So listen to this situation...

[DandyFop]

I am supposed to go on a date tonight with this guy, we'll call him Guy. We met on Yahoo Personals (yes, I'm pathetic, hilarious), and talked for a while. I don't really talk to many people unless I'm really interested, and so far he seemed really great, nice, funny, all the good stuff. He kinda dropped the bomb on me a week or so ago that he's bisexual, which is a little strange for me just because I've never been with a man that was bi, and I'm not sure about being with someone who finds men attractive also. But whatever, I'm willing to give it a shot since he seems really cool and all that.

He adds me to Myspace a few days ago and I see that he is friends with a gay friend of mine, who we'll call Gay. I say "oh you know Gay", and he kinda goes "oh haha, yeah we dated recently". Whoah, little weird. Should have asked what recently meant then, probably. I've never gone out with a friend's ex or anything, especially in the bisexual situation thing.

I talk to my friend Heidi and I say, I'm going on a date and you'll never believe who he dated before - Gay. She says "what's his name?" and I say "Guy!". She goes "Wait, Gay is still dating Guy". So she calls Gay and asks him how things are going with Guy. He says, well I think it might be over, and I'm sad about it.

Wait a minute here. I can't date Guy if my friend Gay just barely broke it off with him. I talk to Guy about it and he says that Gay never seemed serious about it anyway, but to me that doesn't really matter. I don't want to hurt my friend Gay (plus, actually, I'm hoping to not like Guy because I kinda got something else going on that I'd rather pursue). I've been telling Guy this, but he's kind of insistent that it's not a big deal. I said, in the end, I'm faithful to my friend Gay, so if it's gonna hurt him, I'm out.

Comments? Opinions? anything? What would you feel about dating someone bisexual (I can imagine the men's responses)

[adam_f]

Originally posted by Tungtvann
His penis has been in other men's asses. How about that?

[DandyFop]

Yeah I realize that. But some guy's penises have been in chick's asses. Not a big difference.

[adam_f]

A penis should not be up a man's ass.

[wanton wench]

His penis has been in other men's asses. How about that?

that just so turned me off! :eek:
if i were you dandyfop after reading just this one post i would call him and tell him i cant date him!

[CiaoBellaXO]

just dont go down on him.

[TAL]

(I can imagine the men's responses)
And you were correct.


Is Gay the one we had Chinese food with?

[Echewta]

Just because you are going out on date with him, doesn't mean sxe all night. Go have some fun and see how it goes. Its not a big deal to him so don't have it be a big deal to you :)

[marsdaddy]

Go on the date. Have fun.

Things will work themselves out.

Don't have sex on the first date!

[Qdrop]

gay guy
guy gay


what a phonetically superb story.

[DandyFop]

Nobody's really responding to the "he dated my friend who I think still likes him" issue. I can't talk to my friend right now cause he's out of town. I don't really care that he's Bi, I care about the friend thing.

[DandyFop]

And you were correct.


Is Gay the one we had Chinese food with?

Yes!

[adam_f]

Do what you want to do. You only live once. If Gay has a problem with it, it's Gay's problem.

[TAL]

Yes!
Be nice to him. I like him because of his connection to Finland ;)

[marsdaddy]

Nobody's really responding to the "he dated my friend who I think still likes him" issue. I can't talk to my friend right now cause he's out of town. I don't really care that he's Bi, I care about the friend thing.
Go on the date. Have fun.

Things will work themselves out.

Don't have sex on the first date!

[wanton wench]

Don't have sex on the first date!

what about the 2nd or the 3rd....... :eek: sorry but i dont think i would be able to. i would be sitting across the table at dinner imagineing(sp?) him with another guy. and it would be worse if the other guy was my friend. but dates are fun just make it a friend date. (y)

[marsdaddy]

what about the 2nd or the 3rd....... :eek: sorry but i dont think i would be able to. i would be sitting across the table at dinner imagineing(sp?) him with another guy. and it would be worse if the other guy was my friend. but dates are fun just make it a friend date. (y)It really depends on how the first date goes, I bet.

So, do you ask all your dates whether they've had a homosexual encounter?

[CiaoBellaXO]

I had a guy ask me last night how many times we need to hang out before we have sex....I laughed...and thought it was a pretty funny pick up line.

[wanton wench]

It really depends on how the first date goes, I bet.

So, do you ask all your dates whether they've had a homosexual encounter?
no but knowing ahead of time plus it being with a friend........it would just bother me!

[Echewta]

I had a guy ask me last night how many times we need to hang out before we have sex....I laughed...and thought it was a pretty funny pick up line.
Yea, but you still never answered the question. The laughing hurt. :(

[ms.peachy]

Why don't you just explain the situation to Gay, and ask him how he feels about it? If he's OK with it, go on the date. If he's a little freaked, then tell Guy that look, you think he's pretty cool and would like to stay in touch and maybe with a little time you two might get it together, but for right now it's more important to you to be a good friend.

[beastieangel01]

be faithful to your friend Gay

(y)

[ms.peachy]

Jeez, I had no idea that there were so many people on this board who were so hostile about homosexuality.

It makes me rather a bit :(

[Echewta]

Its just them expressing their internal conflict.

[Auton]

don't date him just yet, because it might seem kind of sheisty to your gay friend.

[Dr Deaf]

the bisexual element can be eliminated of the start. if it was a girl friend of yours that recently dated Guy, it'd be inappropriate.

the same applies in this situation. it's about respect and honour.


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[paul jones]

just go see him Barb.Maybe you'll just hit it off as friends if nothing else

[Echewta]

Maybe he will pay for everything which would be wicked hot.

[RobMoney]

Aimee has a lot of gay friends.

I would never date any of them out of respect to her.

[paul jones]

Maybe he will pay for everything which would be wicked hot.

yeah,when you get there,looked shocked as you look in your bag and say 'OH SHIT! I forgot my purse!'

[DandyFop]

the bisexual element can be eliminated of the start. if it was a girl friend of yours that recently dated Guy, it'd be inappropriate.

the same applies in this situation. it's about respect and honour.


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I completely agree with this, but I get the impression from Guy that it wasn never serious.

Whatever, I'm gonna go on the date even thouh I don't want to, but I told him point blank that I'm going to talk to Gay about it (but I can't right now because he's out of town). I'm just gonna go since we made the plans a while ago.

This whole thing is just dumb.

[paul jones]

I completely agree with this, but I get the impression from Guy that it wasn never serious.

Whatever, I'm gonna go on the date even thouh I don't want to, but I told him point blank that I'm going to talk to Gay about it (but I can't right now because he's out of town). I'm just gonna go since we made the plans a while ago.

This whole thing is just dumb.

good for you Barbarella (y)

[Documad]

You crazy kids and all your tolerance for other lifestyles! That's super and it's great to be open and all that. I don't care who's been with who either. But I wouldn't want a good female friend of mine to date a bi guy.

I have a lot of gay friends. Among my gay friends, the consensus is that all men who call themselves "bi" are, in fact gay, and not ready to admit it publicly. I've had this conversation a bunch of times--last time was 9 days ago.

I also know two women who are clearly married to gay guys. I love gay guys, but I wouldn't want to fall romantically in love with one. ;)

I also wouldn't want to date my girlfriend's ex. It can work, but it can also be messy.

[mickill]

I didn't have to read past the first couple of sentences, but I did anyway. Um, you might not wanna give this too too much thought. Just see how it goes. Enjoy yourself. I'd avoid any fellatio until you've had a chance to sterilize that thing, though.

[marsdaddy]

I have a lot of gay friends. Among my gay friends, the consensus is that all men who call themselves "bi" are, in fact gay, and not ready to admit it publicly. I've had this conversation a bunch of times--last time was 9 days ago.So there you have it. A lot of gay friends and 9 days ago.

My consensus is men who call themselves bi like to have sex with anyone and everyone.

[Documad]

So there you have it. A lot of gay friends and 9 days ago.

My consensus is men who call themselves bi like to have sex with anyone and everyone.
Ignore my gay friends at your own risk. They're rarely wrong. :p

And I'm going to be even more super uncool and say that it can be dangerous to have sex with anyone and everyone and that a lot of young people who do tend to come with a lot of other baggage, all of which makes them less desirable as a potential loved one for someone I care about. I don't care who does what to whom, but I prefer for people I care about to make safer choices. So you've got me, I'm risk averse and uncool.

I think it's interesting that bisexual women tend to experiment and then settle down with men and bisexual men usually seem to have more and more sex with men. I guess it's to be expected.

[DandyFop]

why do you want to go out with this guy?

Cause he's nice and cool and we share a similar sense of humor, all that stuff.

Whatever, he'll be here in about 45 minutes. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

[afronaut]

haha, yahoo personals. you're so lame, man.

[zorra_chiflada]

Jeez, I had no idea that there were so many people on this board who were so hostile about homosexuality.

It makes me rather a bit :(

oh i noticed this too. i suppose on the internet you can be as much of a homophobic jerk as you want.

[Documad]

People are hostile to homosexuals everywhere. I've thought about starting a thread asking why. It seems like women care less than men. A lot of otherwise sensible men are almost afraid of them. It's what reelected Bush and it's going to do a lot more damage in the US before it's over.

[zorra_chiflada]

People are hostile to homosexuals everywhere. I've thought about starting a thread asking why. It seems like women care less than men. A lot of otherwise sensible men are almost afraid of them. It's what reelected Bush and it's going to do a lot more damage in the US before it's over.

i always used to think that this attitude was more of an american thing, but i came to realise that it is even stronger in australia.
australia is not the nice country everyone thinks it is. it's full of racists, homophobics, uneducated conservatives and other pieces of trash. think about that before coming here.

[GetYourWarOn]

I am supposed to go on a date tonight with this guy, we'll call him Guy. We met on Yahoo Personals (yes, I'm pathetic, hilarious), and talked for a while. I don't really talk to many people unless I'm really interested, and so far he seemed really great, nice, funny, all the good stuff. He kinda dropped the bomb on me a week or so ago that he's bisexual, which is a little strange for me just because I've never been with a man that was bi, and I'm not sure about being with someone who finds men attractive also. But whatever, I'm willing to give it a shot since he seems really cool and all that.

He adds me to Myspace a few days ago and I see that he is friends with a gay friend of mine, who we'll call Gay. I say "oh you know Gay", and he kinda goes "oh haha, yeah we dated recently". Whoah, little weird. Should have asked what recently meant then, probably. I've never gone out with a friend's ex or anything, especially in the bisexual situation thing.

I talk to my friend Heidi and I say, I'm going on a date and you'll never believe who he dated before - Gay. She says "what's his name?" and I say "Guy!". She goes "Wait, Gay is still dating Guy". So she calls Gay and asks him how things are going with Guy. He says, well I think it might be over, and I'm sad about it.

Wait a minute here. I can't date Guy if my friend Gay just barely broke it off with him. I talk to Guy about it and he says that Gay never seemed serious about it anyway, but to me that doesn't really matter. I don't want to hurt my friend Gay (plus, actually, I'm hoping to not like Guy because I kinda got something else going on that I'd rather pursue). I've been telling Guy this, but he's kind of insistent that it's not a big deal. I said, in the end, I'm faithful to my friend Gay, so if it's gonna hurt him, I'm out.

Comments? Opinions? anything? What would you feel about dating someone bisexual (I can imagine the men's responses)


date guy if it's something you really want to pursue. you can't live your life in fear of hurting your friend's feelings...plus you know gay men are always total drama queens, so who knows what the real story is between gay and guy. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[CrankItUp!]

A penis should not be up a man's ass.
Amen to that bro ! Homos are fucking disgusting and the shit is fucked the fuck up ! I don't praise homosexuals and I don't have ANY sympathy for them - AIDS KILLS FAGS DEAD !

[GetYourWarOn]

Amen to that bro ! Homos are fucking disgusting and the shit is fucked the fuck up ! I don't praise homosexuals and I don't have ANY sympathy for them - AIDS KILLS FAGS DEAD !


isn't there an abortion clinic you should be blowing up right now?

[CrankItUp!]

I'm Pro Choice about a woman's right to an abortion . I just don't tolerate fags.

[GetYourWarOn]

I'm Pro Choice about a woman's right to an abortion . I just don't tolerate fags.

lol. i don't follow your logic.

[DandyFop]

Well it was a pretty normal date. Nothing amazing, nothing horrible. Wedding Crashers is fucking hilarious. There was no awkward "should we hold hands" stuff, that I kinda enjoy yet hate.

He's just...him. I can't really picture him doing guys but apparently he does once in a while. Whatever.

Oh yeah - one part that was weird is we were talking about Mo Rocca cause he came to the school last year and I said something like "oh my god he's hot" and for a second I was really worried that he would agree with me. He didn't...but still, that would be strange.

[jabumbo]

you slut!

[buddylee]

You saw wedding crashers and no awkward , come on the old lady yelling homo, the gay art show

[DandyFop]

You saw wedding crashers and no awkward , come on the old lady yelling homo, the gay art show

No...cause...he's not a homo...?

[Loppfessor]

Didn’t feel like reading the whole thread so sorry if I’m repeating anything here. I don’t think the fact that he’s bi is that big a deal. The larger issue is what are your personal rules about dating a friend’s ex? I mean if “Gay” was one of your girlfriends and had just broken up with some dude she really liked would you go out with him??

[buddylee]

Once a cock sucker always a cock sucker.

1/2sugarloaf is still homo

[Dr Deaf]

Once a cock sucker always a cock sucker.

1/2sugarloaf is still homo


post of the day.

[Medellia]

Jeez, I had no idea that there were so many people on this board who were so hostile about homosexuality.It makes me rather a bitoh i noticed this too. i suppose on the internet you can be as much of a homophobic jerk as you want.
I don't think it's so much that they don't like gay people, but the sort of natural heterosexual male tendency to be a bit grossed out by man sex. All of the slightly homophobic comments I saw were by guys, so that's what I took it as. Bill Maher made an excellent point in his latest HBO special about it. He basically said that he has no problems with homosexuality and gay marriage, but he's disgusted by the thought of two men together. It would be nice if the guys would be a little less crude about it though.

I'd say don't get too involved just because of Gay. He's your friend and your friendship is more important. Of course, based on what you said about the date I don't think that's gonna happen. And if you donate blood regularly, it would not be a good idea to sleep with an actively bisexual man because you will be unable to do it for the rest of your life. Luckily I'm so scared of needles I nearly pass out at the sight of them (no, I've not slept with a boy that likes boys. I just almost did. :o )

[zorra_chiflada]

I don't think it's so much that they don't like gay people, but the sort of natural heterosexual male tendency to be a bit grossed out by man sex. All of the slightly homophobic comments I saw were by guys, so that's what I took it as. Bill Maher made an excellent point in his latest HBO special about it. He basically said that he has no problems with homosexuality and gay marriage, but he's disgusted by the thought of two men together. It would be nice if the guys would be a little less crude about it though.


well i wish that they'd just grow up and get the fuck over it.
homophobia is on the same par as the racial hate possessed by kkk members and neo-nazis, but it is completely acceptable. some aspects of society disgust me.

[Medellia]

well i wish that they'd just grow up and get the fuck over it.
homophobia is on the same par as the racial hate possessed by kkk members and neo-nazis, but it is completely acceptable. some aspects of society disgust me.
Yeah, I wish they would too. I guess they just can't get past the idea of kissing someone with a beard and taking it up the ass. Fellas, grow up.

[DandyFop]

Thank god for the internet, and talking to the guy you just barely went on a date with.

Not many sparks, but we think we could be great friends so we're just gonna go for that first, which also means I can give the other dude a whirl. yay!

[zorra_chiflada]

Yeah, I wish they would too. I guess they just can't get past the idea of kissing someone with a beard and taking it up the ass. Fellas, grow up.

guys that think like that are also the kind that treat women like shit. (n)

[Medellia]

guys that think like that are also the kind that treat women like shit. (n)
Not necessarily. My dad can't get over that stuff and he's a great guy. He knows it's wrong that he finds that kinda stuff icky, but he does anyway. Maybe it's an American thing. Maybe it's just a guy thing. I'd be interested in what some non-American men on the board would have to say about that.

[Rancid_Beasties]

What question am I supposed to answer? Fill me in on the argument (and no I dont mean fill me in in that way...I did read some of the thread :p)

[Medellia]

What question am I supposed to answer? Fill me in on the argument (and no I dont mean fill me in in that way...I did read some of the thread :p)
Heh, sorry. My bad. :o

Why are guys still somewhat hompohobic even though they know they shouldn't be? They might be for gay marriage, have gay friends, for gay adoptions, for total equal rights for gays, yet still be somewhat grossed out by gay men. Not so much gay men in general, just seeing them kiss or hearing about them having sex. Is this an American thing, or is it men in general? And if it's the latter, why?

[ms.peachy]

What I've learned from this thread is that there are some people who are so ignorant, my ignore list seems like the best possible place to store them.

[Rancid_Beasties]

Its definitely a worldwide thing, but I'm not one of those people. I know its a cliche but I have quite a few gay friends and I occasionally hear about their relationships and although they expect me to be a bit creeped out, I'm really not. I think its great that they find love wherever they find it. Plus I am not afraid to hug my gay friends, unlike some of my other friends who think it might mean something more to the gay friends than just a hug, in fact I am far more likely to because I know they wont get totally freaked out because of their masculinity and shit. Its strange because me and two friends, one whom is a strict catholic male, the other who is a really cool gay male, were talking about this the other day, and the fact that I was perfectly comfortable with talking about gay issues and such even moreso than my gay friend, especially in front of the Catholic friend who tends to be a little bit ignorant on some issues.

What this has to do with me not physically liking alot of hair on women, I will never know :p

[Medellia]

What this has to do with me not physically liking alot of hair on women, I will never know :p
Hahaha, I know they aren't quite the same, but I thought it was similar enough that you would be able to answer.

Any clue as to why many men who are fairly open-minded about gay issues are a bit grossed out by actually witnessing it? I think it's really only a problem when they see it, with the exception of many fellas on this board.

[zorra_chiflada]

Its definitely a worldwide thing, but I'm not one of those people. I know its a cliche but I have quite a few gay friends and I occasionally hear about their relationships and although they expect me to be a bit creeped out, I'm really not. I think its great that they find love wherever they find it. Plus I am not afraid to hug my gay friends, unlike some of my other friends who think it might mean something more to the gay friends than just a hug, in fact I am far more likely to because I know they wont get totally freaked out because of their masculinity and shit. Its strange because me and two friends, one whom is a strict catholic male, the other who is a really cool gay male, were talking about this the other day, and the fact that I was perfectly comfortable with talking about gay issues and such even moreso than my gay friend, especially in front of the Catholic friend who tends to be a little bit ignorant on some issues.



that's a lot what joe is like (y)
and i wouldn't associate myself with anyone who was homophobic anyway.

[Rancid_Beasties]

Hahaha, I know they aren't quite the same, but I thought it was similar enough that you would be able to answer.

Any clue as to why many men who are fairly open-minded about gay issues are a bit grossed out by actually witnessing it? I think it's really only a problem when they see it, with the exception of many fellas on this board.
Nope. I mean I wouldnt be aroused by it (i think :o) but I wouldnt be disgusted either. I assume you are talking about sex? If its just kissing, well I've seen that and I'm not at disgusted at all.

Why might guys be disgusted? Well I think theres alot of guys who are disgusted when they see straight or gay displays of love. Maybe its because they are hardened, just as the male stereotype says they should be, and believe that showing love in public is a sign of weakness. Or maybe they are so straight that gay displays of affection make them sick. Or maybe they are really gay and gay displays of affection, much to their distress, turns them on. Who knows. Maybe you should ask a homophobe instead of someone who is totally for gay rights and totally comfortable with homosexuality ;)

[Medellia]

and i wouldn't associate myself with anyone who was homophobic anyway.
True, but at the same time I think it says alot about a person when they can recognise something like homophobia in themselves and try to overcome it. I'm sure a part of it is how they are raised. They have to be tough and manly and all that shit. Boys play with trucks, and boys don't cry. Homophobia is pretty much ingrained from an early age I think. Certainly here in Macho Middle America. So when someone knows that things they were taught as a child were wrong and tries to deprogram themselves, it says alot. It'll never completely go away, I'm sure, and the longer you hear it the longer it will take to get over it, but just trying to work your way through that kind of mental abuse (and let's face it, that's pretty much what it is) has to be tough.

[ms.peachy]

Any clue as to why many men who are fairly open-minded about gay issues are a bit grossed out by actually witnessing it? I think it's really only a problem when they see it, with the exception of many fellas on this board.
I don't know why some men can't make the distinction between something being 'digusting', and something that just doesn't happen to personally arouse you, know what I mean?

Mr.peachy and I rent a furnished flat. The guys we are renting from are this very nice South African gay couple. When we moved in and were putting away our stuff and all, I remember I was teasing mr.p and stood next to the bed and said "Baby, just think about all the hot sweaty man-sex action this bed has seen!"

He just gave me his (well-practised) 'please stop torturing me, you devil woman' look and said "Yeah, actually I 'd really rather not think about it, but I know I can't stop you from doing so."

Which to me is, like, a fair middle-of-the-road attitude, you know? It's not his thing, he doesn't get turned on by the thought of it, but he doesn't feel any need to throw some kind of fit and rant and rave about how awful terrible despicable disgusting etc etc it is, because it just isn't that big of a deal. And I don't know why it's so hard for other men to see that.

[Medellia]

Maybe you should ask a homophobe instead of someone who is totally for gay rights and totally comfortable with homosexuality ;)
Well that's kind of the point though. I'm talking about sort of mild homophobia: somewhat disgusted by actually seeing it, but totally for complete equal rights for gays. I have to use my dad as an example of this...he's got gay friends, he has absolutely no problem with gays adopting, he voted against a statewide ban against gay marriage (which unfortunately passed in a landslide). Hell, even if it Bush hadn't lied his way into the Iraq war, he still would have voted for Kerry solely because of the issues surrounding the rights of gays and women. Yet if he sees too dudes kiss he kind of flinches and grimaces. It might have something to do with his macho, cowboys and football upbringing, and he's just trying to shake it off. Of course he is almost 47, so maybe he's a bad example. Maybe we should be talking about the men who are in their twenties that are like that.

[Medellia]

I don't know why some men can't make the distinction between something being 'digusting', and something that just doesn't happen to personally arouse you, know what I mean?

Mr.peachy and I rent a furnished flat. The guys we are renting from are this very nice South African gay couple. When we moved in and were putting away our stuff and all, I remember I was teasing mr.p and stood next to the bed and said "Baby, just think about all the hot sweaty man-sex action this bed has seen!"

He just gave me his (well-practised) 'please stop torturing me, you devil woman' look and said "Yeah, actually I 'd really rather not think about it, but I know I can't stop you from doing so."

Which to me is, like, a fair middle-of-the-road attitude, you know? It's not his thing, he doesn't get turned on by the thought of it, but he doesn't feel any need to throw some kind of fit and rant and rave about how awful terrible despicable disgusting etc etc it is, because it just isn't that big of a deal. And I don't know why it's so hard for other men to see that.
Hahahaha, that's a great story. :D

That's more what I'm talking about. Not a "ewwwwwwww, gross.....two men having butt sex!" twelve year old boy kind of reaction. More of a head shaking, "I just don't get it, but too each his own" kind of thing.

[synch]

Good friend of mine travelled to another country to end up fucking a girl I was crazy about.

Never forgave him. Haven't spoken to him in five years. I was over her in a fraction of that though but that's not the point.

Friends exes or love interests or whatever are off limits unless you are sure that the friend really doesn't mind.

In my opinion anyway.

Don't you just love posting on-topic in a thread where the original subject was already dead and buried?

[Loppfessor]

^ Hey that's pretty much what I said, the bi-thing is just serving as a huge distraction from the real issue here

[synch]

Indeedy.

If I'm not mistaking nobody picked up on that other guy she has her eyes on either. Apparently the "bi" guy isn't that special.

[Qdrop]

Bill Maher made an excellent point in his latest HBO special about it. He basically said that he has no problems with homosexuality and gay marriage, but he's disgusted by the thought of two men together. that's exactly were i'm at.
It would be nice if the guys would be a little less crude about it though. but there's SOOOOO many good jokes to be had!

[Qdrop]

Not necessarily. My dad can't get over that stuff and he's a great guy. He knows it's wrong that he finds that kinda stuff icky, but he does anyway.
whoa.
why is it "wrong" to find it icky?

we have NO control over what we find attractive or repulsive.
that can't be "changed" mentally.

now, as rational adults....we can separate our personal repulsion to an act from the respect and freedom needed to be given to individuals who feel differantly.

there is nothing wrong with finding homosexuality kinda gross....but there is something wrong with pushing that feeling on others.


you can hate sushi.....but does that mean that you should hate others that eat it...or have it banned?
no.
but you still can't help that you hate sushi.

[Documad]

I went to diversity training a while ago where I used to work. Because there were a lot of fairly educated people being trained in public classes, with bosses present, and because it's been clear to me what you're supposed to think since I was a child, I figured it would be a big bore. I never dreamed anyone would say anything remotely offensive in public. There were obviously black employees in the class, so it wasn't surprising that there were no anti-black statements made. Well, a few subtle ones but not the sort of thing the class was addressing.

Anyhow, over the 3 days of class, I heard an amazing amount of homophobic stuff from white married men saying "I don't want to work in the same office as a gay man." This mostly happened in the small group discussions when teachers were not around, but they felt completely comfortable saying it in front of coworkers because they were sure their viewpoint was acceptable. And I was the only one challenging them. (There were at least two closeted gay men in the overall class with us and one was almost always in my small group because he was one of my work buddies.) I never could get the homophobes to say what their problem was--were they worried they would get hit on? that men would kiss other men in the office?

[Qdrop]

Well that's kind of the point though. I'm talking about sort of mild homophobia: somewhat disgusted by actually seeing it, but totally for complete equal rights for gays.

beleive it or not...
it's actually YOU and a few others on here that are being a little irrational and ignorant.

it's rather presumptious and pompous to say straight men should have no problem with seeing a sexual act between 2 other men.
as if i should be able to sit and watch gay porn, and if i wince just once...
"you HOMOPHOBIC ASSHOLE!"

i don't like seeing 2 dogs hump either....am i anti-canine too? should PETA be picketing my house?

[wanton wench]

Jeez, I had no idea that there were so many people on this board who were so hostile about homosexuality.

It makes me rather a bit :(

for the record i am not hostile about homosexuality! i have alot of gay friends. i dont have a problem with it at all! i get along with them alot better than most of my other friends. but that does not mean i want to date them. what i have a problem with is the friend issue! like for instance i dated a guy a few months ago and it just didnt really go anywhere. so we stopped seeing each other. now this past weekend i met a guy. he invited me to a party and while talking to him i realized he works and is friends with this guy i dated. so when he gave me his number i knew i was not going to call him. i just dont feel right about that. and its goes the other way too. i cant date a guy that one of my girlfriends dated. its a respect thing!

[Mcmac]

i always used to think that this attitude was more of an american thing, but i came to realise that it is even stronger in australia.
australia is not the nice country everyone thinks it is. it's full of racists, homophobics, uneducated conservatives and other pieces of trash. think about that before coming here.

yeah speak for your own state tazmanian :mad: :p

[ms.peachy]

beleive it or not...
it's actually YOU and a few others on here that are being a little irrational and ignorant.

it's rather presumptious and pompous to say straight men should have no problem with seeing a sexual act between 2 other men.
as if i should be able to sit and watch gay porn, and if i wince just once...
"you HOMOPHOBIC ASSHOLE!"

i don't like seeing 2 dogs hump either....am i anti-canine too? should PETA be picketing my house?
I don't think anyone was saying you have to watch gay porn, Q.

You can just send it to me instead, that'll be fine really. :)

I think we were getting more at the 'everyday', superficial kind of stuff - holding hands, kissing goodbye at the train station, that sort of thing. Why should seeing a gay couple hug, kiss and say "Have a good day, honey" provoke any different feelings than seeing a straight couple do the same?

[Qdrop]

I think we were getting more at the 'everyday', superficial kind of stuff - holding hands, kissing goodbye at the train station, that sort of thing. Why should seeing a gay couple hug, kiss and say "Have a good day, honey" provoke any different feelings than seeing a straight couple do the same?
because you are thinking about it on PRINCIPLE rather than culturally or psychologically.

on principle, you are correct. it really shouldn't bother anyone anymore than a straight couple kissing, etc.

but you just can't shame someone into not having a natural repulsion to an act that TO A STRAIGHT PERSON, IS QUITE UNNATURAL AND BOTHERSOME.

sexual taboos are not simply cultural either. they have evolutionary roots that are embedded deep within us.

would you find it repulsive to see your best friend make out with her brother?
why is that?
it's not just cultural.
we have evolved a natural repulsion to that behavior, so as to keep the gene pool clearer.

it IS natural for a straight person to be repulsed by homosexual behavior.

we cannot put sensitivity over truth.
we can, of course, temper it with rational thought, however.

[Echewta]

I think the more important issue here is not someones sexual preference but instead the fact that Dandy has poor taste in dating movies.

[Qdrop]

I think the more important issue here is not someones sexual preference but instead the fact that Dandy has poor taste in dating movies.

i thought that was obvious.


this whole story just sounds like an episode of Will and Grace.

[ms.peachy]

it IS natural for a straight person to be repulsed by homosexual behavior.

I don't agree with that statement. You state it as though it is a fact, when it is not. It is an assertion.

I do however agree with your assessment that social conditioning can be overcome by conscious effort. After all, that is the basis for both cognitive behaviour theraoy and neurolinguistic programming, and we know based on recordable data that these are effective techniques.

[Qdrop]

I don't agree with that statement. You state it as though it is a fact, when it is not. It is an assertion. as a teacher...i'm sure you have plenty of research material at your fingertips...
research evolved sexual behavior and sexual psychology.
it's really pretty logical, peachy.

I do however agree with your assessment that social conditioning can be overcome by conscious effort. whoa. "overcome" MAY be too harsh of a word.
"temper" is more like it.
or "able to deal with it."
you cannot mentally train someone to be psychologically accepting of homosexual intimate behavior any more than you can "train" a gay man to be straight. you can't "out-think" evolution.

After all, that is the basis for both cognitive behaviour theraoy and neurolinguistic programming, and we know based on recordable data that these are effective techniques.
eh...careful.
what findings and studies are you referring to?
and what were the goals and outcomes?

i'm actually reading up on this subject as we speak (what a coincidence)...it is of course obvious and logical that our brains can be wired and re-wired as we learn....otherwise, we'd be a bunch of amnesiacs drooling on the streets.
but you shouldn't fall too far into the neuroscience left wing...which has been riding a little too high on their egos for the past decade....and making some rather spurious claims as to the "proof" of a blank slate (that our brains are completely maleable from birth and can be rewired down to the neuron to allow for change in any behavioral trait, etc).
this really goes against real observable science...and goes contrary to any logical thinking on the subject.

summary: you can't "teach" some to change thier sexual orientation OR thier aversions to certain sexual affiliations.

[Sarky Devotchka]

I agree with Qdrop.

I think it's kind of crap that everyone's all mad that some guys don't like the idea of dude-on-dude action. Like, the flinching thing. When I see two guys kiss, I flinch, sometimes I cover my eyes if they're ugly. I don't want to see ugly people kissing ever. You know why? because my entire life, most of the intimate acts I've seen between two (or more!) people has been on television or in movies, and the majority of it has been between attractive heterosexual couples.

It's perfectly normal to be repulsed or uncomfortable around things that are out of your realm. The point is to not judge people personally because you are repulsed or uncomfortable about what they do privately.

Like it or not, homosexuality is not the norm. Males and females in all walks of life are meant to procreate. Now, as technology and awareness increase, gay couples can effectively "procreate" using other means (adoption, surrogates, sperm donors, etc), so I think most people are gradually changing their ideas and acceptance of "alternative" families.

Sluts, gay or straight, make me uncomfortable. I don't like to see anyone kissing passionately or groping eachother in public, and I don't like to think about buttsex. I don't think that I should be villified because of that.

also, how many gay people joke about how gross heterosexual couples are?

[ms.peachy]

as a teacher...i'm sure you have plenty of research material at your fingertips...
research evolved sexual behavior and sexual psychology.
it's really pretty logical, peachy.



"Pretty logical", as in, 'all right-thinking people should know'? I think it is you who may wish to watch the ground you tread on there.

I am aware that there are evolutionary biologists who will argue your point. However, what I am saying is that I - and I am not alone in this - do not accept that conclusion as a 'proven fact'. This is an area of science that is itself evolving, and whilst I can find reason to tend to agree with some findings, there are other about which I remain highly skeptical. As do several others in the field. I am not inclined to go out and find 'for and against' studies as I know that if you choose to you are perfectly capable of doing that for yourself. I get paid to do that by several academic institutions, I don't really feel like doing it for free right now in my spare time.

My point about CBT and NLP is that we do know that there are substantive, quantifiable reasons to believe that these are techniques that can be effective in re-learning behaviours. I am not saying that they are the be all and end all. Remember, I was AGREEING with you on that point, ya donut.

[Qdrop]

"Pretty logical", as in, 'all right-thinking people should know'? I think it is you who may wish to watch the ground you tread on there.

I am aware that there are evolutionary biologists who will argue your point. However, what I am saying is that I - and I am not alone in this - do not accept that conclusion as a 'proven fact'. This is an area of science that is itself evolving, and whilst I can find reason to tend to agree with some findings, there are other about which I remain highly skeptical. As do several others in the field. I am not inclined to go out and find 'for and against' studies as I know that if you choose to you are perfectly capable of doing that for yourself. I get paid to do that by several academic institutions, I don't really feel like doing it for free right now in my spare time.

My point about CBT and NLP is that we do know that there are substantive, quantifiable reasons to believe that these are techniques that can be effective in re-learning behaviours. I am not saying that they are the be all and end all. Remember, I was AGREEING with you on that point, ya donut.

you know...i was pretty much with you...until you called me a donut.

now...you are dead to me.

[ms.peachy]

You got some kind of problem with donuts, pal?

[Sarky Devotchka]

nobody ever listens to me.

[DandyFop]

So we solved it, this afternoon Gay, Guy and I got wasted and had a threesome in the bathroom. Problem solved!

[Echewta]

oohhhh, you were "I" in the story? I was confussed.

[RobMoney]

So we solved it, this afternoon Gay, Guy and I got wasted and had a threesome in the bathroom. Problem solved!


Yeah, but who did they pay more attention to, you or each other?

[CiaoBellaXO]

So we solved it, this afternoon Gay, Guy and I got wasted and had a threesome in the bathroom. Problem solved!

I usually end up in the bathroom at the end of the night...yea I'm a classy broad.

[TAL]

I usually end up in the bathroom at the end of the night...yea I'm a classy broad.
*holds hair*

[CiaoBellaXO]

*holds hair*

I wasnt talking about puking.

[TAL]

Good night then.

[CiaoBellaXO]

Good night then.

it is a good night then. ;)

[ET]

I thought someone put lime scented Palmolive in my coke but then I realised I bought Coke with Lime. :(

[marsdaddy]

Like it or not, homosexuality is not the norm. Males and females in all walks of life are meant to procreate. Now, as technology and awareness increase, gay couples can effectively "procreate" using other means (adoption, surrogates, sperm donors, etc), so I think most people are gradually changing their ideas and acceptance of "alternative" families. I'm pretty sure there are examples in nature of same sex couples. So procreation is not the only natural motivator.

Okay, if homosexuality is not the norm neither are parapalegics. Should it be acceptable behavio(u)r to wince when we see parapalegics? And why are people not repulsed by female homosexuality?

It seems what no one wants to admit is that most males are uncomfortable with male homosexuality because they are afraid it will somehow arouse them and maybe even lead to conflict (their own or others' perceptions) about their sexual preferences. I think the technical term is subterfuge.

[cookiepuss]

see what I'm thinkin here is that it might not be such a good idea to date a bi-sexual person if you yourself are not bi. I mean if your sexual perference is to have sex with people of both genders, then it pretty much garuntee's that you aren't going to be the only love interest in this person's life. Basically if you're going to be exclusive with this person then they are going to have to make a choice to deny/ignore thier desire/attraction to people of thier same gender. Now unless you are polyamourous or a hermaphrodite, you are going to have to accept that occasionally your parter is likely to cheat on you because you are never going to be able satisfy what the get form same sex intimacy. just a thought....

[Documad]

It seems what no one wants to admit is that most males are uncomfortable with male homosexuality because they are afraid it will somehow arouse them and maybe even lead to conflict (their own or others' perceptions) about their sexual preferences. I think the technical term is subterfuge.
This is so true.

[Medellia]

beleive it or not...
it's actually YOU and a few others on here that are being a little irrational and ignorant.

it's rather presumptious and pompous to say straight men should have no problem with seeing a sexual act between 2 other men.
as if i should be able to sit and watch gay porn, and if i wince just once...
"you HOMOPHOBIC ASSHOLE!"

i don't like seeing 2 dogs hump either....am i anti-canine too? should PETA be picketing my house?
Q, I'm gonna say this as nicely as possible: CALM THE FUCK DOWN!!!

I was asking all the straight fellas on the board why they feel that way. If it's because society told them it was wrong, if it's just because they naturally find it disgusted, or whatever else. How is that being irrational and ignorant? I'm asking for someone's opinion on something, that's all.

[zorra_chiflada]

And why are people not repulsed by female homosexuality?



cos they're idiots :)
they're the same kind of guys that are all like "ew, hair on women is so gross"
some people are a little bit behind, evolution-wise. :)

[TurdBerglar]

why would i want to see a couple of dudes makeing out?


im not attracted to dudes.

[Medellia]

I think it's kind of crap that everyone's all mad that some guys don't like the idea of dude-on-dude action. Like, the flinching thing. When I see two guys kiss, I flinch, sometimes I cover my eyes if they're ugly. I don't want to see ugly people kissing ever. You know why? because my entire life, most of the intimate acts I've seen between two (or more!) people has been on television or in movies, and the majority of it has been between attractive heterosexual couples.
I'm not mad at the guys for disliking it. I'm just asking WHY. Good lord, is it that fucking hard to understand? Am I speaking a language noone else can understand? It didn't seem like it when I wrote that stuff, but maybe I was typing in Klingon or Elvish or whatever language Jabba the Hutt speaks.

[CrankItUp!]

cos they're idiots :)
they're the same kind of guys that are all like "ew, hair on women is so gross"
some people are a little bit behind, evolution-wise. :)
Bullshit ! Lesbians are hotties while dykes are notties - simple as that ! :cool:

[GetYourWarOn]

I'm not mad at the guys for disliking it. I'm just asking WHY. Good lord, is it that fucking hard to understand? Am I speaking a language noone else can understand? It didn't seem like it when I wrote that stuff, but maybe I was typing in Klingon or Elvish or whatever language Jabba the Hutt speaks.


lol @ elvish.

[zorra_chiflada]

Good lord, is it that fucking hard to understand?

unfortunately it is for these people.

[GetYourWarOn]

I'm not mad at the guys for disliking it. I'm just asking WHY. Good lord, is it that fucking hard to understand? Am I speaking a language noone else can understand? It didn't seem like it when I wrote that stuff, but maybe I was typing in Klingon or Elvish or whatever language Jabba the Hutt speaks.


yeah, i agree. whether it's a straight, gay, or lesbian couple, i'm gonna have the same bitter and resentful feelings toward their happiness.

[Medellia]

unfortunately it is for these people.
Yeah. "You're being irrational and ignorant!" Um, I just asked a simple question and then you start yelling at me. Who's the irrational one now?

I think QDrop is PMSing. :(

[CrankItUp!]

Bullshit ! Lesbians are hotties while dykes are notties - simple as that ! :cool:

[TurdBerglar]

seeing a couple of dudes makeing out or being intimate it quite disgusting. they can do it as much as they want. it doesn't make them bad or anything. it's just gross. i get just as grossed out when i see a dog licking it's ass. when you see a dog licking it's ass what do you think? probably something along the lines of this,"thank god i don't have to lick my ass". i almost have the same thought when i see dudes being intimate, "thank god i don't have to do that with a dude."

[zorra_chiflada]

why do guys like lesbians then? why don't you think both are equally as gross?

[TurdBerglar]

why do guys like lesbians then? why don't you think both are equally as gross?


becuase chicks are attractive

[Documad]

why do guys like lesbians then?
They only like them in the movies. When they're played by Gina Gershon.

[Sarky Devotchka]

I'm pretty sure there are examples in nature of same sex couples. So procreation is not the only natural motivator.

Okay, if homosexuality is not the norm neither are parapalegics. Should it be acceptable behavio(u)r to wince when we see parapalegics? And why are people not repulsed by female homosexuality?

It seems what no one wants to admit is that most males are uncomfortable with male homosexuality because they are afraid it will somehow arouse them and maybe even lead to conflict (their own or others' perceptions) about their sexual preferences. I think the technical term is subterfuge.

you have some good points there, I was just naming procreation as an example, maybe I shoud have said ensuring the survival of mankind...which is where the "alternative" family thing comes in.

but I think that it is natural to wince at things that are out of the norm, even parapalegics or burn victims or someone really fat. It's at least understandable, if not acceptable. I mean, I think it definitely comes out of fear, some kind of gut reaction along with social conditioning to reject things outside of your environment, or things that are deemed "ugly".

the media feeds us beautiful, because we've asked for it. deviance eventually becomes incorporated into the mainstream though, and I think that acceptance of homosexuality has increased a lot in the past few years.

I dunno, I don't have any friends that are homophobic, except one chick who we think may be a lesbian because she's so scared that people will think she's one. that and because she's afraid of her own vagina and says she doesn't like kissing boys with tongue.

bleh, I'm just saying, I don't like to see people kissing and fondling unless I seek it out on purpose...gay or straight.

[GetYourWarOn]

I agree with Qdrop.


Like it or not, homosexuality is not the norm. Males and females in all walks of life are meant to procreate. Now, as technology and awareness increase, gay couples can effectively "procreate" using other means (adoption, surrogates, sperm donors, etc), so I think most people are gradually changing their ideas and acceptance of "alternative" families.



what's normal in a society is often dictated by fear and conformity, and therefore completely irrelevant to the discussion...and an unnatural act, in my opinion, would be to suppress your homosexual desires in fear of what people might think of you.

[Medellia]

The whole thing with guys and lesbians always amuses me. Guys like lesbians because they like women, so seeing two women together turns them on. But I don't know any hetero woman that actually gets off on seeing two men together. We like men, so in theory we should like watching gay men, right? I'm not disgusted by it, so it's not the same as the way guys react. It just doesn't turn me on. I do know there are a few women out there who do get off on it, though.

[zorra_chiflada]

The whole thing with guys and lesbians always amuses me. Guys like lesbians because they like women, so seeing two women together turns them on. But I don't know any hetero woman that actually gets off on seeing two men together. We like men, so in theory we should like watching gay men, right? I'm not disgusted by it, so it's not the same as the way guys react. It just doesn't turn me on. I do know there are a few women out there who do get off on it, though.

guys are terrified by other guys penises!

[TurdBerglar]

so you females acually think about the things that turn you on?

[Medellia]

so you females acually think about the things that turn you on?
No, I just grunt "Me horny!" :rolleyes:

[TurdBerglar]

no seriously


you actually wonder why your turned on when you get turned on?

[Documad]

But I don't know any hetero woman that actually gets off on seeing two men together.
I do. Lots of them. I can't watch Queer as Folk because the writing is so bad, but I have a lot of straight female friends who watch it for the guy on guy softcore sex.

[Medellia]

no seriously


you actually wonder why your turned on when you get turned on?
No. I know why I'm aroused. Not like I'm gonna tell you that though. :p

[zorra_chiflada]

no seriously


you actually wonder why your turned on when you get turned on?

yeah, of course.

[TurdBerglar]

yeah, of course.


what do you wonder about?

[zorra_chiflada]

what do you wonder about?

hormonal changes, and how they do funny things to your body. what different medications do. all those things.

[TurdBerglar]

why do you want to think all about that?

[Sarky Devotchka]

what's normal in a society is often dictated by fear and conformity, and therefore completely irrelevant to the discussion...and an unnatural act, in my opinion, would be to suppress your homosexual desires in fear of what people might think of you.

I clarified my statement above, right before you made this post.

[CrankItUp!]

I do. Lots of them. I can't watch Queer as Folk because the writing is so bad, but I have a lot of straight female friends who watch it for the guy on guy softcore sex.
Do chicks really get off on watching homos macking each other and shit ?

[GetYourWarOn]

I clarified my statement above, right before you made this post.


lol :o

[Documad]

I'd wouldn't say that men not liking to watch men have sex is homophobic. I don't think that's a huge societal problem because it's pretty easy to avoid watching strangers have sex. (I'm not sure why anyone would have a problem with normal kissing or hand holding--whatever hetero couples do in public, but then I live in the gay mecca of the midwest so I'd be in trouble if it bothered me.)

I'm still trying to figure out why so many people have problems with homosexuals having sex in private, or simply working next to them in an office, and where that fear comes from. I think it mostly comes from not knowing homoexuals (or at least thinking you don't know any).

[TurdBerglar]

Oh, Turd...your avatar is two guys getting it on. Sorry, but it's true.


where the hell is the other dude's dick then?

[TurdBerglar]

did you actually try looking for the other guy's dick?



hahaha, you fruit

[CrankItUp!]

Why isnt there at least a " little ms. pacman bow " on the fuckee's noggin to specify it as a girl ? (lb)

[TurdBerglar]

yeah fruit. i don't really use slurs as an insult. and i don't really think fruit is can really be classified as a slur

[ms.peachy]

But I don't know any hetero woman that actually gets off on seeing two men together.
*waves hand* over here, babe!

[Medellia]

Haha, okay. I know one. :D

[ms.peachy]

Haha, okay. I know one. :D
I'm not alone. A couple of months aga I was talking to this guy at Harmony, which is a big, erm 'adult entertainment' store, and he said he estimates 5-10% of his sales in gay vids are to women.

It's just not a subject that comes up a lot in conversation, I s'pose :)

[Qdrop]

I'm pretty sure there are examples in nature of same sex couples. So procreation is not the only natural motivator. well, true and not true.
there are numerous examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom....but the sex is not for pleasure. (only humans, dolphins, and simian monkeys have been documented as having sex for pure pleasure), and as is likely with all homosexual behavior, it is a biological anomoly that just causes sexual desire and procreation tendancies to be focused on the same sex.


It seems what no one wants to admit is that most males are uncomfortable with male homosexuality because they are afraid it will somehow arouse them and maybe even lead to conflict (their own or others' perceptions) about their sexual preferences. I think the technical term is subterfuge.
oh jesus. could you be any more radically sanctimonious?

i don't like seeing guys fucking for the same reason i don't like seeing 2 horses humping.
it's not my personal sexual preferance...i find it disturbing, because i cannot empathize with that behavior.

[Qdrop]

Q, I'm gonna say this as nicely as possible: CALM THE FUCK DOWN!!!

I was asking all the straight fellas on the board why they feel that way. If it's because society told them it was wrong, if it's just because they naturally find it disgusted, or whatever else. How is that being irrational and ignorant? I'm asking for someone's opinion on something, that's all.

seems more like you were making a personal statement and accusations...thinly vieled as a "question".

[Qdrop]

why would i want to see a couple of dudes makeing out?


im not attracted to dudes.

according to marsdaddy, it's because you are afraid you might me gay.

[Qdrop]

why do guys like lesbians then? why don't you think both are equally as gross?

because straight men are attracted to women.
so seeing women engaged in sexual behavior is stimulating.


how can you not figure this out on your own?


again, you people are riding high on sanctimony...and running dangerously low on logic.

[zorra_chiflada]

because straight men are attracted to women.
so seeing women engaged in sexual behavior is stimulating.


how can you not figure this out on your own?


again, you people are riding high on sanctimony...and running dangerously low on logic.
as i said in another thread, what if you said "oh, i'm all for black people, but they just gross me out"
the only reason everyone gets on on the "gays are gross" is because it's socially acceptable.
come on, you know about this kind of stuff. you know it's true. you're just ignoring it. you're making up excuses and reasons just to make everyone think you're right.

[ms.peachy]

as i said in another thread, what if you said "oh, i'm all for black people, but they just gross me out"
the only reason everyone gets on on the "gays are gross" is because it's socially acceptable.
come on, you know about this kind of stuff. you know it's true. you're just ignoring it. you're making up excuses and reasons just to make everyone think you're right.
exactly.

As those of us in the UK are I'm well aware, last week there was an absolutely horrific murder of a young black guy. A group of men buried an axe in his head - because he was at a bus stop with his white girlfriend.

In today's context, this crime has provoked a huge sense of shock, shame and utter dismay throughout Britain. However, was it so long ago that someone would have attempted to justify this action by the 'natural' disgust and revulsion that a white man would feel at seeing a black man with a white woman?

[Qdrop]

as i said in another thread, what if you said "oh, i'm all for black people, but they just gross me out"
the only reason everyone gets on on the "gays are gross" is because it's socially acceptable.
come on, you know about this kind of stuff. you know it's true. you're just ignoring it. you're making up excuses and reasons just to make everyone think you're right.

i know about this kind of "stuff"? i know it's true?

what "stuff"? that any people who are uncomfortable with gay sexual behavior are all homophobes and are closet homosexuals, or are just threatened because it challenges their sexuality?

no, zorra....i don't "know" that.

see, Freudeism has been debunked long ago as the quakery it was.
not every action or behavior we have has a conscious or sexually subconscious agenda.

you think i'm rationalizing hate.
i'm just telling it like it is.

see, you keep doing this, zorra.
this is becoming your MO.
your fear and loathing turns you into an unqualified politial scientist throwing around irresponsible accusations based on emotional sentiment rather than logical underpinnings.

this is why i keep throwing the word "sanctimonious" your way....
it fits.

[marsdaddy]

see, Freudeism has been debunked long ago as the quakery it was.
not every action or behavior we have has a conscious or sexually subconscious agenda.
You meant quackery, right? Or was quakery a freudian slip? Calvinism?

you think i'm rationalizing hate.
i'm just telling it like it is.
I think you're not very self-aware, afraid of what you might find, and can't handle not being in control. You're rationalizing your insecurities.
this is why i keep throwing the word "sanctimonious" your way....I'm going to throw the word "projecting" your way.

[DandyFop]

Wow, I'm really glad that my sitcom-like dating life can actually spawn interesting convo on the bbmb.

continue on..

[BeaStIeChIck598]

IN THIS PERFECT SITUATIONNNNNN WE LET LOVE DOWN THE DRAIIINNNNNNNN

[Dr Deaf]

i've got no problems with homosexuals. it's comforting how non-threatening they are. it's unlikely that a faggot is going to pull a tough guy move on you in a pub or club. plus all the gay people i've met are really fun to be with.

i went to a gay bar once with some ex con that just got released from prision for 'murdering a couple o' darkies'. i was waiting for my bus in the core and really only wanted a light for a smoke. he offered to buy me a few beers at the place across the street. a couple o nancy boys tried picking me up, but i just told them i wasn't into that. we played pool with a couple of dykes, before i fled the scene and caught my bus.

[zorra_chiflada]

i know about this kind of "stuff"? i know it's true?

what "stuff"? that any people who are uncomfortable with gay sexual behavior are all homophobes and are closet homosexuals, or are just threatened because it challenges their sexuality?

no, zorra....i don't "know" that.

see, Freudeism has been debunked long ago as the quakery it was.
not every action or behavior we have has a conscious or sexually subconscious agenda.

you think i'm rationalizing hate.
i'm just telling it like it is.

see, you keep doing this, zorra.
this is becoming your MO.
your fear and loathing turns you into an unqualified politial scientist throwing around irresponsible accusations based on emotional sentiment rather than logical underpinnings.

this is why i keep throwing the word "sanctimonious" your way....
it fits.

oh, q, q, q. no matter how much you try to intimidate everyone, you're not convincing anyone. do you think that by name calling, and accusing me of things is going to make me run away crying?

i was talking about what was socially acceptable, and what wasn't. that was the "stuff" that i said you knew about it, because you are mentioning it all the time.

it's pretty obvious that you think you're better than me, and you don't have very much respect for me or my opinions. (you compared me to pres in another thread, basically telling me that i should get my own opinons, indicating out that he was smarter than me. i know that. it is not your place to tell me that, is it?) why call me an "unqualified political scientist" and not every other fucking person that posted in this thread, and other threads in political discussion.
you talk in such a way to belittle me. that's ok, you can do that all you want. i don't care.

but just a tip, if you spent less time "talking down" to me, and more time arguing your point, we might actually have a good discussion going on.
i'm just curious why you think that i need to be "put in my place." do you do this to other people? your girlfriend? your mother?

[Medellia]

seems more like you were making a personal statement and accusations...thinly vieled as a "question".
Well, excuuuuuuuse me for asking about what goes on in other people's heads. I will never speak up again, and never try to engage in an intelligent conversation with anyone every again, because when I ask someone why they feel the way they do, I'm not trying to understand more about them, I'm just making a thinly veiled personal statement.