful Struggle (the 5 best songs could dominate any other album that came out in 04)
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick- MC Ricky D



I didnt like Beautiful Struggle too much, seems like he tried to be too mainstream, Quality was really good

[adam_f]

Originally posted by g-mile7
I didnt like Beautiful Struggle too much, seems like he tried to be too mainstream, Quality was really good

Just the opposite for me. I thought 'Get By' 'Shock Body' and 'Guerilla Monsoon Rap' were the only great songs on an otherwise decent cd.

I didn't dig Beautiful Struggle too much at first either, but it's starting to grow on me a lot. Plus, he's reuniting with Hi-Tek for another Reflection Eternal (http://www.hiphopgalaxy.com/talib-kweli-mos-def-hi-tek-new-projects-article2314.html) album.

[g-mile7]

Just the opposite for me. I thought 'Get By' 'Shock Body' and 'Guerilla Monsoon Rap' were the only great songs on an otherwise decent cd.

I didn't dig Beautiful Struggle too much at first either, but it's starting to grow on me a lot. Plus, he's reuniting with Hi-Tek for another Reflection Eternal (http://www.hiphopgalaxy.com/talib-kweli-mos-def-hi-tek-new-projects-article2314.html) album.


this is what I've been talking/waiting for...this should be really good, Hi-Tek's production has grown leaps and bounds since his early Rawkus days. The only good song on 50 Cent's new lp is produced by him "Ryda Music", I sense good things from this...and sure the mighty Mos will bless a couple of tracks as well

[adam_f]

Originally posted by g-mile7
this is what I've been talking/waiting for...this should be really good, Hi-Tek's production has grown leaps and bounds since his early Rawkus days. The only good song on 50 Cent's new lp is produced by him "Ryda Music", I sense good things from this...and sure the mighty Mos will bless a couple of tracks as well

I just found my copy of Train of Thought, and I'm amazed at the guest artists. Mos, De La, Xzibit, Kool G Rap, Rah Digga, hell even Tek dropped a verse on 'The Blast'

This is the album which COULD revitalize hip hop.

[g-mile7]

I just found my copy of Train of Thought, and I'm amazed at the guest artists. Mos, De La, Xzibit, Kool G Rap, Rah Digga, hell even Tek dropped a verse on 'The Blast'

This is the album which COULD revitalize hip hop.


if it's anything like his recent produced tracks shoot...he got the heat, Im really itrigued to see how Mos' cd does, which direction he will lean towards. This really is his make or break cd, becasue although New Danger was a cvrtical smash, many fans felt that the rock music wasnt good, at all, and the fact that it seemed like Mos was too scared to just release a whole rock cd(like Andre released a majority sung cd with Love Below except for Roses/verse off Spread), instead of half and half. The title is some crazy shit though

[adam_f]

Originallyp posted by g-mile7
if it's anything like his recent produced tracks shoot...he got the heat, Im really itrigued to see how Mos' cd does, which direction he will lean towards. This really is his make or break cd, becasue although New Danger was a cvrtical smash, many fans felt that the rock music wasnt good, at all, and the fact that it seemed like Mos was too scared to just release a whole rock cd(like Andre released a majority sung cd with Love Below except for Roses/verse off Spread), instead of half and half. The title is some crazy shit though

A cd that contains a rock song like 'Zimzallabim' and a Kanye West produced slow jam 'Sunshine' doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. In my mind, if he wanted to flaunt his rock/singing skills, then a Black Jack Johnson cd should be in order. The rock songs were the downfall of the album.

I've always preferred Speakerboxxx to the Love Below, but that's not to say that Love Below wasn't a good cd. What I liked better about Love Below is that it took HUGE chances lyrically and stylewise. It seemed like on New Danger, Mos tried to experiment, but he also wanted to play it safe with tracks like 'Sunshine' One or the other is what I'm saying, I guess.

[g-mile7]

A cd that contains a rock song like 'Zimzallabim' and a Kanye West produced slow jam 'Sunshine' doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. In my mind, if he wanted to flaunt his rock/singing skills, then a Black Jack Johnson cd should be in order. The rock songs were the downfall of the album.
I've always preferred Speakerboxxx to the Love Below, but that's not to say that Love Below wasn't a good cd. What I liked better about Love Below is that it took HUGE chances lyrically and stylewise. It seemed like on New Danger, Mos tried to experiment, but he also wanted to play it safe with tracks like 'Sunshine' One or the other is what I'm saying, I guess.


well he showed off his singing skills on Black on Both Sides and it worked (Umi Saids) but you are dead on with everything you've said, thus futher proving that unlike some people on here you know your damn music

[adam_f]

Originally posted by g-mile7
well he showed off his singing skills on Black on Both Sides and it worked (Umi Saids) but you are dead on with everything you've said, thus futher proving that unlike some people on here you know your damn music


Thanks man. Appreciate it. Seems like people who know music like us are pretty far between on here.

There's a reason why Mos hosts Def POETRY Jam. He's poet who knows how to speak on a track. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather hear him sing than listening to Xzibit and Busta sing 'Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go' or some shit, but there's a specific place.

On a completely irrelevant note, more people shoulda got Will Smith's new album. It's got some hot shit on it. His best album ever (including Fresh Prince)

[g-mile7]

Thanks man. Appreciate it. Seems like people who know music like us are pretty far between on here.

There's a reason why Mos hosts Def POETRY Jam. He's poet who knows how to speak on a track. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather hear him sing than listening to Xzibit and Busta sing 'Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go' or some shit, but there's a specific place.

On a completely irrelevant note, more people shoulda got Will Smith's new album. It's got some hot shit on it. His best album ever (including Fresh Prince)


I heard that AND he had a top 10 hit with Switch, good for Will OG fo sho with LL and BEasties, but yea heard it was good because he takes off the kiddie gloves a lil on it, still dont swear, but the rhymes are more "real" I hear. But yes if some shit like Liquid Swords was dropped man, thats the shit, one of the most underated in terms of it's story telling and the fact that the album has the same mood throughout, Rza flow on 4th Chamber is insane


thanx for the props fo sho, consider yourself hooked up with my new lp inded for free (unless you want to donate the 5.oo I usally charge hahahaha)

[Kid Presentable]

Masta Killa-No Said Date.