make the next album with the dust brothers

[pesto pizza]

i love all the beasties albums and i got a feeling the next will be their last,so it would be good to see them hook up with the dust brothers again and make another totally different masterpiece.1989 was the best year of my life and paul's boutique was the soundtrack to that year for me.the dust brothers did an album with tenacious d a few years back and that was also a masterpiece so they still got what it takes to make me happy and i just don't like any old shit.

[RobMoney]

Probably won't happen

I think their main goal with music is to do things that have never been done before. Push the envelope.


I don't think they'd want to make the same album over again.

[Brother McDuff]

I don't think that working with the dust brothers again necessarily entails them making the same album again. I think a project with the dust brothers could turn out to be something totally different, still. both the bboys and the dust bros. have gained alot more knowledge and expertise since 89, I think if they ever hooked up again they should try something totally wild.

[cj hood]

i think they should work with the remixers here.........taco zip and company!!!!

[Pootytang]

nYgel should apply for a remixing job with the boys.

[cwdoom]

that will never happen. like RobMoney said the beastie boys have always moved on to the next thing. if anything they should get back with mario or have madlib collaborate.

[brmanuk]

well if they won't get back with the dust bro's becasue they like to move on, then surely they won't get back with mario c for the same reasons. i think making an album with the dust brothers would be great, beck made an album with them, moved on, then came back to them with his latest album. the dust brothers don't just do sample style music, their fight club soundtrack is very different to their hip hop work and with that soundtrack in mind, especially considering that the beasties last two albums have been more 'electronic' orientated then their previous albums, making a non sample style album with the dust brothers could happen as both teams seem to be moving in that direction for their own work. if that makes sense.

however, what i would love to see is the beastie boys using as many samples as possible (like pauls boutique, but obivoulsy not that many) but also using their instuments, ill communication style, to make an album. becks latest album turned out nicely using this format, so im sure the beasties could figure something origional and unique for their 'final' album.

[dirtydan11]

nYgel should apply for a remixing job with the boys.
word

[TomHedd]

Neptunes or a dj team with Mixmaster Mike, Dj Shadow and Cut Chemist.

[Adrobin]

mix master mike, cut chemist, and kid koala

[romanpetr]

mix master mike, cut chemist, and kid koala

so,add also - Freddy Fresh and DJ Shadow!!! :p

[Chicka B]

Why does everyone think the next one's gonna be their last? :(

[dave790]

The Beasties should do the one thing they've always done...which is simply doing their own thing and what they want, which means working with whoever and what not...the results are always amazing :)

Fans seem to want to tell them what to do as if it's their define right, I'm simply grateful they're still making music and doing what they love. The last album they simply started of by themselves and carried on that way...the next, and not final, record can be how they want it to be.

[TheMightyAjax]

well if they won't get back with the dust bro's becasue they like to move on, then surely they won't get back with mario c for the same reasons. i think making an album with the dust brothers would be great, beck made an album with them, moved on, then came back to them with his latest album. the dust brothers don't just do sample style music, their fight club soundtrack is very different to their hip hop work and with that soundtrack in mind, especially considering that the beasties last two albums have been more 'electronic' orientated then their previous albums, making a non sample style album with the dust brothers could happen as both teams seem to be moving in that direction for their own work. if that makes sense.

however, what i would love to see is the beastie boys using as many samples as possible (like pauls boutique, but obivoulsy not that many) but also using their instuments, ill communication style, to make an album. becks latest album turned out nicely using this format, so im sure the beasties could figure something origional and unique for their 'final' album.

RIGHT ON!!! The blend of samples, electro, and instruments can't be beat. (y)

[cj hood]

i heard Herby Luvbug was available.........

[BeastieRunner]

I want the Beastie Boys. End of story.

[NathanWind]

i think they should make songs more than 2 and a half minutes long

[laurie_hammy]

Mario C Keep Runnin On Tracks ;)

[Kid Presentable]

If it's not Timbabland, then somebody from the boards will be on it....

[TheMightyAjax]

If we're all lucky, it just might be..........

Fritz McNicklehoffer & The Fondue Four

[SILVERBEASTIE]

I think most would like another type PB album, after all it seems to be the fans all time fav album. I highly doubt they'll ever go back to using a lot of samples on ans album again, I once heard that if BB had made PB now, it would have cost them a shit load of money to use all the samples they did. The great thing about BB for me is every album is different. I love TT5B, but having read posts on here, it's not welcomed as much past albums, maybe they take on board what fans think, maybe they don't, guess that's what will be great when they drop another album...who knows what we'll get!!

[Tempest]

i think the dust brothers is an appealing idea but i also dig the idea of Rubin doing something with them again as well. They could work with ANYBODY they've worked with in the past and i expect they would make something pretty nice.

a project involving multiple producers including the 3 main producers who've been involved on the previous projects (mario c and the others already mentioned) would be lovely but from their past albums it's obvious to see that they value 'cohesiveness' so that might break the flow of the album a bit.... it depends.

I've got the impression they're not especially fond of Rubin anymore or something but i admire his work and i simply listen to licensed to ill more than the other albums so if they were going to work with one of their old producers i'd pick him. People have said that TT5B has elements of LTI in it's sound anyway but i don't really think so so i think something dope could come out of it without sounding TOO similar to anything else they've done before.

[3stooges]

i think working with the dust brothers would be good. they are still very creative. and they don't need to use just samples any more. beasties can make music on their instruments and then sample it, chop it up and make tracks out of it. I think it would make for a really good album. tt5b sort of showed the boys creativity limits sonically. i think with the dust brothers they would all push eachother further and bounce ideas around more to construct some really interesting exciting music.

[TheMightyAjax]

AAAHHHH! TEMPEST, you read my mind!

Rick F***KIN" Rubin!!! (y)

[Kid Presentable]

The only reason I'd want the Beastie Boys to work with the Dust Brothers -- or any producer for that matter -- is so that they would be obligated to follow a work schedule. One cannot takes one's sweet time (say, six years) producing music when one is working with others.

Other than completing work in a timely fashion, I think the Beastie Boys do fine producing on their own.

I wouldn't mind hearing the results of them committing their personas musically to an outside influence. Like somebody who would say 'nah, you don't sound like that, try this...'. Because some part of me feels that they've forgotten how the fans hear them.

I like the possibility of them developing a writing process that leads them to think "Well this beat is fire, we've got to deliver" and being pushed lyrically. Not just writing words to fit a blank piece of music.
For some reason I can't get the idea of The B-Boys dropping verses over Timbaland beats for something new to try. And not touring for it.

I don't know what I mean. :(

[lazarus0202]

Why is there all this talk of "they should..." "they ought to..."??

The BBoys follow their insticts and just record what they're into at the time. I don't think they're necessarily trying for a specific sound when they begin; they just build it from the ground up. Check out the interview on the main page. They say it themselves.

A lot of people have forgotten that the BBoys are a group that does what they like, not what they think will be well-received. There are other legendary artists who had similar experiences, where at the height of their success the main fan base was disappointed with a certain release, but the artist just kept doing their thing, and the fans grew to get into it in years to follow:

Sonic Youth (Washing Machine)
Bob Dylan (Self-Portrait)
John Lennon (Rock n' Roll)
Bad Brains (I Against I)
Van Morrison (Veedon Fleece)
Miles Davis (many!!!)

The list goes on.

Many are disappointed with this last album and looking forward to the next for one reason and one reason only: they can't relate to the BBs as a staight-up hiphop group, which is essentially what they are. Everyone's missing that white b-boy bleach-blond skater image of Ill Communication, or more full-on rock or hardcore songs.

Come on, I mean half of the people on this website were still in diapers or unborn when the BBs main influences were kickin' it live (The Funky 4 + 1, Grandmaster Flash, the Furious Five, Busy B and the Treacherous Three, etc.)

They're all about 40 years old now, and like most 40 year olds they're staying close to their roots, and the product of that is TT5B.

So if you're aching fo them to kick it with an old producer like The Dust Bros or someone else, I wouldn't hold my breath. I think their heads are in a different realm entirely.

My guess: the next one will be a super-rootsy LP of a mixture of rock, funk, reggae, and soul, all played as a band, with very little sampling and lots of guest vocalists, released two or three years from now.

[Kid Presentable]

That's an intriguing statement. What do you mean by it?

It's a tricky one, and it's said purely from a fan perspective, much respect to the band and I love the albums blahblahblahhh...

They picked up the Beastie Boys persona too intermittently during the Hiatus, and perhaps they grew enough distance from the Group conscience to forget exactly what they were in the first place. Not that there's anything wrong with growth, but I sensed they were moving ever closer to being hip-hop fans strictly, not necessarily devoted artists. And that's cool. They have lives, wives and not enough time.

Each time they put down the mics though, I fear that they strip away a little more of the band. I like the idea that the Beastie Boys may become an Audio- visual sort of outfit down the line, but let's not forget the music. You can hear it now, a more lax delivery, somewhat formulaic beat design, the sort of self-emulation that must come from twenty years in the game. Love the new album, but it's there.

I like the idea of somebody saying: "Don't put that there, this is how you should rock it" or something. Somebody really lighting a fire, one you can hear in the delivery, on the beats, whatever. They don't have to bow down to said influence, even the tension borne of that environment would create something fresh. How would it feel walking into a record store, hearing a Beastie Boys song on the speakers that makes you go "FUCK! What is This? I gotta have it!!!" as opposed to "Wicked, they did it again.". Maybe an outsider can do that, maybe it's up to them.

I think a lot of crew from the '80s get on the PB tip because they stepped forward from LTI, in a way nobody saw coming. TT5B is superb, but loads of people saw it coming, even insofar as knowing they'd love it. Perhaps a bit of danger, fear of the unexpected, for the impending album would be a nice touch. Perhaps the Internet destroyed the mystique.

It's fair to say they're coming full circle, but they know there's more they can do with their sound. If it involved no instruments, or only instruments, they could push themselves. All hip-hop, some or none. Whatever. They'll do that however they want.

I just want to hear something that really surprises me, maybe I'm asking too much (it's not like we're starved of quality from them). There was this time when the band really pushed the boundaries, fucked people's heads up. Now, as fortunate as it is,what we have is a generation of artists who's sound has been influenced by the Beastie Boys, or namechecked.

I don't like the idea that people should feel they have to like the Beastie Boys because they're legends. I wish the teachers would take everybody back to school, one last time.

[laurie_hammy]

The only reason I'd want the Beastie Boys to work with the Dust Brothers -- or any producer for that matter -- is so that they would be obligated to follow a work schedule. One cannot takes one's sweet time (say, six years) producing music when one is working with others.

Other than completing work in a timely fashion, I think the Beastie Boys do fine producing on their own.

Agreed (y)

[dave790]

I wouldn't mind hearing the results of them committing their personas musically to an outside influence. Like somebody who would say 'nah, you don't sound like that, try this...'. Because some part of me feels that they've forgotten how the fans hear them.

I like the possibility of them developing a writing process that leads them to think "Well this beat is fire, we've got to deliver" and being pushed lyrically. Not just writing words to fit a blank piece of music.
For some reason I can't get the idea of The B-Boys dropping verses over Timbaland beats for something new to try. And not touring for it.

I don't know what I mean. :(

I know what you mean, but I'm 100% I'll be happy with whatever they decide to do next. You touched upon the lyrical side of things though...I'm not too bothered whether they feel they should do justice to a hot beat or whatever, but it'd be cool if they really pushed themselves as MC's here and there.

Not saying they haven't recently, I love all the rapping on TT5B and if you listen to the acapella of say Ch-Check It Out the rapping is tight. But I was listening to Beastie Groove the other day, and just the verse where Adrock spits like a million words and lines without pause for breath...something like that.

Still, as i said not really too bothered. I grew up between the ages of 9-12 continuously loving different aspects of the Beasties music....beginning to appreciate things I didn't so much before. And I feared TT5B would be disappointing, but it's up there with the rest of them and I don't think the Beasties can ever disappoint me.

dave

[cj hood]

It's a tricky one, and it's said purely from a fan perspective, much respect to the band and I love the albums blahblahblahhh...

They picked up the Beastie Boys persona too intermittently during the Hiatus, and perhaps they grew enough distance from the Group conscience to forget exactly what they were in the first place. Not that there's anything wrong with growth, but I sensed they were moving ever closer to being hip-hop fans strictly, not necessarily devoted artists. And that's cool. They have lives, wives and not enough time.

Each time they put down the mics though, I fear that they strip away a little more of the band. I like the idea that the Beastie Boys may become an Audio- visual sort of outfit down the line, but let's not forget the music. You can hear it now, a more lax delivery, somewhat formulaic beat design, the sort of self-emulation that must come from twenty years in the game. Love the new album, but it's there.

I like the idea of somebody saying: "Don't put that there, this is how you should rock it" or something. Somebody really lighting a fire, one you can hear in the delivery, on the beats, whatever. They don't have to bow down to said influence, even the tension borne of that environment would create something fresh. How would it feel walking into a record store, hearing a Beastie Boys song on the speakers that makes you go "FUCK! What is This? I gotta have it!!!" as opposed to "Wicked, they did it again.". Maybe an outsider can do that, maybe it's up to them.

I think a lot of crew from the '80s get on the PB tip because they stepped forward from LTI, in a way nobody saw coming. TT5B is superb, but loads of people saw it coming, even insofar as knowing they'd love it. Perhaps a bit of danger, fear of the unexpected, for the impending album would be a nice touch. Perhaps the Internet destroyed the mystique.

It's fair to say they're coming full circle, but they know there's more they can do with their sound. If it involved no instruments, or only instruments, they could push themselves. All hip-hop, some or none. Whatever. They'll do that however they want.

I just want to hear something that really surprises me, maybe I'm asking too much (it's not like we're starved of quality from them). There was this time when the band really pushed the boundaries, fucked people's heads up. Now, as fortunate as it is,what we have is a generation of artists who's sound has been influenced by the Beastie Boys, or namechecked.

I don't like the idea that people should feel they have to like the Beastie Boys because they're legends. I wish the teachers would take everybody back to school, one last time.

i agree....with the beasties you expect the unexpected......we knew what TT5B would be 5 years before it dropped!

[3pakbonanza]

i think they should make songs more than 2 and a half minutes long


You can say that again!! TTFB was way to short after waitng so long. They should also put out a double disc of B-sides from over all the years to hold us over till the next album.

[scotty_ticks]

they should just work with marico c, he has done some of there best songs, but they might suprise us by working with a bunch of different people

[stevenemm]

How about Dan the Automator?

of Gorillaz, HBMS, and Deltron 3030 fame?

[PaddyBoy]

I def felt with TT5B that the BBoys weren't pushing themselves lyrically on some songs. Others, like Ryhme the Rhyme Well were them at their best.

I do think that working with outside producers might work to advance them up to a point, but their always gonna be the Beastie Boys. I'd like if they stuck to themes more as opposed to random lyrics that they often do. I can't believe Kool Moe D gave them an 'A' for that.

[Kid Presentable]

Excellent points M.

I think we just need to wait and see. (y)

[lazarus0202]

I wish the teachers would take everybody back to school, one last time.

I hear that. It was great stuff.

But if I had a time machine I'd be playing the stock market and screw the Bush family out of millions, then buy Nelson Mandela's way out of jail.

[PaddyBoy]

I don't view Paul's Boutique as the great masterpiece a lot of people do because I have difficulty finding meaning in the songs. I've never been a young man trying to get into a girl's pants (the prevalent theme I find on the album), so the lyrics do not move me. I don't hate the album though. It just doesn't speak to me -- probably in the same way that Judy Blume novels don't speak to teenage boys.



I have to say that I don't think that is the prevalent theme on PB. To me the theme is the music, eclectic and "wide-eared" as RS once said. There are some silly sexist lyrics on it, but overall the lyrics are exuberant and fun. The music and lyrics match perfectly, its an album that gives a great vibe (the word vibe is crigeworthy, sorry), and in-your-face. In-your-face lyrics are why a lot of people love them.



I view Paul's Boutique as a gigantic jigsaw puzzle. I find the use of samples impressive and I appreciate how it was pieced together, but beyond that, it does little for me when compared to their other albums. I like the grooves of "Sounds of Science" and "Hey Ladies," but the lyrics spoil the songs. For me, the Beastie Boys shine on that album when they are boasting about their mc abilities ("Shake Your Rump"); all the boasting about sexual conquests and talk about getting it on don't do anything for me (it's not sexy enough). I appreciate the humor and rebellion voiced in songs like "Egg Man" and "High Plains Drifter" but, again, I don't relate to the songs on a personal level.



Thats fair. But none of the lyrics spoil the songs, for me anyway. They enhance them.



When I hear people say Paul's Boutique is their favorite Beastie Boys' album, I often wonder if it has more to do with the samples than what the Beastie Boys brought to it. I'd like to ask someone who says "Shadrach" is their favorite song if they're familar with Sly and the Family Stone. It's like, "What exactly are you grooving or responding to?" I've wondered if the Beastie Boys have questioned what people really like about that album too. If you study the Dust Brothers' other works, you have to acknowledge that a significant percent of the "genius" of Paul's Boutique belongs to them. I wonder if the Beastie Boys feel complete ownership of the songs because of that fact.



I agree. I've always felt that the Dust Bros work on PB was underappreciated. Yauch said on Beastiography, stuff like "they had already made the music to Car Thief and Shake Your Rump, we wanted to rap over it". Sometimes I think the album should have been co-credited as opposed to Beastie Boys, produced by The Dust Brothers. Am I wrong?



Funny about the Kool Moe D comment! :D I'm totally with you in wanting the themes instead of random lyrics.

(y)

[dave790]

I agree. I've always felt that the Dust Bros work on PB was underappreciated. Yauch said on Beastiography, stuff like "they had already made the music to Car Thief and Shake Your Rump, we wanted to rap over it". Sometimes I think the album should have been co-credited as opposed to Beastie Boys, produced by The Dust Brothers. Am I wrong?

(y)

Yeah it say's written by Beastie Boys, produced by Dust Brothers, then co-produced by the Beasties too.

I think most people, critics and fans alike, see it as more of a huge collaboration project than just the Beasties with a little help from the Dust Bros.

The results were real good though either way. I think M mentioned Shadrach, and what parts people respond to. For me, knowing the sample and so on kinda plays a role in thinking about the song, but it's not just one specific part at all. It's the fact there's all these things coming together, that make something like Shadrach sound whole and right.

I love the music in that song, the main bass parts, but then 'Well my noggin is hoggin all kinds of thoughts Adam Yoggin is Yauch and he's rockin of course...' pops right into my head! The Dust Brothers and Beasties worked together and complimented whatever each person brought to Paul's Boutique with whatever they had, which is part of the reason the record has that 'vibe' someone mentioned before.

dave

[3stooges]

paul's boutique is a brilliant record. if you don't like it cause it's degrading women, youre really missing out. its a masterpiece of modern music. one of the greatest ever. even miles davis would tell you that, and he was no soft critic.

[Kid Presentable]

I'm an ungrateful little shit. (n)