Scenario - first gangsta rap?

[laidback93]

I was just listening to this track and all of sudden it hit me. Did the Beasties make the first gangsta rap song with this track? I mean back in 86 it was all about party having a good time rap. I don't really recall any "hardcore" rap back in that era. Besides gangsta rap didn't really come in until the late 80s, early 90s.

If there are some hardcore tracks I'm not thinking of, let me know! I just can't think of any songs from then that had lyrics like "shot homeboy in his fucking face".

[Chicka B]

Read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangsta_rap)

I guess, since that was made in 1986 right? But hip hop always had violence and crime in it, it just wasn't mainstreem until Ice-T brought it to the mainstreem in the late eighties then it blew up in the early 90s. I miss the oldschool days, even though I wasn't there. :D

[JonKarson]

I was just listening to this track and all of sudden it hit me. Did the Beasties make the first gangsta rap song with this track? I mean back in 86 it was all about party having a good time rap. I don't really recall any "hardcore" rap back in that era. Besides gangsta rap didn't really come in until the late 80s, early 90s.

If there are some hardcore tracks I'm not thinking of, let me know! I just can't think of any songs from then that had lyrics like "shot homeboy in his fucking face".

Nah man... i'm not sure what the first 'gangsta' rap song was, but this was definitley not it... in fact... Scenario takes some of the lyrics and the whole style for this song (including the beat, i believe... haven't listened to it in a while) from Schoolly D... who was rapping about thug kinda stuff long before the beasties... well not tooo long but def. before the beasties...

[RobMoney]

"The Message"

I can't walk through the Park
'cause it's crazy after dark
Keep my hand on my gun
'cause they got me on the run




GANGSTAASAMUTHERFUCK

[Pootytang]

Don't push me, cause I'm close to the edge. I'm trying not to lose my head...

[dave790]

There was a thread, possibly started by Brother McDuff, that I've been searching for but to no avail. Anyways, it has some interesting and what I think truthful views from the guy out of the Roots. He certainly know's his Licesnse To Ill...but fuck yeah, beasties are the fathers of gangsta rap!

[Micodin]

Schooly D was the first gangsta rapper, no matter what Ice-T says. It started here on the east coast.

And by the way.... "Scenerio" is the Beasties version of "PSK What Does It Mean?" They even jacked the beat...

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Schooly D was the first gangsta rapper, no matter what Ice-T says. It started here on the east coast.

And by the way.... "Scenerio" is the Beasties version of "PSK What Does It Mean?" They even jacked the beat...

Word. "Scenario" is basically just a Schooly D bite. The beat, the rhyme style, everything is taken from Schooly. If you look at some of the old Beastie photos you'll even catch Mike D wearing the home-made Schooly D t-shirt.

They used that same PSK beat again when they did Desperado but added the good bad and ugly sample along with some BDP shit, etc.

Also, "The Message" isn't gangster rap. Its conscious rap. "The Message" is talking about bad shit through the eyes of a bystander. Schooly was rapping from the gangster perspective, that's what made it different.

[djc1980]

schooly D's fat gold chain is a good song

[Eccentric]

I kind of hate Jimi Izrael and pray for his death, but he wrote a column a few months ago in which he claimed the the B Boys were the first gangsta rappers. It's an interesting read, even though Jimi Izrael is a fucking prick and a lot of the stuff he says is either misleading or wrong.

Here's the article: http://bv.channel.aol.com/newsmain/canvas_directory/columnist?id=20050518143109990001

Here's the blog he wrote about the article: http://www.jimiizrael.com/ji/2005/05/20/08.53.05/

Be sure to be on the lookout for gems such as "...the social goals of the punk movement [are] anarchy, spitting, public drunkenness/urination...", and the claim that the boys promoted "felony sexual imposition (i.e. forcing sex with a Wiffle Ball bat)". Whaaaaaat? Sure, Ad-rock did it like this, he did it like that, and yes, he might have even done it with a whiffle ball bat, but I don't know of anyone besides Jimi Izrael who thinks that means he raped the sherrif's daughter with a bat. And the social goals of the punk movement are anarchy, spitting, and public drunkenness/urination? Bitch, PLEASE. Apparently Jimi hasn't listened to much punk since the Sex Pistols.