Build a computer?

[Nuzzolese]

Have any of you ever built a computer? Is it easy or what? Is it worth it? I can go to a place where they will build it for me, or I can buy the parts individually and put it together myself which would be cheaper. I intend to use the computer for internet use, writing, saving lots of files like music and video files, and photos and word documents, very simple photo editing, playing music and playing DVDs and burning music and DVDs.

The store can give me what they call a pro media center system which includes AMD Athlon64 3000A with 1 gig (it says 1024MB DDR PC3200 RAM), 250 GB (wd 8m 7200 HDD), nVidia GeForce 6200 128MB for watching video files, and the OS is Windows Media Center, it has a DVD burner and a TV tuner plus wireless keyboard and mouse and a remote and that's all $1099 and they'll build it for me.

I have to admit I don't even really know what a lot of that stuff is, but I know 1 gig is pretty good for what I plan on storing on there. Then I can add on Windows XP Home for $109, the monitor is 17 inches and it's $259 and then I was going to also get some $30 - $50 speakers and possibly a larger screen TV to hook up to watch DVDs on. It's a basic system.

Anyway what do you think? Suggestions? Experienced comments? Buy like this and have them build it? DIY? Building it myself could be really rewarding and I'd learn a lot in the process because now I know nothing at all.

Is it a simple matter of buying compatible parts and clicking them together according to the instructions? Or is it pretty complicated?

One thing I don't know about though; if I build it myself buying their parts, I don't know if they'll help me at all or provide any assistance in the event of problems.

[TurdBerglar]

i built my last computer


you don't need to spend that much for what you're using it for

[Dr Deaf]

Have any of you ever built a computer? Is it easy or what? Is it worth it? I can go to a place where they will build it for me, or I can buy the parts individually and put it together myself which would be cheaper. I intend to use the computer for internet use, writing, saving lots of files like music and video files, and photos and word documents, very simple photo editing, playing music and playing DVDs and burning music and DVDs.

The store can give me what they call a pro media center system which includes AMD Athlon64 3000A with 1 gig (it says 1024MB DDR PC3200 RAM), 250 GB (wd 8m 7200 HDD), nVidia GeForce 6200 128MB for watching video files, and the OS is Windows Media Center, it has a DVD burner and a TV tuner plus wireless keyboard and mouse and a remote and that's all $1099 and they'll build it for me.

I have to admit I don't even really know what a lot of that stuff is, but I know 1 gig is pretty good for what I plan on storing on there. Then I can add on Windows XP Home for $109, the monitor is 17 inches and it's $259 and then I was going to also get some $30 - $50 speakers and possibly a larger screen TV to hook up to watch DVDs on. It's a basic system.

Anyway what do you think? Suggestions? Experienced comments? Buy like this and have them build it? DIY? Building it myself could be really rewarding and I'd learn a lot in the process because now I know nothing at all.

Is it a simple matter of buying compatible parts and clicking them together according to the instructions? Or is it pretty complicated?

One thing I don't know about though; if I build it myself buying their parts, I don't know if they'll help me at all or provide any assistance in the event of problems.

i find it odd that this has no replies. so nuzz what will you do with the other 249 gigs of storage space on that western digital HD? :p </snicker>

at the price i'd think it'd be best to have the shop assemble it for you. surely that price includes a warranty that might not be available if you assembled it yourself. i'm not too computer savvy, but i think it might be best to spend the extra $80 on XP pro. i heard home is really shitty. upgrade to the 19" flat LCD. i've never heard of people running computer dvd players to play on a seperate screen. are the sound and video cards integrated into the motherboard, or are they independent components?

i'm not saying it can't be done, but why would you, when a stand-alone dvd player can be had for $69? if you have a decent stereo or mini system you can easily run your computer beats thru it with a headphone jack to RCA set up. the cable might cost you $12-18 at radio shack. otherwise if watching DVD in the proper 5.1 / 6.1 ratio is important to you: spend another $29 and get this (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Logitech-X530-5-1-70W-Speaker-System-970114-0403-/sem/rpsm/oid/98329/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do).

good luck with it. (y)

[TurdBerglar]

you don't want a lcd to run movies or games. the ordinary monitors yet bulky have the best picture quality. and you don't need pro. home is just fine

[TurdBerglar]

Is it a simple matter of buying compatible parts and clicking them together according to the instructions? Or is it pretty complicated?


there's certain vital steps that if you do wrong you can completey ruin the pc. like not aplying thermal paste to the heatsink when installing the heatsink to the processor. this will make the heatsink basically worthless and it will cuase your processor to overheat and fry. another thing you could do wrong is intall the ram backwords or not using the #1 ram slot. but if you can follow instuctions closely in broken english you should have no problem.

from what i've seen windows never comes with instuctions. when installing widows for the fisrt time you need to go into the motherboard bios and set it up so the pc will boot up from the cd drive and not the hard drive. there's other things too. once if you have never done any of these things before you should read up on it or have someone help you in building it.


i would advise you to by a prebuilt one

[wavin_goodbye]

if you have the $$ get a mac. 10000X better than any PC

[tracky]

What's your current system? You might not even really need an full upgrade, maybe just a bigger hard drive & DVD burner are all you really need, which you could easily do yourself. Building a complete system is fairly easy, but like turd says, it's also easy to stuff it up. I just get the guys at the shop to do it for me, cause if they ruin a bit of hardware during installation, they have to wear the cost, not me. Plus I'm slack and don't do all the little neatening up they do, like cable tie stuff out the way, etc..

[beastie fresh]

Answering your question, if Ive built a computer, the answer is yes. 3 of the 5 we have are

[TurdBerglar]

you can get a whole system that can do all that you want for like $500.


my old computer did all that stuff without a problem and it's like 5 years old. if eveything on that system was brand new today it would only cost like 200-300 dollars. the only thing that really warrants a fantastic computer for most people is gameing. and since you didn't mention gameing you don't need to spend 1000 dallors. a 500 dallor system should be fine. the most demanding thing that you said you wanted to do with this pc was watching dvd's. that's not very demanding for a computer.

[The Notorious LOL]

depends on what you use it for. If its gonna be mostly just internetting and music maybe or whatever you dont need much. Ive bought a few bare bones systems off pricewatch.com in the past and just added what was needed. The computer previous to the one I use now cost me $500 total excluding monitor and at the time was a really nice machine. I used it for 4 years with little to no problems.

[The Notorious LOL]

turdburglar basically posted the same thing I just did. lol omg


also, dont pay for windows. That shit grows on trees for free on internet ;)

[paul jones]

I built a Police Station with Lego when I wa a kid and the Empire guy with the black round hat thing was the cheif and Han,Lando and some other Empire blokes were cops and people like the bounty hunters and chewbacca were banged up in the cell

[TurdBerglar]

oh yeah, don't even look at dells. way too expensive.

[wavin_goodbye]

just make sure you have good customer support (something dell has)

[TurdBerglar]

just don't fuck the pc up and you won't need customer support

[sheesh]

It's always cheaper to buy the prebuilt systems. However there is a great amount of personal satisfaction to build your own and watch it work.

[GetYourWarOn]

turd burglar is 1337. :cool:

[wavin_goodbye]

just don't fuck the pc up and you won't need customer support

you've obviously never used windows/IE before :p

[TurdBerglar]

It's always cheaper to buy the prebuilt systems. However there is a great amount of personal satisfaction to build your own and watch it work.


you save a hell of a lot with ordering it piece by piece online

[zorra_chiflada]

i remember when i did info tech in grade 10 we kinda built a computer from scratch. i couldn't do it now.

[TurdBerglar]

i built this one online (http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/WishShareShow.asp?ID=1626080&WishListTitle=Nuzzo%27z)


i could of gone less expensive for what you want to do with it. but i kept with newer technology so it would be upgradeable down the road. and the mouse is wireless and can be use as a romote for watching movies and the system can be easily hooked up to a tv.

[zorra_chiflada]

turd, do you do any casual paid work as IT support or anything, or have you?

[TurdBerglar]

nope never

[Kid Presentable]

nope never

They'd treat you like a rock-star in Oz computer circles.

[TurdBerglar]

i don't really know all that much


there's people out there that know a whole lot more than me

[tracky]

i don't think so :rolleyes: best you make our country sound like a bunch of morons who would look up to someone just because they know how to plug a bit of ram into a ram slot.

[TurdBerglar]

australians can't be that stupid

[buddylee]

when you buy a pre-made system you mite get 1 great thing in it like graphic card, the rest will kinda crapy or of fair. Having it build you can make sure you get a what you want.
what every you do don't get a Fry's Great Buy computer.

Look for a small time guy to bulid you one. The him you want a work horse.
also you can get Microst Office / student and teacher Edition for less than $200
better than paying $400 +
Yes you do want to pay for XP if not you dont get updates and it leaves you open for woorms.
Look in you Local http://www.craigslist.org/ you should be able to find anything on thier.

[TurdBerglar]

oh yeah i forgot windows. i think you can get OEM versions for like $60.

and you can easily get office 2003, Norton Internet Security 2005, DVD software and burner software for free.

[tracky]

australians can't be that stupid

yeah that was my point, i didn't realise you'd snuck a post between mine and kid's

[TurdBerglar]

oh

[TurdBerglar]

hey! when the hell did DDR2 system memory come out? i just noticed this shit!

[HEIRESS]

even in canada paying over 1000 bones for that kinda system is ALOTTA LOT

and yet again, thats in canada

where shit is retardedly expensive

[HEIRESS]

I wore two stickers like THIS (http://naming.com/assets/clientimages/athlon.gif) over my tshirted nippled friday night to the club

[buddylee]

I wore two stickers like THIS (http://naming.com/assets/clientimages/athlon.gif) over my tshirted nippled friday night to the club

now that the way to sell computers

[HEIRESS]

my buddy owns a computer shop so that was his plan

I had two other larger ones somewhere on my back too

w00t!

[The Notorious LOL]

oh yeah i forgot windows. i think you can get OEM versions for like $60.

and you can easily get office 2003, Norton Internet Security 2005, DVD software and burner software for free.


in all honesty Ive never paid for a single peice of software like ever. Windows is easily accessable online, you just have to opt for Windows XP Professional rather than Home, which isnt a bad thing anyway. That and if you get a version with SP1, you gotta stick with SP1. Theres versions floating around with SP2 online, but I havent bothered checking since the version I have now is fine. Server 2003 is iight...I might upgrade to that in a bit if I play around with it some more.

When I worked in IT I would actually read the PC magazines our department got in the mail, look at decent software, come home and download it.

I dont trust anyone in IT that has paid for any microsoft product or recommends them highly for personal use.

[zippo]

this whole thread is like, i wanna get it drunk

[The Notorious LOL]

im drinking a beer right now nigga

[zippo]

yeh nigga you knowz it, computers nigga

[tracky]

w3rd

[zippo]

what did you cancel the tour, Westlife?

[tracky]

considering you were the only person who actually bought a ticket, we decided it wasn't worth it anymore

[The Notorious LOL]

yeh nigga you knowz it, computers nigga


arent you on one right now, sarcastically replying to a post on a message board on the internet?

[Loppfessor]

I didn't feel like reading this whole thread, but my advice is to find a friend who is into computers and ask them to build you one. I've built about 5 or 6 for myself and friends but it's a lot easier if you pull resources especially when it comes to sofware and such.

[zippo]

arent you on one right now, sarcastically replying to a post on a message board on the internet?

your striking intelligence is making me shiver. but no, really,and your point is? i never said i didnt like computers, the tech talk just confuses/bores the fuck out of me

[Nuzzolese]

I've tried to ask some guys at work for advice, they've built theirs and one also did part time tech support so he knows a lot about how they work - but we kept getting ineterrupted and having to go work. Anyway, the reason the guy at the computer store said it was so expensive was because of the extra memory for storing thousands of songs and videos and movies and such, and becuase it would be more easily upgradeable in the future. I bet I'd only need 160 GB.

Turd, what exactly is all of this? (http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/WishShareShow.asp?ID=1626080&WishListTitle=Nuzzo%27z) Is that everything one would need? You called it Nuzzo'z! That's awesome.

This thread is really helpful, I'm taking notes. I'm going to go back to the store and see what the deal is, like if they can build something just to my specifications or if I have to choose a combo type deal off their menu.

[Nuzzolese]

i find it odd that this has no replies. so nuzz what will you do with the other 249 gigs of storage space on that western digital HD? :p </snicker>

do huh?


i've never heard of people running computer dvd players to play on a seperate screen. are the sound and video cards integrated into the motherboard, or are they independent components?

I have heard of people doing that because the monitor is so small. I don't know about the sound and video cards. I will have to ask that.


i'm not saying it can't be done, but why would you, when a stand-alone dvd player can be had for $69? if you have a decent stereo or mini system you can easily run your computer beats thru it with a headphone jack to RCA set up. the cable might cost you $12-18 at radio shack. otherwise if watching DVD in the proper 5.1 / 6.1 ratio is important to you: spend another $29 and get this (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Logitech-X530-5-1-70W-Speaker-System-970114-0403-/sem/rpsm/oid/98329/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do).

Cheap DVD players always break, and I want to be able to get online and also store music on there. I thought it better to have an all-in-one computer/entertainment system because right now all I've got is a little sony cd player and no tv no computer.

[Nuzzolese]

in all honesty Ive never paid for a single peice of software like ever. Windows is easily accessable online, you just have to opt for Windows XP Professional rather than Home, which isnt a bad thing anyway. That and if you get a version with SP1, you gotta stick with SP1. Theres versions floating around with SP2 online, but I havent bothered checking since the version I have now is fine. Server 2003 is iight...I might upgrade to that in a bit if I play around with it some more.

When I worked in IT I would actually read the PC magazines our department got in the mail, look at decent software, come home and download it.

I dont trust anyone in IT that has paid for any microsoft product or recommends them highly for personal use.

What do they recommend for personal use?

[Nuzzolese]

you can get a whole system that can do all that you want for like $500.


I really have no idea why the price they're asking is so expensive then.

[synch]

It's always cheaper to buy the prebuilt systems. However there is a great amount of personal satisfaction to build your own and watch it work.
When you buy a prebuilt system you pay for the fact that they build it, for warranty and for service even if you don't use it. It's not always cheaper to get pre-built and if it is then you aren't getting quality hardware.

if you have the $$ get a mac. 10000X better than any PCIt's not better, it's different. It has pro's and con's.

in all honesty Ive never paid for a single peice of software like ever. Windows is easily accessable online, you just have to opt for Windows XP Professional rather than Home, which isnt a bad thing anyway. That and if you get a version with SP1, you gotta stick with SP1. Theres versions floating around with SP2 online, but I havent bothered checking since the version I have now is fine. Server 2003 is iight...I might upgrade to that in a bit if I play around with it some more.

When I worked in IT I would actually read the PC magazines our department got in the mail, look at decent software, come home and download it.

I dont trust anyone in IT that has paid for any microsoft product or recommends them highly for personal use.
That's a load of bull. Since XP the copy protection has become tedious. If you do run an illegal version of xp you risk not being able to update and are exposed to all sorts of crap from the net. If you want to use an illegal version use 2000 because that isn't as protected as XP.

I bought a student copy of xp pro through my university for about 20$. More than worth it to avoid the hassle.

About xp media center: Seeing as you effectively want to use your pc to watch movies and listen to music xp media center is a good choice. I wouldn't pay extra for it but I definetly wouldn't spend extra to get xp home. XP media center edition is an xp professional with the added media center functionality. XP Home is a stripped down XP Pro.

As far as office, anti virus and firewalls are concerned, there are free alternatives to the commercial solutions. If you don't have to work with ms office but just want a good word processor/office suite then openoffice works perfectly and you can download it for free, legally.

[Rancid_Beasties]

For me, building a computer was far cheaper than buying a prebuilt one. Because I bought from a computer shop that imports directly from china in quite a shifty way so that their hardware prices can be rediculously cheap (sometimes 1/4 of retail).

For that computer you listed, it would cost approximately $1100 AUD in parts including monitor and windows xp. It would take most competent computer geeks about an hour to put it together max, and half an hour or whatever it takes to install xp.

So by conversion rates, thats $850 US for parts, when you would be paying about $1450 US. So in other words, you are getting ripped off $600 by my calculation. And the parts I'm using are proper parts, including the exact same processor, same video card except made by asus under license, kingston memory, the same WD hard drive, and an asus motherboard). If it wasnt quality stuff I wouldnt be on this computer now (which is about a year old), running about as many programs as would kill my friend's comparable IBM.

[synch]

I really have no idea why the price they're asking is so expensive then.
Because of the 250 gig hard drive, the Athlon 64 3000+, the 1gb ram, the geforce 6200, the tv tuner and windows media center edition.

In a 500 dollar machine you'll get an 80/120 gb hard drive, a celeron or sempron processor, 256/512mb ram, an on board video card instead of the geforce, no tv tuner and windows xp home edition.

(rough estimate)

[Nuzzolese]

When you buy a prebuilt system you pay for the fact that they build it, for warranty and for service even if you don't use it. It's not always cheaper to get pre-built and if it is then you aren't getting quality hardware.

It's not better, it's different. It has pro's and con's.


That's a load of bull. Since XP the copy protection has become tedious. If you do run an illegal version of xp you risk not being able to update and are exposed to all sorts of crap from the net. If you want to use an illegal version use 2000 because that isn't as protected as XP.

I bought a student copy of xp pro through my university for about 20$. More than worth it to avoid the hassle.

About xp media center: Seeing as you effectively want to use your pc to watch movies and listen to music xp media center is a good choice. I wouldn't pay extra for it but I definetly wouldn't spend extra to get xp home. XP media center edition is an xp professional with the added media center functionalities.

As far as office, anti virus and firewalls are concerned, there are free alternatives to the commercial solutions. If you don't have to work with ms office but just want a good word processor/office suite then openoffice works perfectly and you can download it for free, legally.

so then xp media center doesn't have a desktop or office functions.

[Nuzzolese]

I don't know about this media center thing, it's supposed to let you do all kinds of home video storage and video editing which I know I sure as hell am not going to be using.

[Rancid_Beasties]

so then xp media center doesn't have a desktop or office functions.
Yes it has a desktop...as for office functions, I'm not entirely sure xp home even comes with office, but I'm 99% sure xp media centre doesn't, seeing as I had to install office from a separate disk after installing windows.

So basically, ask if it comes with office beforehand if thats important.

[Rancid_Beasties]

I don't know about this media center thing, it's supposed to let you do all kinds of home video storage and video editing which I know I sure as hell am not going to be using.
Its just windows xp professional with a media focus. Not a professional media editing focus, but like its better for watching movies and listening to music and shit. Other than that its the same.

I hate windows home anyway, its stupid and babyish, XP professional is where its at (y)

[synch]

so then xp media center doesn't have a desktop or office functions.
XP media center is exactly the same as windows xp professional but with specific hardware requirements. If you start it up it's just like a normal windows professional but when you start the media center software you get a menu that's designed to be navigated with your remote control on your tv.

It's meant to give you easy access to your video's, your music and you can watch and record tv with it. I wouldn't get a smaller hard drive if you intend to do that with it by the way.

You can have your pc hooked up to you monitor and to your tv at the same time. Not sure if that part was clear.

The office functions aren't standard on any windows installation. You sometimes get a version of word with a pre-built pc but usually you have to buy it separately... unless you use openoffice in which case you can download it for free.

If you really want to build it yourself I'd make sure you have someone in your vicinity that can help you out if you get stuck. Even some friends of mine that are in IT need my help sometimes because they are brilliant with system administration and (web) design but not very good with hardware.

[Nuzzolese]

Yes it has a desktop...as for office functions, I'm not entirely sure xp home even comes with office, but I'm 99% sure xp media centre doesn't, seeing as I had to install office from a separate disk after installing windows.

So basically, ask if it comes with office beforehand if thats important.

But most don't come with office, anyway, I can get that for free at the university.

[synch]

Windows XP Media Center Edition is a version of Windows XP based on Windows XP Professional and designed around being a Home Entertainment System. It includes specialist optimizations for TV recording and playback, DVD playing, video playback, recording and editing, picture view, music listening, and other functions related to the main features. The latest edition, MCE 2005, was released on October 12th, 2004.

Due to strict hardware requirements, including a TV tuner capture card with built-in, hardware based MPEG-2 video encoding and decoding and a high-end graphics card, Microsoft has opted not to sell it as an independant retail version. Microsoft only distributes it as OEM versions to System Builders. To purchase MCE, consumers generally must get it pre-loaded on a new PC or find a store that resells the OEM version.

From wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_Media_Center_Edition)

[Nuzzolese]

You guys are a lot more helpful and informative than the guy at the computer store. This is why I was afraid to go in there alone, felt like I did when I was buying a car for the first time and the people there just sum it up all quicklike "here's what you need...."

[synch]

But most don't come with office, anyway, I can get that for free at the university.
Check if you can get windows xp pro cheap there as well. Microsoft usually gives students prices that are a fraction of the retail price. I think xp pro costs around 200$ and I paid 20$ for it through my university.

[Nuzzolese]

Check if you can get windows xp pro cheap there as well. Microsoft usually gives students prices that are a fraction of the retail price. I think xp pro costs around 200$ and I paid 20$ for it through my university.

because it's better than home?

[synch]

I used xp home for a little while as I was installing my cousins computer.

I felt like I was being treated like a four year old :(

It's all coloury and patronising. I haven't worked with it long enough to realise what the exact difference is but I'm sure there are tons of pages on it on the net.

One sec :)

Edit: From microsoft (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.mspx)

[synch]

I had a look here (http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp) as well and I must say that the things that were stripped aren't that interesting for a "normal" user (read: non IT geek). I don't think I actually use most of the features in XP pro but XP home still feels like an inferior program, don't know, it's probably because of how patronising it is. On the other hand, non-experienced users might appreciate a certain level of being held by the hand while the operating system walks you through certain configurations.

If you can get it cheap, get pro, if you have to buy it and pay more for it get home instead.

If you want to download it get windows 2000 ;)

All in my humble opinion of course.

[TurdBerglar]

Turd, what exactly is all of this? (http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/WishShareShow.asp?ID=1626080&WishListTitle=Nuzzo%27z) Is that everything one would need? You called it Nuzzo'z! That's awesome.

yeah it's everything that you would need minus windows. but like it's been said you can find very inexpensive versions. all you need is window xp home. and minus a pc tv tuner. those things are shit. and since you're planning on getting a tv as well just watch tv programs on the tv

[TurdBerglar]

I really have no idea why the price they're asking is so expensive then.


becuase they're trying to milk you.

[The Notorious LOL]

That's a load of bull. Since XP the copy protection has become tedious. If you do run an illegal version of xp you risk not being able to update and are exposed to all sorts of crap from the net. If you want to use an illegal version use 2000 because that isn't as protected as XP.




not really. With home, sure. With pro, not so much. I havent run into any problems whatsoever, nor has anyone else I know who runs a pirated copy.

[Nuzzolese]

those fat sweaty bastids

[TurdBerglar]

not really. With home, sure. With pro, not so much. I havent run into any problems whatsoever, nor has anyone else I know who runs a pirated copy.


if you can find pro corperate edition you're golden. that version was meant to be installed on multiple computers

[The Notorious LOL]

yeah. I had a version I took from my old job that was great because it could be upgraded whenever without problems. To me, the issue of finding a serial or a cracked version that works without any issue and costs me nothing is worth whatever minimal searching is involved.


if I was less lazy Id use/learn Gentoo.

[TurdBerglar]

i have this .doc file with like thousands of cd xp keys on it

[Nuzzolese]

For your personal private use, why would you want a system that was meant to be installed on multiple computers?

[TurdBerglar]

it's not meant for private use. it's meant for companies that have thousands of computers that their employess use.

and why i would like it is becuase it can be easily pirated

[Nuzzolese]

This is what my friend emailed me when I asked him about it. If you're interested in what a total stranger had to say about it, read it. If not then just skip this post it's just what he had to say.


As for the processor, the speeds at which newer processors run make them virtually indistinguishable during common use. Its really just a question of brand recognition unless you plan to be engaged in really hardcore gaming. That Athlon processor will do you just fine, however a Pentium 4 over 2.6 GHz is a very solid chip.

Definitely go with a gig of RAM, the speed and performance of that much memory will carry your system for quite a while. 250 gigs is waaaaaaaaay too big unless you are editing large amounts of video. Hard drive capacity has become outrageously cheap in the last few years and as such has become a hot button selling point for computer vendors and builders, but its really just unneccesary. Anything 60 gigs and over will be more space than you will ever need, use, or even want. In fact, the actual speed at which the drive accesses data is far more important, though still rather superfluous.

As for the operating system, if you buy a system with XP media center edition, installing XP home would actually be a step backwards. Since you are planning on using the TV out on your video card to play movies and such I would stay with the media center flavor of XP. Though XP professional would be a valid choice also. Everything else sounds pretty much ok, though there is one thing I would suggest, take the 250 dollars for the 17" monitor, add to it the cost you were considering for XP home, and get yourself a 19" or 20" instead. The extra couple diagonal inches really make a difference in comfort and enjoyability in your setup. Oh, and make sure that whatever speakers you decide to buy are independently powered, meaning have their own adapter and power source rather than running on the computers dime alone. Preferably with a subwoofer also.

Now onto the rest of your question. Personally, I absolutely love building systems, I think its a blast and one of the most enjoyable things on earth. There are many drawbacks though. Electronic components, circuit boards and the like are very susceptible to static discharge. Now thats pretty easy to get around, a little caution goes a long way, but take into account the fact that it takes 12 volts of electrical discharge for a human to notice, kind of like shocking yourself on a doorknob. Conversely, an electronic component can be ruined by a discharge of 2 volts, so until you actually tried to use the computer you would never know that you had fried something while building it. A lot of technicians ignore this in favor of looking cool while building a PC (pretty sure that is physically impossible, but still) and dont wear ESD bracelets, (a little elastic band attached to a fuse, a wire, and an alligator clip that in turn attaches to the case of the computer to drain static from the tech) resulting in damage to components.

Theres a whole other realm of headaches inherent in building your own pc, from procurring the right drivers and software for the hardware you install, to being able to troubleshoot issues up to the point of knowing whether it was manufacturer or user error that created a problem in the first place.

All that aside, it is fairly easy with a bit of research and preparation to build your own PC, but for the casual user having someone to go to with problems that arise and someone to blame should something fuck up makes a big difference in peace of mind.

In the end, my advice to you would be to buy a pc from a vendor or a builder, and make sure that you get some kind of agreement or package including at least two years of technical support. You can easily buy virtually the exact same system as the one both you and I have described from any computer maker for about the same price.

[TurdBerglar]

everything he said i agreed with except buying it from a vendor is the same price as buying it piece by piece online

[Nuzzolese]

It does seem to be cheaper to buy it piece by piece but I don't think I'm going to build it myself.

Thank you, Turd. You're incredibly helpful.

[TurdBerglar]

maybe your friend can build it unless he like lives thousands of miles away

[Nuzzolese]

maybe your friend can build it unless he like lives thousands of miles away

It takes about 8 hours to get to his house. He said "And hell, Ill build you that system for $1099 if you want. I also happen to run a small business doing free telephone and email tech support, though a on site or pickup and deliver repair would be a tad difficult."

But I am going to go home and visit him this weekend. There's a beer festival and we're all wearing hawaiian shirts (I don't know why, I don't make the rules)

[Nuzzolese]

I wonder if the stuff on the wishlist Turd created would be comparable to having Windows Media Center as the OS. You can't buy Windows Media Center retail, only as part of a PC, it has the tv tuner capture card with built-in hardware based MPEG-2 video encoding and decoding, nice graphics card, blah blah blah it's specially designed for watching DVDs and playing music.

Hey Turd, why 256 MB on the video card? Wouldn't 128MB be fine?

I'm sorry I keep asking about this.

[synch]

not really. With home, sure. With pro, not so much. I havent run into any problems whatsoever, nor has anyone else I know who runs a pirated copy.
Could be but I don't even trust up to date versions of xp, let alone outdated ones. New exploits and viruses that target windows come out every day. I know it can be run without problems but I wouldn't reccomend it to anyone. Like I said, if you want to run something illegal run 2k instead. It uses less memory and apart from some user interface things is exactly the same. Don't forget 2000 is NT 5.0 and XP is NT 5.1.

Nuzz, unless you intend to play the newest games at very high resolutions 128 will do fine.

[TurdBerglar]

I wonder if the stuff on the wishlist Turd created would be comparable to having Windows Media Center as the OS. You can't buy Windows Media Center retail, only as part of a PC, it has the tv tuner capture card with built-in hardware based MPEG-2 video encoding and decoding, nice graphics card, blah blah blah it's specially designed for watching DVDs and playing music.

Hey Turd, why 256 MB on the video card? Wouldn't 128MB be fine?

I'm sorry I keep asking about this.


well the way this peticular video card works is that it uses the ram from the main system memory and this card just allows you to choose up to 256 mb to be shared from the system. while the other one would only allow up to 128 to be shared. and since the 256 version was only like 15 dollars more i thought it was a much better deal. more bang for the buck, you know?

and the wishlist i created didn't include a tv tuner card. you said you were planning on hooking the pc up to a tv. tv tuner cards aren't really all that great. you're better off just watching tv programs straight through the tv. the only reason i would suggest a tv tuner card is if you don't get a tv and you would still like to enjoy watching some tv programs on your pc.

and im pretty sure you can by windows media center as long as you buy it with some hardware. i could be wrong though

[CrankItUp!]

I've got an e machine computer myself - is that decent for the money ?

[TurdBerglar]

e machines are great for surfing the web and burning cds and listening to music, simple things like that.

[CrankItUp!]

Simple things are cool enough for me - pinkworld.com included. :cool:

[synch]

well the way this peticular video card works is that it uses the ram from the main system memory and this card just allows you to choose up to 256 mb to be shared from the system. while the other one would only allow up to 128 to be shared. and since the 256 version was only like 15 dollars more i thought it was a much better deal. more bang for the buck, you know?Oh it's a shared memory thing? In that case I doubt the extra 128mb would do you any good. The 128meg will be more than enough.

and the wishlist i created didn't include a tv tuner card. you said you were planning on hooking the pc up to a tv. tv tuner cards aren't really all that great. you're better off just watching tv programs straight through the tv. the only reason i would suggest a tv tuner card is if you don't get a tv and you would still like to enjoy watching some tv programs on your pc.

and im pretty sure you can by windows media center as long as you buy it with some hardware. i could be wrong though
You might but you'd spend a bundle. You can only get it in combination with specific tv cards and to be honest I'm not sure they even do that anymore. I've messed around with media center edition for a bit because I wanted to build a media center with hardware that I had but it was an absolute pain. You have to get specific drivers and specific hardware. Some videocards weren't even supported and even the one that was even gave me problems with the specific media center drivers. I used a windows 2000 installation + media portal, an open source (read: free) media center software thing.

Took tons of configuring though...

That's my/the bottom line though, you can do everything by yourself but you could end up fidgeting with your setup for days, weeks or sometimes even months if you accidently pick two pieces of hardware that don't go well together.

A friend of mine that works in IT has had a pc hardware nightmare like that, he's been trying to get his system to work properly for over a year now. He's gone through three different motherboards and it's still not a stable system. He's even considering a Dell now :eek:

A simple thing like putting the cooler on your cpu is a nasty task and you can mess up your board and/or your cpu if you don't do it properly. It still scares the shit out of me when I have to do that...

I'd really advise against building it yourself unless you have someone close to you that can physically help you. Physically as in not on the phone but in person.

[The Notorious LOL]

what you are trying to accomplish I did with a modded xbox for about $250. Its all offline now since Im moving but it kicked ass for watching AVI and MPG files in the living room and shit and controlling my mp3s on my pc thru the living room speakers. Windows Media Center is probably the best choice if you want to set it up the way you're planning to.

[synch]

If she's not bothered about watching and recording tv that's the best option, yes :)

[Nuzzolese]

I found some things.

1. APEX SQ-328 Black/Silver Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ATX12V 350W Intel-listed PSU w/20&24 pin power connectors Power Supply - Retail
$45.00

2. ASUS P4S800-MX Socket 478 SIS 661FX Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
$57.00

3. intel Pentium 4 3.0E Prescott 800MHz FSB 1MB L2 Cache Socket 478 Processor – Retail
$181.99

4. CORSAIR XMS 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail
$123.00

5. Maxtor DiamondMax 10 6L080P0 80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache IDE Ultra ATA133 Hard Drive - OEM
$58.00

6. Logitech Cordless Internet Pro Desktop 967461-0403 Black 104 Normal Keys 8 Function Keys USB RF Wireless Slim Keyboard Mouse Included - OEM
$29.00

7. NEC Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner - OEM
$43.99

8. Microsoft Windows XP Media Center 2005 - OEM
$129.95

9. ATI ALL-IN-WONDER 9800 PRO ALL-IN-WONDER Radeon 9800Pro 128MB 256-bit DDR VIVO AGP 4X/8X Video Card TV TUNER/TV OUT- Retail
$179.00

10. Fuji Plus FP-988D Silver-Black 19" 12ms LCD Monitor - Retail
$299.99

11. CREATIVE Inspire P7800 90 Watts 7.1 Speaker - Retail
$85.00

it totals $1,231.92

That's a lot! What do you think?

[TurdBerglar]

my wish list was a whole lot better and was much less money.

[cubsfirstplace]

i got an hp like 2 weeks ago. the total came to $950

pentium 4 2.80Ghz
1GB of memory
200GB hardrive
17" flat scren monitor
wireless keyboard and wireless mouse
windows xp home edition

now i dont know much about computers so does anybody know if that was a good price for all that?

[TurdBerglar]

you could of gotten something better for 950

[cubsfirstplace]

you could of gotten something better for 950

really, but id rather have a brand name computer

[TurdBerglar]

brand name computers usaully have shit components

[cubsfirstplace]

i dont know what conmponets are

[TurdBerglar]

components are parts

[jabumbo]

its dissapointing that turd got to have all the fun on this one...


i built my computer over christmas break for about $500, with some used parts from my old computer. well, i didn;t exactlyu build it myself, but my friend showed me how to do everything. the only downside to it is that its a little louder than most computers since the case is really cheap and doesnt let all the air out very well

[Nuzzolese]

my wish list was a whole lot better and was much less money.

I've been hearing negative things about Rosewill as a brand, that it's shit quality. I really don't know. Thanks for your list, though. I've got it printed out, I'm taking it places.

[synch]

Don't you have stores in your area that let you pick the parts and build it for you? You'd get the advantages of picking your own parts but none (or less) of the hassle.

[Nuzzolese]

Don't you have stores in your area that let you pick the parts and build it for you? You'd get the advantages of picking your own parts but none (or less) of the hassle.

There is one at least. I went there first, and he automatically started telling me about an expensive package deal with a bunch of stuff I didn't need. That was what I listed in the first post. He didn't even give me the option of picking stuff out and he didn't explain things very well, he was just trying to sell.

[synch]

Bleh. I hate those people.

No proper stores around then? :(

[Nuzzolese]

Bleh. I hate those people.

No proper stores around then? :(

I think that one would be proper if I came in with more knowledge and more specific questions, and maybe if I spoke to someone else there. When I walked in the first time I was just like "whadda ya got"

Besides that there are a couple of people I know who offered to build it for me and help me find components. I like that idea better than the store idea, it seems more old fashioned or something, real community-building and friendship-making and stuff, back to the system or local business through bartering and trading.

In exchange for a computer I could give him two of my best oxen, for example, or my prettiest daughter.

[synch]

Aren't these people your friend already? ;)


edit: haha I wanted to ask what the barter would be and give examples but even if they weren't sex related they were sexist nonetheless.

I mean, you don't knit, right? :o

[Nuzzolese]

[jabumbo]

newegg.com is the best place to go online for components


ps: i got a video card for about $30 less than what you have listed, and its 256mb instead of 128. and pentium 4 processors with hyperthreading is where its at

[TurdBerglar]

I've been hearing negative things about Rosewill as a brand, that it's shit quality. I really don't know. Thanks for your list, though. I've got it printed out, I'm taking it places.


well they're kinda cheap(i did that to keep the price down) but still better than something you'd get from dell or hp. there's definitely better brands out there but i don't thing you should have any problems.

[TurdBerglar]

newegg.com is the best place to go online for components


ps: i got a video card for about $30 less than what you have listed, and its 256mb instead of 128. and pentium 4 processors with hyperthreading is where its at


nah. stick with amd. much better for multimedia applications. better performance overall and less money.

[Nuzzolese]

I probably wouldn't even notice a difference between a pentium and an athlon. Athlon sounds sleeker in my imagination. I once bought a sofa, the one time I ever bought a sofa, because it had glitter spilled on it and the sparkling itched my happy gland. I make decisions based on ridiculous inspirations. The building of computers is no territory for the ridiculous to roam.

[TurdBerglar]

athlons are less money. i think i'd notice that

[jabumbo]

i do like the athlon's myself. i got the p4 because that was their dael of the week or whatnot. if you go to newegg and pull out their deals, you could probably save a couple hundred dollars by buying some of the parts in chunks (even if shipping would be al ittle more overall)

[synch]

Athlons used to have heat problems and would require more intensive (thus louder) cooling. I'm fairly sure they have solved those issues by now though and I reckon the Athlon 64 is the best price/performance ehm, performer.

[TurdBerglar]

so did you fuckn' buy one yet?

[Nuzzolese]

No, I've bought nothing.

[TurdBerglar]

well get to it! shit!

[Nuzzolese]

I'm feeling conflicted over whether to buy anything or not. I don't want to feel addicted to technological escape from myself, or sucked into the time-wasting sedative of electronic entertainment.

[TurdBerglar]

huh?


just talking about a fuckn' computer here. what are you gonna do instead. fuckn' read?

[Nuzzolese]

huh?


just talking about a fuckn' computer here. what are you gonna do instead. fuckn' read?

yes

[TurdBerglar]

weirdo

[Nuzzolese]

Didn't recognize De Niro from a picture from TAXI fucking DRIVER. I think you're the weirdo.

[TurdBerglar]

im not very interested by movies


i can't sit still long enough

[adam_f]

I'd call you all nerds but I've been known to play D&D with Screech and Horseshack.

[Nuzzolese]

im not very interested by movies


i can't sit still long enough

Oh

[TurdBerglar]

you're such a cunty bitch

[Nuzzolese]

What? I couldn't think of anything else to say but I felt like I ought to respond with something so you knew I wasn't ignoring you.

[TurdBerglar]

oh

[Nuzzolese]

If I want to play DVDs on my computer but watch them on an ordinary TV instead of my computer's monitor, do I need a TV Tuner on my computer?

[TAL]

No, you need video output on your graphics card.

[Nuzzolese]

I think I do. Thanks!

[TAL]

So you're closing in on a buy?

[synch]

I think I do. Thanks!
I can't remember the last card I've seen that doesn't have a tv-out Nuzz. It almost surely has one.

[Nuzzolese]

So you're closing in on a buy?

I am. But my father keeps interjecting ibook! mac!

[Nuzzolese]

Have to remember to get a SATA not an IDE hardrive, and 512 MB should be enough memory, and I'm still concerned about the power supply that comes with the case which is around 60 bucks. I did find a nice all-in-one dual layer DVD/CD player - burner thing.

Now the issue is small LCD monitor and large TV - or some other setup of some kind.

[TurdBerglar]

is it absoutely necesary to get an lcd screen? they cost more and have poorer picture quality than a normal monitor. the only benifits they really have is their small size. and when you get a tv make sure you get one with s-video. im pretty sure almost all tv's come with that now

[synch]

The quality isn't nescessarily poorer, it's just different. If you are a graphic designer the colours on a tft screen might not be adequate but other than that they are fine. The cost isn't a deterrent anymore either as they are very affordable now.

You do have to shop around a bit because the quality does vary, as with any type of product.

[TurdBerglar]

well they have that blurry effect with motion and that really pisses me off and you're locked at 1280/1024 resolution.

[synch]

The new ones don't have that anymore, or at least not as much. How old was the monitor that bugged you? They have gone from a response time of 25ms to 8ms in the past few years.

edit: about the resolution, I wouldn't want to work with less but it can be annoying if you aren't used to it. My laptop screen is 15" and runs on 1400 1050 :)

[TurdBerglar]

every single one i checked out at bestbuy or any other store/computer shop in the last 12 months


nothing compares to a crt in quality. much finer detail seems to be possible with a crt. but lcds are slowly getting there. just not up to where i would like them yet i guess.

[synch]

I'm at a point where I'm fed up with crt's, mainly because of how big they are. I've got a shitty 17" now because my 20" screen died. It weighed a ton :(

The new TFT's are very very nice in my opinion... but it helps that I haven't been playing many games so I don't worry about the gaming aspect as much as I would have a couple of years ago.

[TurdBerglar]

my crt is starting to die too. it has these very fine horizontal lines and it's getting just a bit blurry.

[synch]

You are going to replace it with a crt then?

[TurdBerglar]

of course. i want a real fuckn' big one. but the one i have now barely fits on my desk. i think it's only like a 17"/15" viewable

[synch]

Which is my point exactly ;)

Do realise that if you want a decent quality 19-21" monitor you might spend loads more than for a decent 17-19" TFT. (which has a bigger viewable area)

Plus you'll have to type with your keyboard on your lap :)

[TurdBerglar]

i can get a samsung syncmaster for just under $200

[synch]

How big and with what specs?

[TurdBerglar]

the price has gone up just a bit it seems (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824001178)

[synch]

Figures that low end CRT's are getting more expensive. I think people without professional needs get low end TFT's instead of CRT's.

Did you see the user reviews? They don't sound too convinced.

[TurdBerglar]

looked great to me when i saw it at the store. a hell of a lot better that an lcd or tft

[synch]

Heh.

My tv looked decent in the store too, the tube turns out to be freakishly round and you can count the pixels :(

Check it out properly in the store man, monitors/tv's often looks better at glance in the store than they do at home.

[TurdBerglar]

i know how to shop, dude

[Abe Froman]

Rent to Own

[TAL]

I have a 19" LG F900B Flatron CRT. It works.

[synch]

i know how to shop, dude
No offence meant, it's an easy mistake to make.

[Nuzzolese]

screw it I'm just buying a Mac

[TAL]

:D

Although you shouldn't let your dad control your life like that.

[Nuzzolese]

Last night I had another nightmare-like dream about going into things unprepared, being impulsive, and ultimately ruining my parents' enjoyment of life and taking their generosity for granted.

[Nuzzolese]

Buying an iMac would put me several hundred dollars in the hole but earn my father's awe and companionship almost as much as it would if I'd earned a fine arts degree or taken any of his lectures seriously. What more could a parent want than for his daughter to have what he wishes he could have, what he would choose to have, if he were me? Parents always want you to do what they wish they could still do if they were younger and had less obligations, right? Basically, do what they could be doing now if it hadn't been for me.

[TAL]

So you're saying your dad can't buy an iMac?

And I think parents ultimately want what's best for their children and not live through them.

[Nuzzolese]

I suppose he could buy one but it would be excessive and indulgent of him. It would be the same for me but I don't support a family. I don't know, maybe he'd think it was irresponsible. He just has these quality standards, thinks Macs are better for your money even though they cost more. The divide between quality and cost is smaller when buying an iMac - is his opinion.

[Nuzzolese]

I just bought an iMac G5!

Well that was simple.

[synch]

Hahaha six pages of specs and discussions and you get a mac :D

[TAL]

Enjoy it's stylish looks.

[TurdBerglar]

jesus christ

[Tzar]

jesus christ
next week it'll be: Build a bike?


something you'd REALLY love...

[TurdBerglar]

yeah then they go and buy a huffy at kmart :mad:

[Nuzzolese]

I think this went well.

[jabumbo]

enjoy your one button mouse

[Nuzzolese]

Don't give me that elitist garbage! For what I'm going to use it for, what else do I need?

How funny would it be if I came back complaining about it!? We'll see.

[jabumbo]

i dont care what you're using it for, i just hate that one button mouse shit

if you can't right click, whats the point of living?

[Bob]

god didnt give us two fingers for nothing!

[Nuzzolese]

Right clicking is an outdated concept when you have shiny smooth white plastic edges.

[TurdBerglar]

how much did you pay for it?

[Nuzzolese]

Listen, it's a really nice computer and it has all I need and it's all in one thing and really small and stuff with dual layer and lots of memory and I didn't know that to burn a DVD you need a lot of temporary space on your hard drive. It was 2000 dollars.

[TAL]

I hope you have a lot of fun with it. And add me to some IM program.

[TurdBerglar]

Listen, it's a really nice computer and it has all I need and it's all in one thing and really small and stuff with dual layer and lots of memory and I didn't know that to burn a DVD you need a lot of temporary space on your hard drive. It was 2000 dollars.


my computer can kill that fuckn' thing and it's half that price if not less

[Nuzzolese]

It's not like I jumped into it. I shopped around and asked a lot of people about it. I decided this is best for me. I can easily move it around too, and it will basically be my TV for watching DVDs. Nobody I talked to had anything good to say about rosewill as a brand, or any of the other cheaper brands of hard drives, power sources, etc. When I went to the local computer deli and saw what their prices were, it was about 300 dollars less, once I added a monitor and wireless keyboard and all of that, than the iMac but it probably wouldn't work as smoothly, and the screen would be smaller, it would be bulkier, and it would get viruses. Even though I looked into it and gave it a lot of thought, I still feel all shakey. I hate buying things. I like having things that work and that I like, but the actual buying sucks. This felt more dependable than a pieced together thing.

[TurdBerglar]

you still spent way too much money

[Nuzzolese]

I really do appreciate this thread, it got me started, I used all the advice when I was shopping and talking to other people.

[Nuzzolese]

you still spent way too much money

It's quality.

[TurdBerglar]

no it's a mac

[Nuzzolese]

that's what I'm saying

[TurdBerglar]

macs arent expensive becuase of quality

[Hiebz]

a mac G5 is a solid computer, so maybe she paid a bit for it, but I think she'll get good use of it and get her money worth; great so Turd can build one powerful and for less, that takes a little more time and inconveniance too - nonetheless computers and what you get from them are still cost less than even a couple years ago, I wouldn't feel bad about putting down 2,000 for a mac G5

Sure, I could build a helluva better desktop for that money, but probably wouldn't really push it for that money spent on it and besides that's me and not Nuzz. Plus the bonding factor for the father, that's pretty good too.

Anyway, congrats on the purchase and hope you got a good warranty on it!

[TurdBerglar]

macs are nothing but gimmicks

[Nuzzolese]

I'm telling you, for the size of the hard drive and memory I wanted, and the size of the monitor, it isn't that much more than it would have been if I had the local guys build it. I didn't want anyone else to build it, you know, someone who wasn't licensed, someone who doesn't do it for a living. So I paid a few hundred more for it which I think makes it worth it considering how compact the whole setup is, and that it can be configured to a wireless network so I can take it places easily.

[Nuzzolese]

I don't think it's a gimmick. I've used them before. I like them. They work well for media.

[synch]

Right clicking is an outdated concept when you have shiny smooth white plastic edges.
I'm pretty sure apple has more-than-one-mousebutton mice now ;)

[Echewta]

Its like open heart surgery in here. I'm out with my box of Junior Mints.

[Qdrop]

BUY THE MAC!

[synch]

She already did. Pay attention dude.

She might return it now though ;)

[Qdrop]

She already did. Pay attention dude.

She might return it now though ;)

yeah... i just couldn't read the thread....i saw 7 pages about building a computer and i said "fuck that shit"...

[Qdrop]

okay...i just skimmed this thread.


a geek factor of 10.


i'm thinking some of you were probably masturbating with silicon spray when you were typing out those specs...



the Mac won't steer you wrong.
i just bought an Emac for jenny (and me).....works fantanstic.
cost $800.

fuck a PC in the ass.....

[synch]

i'm thinking some of you were probably masturbating with silicon spray when you were typing out those specs...
Oh how witty.

I'm pretty sure I speak for everyone in this thread when I say that we don't get aroused by inanimate objects. Ok maybe I don't speak for turd.

Either way, go hump your mixing board.

[Nuzzolese]

I'm pretty sure I speak for everyone in this thread when I say that we don't get aroused by inanimate objects.

That's not true, you said things in the bedroom with Avignon were going well.

Ooohhhhh!!!!

[Qdrop]

Either way, go hump your mixing board.

you heard about that, huh?

yeah, college was crazy.


it was a lonely night. i was high as fuck.
i looked at the mixing board.
it looked at me.

i smiled.

i leaned in....

stuff happened.

it never called me after that.

what an asshole.

[Nuzzolese]

Some of those neoclassial statues are extremely handsome and detailed. It's pretty impressive. There was even a myth about it. Pygmalion and Galatea.

And then there's this (http://www.turdtwister.com/index.php)

[synch]

That's not true, you said things in the bedroom with Avignon were going well.

Ooohhhhh!!!!
I cured her. You sucked.

Or didn't suck properly.

[avignon]

I have no idea what any of this is about. But I'm pretty sure that I did nothing to deserve it.
*flips you all off*