Am I allowed to listen to Nevermind?

[Mr_Complex]

It's been a few years, but I've put it on.

[DipDipDive]

So insanely overrated. But I'm in a good mood today, so I suppose I'll allow it.

[Mr_Complex]

I know. I don't know what came over me. It's not like I'm enjoying listening to it. My hand just jumped before my eyes and picked up this.

[Darko]

It is a really good album. The problem is, everyone's heard every song off of it over 8,000 times on the radio, and it's impossible to listen to it all the way through without getting sick of it.

But if for some reason you've never heard of Nirvana before and listened to it, you'd probably think it was a masterpiece. But there's probably about 8 people who haven't heard most of it already.

[DipDipDive]

It is a really good album. The problem is, everyone's heard every song off of it over 8,000 times on the radio, and it's impossible to listen to it all the way through without getting sick of it.

Even if it weren't played out, I wouldn't be able to listen to the whole album from start to finish considering all those fucking songs sound the same.

[Mr_Complex]

The only song that has really stood the test of time (in my opinion) is Drain You. I've always liked that one, for some reason.

[mickill]

Even if it weren't played out, I wouldn't be able to listen to the whole album from start to finish considering all those fucking songs sound the same.
Lara, it's like you've never heard the album before or something.

[nypb]

i would

[DroppinScience]

Naysay all you want, but you know it's one of the greatest albums ever. It just is. Deal with it. Ok? Good.

[yeahwho]

HEY! They were spose to be a local band. Then some Brit dude came by and blabbed all over the UK about it, it got back to NYNY and that fucking Rolling Stone had to rave all about it and now what was the local bar band is fooed, bald and dead!If you just would of left it alone......hahahahahaha.....Kurt left you all Courtney to look at and deal with.....hahahahahahaha.......the whole fricking world...........HAHAHAHAAHAHA!

[zippo]

So insanely overrated.

oh will all of you shut up already with the "overrated",come on now, soon youll be saying Jesus, Bach and the trip to the moon are overrated

[mickill]

Yeah, but Rolling Stone originally deemed it a 3 star album. I believe it wasn't until a little later that it received album of the year or decade honors in that same waste of trees magazine.

[zippo]

Yeah, but Rolling Stone originally deemed it a 3 star album. I believe it wasn't until a little later that it received album of the year or decade honors in that same waste of trees magazine.

i dont know about RS, i used to buy every edition when the price was suitable...im just saying theres too much use of the word "overrated" in this place sometimes

[wavin_goodbye]

overrated basically means crappy, the person is just being nice :) .

[mickill]

i dont know about RS, i used to buy every edition when the price was suitable...im just saying theres too much use of the word "overrated" in this place sometimes
I agree, people around here use that word way too often. Especially twats like DipDipDive.

[afronaut]

Idiots, overrated is the most apt description of this album. Most overrated album ever by the most overrated band ever. EVER.

[Documad]

HEY! They were spose to be a local band. Then some Brit dude came by and blabbed all over the UK about it, it got back to NYNY and that fucking Rolling Stone had to rave all about it and now what was the local bar band is fooed, bald and dead!If you just would of left it alone......hahahahahaha.....Kurt left you all Courtney to look at and deal with.....hahahahahahaha.......the whole fricking world...........HAHAHAHAAHAHA!
You sound just like the teenage blond girls with bobs standing outside the Cavern circa 1963 in that b/w news footage saying "we will share the Beatles with the world and love them forever, but please let them come home sometime, they belong to us."

Yeah, but Rolling Stone originally deemed it a 3 star album. I believe it wasn't until a little later that it received album of the year or decade honors in that same waste of trees magazine.
Rolling Stone does this every time. They are always the last to realize something's a classic.


I loved Nevermind when it was released (alone among my friends) and I couldn't listen to it for about 5 years after Kurt killed himself. I never really get tired of it, but I usually skip over the first song. Breed is on my playlist whenever I'm getting ready to kick some ass.

[yeahwho]

Going down to the Lake tomorrow in Seattle to watch the Blue Angels and Hydros.....just going to be about 1 block from Kurts suicide garage....

I have the feeling most of you did not see Nirvana Live.

Kurt knew Nirvana was over-rated and always felt inadequate, but in the end being honest was brutal, he should of just said, "Fuck You, I'm Brilliant."

Not many guys like him come along...so you all can relax now.

[Kid Presentable]

If more than three people had played those songs, they would be in trouble.

As it stands, quite overrated, compared to Bleach.

[Documad]

I'm seeing Elvis Costello tomorrow! :) He's playing a block from a convent.

Not as good a story as yours, yeahwho.

I never saw Nirvana live. I figured I would have a bunch of chances to do so. It was a good lesson for me.

I sure don't think it's overrated. Maybe it depends on your generation. Among my peers, it's underrated. I can still remember when it was released and what was on the radio and MTV before vs. after.

[yeahwho]

I'm seeing Elvis Costello tomorrow! :) He's playing a block from a convent.

WOW! I'm happy for you and for me, because I just read this (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2002419074_webcostello04.html). :D

Nirvana can kick some serious commercial rock ASS.

[Documad]

That seems like a good trade indeed! :)

I hope you get a good crowd there. I'm pretty much guaranteed one.

[DipDipDive]

oh will all of you shut up already with the "overrated",come on now, soon youll be saying Jesus, Bach and the trip to the moon are overrated

But Jesus is overrated. That's right. I said it. Up yours, Mike.

The problem I have with Nirvana isn't their commercial marketability and popularity so much as everyones praise of Kurt Cobain. He wasn't the brilliant songwriter or lyricist that everyone makes him out to be.

[mickill]

Idiots, overrated is the most apt description of this album. Most overrated album ever by the most overrated band ever. EVER.
Dude, you were like two when this album came out. Plus you're gay and listen to garbage like Antony and the Johnsons. How would you know what the most overrated group or album ever is?

Nirvana is over-publicized, not overrated. The same goes for Nevermind.

The same thing happened to Radiohead; the same thing happened to The White Stripes; the same thing almost happened to QOTSA. You can't fault the artists for what the media does.

[DipDipDive]

Dude, you were like two when this album came out.

What's your point?

I wasn't even alive when most of my favorite albums were released. That doesn't mean I'm not capable of appreciating them or the artists who created them, and it also doesn't mean I can't say an album sucks just because I'm younger than the majority of the people who love it.

[Documad]

I agree that the critical praise for Kurt's lyrics was way out of line.
I'm no musician, but I love the sound of their music.


Nirvana is over-publicized, not overrated.
An excellent point.

[mickill]

What's your point?

I wasn't even alive when most of my favorite albums were released. That doesn't mean I'm not capable of appreciating them or the artists who created them, and it also doesn't mean I can't say an album sucks just because I'm younger than the majority of the people who love it.

I was just talking trash. I get my game face on and just do my thing. No need to get all bent out of shape, homo.

[DroppinScience]

I have the feeling most of you did not see Nirvana Live.

I was 11 when Kurt shot himself. I only got into the band mere WEEKS before the suicide.

I also don't live in Seattle and they played Edmonton when I was maybe 8 or 9 and nobody knew who they were at that time and I wasn't exactly following music at that age. I was into Ninja Turtles.

So lay off. :mad:

[zorra_chiflada]

i think nevermind has some good songs to listen to. they're very popish as well. i heard someone say once that "kurt cobain wrote some excellent pop songs"

so yeah, it was a very listenable album. i don't know whether they were overrated or underrated.

[Kid Presentable]

It's good to have you here, Zorba.. :cool:

[zorra_chiflada]

It's good to have you here, Zorba.. :cool:
i love how you give me a different name everytime you post to me!

[Kid Presentable]

i love how you give me a different name everytime you post to me!

aww shit... :o

[afronaut]

Plus you're gay and listen to garbage like Antony and the Johnsons.
OVER THE LINE! TAKE IT BACK!

[cosmo105]

Idiots, overrated is the most apt description of this album. Most overrated album ever by the most overrated band ever. EVER.
<3

[The Notorious LOL]

it wasnt even a widely publicized album prior to release, nor was it expected to sell shit. Cobain, Novoselic, and Grohl got a collective $70,000 label advance to split three ways and were signed to DGC for I think around $300,000. When it initially came out they anticipated sales of a few hundred thousand, so for a few weeks after release it was actually fairly hard to find until more copies were pressed.

In hindsight, or if you were like 4 at the time it came out, then yeah they seem extremely overrated. Considering the majority of people my age were still big fans of New Kids On The Block (I was in 6th grade when Nevermind came out), having Nirvana be extremely popular was a step in the right direction.

So yeah, you can say they were overrated and I wont disagree but it wasnt like they were a record label product, not to mention if they never came out music now would be a lot different.

[DipDipDive]

So yeah, you can say they were overrated and I wont disagree but it wasnt like they were a record label product, not to mention if they never came out music now would be a lot different.

I don't think this is necessarily true. It's not like the whole grunge movement and its subsequent influence on the music industry wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for Nirvana. That's just an opinion, though.

[Freebasser]

Put some Pixies on instead.

[Waus]

Nevermind might be overrated, but only because people get into the Nirvana hype too soon. His talent as a singer/songwriter was odd, simply because all the songs he wrote were so involved in his life, not very universal (ironic that he became "the voice of generation X" with them). A real fan knows all about his life at the time and enjoys the songs in that context, but Joe Alternative just listens to the screaming and says "yeah, that's how I feel."

Nevermind is probably just the album where he keeps a fairly consistently personal theme without delving as much into his shock tactic lyrics - and since the album is before the heroin started getting out of control there's less talk of his media problems and no real mentions of Courtney Trash...I mean Love.

[dave790]

good album, i'd agree with what most people have said...but come on, if you were the only person out of all the people at your work or at school or out of your friends or whatever who had Nevermind, you'd enjoy it (y)

[The Notorious LOL]

I don't think this is necessarily true. It's not like the whole grunge movement and its subsequent influence on the music industry wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for Nirvana. That's just an opinion, though.


nooo but how many musicians emulated a style similar to that or list them as a huge influence? thered be no foo fighters thats for sure...not that thats a big loss but whatever, they iight.

[icy manipulator]

just listen to it Borat

[pshabi]

Yeah, well, that's what it means with Nirvana.

You can't fully appreciate or even understand Nirvana unless you were between the ages of 13-22 when it came out.

Sorry, but you can't.

Go play music critic some more.


What's your point?

I wasn't even alive when most of my favorite albums were released. That doesn't mean I'm not capable of appreciating them or the artists who created them, and it also doesn't mean I can't say an album sucks just because I'm younger than the majority of the people who love it.

[Kid Presentable]

You can't fully appreciate or even understand Nirvana unless you were between the ages of 13-22 when it came out.



And you watched MTV.

[DipDipDive]

Yeah, well, that's what it means with Nirvana.

You can't fully appreciate or even understand Nirvana unless you were between the ages of 13-22 when it came out.

Sorry, but you can't.

Go play music critic some more.

So does that make the people who appreciate Nirvana even if they were under 13 when Nevermind was released posers? Your point of view makes no sense. If Nevermind is such a "classic," then how come it only holds weight with a certain age group? I understand people of a certain age connecting with the whole angsty grunge thing, but I don't think that should be used as a form of defense when people criticize Nirvana.

[Documad]

If Nevermind is such a "classic," then how come it only holds weight with a certain age group?
I have loved music profoundly for all of my life. The late 80s were a cesspool of crap. Everywhere I went there was C&C Music Factory and similar music that was good to do aerobics to. Michael Jackson was still a somewhat credible pop star. Then suddenly there was this completely different sound getting airplay. It's one of the few things where I remember exactly how it felt when I heard it for the first time. My friends were too old and hated the fact that they couldn't understand the lyrics. I was always able to understand the lyrics even though they often didn't make sense and they weren't deep. But that sound was so different from what I had heard previously it blew me away, even though I had pretty much given up on popular music at that point. I didn't worship them as people or anything. But I listened to the albums a whole lot.

It still sounds good to me today. I wouldn't put it in my top 25 or probably even my top 50. But it was a good album that had a big impact. It's an album for the rock history books because of the impact even if you think it sounds like shit today.

I HATE Sgt. Pepper's. But to a lot of people of baby boomers that album is the second coming. I think it has two good songs and a lot of embarrassing, dated crapola. It might just be the Beatles' worst album. But it's the #1 classic album on most lists. Why? I guess because they did innovative stuff on it. Or its impact was big.

Some people's lives were changed by the Sex Pistols or the MC5. I don't get that either. I've always figured that you had to be there. Whereas the Clash is almost as fresh today as it was when I discovered them in junior high school.

I've said this before, but that book Kill Your Idols, has essays on all these classic albums that writers who came later can't get the appeal of. I know that Sgt. Pepper is in there, as well as many sacred cows. I'm pretty sure someone cut up Nevermind too. Someday a young critic will tear apart a CD that changed your life and you'll be trying to explain its appeal.

[DroppinScience]

Well said Documad,

However I'll have to disagree with your remarks over MC5 and Sex Pistols. Obviously I wasn't even born when either of those albums came out, but my God, they blew me away.

They're not Clash levels of awesome, but damn, they are awesome.

P.S. - I forgive you for the anti-Sgt. Pepper sentiment though. Sure, I thought it was brilliant, but I actually find it refreshing to say that you hate it because I find it SO yawn-inducing to see it top the "Best Of" lists.

"Oh look, Sgt. Pepper was #1... again." :rolleyes:

[Documad]

DS, get that Kill Your Idols book at the library because it's entertaining even when you like the album they're ripping apart. I haven't read the whole thing yet. The one on Sgt Pepper was a delight because the guy agreed with me on everything, but I also liked the one on Exile on Main Street even though I love that album. The one on the Doors was hilarious too.

I refuse to believe that anyone actually loves the MC5. The were a silly "band" backed by a sillier political movement.

[DroppinScience]

DS, get that Kill Your Idols book at the library because it's entertaining even when you like the album they're ripping apart.

I've heard good things. I'm definitely interested. :)

[Documad]

Jim DeRogatis. I'm totally writing him a fan letter.

He also did a book on psychedelic music, and since you're a fan of Nuggets, if you can get that at the library . . . . He has a wide definition of psychedelic so he brings in modern stuff too.

[pshabi]

So does that make the people who appreciate Nirvana even if they were under 13 when Nevermind was released posers? Your point of view makes no sense. If Nevermind is such a "classic," then how come it only holds weight with a certain age group? I understand people of a certain age connecting with the whole angsty grunge thing, but I don't think that should be used as a form of defense when people criticize Nirvana.
No, not necessarily posers, but they can't FULLY appreciate it. I didn't say they can't appreciate it at all.

I've got this Woodstock video. I think it's fucking awesome. I love Woodstock. But, my boss tells me that I can't appreciate Woodstock fully because I wasn't there (alive) at the time. I don't argue with her.

What data or research do you have to back up the statement that Nevermind only "holds weight" with a certain age group?

It wasn't the "angsty-grunge thing," at least not for all of us. It was the radical change in the music we were used to having crammed down our throats. Like the poster after me so eloquently put it.

[zippo]

No, not necessarily posers, but they can't FULLY appreciate it. I didn't say they can't appreciate it at all.

I've got this Woodstock video. I think it's fucking awesome. I love Woodstock. But, my boss tells me that I can't appreciate Woodstock fully because I wasn't there (alive) at the time. I don't argue with her.
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you know, in a way, im gonna have to partly agree with this idea. but only for musicians that are also attached to a greater context and generate other things that derive from their music like for example a clothing or hair style and/or an ideology (among other things)...like Nirvana, Woodstock era musicians, the Beatles for example.

i think the appreciation of the music per se is ageless, but what maybe isnt totally understood by people living during other times, is whats attached to the music, the things i described before. that is, if you agree that the music plus the things i described before give you a richer understanding of the "movement" as a whole...meaning you agree that you shouldnt necessarily detach the music from its greater context for it to be fully appreciated

personally though, i think it is ok to do this

[Sandinista!]

FUCK YOUR NEW MUSIC!

Honestly, people like you should be shot for even considering listening to such garbage. You should grab that compact disc and incinerate it, then spit upon the charred remains of that distasteful smut.

Then, listen to some Slayer or ABBA.

[zippo]

*gives the poor kid a Xanax*

[DroppinScience]

Ya gotta admit, he's very entertaining. ;)

[Mr_Complex]

FUCK YOUR NEW MUSIC!

Honestly, people like you should be shot for even considering listening to such garbage. You should grab that compact disc and incinerate it, then spit upon the charred remains of that distasteful smut.

Then, listen to some Slayer or ABBA.

I was actually listening to it on a copied cassette. Is that rock n roll enough for you?

[Sandinista!]

I was actually listening to it on a copied cassette. Is that rock n roll enough for you?

Tape over those new arse-clowns. Eliminate their crass dissonance by overwhelming it with the sweet sounds of Soft Cell or Cheap Trick.