MMM in Hustler

[acamus]

In February or March, MMM was interviewed in Hustler. I thought I'd already posted this, but I don't see it in my post history.

[jennyb]

as in the porn mag? :confused:

Damn, that's gangsta!

[zorra_chiflada]

in the porn mag?

that's disgraceful. (n)

[alcamus]

Whoa! What the hell? What's wrong with Hustler? Sounds like we've got some old school feminists on the boards. Porn is an valuable part of many people's lives -- single, married, etc. I thought this was the B-Boys message board not the Christian Coalition.

[cj hood]

hustler........word, i pull the trigger long!

[b-grrrlie]

Whoa! What the hell? What's wrong with Hustler? Sounds like we've got some old school feminists on the boards. Porn is an valuable part of many people's lives -- single, married, etc. I thought this was the B-Boys message board not the Christian Coalition.
Not porn, sex.

[timmie]

LOL....well, back in the late 80's very early 90's I think it was playboy mag!?! a pornstar (can't remember who!) said "well I had a good time with one of the Beastie Boys"......mmmmm......I wonder if that is true!!!.

Hey I'm only saying what the mag said!!!

[zorra_chiflada]

Whoa! What the hell? What's wrong with Hustler? Sounds like we've got some old school feminists on the boards. Porn is an valuable part of many people's lives -- single, married, etc. I thought this was the B-Boys message board not the Christian Coalition.

oh whatever :rolleyes:
(to start off with, i am an athiest)
sounds like you are offended by "old school" feminists. are you used to women being weak and helpless?
mmm is associated with a band that has publicly stated their stance on women's equality. (particularly horovitz, if you have noticed at all)
hustler and other magazines of that kind are not "valuable porn," they are vehicles of promoting degradation of women. and it's working.

so many people on this board are either completely stupid or completely morally bankrupt. (n)

[zorra_chiflada]

I'd say both, but would that mean I'm judging...?

nothing wrong with judging.

[Laver1969]

The Beasties were featured in an article in a Rock edition of Playboy back around HN. This issue had KISS on the cover.

[zorra_chiflada]

The Beasties were featured in an article in a Rock edition of Playboy back around HN. This issue had KISS on the cover.

i never knew that. could you show me a link to it?

[Laver1969]

i never knew that. could you show me a link to it?

Let's see...I'm not sure about a link, but here's some additional info.

It was the March 1999 issue called the Sex & Music Issue featuring The Girls of KISS. Lauryn Hill and the Beastie Boys are listed on the cover.

The article is written by Charles M Young and titled "Beastie Boys to Beastie Men, The Annals of three Pretty-Fly White Guys". It's not an interview but just more of a short history of their careers.

I'm pretty sure I had scanned this on my old computer and sent it to Wints to post. But either way it's gone from here.

[zorra_chiflada]

Let's see...I'm not sure about a link, but here's some additional info.

It was the March 1999 issue called the Sex & Music Issue featuring The Girls of KISS. Lauryn Hill and the Beastie Boys are listed on the cover.

The article is written by Charles M Young and titled "Beastie Boys to Beastie Men, The Annals of three Pretty-Fly White Guys". It's not an interview but just more of a short history of their careers.

I'm pretty sure I had scanned this on my old computer and sent it to Wints to post. But either way it's gone from here.


was it an interview that they agreed to do, knowing it was for playboy?

if so, for shame. (n)

[Laver1969]

No...i said it was NOT an interview...just a short biography/history on their career and how they've grown up and shit. :)

[zorra_chiflada]

No...i said it was NOT an interview...just a short biography/history on their career and how they've grown up and shit. :)

ok.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

thats really cool for Mike, he always was the pimpish one, i wouldnt exspect any less from him. The only thing that im thinking is Hustler is a little... how should I put it?.. Smutty? I wish that he would have done it for Playboy instead. They have a lot more class.
Now dont get me wrong, and dont start thinking im some subscriber to both mags or something, infact, ive never really picked up one in my life, but I have a lot of male friends who do read/look at them, i guess, and yes, Playboy is classy compared to Hustler.
For example, playboy has topless women, but hustler has women with thier legs spread open, etc.
THAT is degrading, but other then that I dont find it offensive, and I dont think men or women who look at it are wrong for what thier doing.
And I dont really think that ANYONE on this board can honestley say they've never watched a dirty movie, if you do say that your a liar so shut up and stop trying to make yourself look good, no ones buying it.

Good Job Mike, I hope you had a blast (y) (y)

(p.s- go 'head and post your hearts out about feminism. Tell me how wrong I am, I dont really care anymore, im used to it, and right about now even im starting to think im just trying to piss people off. oh well, doesnt really matter, half of you wont take the time to read this anyways)

and I dont recall Mike ever saying that he was a part of the whole feminist - bboys thing, Im sure hes very respectable to women, but just because he DJ's for the bboys doesnt mean he cant do an artical for Hustler, I dont think it said in the job description "must support us and everything we say, even if you dont like it" and I dont exactley see the boys in an uproar about this, they didnt fire him or send out bulletins about how "Mix Master Mike does not represent the veiws of the beastie boys" So just like the whole "sit on my face and tell me you love me" thing, I seriousley doubt they care.
And god forbid the man try and get some publicity. Lets face it, the beasties work at thier own leisure, and if I were Mike I'd probabley be doing the same thing.
For Christs sake, just let the man be, if he wants to do an artical for hustler, let him. If he wants to pose with 20 shirtless women who have "bitches" wrote across thier foreheads, let him, and if you dont like it, oh well, write angry letters to the boys, but thats the best advice i can give you.
But I dont really see how Mike being in Hustler, and Mike's veiws on women have anything to do with the MUSIC of the beasties.
go head, tell me Mike REPRESENTS the music, but I dont see how thats true.
if Mike's gay (dont quote me) if he HATES women, It doesnt matter, that has nothing to do with how well he can DJ.
I think if you should be complaining about anything, go protest NWA for saying fuck the police, go protest 50 Cent and them for talking about NOTHING in thier lyrics but fucking hoes and smacking bitches.
Mike didnt do anything wrong. Leave it alone.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Ps. Like2_drink says "It's not like he was flipping off the pope or anything, calm down"


well said brother, well said. (y)

[Documad]

The article is written by Charles M Young and titled "Beastie Boys to Beastie Men, The Annals of three Pretty-Fly White Guys". It's not an interview but just more of a short history of their careers.
I'd like to see that. Young is an entertaining writer.

A few times in the late 70s and early 80s I begged my dad to buy Playboy and Penthouse for me because there was a good rock article. They had some really long, Q&A style interviews. I think that Pete Townsend's most thorough explanation of his drug abuse and cure was in Penthouse, in a super long article. I remember that my dad got me the magazine right before I went on a camping trip with other young women and we read that magazine and howled at the letters from readers all weekend. So it was indirectly Pete Townsend who caused teenage Documad to find out that some men like to have women pee on them. :p

[Chicka B]

Men like women to pee on them, eesh! Why would anybody wanna be peed or pooed on? Hmm...

Also, I don't understand how some women posing naked for a magazine is degrading. :confused: They're grown women and they choose to do it so it's not like they're being forced. Besides they gets paaaid. Well I don't give a fuck if MMM was in a hustler magazine. Oh and Kristen, honestly I have never saw a "dirty" movie, like if you mean porn by that, yeah I saw movies with sex seens in it but not porn. Hell, I don't even know what an adults penis looks like I'm kind of curious but I'm too scared to find out. I'd do a search on the internet but this ain't my computer so. :p :o

[zorra_chiflada]

ok, first of all, i don't have anything against porn. yes they are grown women. what i have a problem with is the degrading way in which they are portrayed. you are a female yes? you really need to reassess the way you see yourself as a female in the world.

[zorra_chiflada]

(p.s- go 'head and post your hearts out about feminism. Tell me how wrong I am, I dont really care anymore, im used to it, and right about now even im starting to think im just trying to piss people off. oh well, doesnt really matter, half of you wont take the time to read this anyways)

and I dont recall Mike ever saying that he was a part of the whole feminist - bboys thing, Im sure hes very respectable to women, but just because he DJ's for the bboys doesnt mean he cant do an artical for Hustler, I dont think it said in the job description "must support us and everything we say, even if you dont like it" and I dont exactley see the boys in an uproar about this, they didnt fire him or send out bulletins about how "Mix Master Mike does not represent the veiws of the beastie boys" So just like the whole "sit on my face and tell me you love me" thing, I seriousley doubt they care.
And god forbid the man try and get some publicity. Lets face it, the beasties work at thier own leisure, and if I were Mike I'd probabley be doing the same thing.
For Christs sake, just let the man be, if he wants to do an artical for hustler, let him. If he wants to pose with 20 shirtless women who have "bitches" wrote across thier foreheads, let him, and if you dont like it, oh well, write angry letters to the boys, but thats the best advice i can give you.
But I dont really see how Mike being in Hustler, and Mike's veiws on women have anything to do with the MUSIC of the beasties.
go head, tell me Mike REPRESENTS the music, but I dont see how thats true.
if Mike's gay (dont quote me) if he HATES women, It doesnt matter, that has nothing to do with how well he can DJ.
I think if you should be complaining about anything, go protest NWA for saying fuck the police, go protest 50 Cent and them for talking about NOTHING in thier lyrics but fucking hoes and smacking bitches.
Mike didnt do anything wrong. Leave it alone.

ok, well you're probably the biggest idiot here. not because you have an opinion different to mine - it's because you don't know anything about what you're talking about, kiddo.
women who are anti-feminist, well i've encountered them before. but you, you're a whole other story. your attitude and complacency is going to get you in trouble one day.
you can say what you want, but please don't try to trick people into thinking you're actually a reputable source of information. :rolleyes:
i would really like to hear what horovitz has to say about this situation.

[zorra_chiflada]

Ps. Like2_drink says "It's not like he was flipping off the pope or anything, calm down"


well said brother, well said. (y)

yeah, because the pope deserves so much more respect than any woman, right?

i seriously can't believe i have to argue this. just when i thought people couldn't get any more pathetic.

[Chicka B]

Yeah I think I'm pretty important...well not yet but. :p How are they portrayed? I've never seen a porn magazine or playboy or whatever, but they like pose naked right? Well they have playgirl so that makes it equal right? Maan, I really needs ta get my facts togetha! :D Sorry, I'm acting retarded cuz I'm tired. Do you think I'm an idiot? :( Because I think women are equal to men ya know.

[zorra_chiflada]

Yeah I think I'm pretty important...well not yet but. :p How are they portrayed? I've never seen a porn magazine or playboy or whatever, but they like pose naked right? Well they have playgirl so that makes it equal right? Maan, I really needs ta get my facts togetha! :D Sorry, I'm acting retarded cuz I'm tired. Do you think I'm an idiot? :( Because I think women are equal to men ya know.

as i said, porn is fine with me - (even though it does tend to promote sexualisation of all women) - people can get off from porn all they want. i'm not from the christian far-right trying to remove all the pleasure from peoples lives.

it's not just about grown women posing gyno shots in magazines, it's a whole culture that promotes negative views of all women.

(p.s. playgirl is not equal to playboy, unfortunately)

[Chicka B]

Like they make all women seem like horny sluts? Because I agree with that, I get all pissed when I see that girls gone wild commercial cuz they are so stupid they don't know they're being degraded, and they don't even get paid! Not that it matters. But men are sort of played out to be horny bastards that only like sex when it's not always true. Only sometimes when people get all horny and stuff right.

[zorra_chiflada]

mmm probably didn't think that there was any problem with it.
and i suppose having something in some piece of shit magazine is not going to lose him fans because no-one seems to give a shit. oh well, carry on.

[MaestroDenis]

Statistically, men think about sex every 17 seconds (conciously or sub-conciously), so yeah it does make us a bunch of horny bastards I suppose :). As I type really slow I have thought about sex about 3 times while typing this post.


MD

PS. Any pictures of the bboys with chicks from the mag?

[EN[i]GMA]

It's also a possibility that he was tricked into thinking it wasn't Hustler.

It's what happend to Noam Chomsky.

He was interviewed for a magazine, he didn't know which one, but the description didn't include "slutty porn" and so he does the interview then BAM!, a few weeks later, Noam Chomsky in Hustler.

Could be what happend.

Or he could have just done an interview in Hustler.

[acamus]

Well I wouldn't say offended, but femimism has moved on from the reactionary Gloria Steinem days. Feminists like myself (yes, I'm male) saw things get a whole lot more complicated. We saw our lesbian friends reading Hustler, we saw the old school de-sexing everything and we lashed back. Sex is good. Pictures of bodies are good. Strong, smart, sexy women like Camile Paglia watch and support even the most bizzare works of porn. The problem for women hasn't been porn. This is just like the current scape goat for violence -- videogames. The problem has been systemic; low wages, lack of control over one's body, gender roles, etc. What exactly is Hustler doing to degrade women? Take a look at another issue and try to see dark humor, irony, sarcasm. It's the same view you have to take to understand the majority of commercial hip hop.

oh whatever :rolleyes:
(to start off with, i am an athiest)
sounds like you are offended by "old school" feminists. are you used to women being weak and helpless?
mmm is associated with a band that has publicly stated their stance on women's equality. (particularly horovitz, if you have noticed at all)
hustler and other magazines of that kind are not "valuable porn," they are vehicles of promoting degradation of women. and it's working.

so many people on this board are either completely stupid or completely morally bankrupt. (n)

[cj hood]

porn's good n'kay

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

ok, well you're probably the biggest idiot here. not because you have an opinion different to mine - it's because you don't know anything about what you're talking about, kiddo.
women who are anti-feminist, well i've encountered them before. but you, you're a whole other story. your attitude and complacency is going to get you in trouble one day.
you can say what you want, but please don't try to trick people into thinking you're actually a reputable source of information. :rolleyes:
i would really like to hear what horovitz has to say about this situation.

yeah, thats always the story around here. Im too young to have a valid opinion right?
Your right, I do not like hard core feminists. I dont like women who have a problem with men just because thier men. You might as well join the KKK while your at it, its basically the same thing.
Im not trying to "trick" anyone into thinking anything, last I heard I can say whatever I want on this messege board, and I dont know why you think your opinion is better then mine.
either way, I dont really care.

[zorra_chiflada]

in response to what you said, acamus, i think that the neo-feminism movementyou talked of is bullshit - it is more counteractive to the movement than proactive.
and yes, i still do have problems with all the things you mentioned.
however, at the moment, the topic at hand is the fact that mmm has appeared in a porn mag.

yeah, thats always the story around here. Im too young to have a valid opinion right?
Your right, I do not like hard core feminists. I dont like women who have a problem with men just because thier men. You might as well join the KKK while your at it, its basically the same thing.
Im not trying to "trick" anyone into thinking anything, last I heard I can say whatever I want on this messege board, and I dont know why you think your opinion is better then mine.
either way, I dont really care.

do i really have to tell you again?
you have history on these boards for putting your foot in your mouth. it has made people take you less seriously. i want you to really think about what you're saying before you post it.
i don't know what you've been taught, but where i'm from feminism does not equate with the kkk. making throw away statements like that is careless, and undermines the point you're trying to make. of course you can have your opinion, i'm not trying to take that away from you. i'm just really offended by everything you said, and i'm refuting it. that is allowed as well. :)
p.s. i don't hate men. i hate all people equally.

[Kid Presentable]

If anybody's exploited by Porn, it's the men who spend all that money on it.

I think in empowerment we find many things. Degradation and empowerment are often interchangeable, it just depends on who you ask. I agree that 'Gyno' shots are very alienating and degrading, I have often wondered at more than a superficial level, excluding any moral judgments, what exactly goes through the mind of a spread eagled 18 year old in a room full of men?
ON the flip side, I have no problem with pornography, and as lame as it sounds, have done some research into who these women are. For instance, Belladonna had been forced into a gang bang scene at one point in her career. I don't advocate that at all, and am reluctant to endorse that in any way. I doubt that helps my cause at all, but let's say I've garnered an understanding of who is exploiting women for the sake of degradation and some perverse sense of empowerment, and who is producing product for the sake of eroticism and to some degree art.

If MMM had appeared in 'War' magazine on a page opposite an airbrushed, nude warhead, then I suppose it would be kind of fair to lump him in with a pro-war crowd. Just.

Hustler is kind of a low standard, but their niche is what it is.

Is Mike D being 'The Sex Rhyme Kid' exploitative of women? I think it's in good fun. Then again, MIke D's using it in a kind of self-deprecating, ironic manner. The first thing MMM would have done would have been to check with his wife, I'm sure. I can see how some wouldn't see the funny side of Mixmaster in Hustler, but what can you do? No offense at all, Zorra, because the world needs folks like you, but I don't see a huge problem, I hope you don't think I'm morally bankrupt :( .

ps. way to overthink, Kid Presentable :rolleyes:

[zorra_chiflada]

No offense at all, Zorra, because the world needs folks like you, but I don't see a huge problem, I hope you don't think I'm morally bankrupt :( .

ps. way to overthink, Kid Presentable :rolleyes:

oh, no offense taken kid. you've made a really well reasoned argument, rather than just name calling. there's two sides to everything, and i'm glad you posted. :)

i would be a lot more content if the porn industry was about equality - and men and women were viewed in the same light.
and if every single woman was completely happy with what she was doing
and if porn was more based on normal, everyday people.
and if hustler magazine was really about empowerment of women and men.

i know you all think i'm a crazy feminist, but basically i am for the same things that most people are, i just view them from a different light.
it's no fault of either gender, but we just have to be a bit more aware.

[Kid Presentable]

oh, no offense taken kid. you've made a really well reasoned argument, rather than just name calling. there's two sides to everything, and i'm glad you posted. :)

i would be a lot more content if the porn industry was about equality - and men and women were viewed in the same light.
and if every single woman was completely happy with what she was doing
and if porn was more based on normal, everyday people.
and if hustler magazine was really about empowerment of women and men.

i know you all think i'm a crazy feminist, but basically i am for the same things that most people are, i just view them from a different light.
it's no fault of either gender, but we just have to be a bit more aware.

There is a slow movement towards what you've cited as your desires for this industry. Less of the trashy "let's make this bitch look stupid" porn, and more of the stuff you're talking about.

It doesn't mean it's all there is, but at least negativity doesn't completely permeate pornography.

You are right, though, the most important part is being aware. We have to think about everything we choose to do or support. (y)

You're not crazy.

[Laver1969]

I do know that Hustler took a shot at the Beasties back in their December 2000 issue. They made fun of the Beasties on a page called "Cause Celebrities - Fund-raising Stunts We'd Pay to See"

The caption says:
"The Beastie Boys - Nothing raises jack for Mumia Abu-Jamal's defense like a gang-bang on Riker's Island. Seventy-two hours of end-to-end, botty-boy action speak louder than words delivered at fancy benefit concerts."

And it has the three Beasties' heads pasted on three guys bent over getting some "action in the back section" from a black guy in front of a prison area.

Then there's a cartoon character guy with a sign that says "Free Mumia! plus $2.95 shipping & handling"

By the way...when was the MMM interview/article? Feb/March 05?

[Kid Presentable]

I do know that Hustler took a shot at the Beasties back in their December 2000 issue. They made fun of the Beasties on a page called "Cause Celebrities - Fund-raising Stunts We'd Pay to See"

The caption says:
"The Beastie Boys - Nothing raises jack for Mumia Abu-Jamal's defense like a gang-bang on Riker's Island. Seventy-two hours of end-to-end, botty-boy action speak louder than words delivered at fancy benefit concerts."

And it has the three Beasties' heads pasted on three guys bent over getting some "action in the back section" from a black guy in front of a prison area.

Then there's a cartoon character guy with a sign that says "Free Mumia! plus $2.95 shipping & handling"

By the way...when was the MMM interview/article? Feb/March 05?

The B-Boys really cop some shit...

[Documad]

I have a question. I haven't seen Hustler since the late 1970s when my brother had some and they scared the shit out of me. Back then, they featured lots of photos of tied up women and really horrificly violent cartoons. Have they toned it down so it's more Playboy-esque or is it still that bad? I'm no fan of porn, but I'm also big on free speech. I've never looked at MMM as a Beastie Boy or a role model. I'm just wondering whether Hustler is still at the bottom of the barrel contentwise. If that's MMM's audience then I'm glad I decided not to see him when he was here. :p


Zorra, you're raising good points and lots of Americans would have been interested in that stuff in the early 80s but we're in a post-feminist phase right now where educated women think it's cool to emulate the foul Camille Paglia.

[Kid Presentable]

I have a question. I haven't seen Hustler since the late 1970s when my brother had some and they scared the shit out of me. Back then, they featured lots of photos of tied up women and really horrificly violent cartoons. Have they toned it down so it's more Playboy-esque or is it still that bad? I'm no fan of porn, but I'm also big on free speech. I've never looked at MMM as a Beastie Boy or a role model. I'm just wondering whether Hustler is still at the bottom of the barrel contentwise. If that's MMM's audience then I'm glad I decided not to see him when he was here. :p


Zorra, you're raising good points and lots of Americans would have been interested in that stuff in the early 80s but we're in a post-feminist phase right now where educated women think it's cool to emulate the foul Camille Paglia.

Hustler is pretty much regular porn now, I think. It just doesn't capture women in the same way as something like Penthouse I guess.

When comparing the two, Hustler is your Made for T.V flick, Penthouse is Jurassic Park.

[Tzar]

bloody H. Christ, some peeps are making this a big deal.

so what if Mix Master was in a porn magazine? he chose to be in there. i doubt it makes him less of a person because he is in a gent's magazine.

[zorra_chiflada]

bloody H. Christ, some peeps are making this a big deal.

so what if Mix Master was in a porn magazine? he chose to be in there. i doubt it makes him less of a person because he is in a gent's magazine.

well, i don't know. i thought that maybe being associated with a band like the beastie boys would dictate what kind of things mmm would associate himself with. i don't know what the situation was.

[Kid Presentable]

bloody H. Christ, some peeps are making this a big deal.

so what if Mix Master was in a porn magazine? he chose to be in there. i doubt it makes him less of a person because he is in a gent's magazine.

It's good to discuss things. (y)

[Documad]

Hustler is pretty much regular porn now, I think. It just doesn't capture women in the same way as something like Penthouse I guess.

When comparing the two, Hustler is your Made for T.V flick, Penthouse is Jurassic Park.
Wow, that's the opposite of how it used to be! I can't explain how icky Hustler was. Penthouse used to be pretty softcore and Hustler was all about violent fantasies against women. I'm glad I asked.

[Kid Presentable]

Wow, that's the opposite of how it used to be! I can't explain how icky Hustler was. Penthouse used to be pretty softcore and Hustler was all about violent fantasies against women. I'm glad I asked.

I could be wrong, it's just that now I'm a 24 year old teenager I appreciate the artsy glamour shit. Maybe they do the same things, just in slightly different ways.

I don't want no trouble :(

[Laver1969]

Wow, that's the opposite of how it used to be! I can't explain how icky Hustler was. Penthouse used to be pretty softcore and Hustler was all about violent fantasies against women. I'm glad I asked.

The Hustler mag I have is definitely more "hardcore" than the Penthouse mag. But there aren't any violent fantasies against women or stuff.

Isn't porn an interesting topic. Back in college I attended a "debate" on the subject. The editor of "Screw" magazine...I can't think of his name...Al something I think...debated some well-known women's rights activist. It was a very spirited debate and the audience was completely divided into men vs. woman.

[Documad]

Andrea Dworkin perhaps?

[Laver1969]

Andrea Dworkin perhaps?

I'm not sure. That doesn't ring a bell but this was probably in 1988/89 and they toured around the college circuit with these debates.

[Kid Presentable]

The editor of "Screw" magazine...I can't think of his name...Al something I think...debated some well-known women's rights activist. It was a very spirited debate and the audience was completely divided into men vs. woman.

It's on 'Flute Loop'.

"Like Al Goldstein, I'm all about the Screwin'"...

[Laver1969]

It's on 'Flute Loop'.

"Like Al Goldstein, I'm all about the Screwin'"...

Wow...you're absolutely right. (y)

[Laver1969]

Andrea Dworkin perhaps?

The internet is amazing. But a quick search and this is it.

"Susan G. Cole, a Toronto native, is an author, a playwright, and the senior entertainment and books editor at NOW Magazine, Canada's premier news and entertainment weekly.

Ms. Cole has been very active in the anti-pornography movement since demonstrations against the movie Snuff in the late 70s. She also crossed Canadian college campuses during the 80s doing a series of well-attended debates with Screw Magazine publisher Al Goldstein. Goldstein liked to turn them into major spectacles but Susan matched his theatrics every time.

Additionally, Ms. Cole has written countless essays and articles in the area of violence against women; many of them are collected in Power Surge: Sex, Violence and Pornography. Her first book, Pornography and the Sex Crisis, is required reading in Women Studies courses across the country.

Susan earned her bachelor's degree at Harvard University. She's written about everything from lesbo-punks Tribad 8 to Pulitzer Prizewinning author Toni Morrison, with the likes of Ellen Degeneres and Margaret Atwood in between."

[Documad]

Larry Flynt got his early publicity by being a lot more icky than the other porn mags at the time.

On the positive side, he did that naughty cartoon parody about Jerry Falwell (saying Falwell had sex with his mother in an outhouse), Falwell sued for libel, and Hustler won because Falwell was a public figure and it was in fun.


I've never heard of the Cole woman. I was guessing Dworkin because she used to be on Donahue a lot, but that was much earlier. I can't remember when she died. I think Dworkin was active in Minneapolis things too. Some of those women were kind of out there and Dworkin ran afoul of the first amendment, but I enjoyed the debate.

[Kid Presentable]

If its web site is any indicator, Hustler magazine is not made-for-tv. That description might be more appropriate for Playboy. Hustler looks as skanky as it gets.


Bad analogy on my part...

[balohna]

Hustler has guys and girls in it, I don't get what all this feminist talk is about. Sure the guy is just sort of "there", but you do get some cock shots and stuff. It's not just women posing.

[zorra_chiflada]

Hustler has guys and girls in it, I don't get what all this feminist talk is about. Sure the guy is just sort of "there", but you do get some cock shots and stuff. It's not just women posing.

you're missing the point
the beastie boys have tried very hard to improve their image from what they used to be - and succeeding. since mix master mike is associated with the beastie boys, i can't understand why they would let him appear in such a magazine (that is, if he did choose to) it seems like a step in the wrong direction, opposing everything the beastie boys stand for.

[alcamus]

"let him"? did you ever read grand royal? ricky powell and others wrote pieces for the mag and the boys ran the disclaimer "the opinions expressed ..." for god's sake, what would adam have learned from buddhism didn't "let" MMM do his own thing? besides, where is this victorian attitude towards porn coming from?

you're missing the point
the beastie boys have tried very hard to improve their image from what they used to be - and succeeding. since mix master mike is associated with the beastie boys, i can't understand why they would let him appear in such a magazine (that is, if he did choose to) it seems like a step in the wrong direction, opposing everything the beastie boys stand for.

[zorra_chiflada]

besides, where is this victorian attitude towards porn coming from?

oh, come on. it's hardly victorian.
i never thought i'd have to defend myself against anti-feminists and be the subject of name-calling just because i think mmm appearing in such a magazine was really weak.
i don't have a problem with people using "pornography," but people saying how it "really is liberating for women" and congratulating mmm is really beyond me.

p.s. i don't understand how you bringing buddhism into the argument is relevant to your point.
what is the buddhist's stance on pornography? do they think it's empowering for women as well? :rolleyes:

[alcamus]

Zorra, name calling? No wonder so many people get into fisticuffs on this site over nothing. I recall saying "victorian attitude" not that you were a victorian. That is NOT name calling.

I am NOT anti-feminist. I said it earilier in this thread so let me be clear -- I'm male and I am a feminist.

Who's saying it's liberating to women? I didn't. No one else that posted did. But just because it's not liberating doesn't make it degrading either.

As far as buddhism, re-read what I was responding to. It was something along the lines of "letting MMM appear in ..." There's nothing evangelical about it and you don't find buddists preaching to others about what they're supposed to do or not do.

oh, come on. it's hardly victorian.
i never thought i'd have to defend myself against anti-feminists and be the subject of name-calling just because i think mmm appearing in such a magazine was really weak.
i don't have a problem with people using "pornography," but people saying how it "really is liberating for women" and congratulating mmm is really beyond me.

p.s. i don't understand how you bringing buddhism into the argument is relevant to your point.
what is the buddhist's stance on pornography? do they think it's empowering for women as well? :rolleyes:

[alcamus]

Yeah this is a public messag board, but your response seems unsolicited and from left field somehow. It's probably because for one, you don't seem to have read the whole thread. Two, who are you to say what the discussion is about, check who started it. And third, like many of your posts (although you add a great deal to the board), you come off condescendingly. Your second paragraph makes a better start to your thread.

It's comments like "he's better than Hustler" that moved this thread into questions about porn. I guess it's a matter of cultural differences or taste.

I don't believe anyone has expressed a Victorian view about anything here. This isn't a discussion about whether porn is good or bad; it's a discussion about whether MMM's appearance in a porn magazine is a good or bad thing. Zorra added a dimension to the discussion by commenting that she believes MMM represents the Beastie Boys and thus his appearance in the porn mag reflects on them.

Although I can follow Zorra's reasoning, I don't agree with it. MMM records as an individual artist, so I don't see his appearance in any publication or at an event as something that represents the Beastie Boys unless all he speaks about is his work with the Beastie Boys. I suspect that the article in Hustler was done to promote "Bangzilla" and that djing is the focus of the article. It would be nice if we could see the actual article to know for sure.

Whatever the case, I like MMM and I don't really think any less of him as a musician for appearing in the magazine. I think it was an unwise decision to appear in the magazine because it turns off a lot of people and because he's better than Hustler magazine, but it's not going to make me stop listening to him.

You know these days no one's exploited
"FYR" - Le Tigre

[zorra_chiflada]

As far as buddhism, re-read what I was responding to. It was something along the lines of "letting MMM appear in ..." There's nothing evangelical about it and you don't find buddists preaching to others about what they're supposed to do or not do.

i read what you said, i was just being silly.
but suggesting that yauch's religious beliefs would prevent mix master mike - practically a member of the beastie boys- from making a mistake that could damage their public image (that they've worked so hard to change), is a bit naive.

[alcamus]

Hey, this is nice. This seems like we're coming to some understanding.

On this second point though, I'm confused. I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.

i read what you said, i was just being silly.
but suggesting that yauch's religious beliefs would prevent mix master mike - practically a member of the beastie boys- from making a mistake that could damage their public image (that they've worked so hard to change), is a bit naive.

[cj hood]

i remember when the Surf MC's were in Gent.........heads were pissed!!!

[Documad]

Yeah this is a public messag board, but your response seems unsolicited and from left field somehow. It's probably because for one, you don't seem to have read the whole thread. Two, who are you to say what the discussion is about, check who started it.
I think maybe you're reading something into her post that wasn't there. I read the "victorian" comments the same way she did and thought they were out of line. The person who started the thread just said as a matter of fact that there was an article. It was the next few people, including yourself, who turned it into a debate about porn. That happens here all the time. I think we often respond to what the last few people were saying rather than the original post (or threads wouldn't get this long and would be full of "thanks for the tip" and other nonsense).

It's comments like "he's better than Hustler" that moved this thread into questions about porn. I guess it's a matter of cultural differences or taste. I think it was actually your first post in the thread that changed the direction and caused the thread to get so long. And that's a good thing. I love healthy debate. :)

[alcamus]

Why can't I say what I think this discussion is about? Am I not allowed? How is who started this thread relevant to the discussion? Are you saying you're lord and commander of this thread and I should bow to you?

I understand that it might be confusing, but for various reasons I am "acamus" and alcamus". I started the thread. It was the comment that MMM appearing in a porn mag is disgraceful that started this discussion down this path.

Don't be sore because I pointed out that you were changing the subject. Victorian attitude...pfbt! And Zorra's frickin' right about your bringing Buddhism into the discussion! It has nothing to do with it. Talk about left field!

I can't waste key strokes on this one; read it again if you care that much.

Your mother was a hamster, and your father smells of elderberry.

If you think a personal attack bothers me, think again. Only people whom I respect and care about have the ability to affect my feelings. I think your announcing that you find my comments condescending says more about you than me.

Personal attack? I see. You're saying that my remarks that your post appeared to be condescending is now considered a personal attack? I can't help you there.

Why don't you tell us what you think a feminist is? I'm sincerely interested in hearing your definition. If you're a true feminist, you won't be bothered by the challenge. I know it will be changing the subject, but what the hell!

There are lots of kinds and flavors. To be glib but to make a point quickly, in my view women and men are equally valuable and, yes, there's still a way to go to spread that word. There is plenty of systemic discrimination that needs to be changed. There's more but that says it.

The fact that you're trying to stifle Zorra and me makes me think you're something other than a feminist.

What? Stifle Zorra and you? How am I trying to stifle anyone? I respond to ya'lls posts. I have a different opinion. What's stifling about that? Besides I though Zorra and I were coming to better understanding and I hope she continues to write. Stifling? Well goddamn.

[zorra_chiflada]

Hey, this is nice. This seems like we're coming to some understanding.

On this second point though, I'm confused. I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.

yeah, i was starting to confuse myself :p

what i was saying that as mix master mike represents a group that have been in the public eye for their change of attitudes and behaviour, he has a certain responsibility to ensure that their image is not damaged.
again, i just think he didn't think there was anything wrong with it.

[Documad]

I understand that it might be confusing, but for various reasons I am "acamus" and alcamus". I started the thread. It was the comment that MMM appearing in a porn mag is disgraceful that started this discussion down this path.
Okay, I had no idea you were posting in two different names. No wonder you were touchy in that 5th post. :D

I don't like being told that I should join a Christian message board every other month. I've said it before, but I'm not a Christian. I'm a Beastie Boys fan. One of the many good things about being a fan of this band is that there are a lot of intelligent fans from different backgrounds with different opinions.

[Laver1969]

Hey acamus and alcamus,

Do you have the actual article? Or have you seen it? If you have it, can you scan and post it?

I am interested in seeing the article. Do you know which specific issue it was in? I've tried a couple of searches but haven't been able to find any info about which issue MMM appears in.

Feminism, pornography, and the Beasties' political/social views can all be controversial. When you throw them all in a thread you'll get some healthy heated debate. I think seeing the context of the actual article will tell us a lot.

[wrongwayandugg]

Whoa! What the hell? What's wrong with Hustler? Sounds like we've got some old school feminists on the boards. Porn is an valuable part of many people's lives -- single, married, etc. I thought this was the B-Boys message board not the Christian Coalition.

In the name of the father, and of the... oops.. wrong board.

[balohna]

you're missing the point
the beastie boys have tried very hard to improve their image from what they used to be - and succeeding. since mix master mike is associated with the beastie boys, i can't understand why they would let him appear in such a magazine (that is, if he did choose to) it seems like a step in the wrong direction, opposing everything the beastie boys stand for.
I wasn't commenting on that. I was commenting on the feminist talk. I don't see how I missed the point on a subject I didn't comment on. As far as what you said I kind of agree, but they can't stop him from doing what he wants. He's his own man.

You still didn't respond to my statement though.

[alcamus]

yeah, i was starting to confuse myself :p

what i was saying that as mix master mike represents a group that have been in the public eye for their change of attitudes and behaviour, he has a certain responsibility to ensure that their image is not damaged.
again, i just think he didn't think there was anything wrong with it.

Yeah, I agree that appearing in the mag is risky for their fan base. They seem to have two bases. There's the one that never got the satire of LTI, the frat boys and (probably to a lesser extent) sorority girls without whom they don't sell platinum. Then there's the core group who understand them for their history, impact, musical talent, smart/funny lyrics, etc.

I don't know if he knew who was interviewing him, so I don't know whether or not he thought there was anything wrong with it. As far as alienating fans I think the move (if anything, I doubt it has much impact at all) might bring in fans who are more of the Ricky Powell/Mass Appeal (magazine) crowd. The ones who don't mind smut, dirty jokes, etc. I don't think it would push too many of their progressive minded fans away.

What's been even riskier to their sales (this is already in many other posts) is their specific attacks on Bush (I want him out too) instead of simply slipping in general political statements (the environment, women's rights, etc.) like the did on CYH, IC and HN. And the spyware rumor. (Karl Rove, do you have that much time on your hands?)

Zorra, I don't support degrading women. I support lifting all human sisters up. I don't happen to agree with the boy's opinion or move away from their sexually adolescent stuff -- I always find the whiffle ball bat line funny. This is very similar to the videogame furor that's going on now. IMHO, fiction does not make people do bad things; it's their overall social circumstances not these other scape goats. I'm not saying I know all and I did get touchy over the porn thing. Maybe I do have an axe to grind. Thanks for the fun debate.

[alcamus]

Hey acamus and alcamus,

Do you have the actual article? Or have you seen it? If you have it, can you scan and post it?

I am interested in seeing the article. Do you know which specific issue it was in? I've tried a couple of searches but haven't been able to find any info about which issue MMM appears in.

Feminism, pornography, and the Beasties' political/social views can all be controversial. When you throw them all in a thread you'll get some healthy heated debate. I think seeing the context of the actual article will tell us a lot.

Unfortunately I don't have it. I bought a copy in February or March. It could have been a January, February, March or April copy. My gut tells me that it was a February or March issue. I read the article and recycled it. Sorry.

[alcamus]

Okay, I had no idea you were posting in two different names. No wonder you were touchy in that 5th post. :D

I don't like being told that I should join a Christian message board every other month. I've said it before, but I'm not a Christian. I'm a Beastie Boys fan. One of the many good things about being a fan of this band is that there are a lot of intelligent fans from different backgrounds with different opinions.

I work with some older people who have said that they think youth language is harsh, foul and mean. I can see what you're saying about being touchy in the 5th post and I think I was. I can also say that it was written in a confrontational style. So I guess I've learned my lesson. If you can't be face to face relying on your affect to convey a kinder tone despite the words you're using, don't write that way on a message board. Lesson learned. Thanks.

Okay, no more banishing you to the Moral Marjority boards. We pagans can live in harmony right here.

[zorra_chiflada]

I wasn't commenting on that. I was commenting on the feminist talk. I don't see how I missed the point on a subject I didn't comment on. As far as what you said I kind of agree, but they can't stop him from doing what he wants. He's his own man.

You still didn't respond to my statement though.

the statement that "feminists shouldn't be getting pissed off about porno mags because they have cocks in them as well"?
well, it's not the men that are the subject. it's not the men that are treated like trash. it's that simple.

[Documad]

I work with some older people who have said that they think youth language is harsh, foul and mean.
I didn't mean anything personal by my comment. :) It's just that when I read the thread at first, it seemed like you were jumping into the discussion like you had a personal stake in it. I hadn't noticed how similar your name was to the thread starter.

I didn't join the substance of the discussion, in part because I don't consider MMM to be a BB. But the issues of is there anything wrong with Hustler and is porn good for society are interesting ones I'd rather debate somewhere other than in the context of a MMM article. (I am such a huge 1st Amendment fan that I used to be a big supporter of porn. I'm less supportive now, even though I'd never try to regulate it. In the past decade or so I've seen how much harm it does to women who participate in the industry and to a small, sick segment of society. I get that it's not porn's fault that every sexual psychopath has had the same early exposure to porn and later addiction to it. But it's an interesting fact.)

[alcamus]

I didn't mean anything personal by my comment. :) It's just that when I read the thread at first, it seemed like you were jumping into the discussion like you had a personal stake in it. I hadn't noticed how similar your name was to the thread starter.

I didn't join the substance of the discussion, in part because I don't consider MMM to be a BB. But the issues of is there anything wrong with Hustler and is porn good for society are interesting ones I'd rather debate somewhere other than in the context of a MMM article. (I am such a huge 1st Amendment fan that I used to be a big supporter of porn. I'm less supportive now, even though I'd never try to regulate it. In the past decade or so I've seen how much harm it does to women who participate in the industry and to a small, sick segment of society. I get that it's not porn's fault that every sexual psychopath has had the same early exposure to porn and later addiction to it. But it's an interesting fact.)

I think for the most part we agree. I just want to be clear when I said, "I work with some older people who have said that they think youth language is harsh, foul and mean." I was talking about my 5th post among others. I was talking about myself not you! I think that my tone made things worse not better. I'm not taking what you're saying personally. We're good. :)

[zorra_chiflada]

could it have been that the interview was done by a freelance writer and the magzine may have been the one to get it first and publish it?

yes, it is very possible. i was thinking about this the whole time.
however, we were discussing the "what ifs"

[Laver1969]

Ok...I did some more digging. It's the April 2005 issue.

On the cover it says "Beastie DJ Mix Master Mike" then has a close of him and under the picture says "Spins Tales". I'll try and get the actual magazine to see what the article says.

I found it on a usedmagazines website.

[zorra_chiflada]

It would be boring if everyone posted who they thought was a bitch or an asshole, or whose writing style they find funny, condescending, or whatever as part of a discussion or debate.



or it would be beastie-free!

[acamus]

Yes, that is a personal attack. You could have disagreed with me without commenting on me personally. Did I call you an asshole or prick? Did I call your writing style witless, dull, or condescending? No.

Calling me an asshole or a prick is very different from saying that your post is condescending. That's a false analogy.

Anyhow, you've got me pegged all wrong. You mistake attitude for condescension. I'm not going to let anyone try to tell me there's something wrong with having attitude. Attitude has taken me far. If you don't like my attitude...well, to quote you, I can't help you there.

I'm glad you can let this roll of your back. Four hundred words later, it's clear that you're unphased. Good luck with that attitude.

[cubsfirstplace]

so has anyone actualy read the article?

[Laver1969]

so has anyone actualy read the article?

Nope. But finding it is on my to-do list.

[nodoubtTIF]

I have a question. I haven't seen Hustler since the late 1970s when my brother had some and they scared the shit out of me. Back then, they featured lots of photos of tied up women and really horrificly violent cartoons.

That is exactly why Hustler is such a bad magazine. There was also a controversial picture of a woman in a meat grinder. I believe her head was inside the meat grinder part so you couldn't see her face. Hustler had ALOT of really twisted images (I'm also not sure if ther still have them).

Whoa! What the hell? What's wrong with Hustler? Sounds like we've got some old school feminists on the boards.

All the stuff above is what is wrong with Hustler. If it hadn't been for "old school feminists" those crazy ass pictures would still be there and be considered "okay". Hopefully those same feminists can put a stop to the backlash of teen porno.

The only thing that im thinking is Hustler is a little... how should I put it?.. Smutty? I wish that he would have done it for Playboy instead. They have a lot more class.
For example, playboy has topless women, but hustler has women with thier legs spread open, etc.

Playboy has plenty of legs spread shots. I don't think any porno mag could be "classy".


if Mike's gay (dont quote me) if he HATES women, It doesnt matter, that has nothing to do with how well he can DJ.

So if Mike was a child molester would you praise his djing then? I'm pretty sure in reality you wouldn't support someone who supports bad things.... or at least I hope you wouldn't.


Your right, I do not like hard core feminists. I dont like women who have a problem with men just because thier men. You might as well join the KKK while your at it, its basically the same thing.


Feminism in no way has anything to do with hating men. That is a complete stereotype! Any woman who hates men is a sexist, not a feminist. It's extremely insulting to classify "man haters" as feminists. The whole woman's rights movement is based on equality, not putting another gender down.
Plus, any woman who says they are for woman's rights and hates men is probably not even a feminist at all. They just say they are so they could put another gender down instead of equalizing another. I feel the same way about the KKK. They arn't for "white power". They just are in it to put other races down.