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Ali
07-28-2005, 06:43 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1537457,00.html

Jean Charles de Menezes, the Brazilian shot dead in the head, was not wearing a heavy jacket that might have concealed a bomb, and did not jump the ticket barrier when challenged by armed plainclothes police, his cousin said yesterday.
Speaking at a press conference after a meeting with the Metropolitan police, Vivien Figueiredo, 22, said that the first reports of how her 27-year-old cousin had come to be killed in mistake for a suicide bomber on Friday at Stockwell tube station were wrong.

"He used a travel card," she said. "He had no bulky jacket, he was wearing a jeans jacket. But even if he was wearing a bulky jacket that wouldn't be an excuse to kill him."
Flanked by the de Menezes family's solicitor, Gareth Peirce, and by Bianca Jagger, the anti-Iraq war campaigner, she condemned the shoot-to-kill policy which had led to her cousin's death and vowed that what she called the "crime" would not go unpunished.

"My cousin was an honest and hard working person," said Ms Figueiredo who shared a flat with him in Tulse Hill, south London. "Although we are living in circumstances similar to a war, we should not be exterminating people unjustly."

Another cousin, Patricia da Silva Armani, 21, said he was in Britain legally to work and study, giving him no reason to fear the police. "An innocent man has been killed as though he was a terrorist," she said. "An incredibly grave error was committed by the British police."

Mr de Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder at 10am last Friday after being followed from Tulse Hill. Scotland Yard initially claimed he wore a bulky jacket and jumped the barrier when police identified themselves and ordered him to stop. The same day the Met commissioner, Sir Ian Blair, said the shooting was "directly linked" to the unprecedented anti-terror operation on London's streets.

The following day Sir Ian apologised when detectives established that the Brazilian electrician, on his way to a job in north-west London, was not connected to attempts to blow up three underground trains and a bus in the capital.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission has began an inquiry which is expected to take several months. Yesterday it emerged one armed officer involved has been given leave, and two have been moved to non-firearm duties. Ms Figuerdo condemned Sir Ian's decision to authorise the leave, saying she wanted to see the man who shot her cousin, and he should be in jail.

The body of Mr de Menezes is being flown to Brazil tonight for a funeral tomorrow. Simultaneously, a memorial service will be held at Westminster Cathedral, with TV coverage beamed live to Brazil.

Ms Peirce condemned Sir Ian's statements on the case, saying there had been a "regrettable rush to judgment".

She was astonished that the phrase "shoot to kill" was being used as if it was a legitimate legal term; the family would demand "transparency" both as to the facts of what had happened and on the policy.

She added that the family were ready to cooperate with the complaints body, and she saw no reason for delay: "They know what their questions are and we see no reasons why they should not be answered. :eek:

They made it up.

He was shot to death on SUSPICION alone.

And the shot to kill policy remains.

Why do I feel like we're living in a 2000AD comic, with Judge Dredd roaming the streets?

Michelle*s_Farm
07-28-2005, 07:55 AM
:eek:

They made it up.

He was shot to death on SUSPICION alone.

And the shot to kill policy remains.

Why do I feel like we're living in a 2000AD comic, with Judge Dredd roaming the streets?

You're right, I think we may be. Our own governments take away our freedoms and security under the guise of helping us. It is a sad fact of history that only a few people recognize that the self-deception of our political leaders is in service of deceit.

Documad
07-28-2005, 09:20 AM
I think that once all the facts come out, if they do, it will be an eye-opener to a lot of people.

I'm a bit confused about this being something new though. What exactly is the "shoot to kill" policy? When was it started? Who started it? And what does it say? Because Brits shot unarmed alleged terrorists a long time ago, right? And detained suspected terrorists for long periods of time? Because the class I went to on US tactics at gitmo was a comparison between the old British practices and the ones the US was using now.

I am glad when anyone takes an interest in human rights and privacy rights. I'm just thinking that maybe we didn't have as many freedoms before 9/11 as many people think.


Sidenote: Why did the family have to bring Bianca Jagger? Who thought that was a good idea?

Ali
07-28-2005, 09:33 AM
Sidenote: Why did the family have to bring Bianca Jagger? Who thought that was a good idea?Publicity :rolleyes:

Documad
07-28-2005, 10:14 AM
I guess what constitute a potential terrorist changes over time. For a while it was small white guys with bad haircuts. Quite some time ago it was black men with afros (my friend's husband used to fit the terrorist profile at the airport--which was badly out of date).

I'd sure hate to be a cop now. Or an ethnic young man.


A few months after 9/11, I was in San Francisco drinking coffee with a friend and I was pointing through the window of the cafe to show her what a Vietnamese sandwich looks like. I didn't notice that there was a young guy in the store at all. He came out and said that he was sorry to frighten me. I had no idea what he was talking about. It started this long discussion during which he couldn't believe that we have Vietnamese people (and food) in St. Paul. The thing is that I never figured out what his ethnic group even was but I was so glad he approached me and I think of him often. It must suck to walk around thinking that people view you with fear.

Ali
07-29-2005, 02:23 AM
Kill, don't Stun. (http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4726485.stm)

Using a stun gun on a suspected suicide bomber was an "incredible risk", Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair has said.
Police said a Taser device was used during the arrest of the 21 July failed Tube bombings suspect Yasin Hassan Omar in Birmingham on Wednesday.

Sir Ian said such action was not "policy" but the officers may have made sure there was no bomb present.

"The Taser itself could have set it off," he told the BBC.

The remarks were made on a special Questions of Security programme on BBC One.

Sir Ian was answering questions about why his officers shot dead a Brazilian man in London who was wrongly suspected of being a suicide bomber.

Expired visa

Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, was shot at Stockwell Tube station on 22 July.


On Thursday, the Home Office said his visa had expired two years before he was shot by police. A passport stamp apparently giving him indefinite leave to remain "was not in use" on that date, added officials.

The Home Office said it wished to end speculation over his immigration status but said the statement was not intended to influence any investigations.

Mr Menezes will be buried in his home town of Gonzaga in the south-east of Brazil on Friday.

No option

The Metropolitan Police Commissioner said he was "devastated" for Mr Menezes' family but his officers had been left with no choice but to open fire.

"Despite everything that's been said here, there is only one way to stop someone who is a suicide bomber which is to kill that person," Sir Ian said.

"Anything else that happens - unless you can persuade them in an open space to undress - everything else allows the shot to go home but the bomb to go off."

Sir Ian said using a Taser in such a situation was "not an option".

"We use Tasers in London regularly but a Taser sends electric currents into the body of somebody," he said.

"If there is a bomb on that body, then the bomb is going to go off.

"It may have been that they [officers in Birmingham] were clear there wasn't a bomb. I don't know what the situation was."

More Armed Police (http://news.ft.com/cms/s/e248c538-ff9c-11d9-86df-00000e2511c8.html#)

The strain of the London bombings investigation on the Metropolitan police was revealed yesterday when Sir Ian Blair, its commissioner, said more firearms officers were needed.


On the day when thousands of officers were deployed at stations and main public places across London, Sir Ian admitted that the 31,000-strong force was stretched, and that there were some “very tired faces” around Scotland Yard. The bill for the police operation is running at £500,000 a day since July 7, Sir Ian told the Metropolitan Police Authority.

He said Londoners should expect a greater uniformed police presence on the streets but more money was needed to continue the anti-terrorist investigation as well as cope with regular duties across the capital.

Sir Ian said: “We will have to strengthen, in the next year, the firearms capability of the Metropolitan police. It is not in any sense inadequate but we have to give people rest.”So much for learning from your mistakes... don't run on the platform!!! (especially if you look a bit foreign).