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QueenAdrock
08-01-2005, 07:51 PM
I don't know if any of y'all saw this on Keith Olbermann, or even watch Countdown for that matter, but if not, I found this interesting:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/
SECAUCUS — Call it the CIA Leak Investigation, or the Valerie Plame follow-up, or the Karl Rove Case. By whichever name, it may have just turned from the difficult-to-follow, and legally subtle, pursuit of someone who could’ve violated a complicated law about not deliberately revealing the identity of covert agents into something much simpler.

The special prosecutor may be going after Karl Rove — and Scooter Libby — for making false statements to the prosecutors.

In other words: lying.

Bloomberg News quoting ‘people familiar with the case’ says that while Rove told special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald that he first learned Agent Plame’s name from columnist Robert Novak, the news service reports Novak “has given a somewhat different version to the special prosecutor.”

Rove also told prosecutors a version of his conversation with Time Magazine reporter Matthew Cooper that doesn’t match up to Cooper’s testimony.

Several news organizations noted that Rove testified that Cooper had called him on July 11, 2003 to, at least nominally, talk about welfare reform. Cooper reportedly switched topics quickly to Wilson and the uranium from Niger mentioned in President Bush’s 2003 State of the Union address.

But Cooper reportedly testified that he never talked about welfare reform in that conversation with Rove.

As to Libby — the chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney — Bloomberg reports that he told prosecutors he first learned Plame’s identity from Tim Russert of NBC News. The organization also says Russert testified to the grand jury that Libby’s testimony is not true.

The New York Times, meanwhile, reports that Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald is simultaneously also investigating how Rove and Libby drafted a statement for CIA Director George Tenet to make on the Joe Wilson Op-Ed — specifically to see if that and other “damage control” by Rove and Libby might have led to the disclosure of Valerie Plame’s work.

And to see what information or documents Rove and Libby might have had access to as they prepared the Tenet statement.

And that main-lines back to the Wall Street Journal story that John Harwood broke on this newscast Thursday night...

An internal State Department document, prepared for an under-secretary of state, and seen by the then Secretary of State Colin Powell, mentioned Valerie Plame’s CIA work — and to remind readers that her work was classified. The portions pertaining to her were marked “T.S.” for Top Secret and “S/NF,” a designation meaning in essence ‘classified — do not share with foreign intelligence services, even friendly ones.’

Documad
08-01-2005, 07:57 PM
It's usually the cover up that takes them down. :rolleyes:

Documad
08-01-2005, 08:00 PM
The thing that gets to me, with this story and others from this administration and others, is that people get to the highest level or our government, and for some reason they don't think that any of the rules of government apply to them. Stuff that every junior government employee knows, like data is classified and you can't release some data and must release other data. Or rules like you don't get to lie to investigators. This is true of Bush's buddies and also Hilary Clinton. It's just a basic disrespect of our system of government.

QueenAdrock
08-01-2005, 09:40 PM
people get to the highest level or our government, and for some reason they don't think that any of the rules of government apply to them. Stuff that every junior government employee knows, like data is classified and you can't release some data and must release other data.

Exactly. If it was a lower-level government employee that somehow found out the information and leaked it about a Republican CIA member, he'd be on a ship to Alaska as we speak. Even if it was "by accident" and "he didn't know any better" (which seems a lot more plausible at his level). It's a slap on the wrist if it works out well for YOUR side and it's one of your best friends who does the leaking, however.

infidel
08-02-2005, 05:20 AM
Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, who has been surprisingly diligent and effective in his investigation into who outed deep-cover CIA agent Valerie Plame. His diligence and effectiveness have been surprising, it should be noted, because he has been the only person in government these last five years who has actually and sincerely attempted to uncover and unravel the nest of lies, deceptions and bare-faced criminal actions of the Bush administration.

That means, of course, that he has got to go. GOP defenders of Bush, Rove and Libby have been lining up salvos against Fitzgerald should he continue to evidence his unfortunate streak of moral clarity. As Joe Conason reported in the New York Observer last week, "Circled in a bristling perimeter around the White House, the friends and allies of Mr. Rove can soon be expected to fire their rhetorical mortars at Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor investigating the White House exposure of CIA operative Valerie Wilson. Indeed, the preparations for that assault began months ago in the editorial columns of The Wall Street Journal, which has tarred Mr. Fitzgerald as a 'loose cannon' and an 'unguided missile.'"

"Evidently," continued Conason, "Senator Pat Roberts, the Kansas Republican who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, will lead the next foray against the special prosecutor. This week the Senator's press office announced his plan to hold hearings on the Fitzgerald probe. That means interfering with an 'ongoing investigation,' as the White House press secretary might say, but such considerations won't deter the highly partisan Kansan."

This was to be expected. The word "Irony" was deleted from the GOP Dictionary many years ago, along with words like "Shame" and "Hypocrite." These fellows achieved their lofty status in no small part because of a genuinely loose-cannon investigator named Starr, who burned five years of our lives leaping from land deals to consensual sex in a Puritanical crusade that had more to do with the 2000 election and stalling out an effective Democratic administration than anything else.


more> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/080105A.shtml

sam i am
08-02-2005, 10:07 AM
Those who have the control have no need to be controlled

Glad you all realize this..... ;)