Make fun of men but not of women.

[Nuzzolese]

Why is it funny/charming for a man to be fat and bumbling and to have possibly taken a woman who is too good for him, and possibly have ruined her chances for a more glamorous life? There are several TV shows and movies and such where a man doesn't seem to deserve his wife, and we get the idea that she could have done better by social standards, but her love for him surpassed her shallow selfish ambitions, if she had any, to live a more exciting life? On The Simpsons and Family Guy we get that impression, and on Everybody Loves Raymond and The King of Queens...there has to be more.

I know I've seen countless commercials that have a man with a wife who appears much more beautiful and composed than him, and it's okay to joke about him being useless and bumbling while she rolls her eyes and smiles with the weary adoration of which you might look at a muddy puppy.

I think it was made very popular by Woody Allen, the whole nervous insecure guy whose idiosyncracies are heightened to comedy by his being placed with a beautiful woman who only makes him more insecure because he doesn't feel like he deserves her. Curb Your Enthusiasm has a similar idea.

Do most men feel like this and relate to this? Or is it just PC to make fun of men and not women because men can take the joke and women can't - since for so many years the belittled woman was not a joke?

I hope this post makes sense, I typed it really fast and was kind of distracted.

[beastieangel01]

I'm not sure why this situation is ok, but I know what you mean. I think that (without applying this to EVERY woman, there are always exceptions) women wouldn't be able to handle the joke as well as men. That, or the men are just hiding any hurt and slapping a smile on regardless when someone tells them their wife is too good for them and whatnot.

I'm not a man so I can't really comment on that part, but I know men that say their girlfriends or wives are too good for them. The three relationships I've been in ever, the guy has said that I was too good for them (even when I would disagree).

It's strange. But common.


Damn it. I am almost 100% certain that I didn't answer your questions nor give any further information than what you already said. Oh well.

[Echewta]

Why on earth would cortney thorne smith chick be all up in jim belushi?

[Nuzzolese]

I've made jokes to mickill before that his wife was too good for him, and now I realize that was pretty insensitive. Not that mickill has feelings worth caring about, but on principle it wasn't very nice.

It's become a common universal joke, that the woman is supposed to be cooler and smarter and better looking. Or maybe just in comedy. Except in I Love Lucy. In that one she was the clown and Desi was cool and smart and traditionally handsome.

[synch]

Men can relate to having a woman that's prettier than they are and woman can relate to having a man that's uglier than they are.

[franscar]

Men can relate to having a woman that's prettier than they are and woman can relate to having a man that's uglier than they are.

:(

[synch]

Ah man, it's not your fault... April was just that pretty, but it was close!

[Nuzzolese]

What if women are just more vain than men and in order to laugh, have to be reassured that they look good?

[franscar]

What if women are just more vain than men and in order to laugh, have to be reassured that they look good?

That may have something to do with it yeah, over here it's a fairly common occurence for a not-so-great looking guy with a nice looking girl to be the target of abuse from groups of "lads" asking her what she's doing with a muppet like him etc etc.

Maybe ugly guys are just better at the important stuff though, I dunno.

[CrankItUp!]

A man spends a lifetime of trying to change himself to something he's not to satisfy and try to please a woman. And what does she do in return for him ? She grabs ahold of his heart and snatches it straight out of his ass - that's what ! And all the malt liquor in the world cannot ease his pain and mental anguish for the will to live on and love again ! That shit hurts like a motherfucker and a woman can be a cold heartless fucking bitch that has left a stain on the fucking brain. So yeah , make fun of men but not of women - as in wtf ever ! :(

[ms.peachy]

I think it was made very popular by Woody Allen, the whole nervous insecure guy whose idiosyncracies are heightened to comedy by his being placed with a beautiful woman who only makes him more insecure because he doesn't feel like he deserves her.
Oh it's as old as TV itself (and really, older, right back to radio days), don't give Woody that kind of credit. I mean, have you never seen The Honeymooners?

[synch]

And the Flintstones.

Although Barney is a handsome devil, Betty was way out of his league.

[CrankItUp!]

If I had gotten married as I thought was to be for me this year - I wouldn't be wasting most of my goddamn time here and would be busy having a fucking life instead. :(

[wanton wench]

That shit hurts like a motherfucker and a man can be a cold heartless fucking ass that has left a stain on the fucking brain. So yeah , wtf ever ! :(

i agree completely!

[guerillaGardner]

I think it's hard to visualise the situation the other way round as the expectation is that the man, more than the woman, is supposed to be the breadwinner, provider and the one who is supposed to create a good life for both partners. I think there are still women who expect a man to create a good life for them rather than to create it for themselves.

I'd expect that it's only a minority of men who go into relationships with hopes of the woman making them financially secure and providing the good things in life. Perhaps if this was the situation we'd see more representations in the media of 'useless wives'. With less of this expectation there is less judgement placed on women.

I also think that women do actually go beyond the stereotypical attributes that we are supposed to expect in partners. Guys are more likely to get away with more because women perhaps look deeper than men and can appreciate a person's more subtle qualities, whereas there are just too many guys out there who can't see beyond blonde hair and a pair of breasts so there is more likely to be a disparity.

Also males aren't brought up to be useful. They are encouraged into fantasy play - trucks, toy guns, all that crap. Girls are already rehearsing for real adult life from an early age - dolls, playing 'houses', getting into clothes and self care.

[ToucanSpam]

Who are we to judge if someone is or isn't 'good' enough for their spouses?

Perhaps I don't fully understand what this thread is about...

[synch]

Perhaps.

Quite likely actually...

;)

[CrankItUp!]

i agree completely!
DON'T be fucking with my my words like that - wench bench. :mad:

[paul jones]

let's remember poor Al Bundy and how stressed he got when Peg wanted him to rub her tushy

[cj hood]

Why is it funny/charming for a man to be fat and bumbling and to have possibly taken a woman who is too good for him, and possibly have ruined her chances for a more glamorous life? There are several TV shows and movies and such where a man doesn't seem to deserve his wife, and we get the idea that she could have done better by social standards, but her love for him surpassed her shallow selfish ambitions, if she had any, to live a more exciting life? On The Simpsons and Family Guy we get that impression, and on Everybody Loves Raymond and The King of Queens...there has to be more.

I know I've seen countless commercials that have a man with a wife who appears much more beautiful and composed than him, and it's okay to joke about him being useless and bumbling while she rolls her eyes and smiles with the weary adoration of which you might look at a muddy puppy.

I think it was made very popular by Woody Allen, the whole nervous insecure guy whose idiosyncracies are heightened to comedy by his being placed with a beautiful woman who only makes him more insecure because he doesn't feel like he deserves her. Curb Your Enthusiasm has a similar idea.

Do most men feel like this and relate to this? Or is it just PC to make fun of men and not women because men can take the joke and women can't - since for so many years the belittled woman was not a joke?

I hope this post makes sense, I typed it really fast and was kind of distracted.


you should see Kevin James' real wife.......she's a super model........i think it shows the true mentality of women.....

[miss soul fire]

I'm glad you brought that up.

Women want men to adore them 24/7! They want to be complimented on the way they dress themselves, on the way they smell, on how great their hair look and all that kind of girly crap and men were born to be complete fools and, in order to have sex (which is about 90% of what they think about the whole day), they have to do that even if they don't feel like it.

Who cares if people are going to poke fun at you if you have guaranteed sex with a hot lady at the end of the day?

Women are so vain and everything on them has to be perfect. They are constantly worrying about that because the rule was and still is "Get a man before you get old!" And the easiest way to get a man is to turn yourself into a hot goddess, so that you way you can pick the best one. Why are you going to pick the most handsome? You don't want competition anymore. Plus, a good looking male attract many girls, girls that are prettier and more, younger. And you'll get old. Do you know what are the chances of an old lady get a man? Even if you are in the knock-out female elderly category.

Most of us are a bunch of shallow assholes. I blame aliens and our strong subconscious.

AAAAAHHHH! I don't know. All I know is that most men want a woman who look good because, as Nuzzolese said, of their lack of confidence. They want to do parades and show all their little penis friends they have a beeeeeeeautiful woman by his side and because of that, he is a sex king, especially because they are ugly. :p

[Kid Presentable]

My girl's too good for me, from an external vantage point. I'm quite scrawny, and plainly un-fashionable, she turns more heads than I do.

I often think she should just marry a Greek shipping heir, although I've got potential written all over me. Maybe she sees me as an ugly, boring investment. (y)

[mickill]

I've made jokes to mickill before that his wife was too good for him, and now I realize that was pretty insensitive. Not that mickill has feelings worth caring about, but on principle it wasn't very nice.


Just leave me alone! What did I ever do to you, you f-ing a-hole?!!!

[mickill]

Yeah, I thought of King Of Queens and According To Jim as soon as I read the first post. I actually enjoy both of those sitcoms from time to time, but can't stand the characters played by Jim Belushi and Kevin James in their respective shows, for the most part.

[Documad]

Okay, I posted in that other thread about American sitcoms all having fat men married to hot women before I saw this thread.

Honestly.

Did it start with Honeymooners?

[mickill]

No, Nuzzer thinks it was made popular by Woody Allen.

What about Will & Grace? That show kind of adds different dynamics to the whole idea of having codependent male and female leads, but Grace is definitely the bumbling troublemaker in this instance. Although, this example would probably be a bit more apt if she were a little more on the chubby side.

[Documad]

Well, the early sitcom dads weren't fat, but they were bumbling and not too attractive whereas all the moms were hot in their repressed 50s and 60s way. Father Knows Best, Leave It To Beaver, whatever.

I think that Will and Grace started with Grace being a new Lucy, with Will as the new Ethel, but then all the leads started competing for whose character is the stupidest and then it became completely unwatchable.

[Loppfessor]

and on Everybody Loves Raymond



Hey now that Debra is a total bitch and is damn lucky Ray puts up with her contstant bitching and emotional abuse!!! I can't even watch that show anymore cus she makes me so angry.


Anyway to answer your question Nuzz if men weren't fat, bumbling, fools then we wouldn't have any reason to get married in the first place. We need you ladies to take care of us.....duh (PS I may become a bumbling fool but I'll never get fat)

[mickill]

I think that Will and Grace started with Grace being a new Lucy, with Will as the new Ethel, but then all the leads started competing for whose character is the stupidest and then it became completely unwatchable.

I agree with that. All of it.

[Sarky Devotchka]

I think they have these shows set up to hook in the everyday average man. They can look at that guy and think, "wow, that idiot is just like me! except with a hot wife!"

it's like a fantasy world where they can identify with the bumbling chubby husband, but also stare at a hot mom.

I think King of Queens is pretty funny though. and as for Will and Grace, I think it's way better now. we just tried to watch an older episode today and it was unbearable. I dunno, I always hated Will, I still do sort of. I like the storylines with Karen and Jack better because they're always yelling. yelling is funny.

[mickill]

Maybe it's because I used to have some kind of weird thing for Leah Remini and figured there was no way in Hell she'd be married to a jackass like Kevin James. We watch the back to back episodes of King Of Queens during dinner just about everyday, though.

Overall, I think Will & Grace is a better show. Jack and Karen are a bit over the top, though. I think I liked the show best about 2 or 3 seasons ago. My favorites are when they have guests, like that episode with Michael Douglas or the one with Kevin Bacon. Those rule.

[tracky]

I think they have these shows set up to hook in the everyday average man. They can look at that guy and think, "wow, that idiot is just like me! except with a hot wife!"

it's like a fantasy world where they can identify with the bumbling chubby husband, but also stare at a hot mom.


yeah this is more what i was thinking. it's to appeal to the average male, give them hope that maybe someday they too can end up with a hot wife who cooks awesome dinners and blows like a pro. Personally, I'll just take the awesome dinners and pro-blow, and as long as she's not an elephant or a pig.

you know that sounds really shallow, doesn't it? I do want more than just dinner and sex. She needs to be able to mow the lawns and stuff too

[miss soul fire]

I Love The King of Queens. Such a funny show!

But we are mostly talking about the looks, right?! Because Carrie is a major bitch and Doug's a sweetheart despite his screw-ups!:p

[wanton wench]

DON'T be fucking with my my words like that - wench bench. :mad:
hey i was making a point malty! :p
it goes both ways. i feel like you do but about a guy not a girl.
and i did get married and it almost ruined my life.
so dont talk to me like i dont know what i'm saying. :mad:
and by the way i'll fuck with what ever i want. :)

[bigblu89]

I'm more concerned that the family sitcoms of today still fit the same mold that they did 30-40 years ago.

Husband is a bumbling fool, most of the time overweight, has a great, hihg paying job, despite being a moron, and is the "breadwinner" of the family.

Wife is good looking, and still plays the suzy-homemaker role. Even shows like KOQ, Doug's wife only has a secratary job.

The amount of unemployed wives on sitcoms of today are rediculous.

It's more or less has been the Honey Mooners, and then a bunch of honey mooners wanna bees...

[Nuzzolese]

There have been episodes on shows like this where the wife starts to move up in the workplace and make more money than the husband, and then that causes a problem so the wife decides to quit the job so she can be home more and be a better wife and mother and housekeeper. Then the husband has to be very understanding and insist that she be honest that this is what she really wants to do, and he says he'll support whatever decision she makes, but she apparently is honest when she admits that what she wants is to be home.

[cj hood]

in all fairness........leah r. is just as big as kevin is now........and that sux......i don't even watch the new ones.......in the reruns she's so f'in hot!

[Nuzzolese]

in all fairness........leah r. is just as big as kevin is now........and that sux......i don't even watch the new ones.......in the reruns she's so f'in hot!

I never thought she was that great, even on the Saved By The Bell Malibu Sands mini series.

[Qdrop]

I think they have these shows set up to hook in the everyday average man. They can look at that guy and think, "wow, that idiot is just like me! except with a hot wife!"

it's like a fantasy world where they can identify with the bumbling chubby husband, but also stare at a hot mom.


exactly.

at least with physicalities...

i think this is less to do with culture, and more to do with networks trying to bring in thier target demograpic. (men 24-54)

put a likable, physically realistic man in the show so the men can connect.
then put a hot chick as his wife so they have some eye candy. and give her some hot friends too (this is the "Maxim" technique).
this all has little to do with reality, and more to do with TV-land ratings.
it's a fantasy created to draw in male viewers.

i mean....come on. hot chicks don't get with ugly or average dudes unless they are fuckin rich/famous.
it excedingly rare, anyway.

no fat guy watches those shows to empathize in that respect.
"wow...i'm 300 lbs and have real hot wife too!"

they watch it to fantasize.


now as far as the dumb/lovable husband and smart witty wife thing.
i think that works on 2 levels: it's there to pull in female viewers....who ALL think they are much smarter then thier husbands, and feel they can identify with that lead.
also, this always leads to NAGGING on the part of the wife role, which every male viewer can identify with.
it becomes a slightly complex stew of "hey, yeah...i know what that's like...."
all to connect with viewers and get the ratings.

and then, when this works for a few shows....in comes the clones. cause networks' strenghts do no lie in creativity....just commodinization.
so now your are just seeing more of those shows due to the stupid feedback loop.

[Nuzzolese]

So why is that funny? I'm not saying it's not funny I'm just wondering why we get so amused by that?

Mel Brooks said tragedy is me getting a papercut, comedy is you falling down the stairs and breaking your leg. So comedy is laughing at other people.

So then maybe we're not just supposed to identify with these characters, we're supposed to laugh at them and feel better about ourselves. I've always been made to understand that most of TV is geared towards a female audience (while most movies are targeted towards males) so then these shows maybe have a clownish man to amuse the women. The commercials with clownish men and smart women are often for things like dish soap and cheap wine coolers and stuff women are supposed to buy. Anyway it seems like the ads are aimed at women, who seem to view their husbands - smiling sheepishly as they track dirt into the house and lie on the sofa - as just another child in the house who can't take care of himself.

What are some of your favorite American sitcoms?
I always liked 3rd Rock From The Sun. Some people hated that show but I always enjoyed it. I thought it was pretty original and had good actors.

[Qdrop]

What are some of your favorite American sitcoms?
I always liked 3rd Rock From The Sun. Some people hated that show but I always enjoyed it. I thought it was pretty original and had good actors.

make that into a separate thread.....

[Nuzzolese]

make that into a separate thread.....

but I only want to discuss them in terms of how they relate to this whole clownish man/cool pretty lady topic.


In 3rd rock, it wasn't a normal household so I guess you can't compare it unless you talk about the couples in the show.

[Qdrop]

but I only want to discuss them in terms of how they relate to this whole clownish man/cool pretty lady topic.


In 3rd rock, it wasn't a normal household so I guess you can't compare it unless you talk about the couples in the show.

Lithgow was a bumbler.


Sitcoms i like: Curb[..] (bumbling dad, bitchy wife), scrubs, simpsons(bumbling dad, bitchy wife), family guy(bumbling dad, bitchy wife), american dad(bumbling dad, bitchy wife), malcom in the middle (bumbling dad, bitchy wife), Less than perfect (season1 only), will and grace, everbody loves ramond (bumbling dad, bitchy wife)....can't think of anymore at the moment.

[CrankItUp!]

hey i was making a point malty! :p
it goes both ways. i feel like you do but about a guy not a girl.
and i did get married and it almost ruined my life.
so dont talk to me like i dont know what i'm saying. :mad:
and by the way i'll fuck with what ever i want. :)
Go fuck your self next time you inferior bitch ! :mad:

[QueenAdrock]

What about I Love Lucy? I didn't see anyone mention it, and I've got far too short of an attention span to throughly scan.

She was the bumbling goofy dummy in that series, always getting herself into trouble. I guess because Lucille Ball was hot, and she could get away with it.

[Nuzzolese]

What about I Love Lucy? I didn't see anyone mention it, and I've got far too short of an attention span to throughly scan.

She was the bumbling goofy dummy in that series, always getting herself into trouble. I guess because Lucille Ball was hot, and she could get away with it.

Oh yeah thanks for mentioning that I forgot!

[bigblu89]

Yeah I Love Lucy was more or less the opposite of the sitcoms today. The wife was the bumbling fool, and Ricky was the "hotty" of the show.

The only difference was, for the time, Lucy was still a good looking chick.

[Bob]

nobody wants to see an ugly woman on television. not in a leading role, i mean

[Nuzzolese]

nobody wants to see an ugly woman on television. not in a leading role, i mean

Unless she's supposed to be evil, like on The Drew Carey Show.

[Bob]

Unless she's supposed to be evil, like on The Drew Carey Show.

right. you're not allowed to sympathize with ugly women, there's no excuse for being ugly. if you're ugly you have to be a clown

[Nuzzolese]

right. you're not allowed to sympathize with ugly women, there's no excuse for being ugly. if you're ugly you have to be a clown

Or you will need a makeover, and the purpose of your ugliness will be to demonstrate the power of makeup and posture and the mall...which really proves that you weren't ugly to begin with so I guess yeah, if you're ugly there's no hope for you to be of any great interest. The most you can hope for is to be the best friend of someone pretty and important.

[Bob]

Or you will need a makeover, and the purpose of your ugliness will be to demonstrate the power of makeup and posture and the mall...which really proves that you weren't ugly to begin with so I guess yeah, if you're ugly there's no hope for you to be of any great interest. The most you can hope for is to be the best friend of someone pretty and important.

i'd like to see a joe millionaire type reality show, where a bunch of guys have to compete to marry/date/have sex with and abandon a woman, but she turns out to be fat in the end. i don't know how you would do it logistically, but it would be kind of interesting...well actually, i probably wouldn't watch it, i hate reality shows, but it's an idea

[wanton wench]

Go fuck your self next time you inferior bitch ! :mad:
inferior hahahahahahahahahahahah
*finishes cheap ass bottle of maltliquor*
now whatcha got?

nothing...................empty fool!

[abcdefz]

I quite often see knockout women with homely guys. Who knows if they're "good enough" for one another or whatever -- I'm just talking about looks. I men -- some scuzzy looking overweight guy who can barely get his yellowed T-shirt over his gut is walking arm in arm with a babe... it's just weird.

The only time I've ever seen a great looking guy with a bleh woman was at a friend's bachelor party. The dude clearly had it going, and then this mouse came over and gave him a kiss and he started doting on her and everything, and it blew me away. I remember thinking "good for him" -- you know... to be able to see past the superficial stuff.

[Bob]

maybe she's loaded

[emceefukit]

Guys in sit-coms or commercials are always made out to be the dumb fuck with the way-too-fine wife. I think it's because for the most part men run "big buisness". So for some reason that makes it alright.

Also it's sort of like when you see some bumbling dumbass on t.v. or in a movie, for some reason if you see "plumbers crack " let's say, it's supposed to be funny but if you see a woman's ass it's considered sexual. WTF?



(I'm just looking for some support to see some nice looking woman ass on t.v.)

[abcdefz]

maybe she's loaded



...never thought of that. Yeah; maybe she's keeping him in steroids, hair products, and ginseng.

[CrankItUp!]

inferior hahahahahahahahahahahah
*finishes cheap ass bottle of maltliquor*
now whatcha got?

nothing...................empty fool!
Just because some boyfriend might've treated you like shit for the cunt that you are - don't fucking use me as your scapegoat for it.

[Lex Diamonds]

Why is it funny/charming for a man to be fat and bumbling and to have possibly taken a woman who is too good for him, and possibly have ruined her chances for a more glamorous life? There are several TV shows and movies and such where a man doesn't seem to deserve his wife, and we get the idea that she could have done better by social standards, but her love for him surpassed her shallow selfish ambitions, if she had any, to live a more exciting life? On The Simpsons and Family Guy we get that impression, and on Everybody Loves Raymond and The King of Queens...there has to be more.

I know I've seen countless commercials that have a man with a wife who appears much more beautiful and composed than him, and it's okay to joke about him being useless and bumbling while she rolls her eyes and smiles with the weary adoration of which you might look at a muddy puppy.

I think it was made very popular by Woody Allen, the whole nervous insecure guy whose idiosyncracies are heightened to comedy by his being placed with a beautiful woman who only makes him more insecure because he doesn't feel like he deserves her. Curb Your Enthusiasm has a similar idea.

Do most men feel like this and relate to this? Or is it just PC to make fun of men and not women because men can take the joke and women can't - since for so many years the belittled woman was not a joke?

I hope this post makes sense, I typed it really fast and was kind of distracted.
The reason for this is quite simple: men work, and bring in the money, whilst women sit at home looking pretty and acting glamorous. Women don't care how idiotic or bumbling men are as long as they bring home the bacon in time for their next mall visit. ;) (y)

[CrankItUp!]

Exactly bro.(y)

[bigblu89]

nobody wants to see an ugly woman on television. not in a leading role, i mean

Roseanne was a pretty sucessful show.

[wanton wench]

Just because some boyfriend might've treated you like shit for the cunt that you are - don't fucking use me as your scapegoat for it.
listen dumbass i didnt blame you for anything.
i was relating to you!
or did you miss that?
ya thought so.
now fuck off!

[ms.peachy]

The only time I've ever seen a great looking guy with a bleh woman was at a friend's bachelor party. The dude clearly had it going, and then this mouse came over and gave him a kiss and he started doting on her and everything, and it blew me away. I remember thinking "good for him" -- you know... to be able to see past the superficial stuff.

I met this guy a while back who was, like, hotter than hot. Really, really good looking. He used to come in often to the shop where I worked. He started telling me about his wife and how awesome she is and stuff and he awas obviously all kinds of 'wow' about her. But I didn't meet her for months after I'd met him. When she came in at first I was really surprised, because she was very plain looking, and appeared to be somewhat physically disabled. Turns out she had been (kinda still is in fact) a rather hot shit highly paid fashion photographer, who is always surrounded by these very glamourous types. He was a model when they met. And it occurred to me that maybe he loved her so much because she was so real.

[CrankItUp!]

I think I must've hit a nerve. :)

[wanton wench]

I think I must've hit a nerve. :)
its all smiles on my end :D

[CrankItUp!]

Of the tampon ?

[emceefukit]

The reason for this is quite simple: men work, and bring in the money, whilst women sit at home looking pretty and acting glamorous. Women don't care how idiotic or bumbling men are as long as they bring home the bacon in time for their next mall visit. ;) (y)


HAHA!

Yeah son!!

[wanton wench]

Of the tampon ?
your the one who pulled it out sick fucker! :)

[CrankItUp!]

I don't fucking think so. :D

[wanton wench]

you brought it up! :)

[Sarky Devotchka]

I'm friends with a married couple where the husband is cute and fit, and the wife is plain and somewhat overweight. They had some trouble in the beginning because they were really good friends and she had a crush on him, but didn't think that he would like her because of her looks. But one day they were lying under the stars together talking and she confessed her crush, and he said something like, "what makes you think I don't feel the same way?" They didn't end up hooking up or anything, because they had already planned on being roommates, so it was all awkward. There were ups and downs and dating of other people, but in the end, they decided that they were in love after all.

:)

however, they do get looks. the wife volunteers with some group for inner city teens and once she showed them a picture of her husband and they were like, "ooh, he's hot! I didn't know you had a hot husband!" and she was like, "why wouldn't I?!" and got mad and they felt bad. and sad.

[Nuzzolese]

Way to go Paula! (http://www.cinemas-online.co.uk/films/officergentleman/gentleman79.jpg)

[iceygirl]

Way to go Paula! (http://www.cinemas-online.co.uk/films/officergentleman/gentleman79.jpg)

oh jesus. *sniffle sniffle*

off topic but, do any of you know men who seem to pick every most worst moment ever to try and grope or makeout? like those moments where your head is somewhere else entriely (if you are mad, feel gross, extremely irritated) and it just is like the worst possible time to try and distract you?

[iceygirl]

Way to go Paula! (http://www.cinemas-online.co.uk/films/officergentleman/gentleman79.jpg)

i love that scence so much, but now my mind has wandered that that little blonde bitch and im thinking how i always longed for a scene where paula kicks her ass while being coached on from the sidelines by lou gosset jr.

[Nuzzolese]

i love that scence so much, but now my mind has wandered that that little blonde bitch and im thinking how i always longed for a scene where paula kicks her ass while being coached on from the sidelines by lou gosset jr.

I would love to have Lou Gosset Jr. from that movie yelling and coaching me from the sidelines whenever I have to do something difficult, like look for a certain kind of computer programming book at the store.

[Bob]

Roseanne was a pretty sucessful show.

i completely forgot about roseanne. ok, roseanne's an exception