how many of you are vegetarians?

[cubsfirstplace]

in real life i dont know any vegetarians (ive only met one in my life)
but on here it seems like half of you guys are silly vegetarians

[sheesh]

I could very easily be a vegetarian but my wife would rather roll over and die than eat only veggies. Besides, her fried cube steak can't be beat.

[zorra_chiflada]

i am, and have been for about 7 years.

p.s. by the way you said "silly" vegetarians, i gather you're going to go on and be an arsehole about it. whatever. i'll refute anything you say.

[tracky]

Our anscestors didn't get to the top of the food chain just so we could eat tofu (!)

[TurdBerglar]

if all i ate was vegtables, i would have to eat a whole lot. i don't think i would be able to sustain myself

[zorra_chiflada]

Our anscestors didn't get to the top of the food chain just so we could eat tofu (!)

humans didn't develop elongated digestive systems to eat meat.

[TurdBerglar]

then why the fuck do we have canines?

[zorra_chiflada]

I thought vegetarians were militant

I read about them blowing up SPCA's and Mcdonalds across the world

yep. i'm evil and crazy. a commie too!

[zorra_chiflada]

then why the fuck do we have canines?

raw vegetables?

[tracky]

uhum (http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/carn_herb_comparison.html)

[TurdBerglar]

raw vegetables?


yeah them raw vegetables are so viscious!

[zorra_chiflada]

uhum (http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/carn_herb_comparison.html)

whatever. i'm not gonna die. and i'll probably live long as well. suck it.
my mother is a dietician, so i can assure you that i have a very healthy, balanced diet.

people get pissed off at vegetarians for the same reason that bush supporters hate liberals - they think they're "do-gooders"

[TurdBerglar]

they think they're "do-gooders"


no i don't


i think it's insane for a perfectly healthy person to not eat meat.

[tracky]

I don't get pissed at vegetarians

I get pissed at vegetarians who try and force their beliefs on me

[zorra_chiflada]

I don't get pissed at vegetarians

I get pissed at vegetarians who try and force their beliefs on me

well, i don't force my beliefs on anyone, i can assure you.
it's just that i find myself constantly having to defend my beliefs. some people think that because of the fact that i simply have beliefs, i am forcing it onto them.

[DroppinScience]

We really have to do something about those hard-line vegetarian fundamentalists. They're like communists and terrorists.... COMBINED. :eek:

[cubsfirstplace]

i am, and have been for about 7 years.

p.s. by the way you said "silly" vegetarians, i gather you're going to go on and be an arsehole about it. whatever. i'll refute anything you say.

ic
whyd you decide to become one?

[zorra_chiflada]

ic
whyd you decide to become one?

a few reasons.
it started off for health reasons.
i like animals, and don't want to have them on my plate. and other various ethical reasons
i never really liked the taste.
buying meat is expensive.


btw, my boyfriend eats plenty of meat, and i don't try to stop him.

[cubsfirstplace]

a few reasons.
it started off for health reasons.
i like animals, and don't want to have them on my plate. and other various ethical reasons
i never really liked the taste.
buying meat is expensive.


btw, my boyfriend eats plenty of meat, and i don't try to stop him.

no! im pretty sure tofu cost more than a hotdg or a hambuger
wouldnt you be hungry all the time if you were just eating grass and leaves all day?

[zorra_chiflada]

no! im pretty sure tofu cost more than a hotdg or a hambuger
wouldnt you be hungry all the time if you were just eating grass and leaves all day?

tofu, "grass" and "leaves" is not all i eat. i'm never hungry. i eat plenty. i am not underweight.
however, i do not eat at McDonalds, KFC or any other fast food chains.
i think you might find that not all food in the world is meat.

[cubsfirstplace]

tofu, "grass" and "leaves" is not all i eat. i'm never hungry. i eat plenty. i am not underweight.
however, i do not eat at McDonalds, KFC or any other fast food chains.
i think you might find that not all food in the world is meat.

i had a delicious steak tonight :) (y)

[DrumSetMan]

no! im pretty sure tofu cost more than a hotdg or a hambuger
wouldnt you be hungry all the time if you were just eating grass and leaves all day?
i would be hungry

[cubsfirstplace]

i would be hungry

SO WOULD THE REST OF THE WORLD!!

i never knew u could get your font this big

[TurdBerglar]

vegetarians seem spoiled to me

[zorra_chiflada]

SO WOULD THE REST OF THE WORLD!!

so how come you meateaters are always trying to push your beliefs on to me?
please tell me why it offends you soooo much that someone you're talking to on the internet is a vegetarian? WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE?
i mean, you're being pretty stupid, aren't you? are you trying to tempt me to eat meat with your really clever arguments? it's not working. sorry.

[zorra_chiflada]

vegetarians seem spoiled to me

nope you're wrong. my family lived under the poverty line. not spoiled remotely.

[TurdBerglar]

so


you still seem spoiled

[zorra_chiflada]

so


you still seem spoiled

i'm spoiled because i don't eat something?
that argument has absolutely no logic, and you know it. :rolleyes:

[TurdBerglar]

i'm spoiled because i don't eat something?
that argument has absolutely no logic, and you know it. :rolleyes:


"i don't eat meat becuase it hurts the animals"

what the fuck? that doesn't seem crazy to you?

[zorra_chiflada]

"i don't eat meat becuase it hurts the animals"

what the fuck? that doesn't seem crazy to you?

did you even read what i said? no, you didn't.
i had many reasons.

[cubsfirstplace]

so how come you meateaters are always trying to push your beliefs on to me?
please tell me why it offends you soooo much that someone you're talking to on the internet is a vegetarian? WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE?
i mean, you're being pretty stupid, aren't you? are you trying to tempt me to eat meat with your really clever arguments? it's not working. sorry.

im just trying to save ur life.
you know the average vegetarian is dead by the time they hit 30

[TurdBerglar]

did you even read what i said? no, you didn't.
i had many reasons.



that wasn't directed specifically towards you alone

[zorra_chiflada]

im just trying to save ur life.
you know the average vegetarian is dead by the time they hit 30

wow. you're my hero!

[DrumSetMan]

eating meat doesnt hurt animals besides they don't have souls anyways

[cubsfirstplace]

i dont mind vegetarians as long as there not involved with peta

[zorra_chiflada]

eating meat doesnt hurt animals besides they don't have souls anyways

souls?
wtf? nothing has "souls." what are you, religious?

[cosmo105]

the average vegetarian lives much longer than the average meat-eater, and has virtually no chance of heart disease.

the "canine" argument is bullshit. humans' canines have actually gotten smaller over our evolutionary history - when we were purely herbivores (pre- homo erectus) our canines were HUGE. look at gorillas. they have the biggest canines in the primate family, and they're completely vegetarian. they don't ever eat meat.

veggie here. vegetarian almost 4 years, vegan a year and a half.

i don't force it on anyone else, so don't try and force your views on me. it's a personal choice and it doesn't affect your life in one way so fuck off. it's the most environmentally healthy choice you can make in your life with the biggest impact.

[zorra_chiflada]

the average vegetarian lives much longer than the average meat-eater, and has virtually no chance of heart disease.

the "canine" argument is bullshit. humans' canines have actually gotten smaller over our evolutionary history - when we were purely herbivores (pre- homo erectus) our canines were HUGE. look at gorillas. they have the biggest canines in the primate family, and they're completely vegetarian. they don't ever eat meat.

veggie here. vegetarian almost 4 years, vegan a year and a half.

i don't force it on anyone else, so don't try and force your views on me. it's a personal choice and it doesn't affect your life in one way so fuck off. it's the most environmentally healthy choice you can make in your life with the biggest impact.

i was waiting for you. :)

[cosmo105]

i got your back, sister. :cool:

[TurdBerglar]

fuck you eat some meat



you cut out meat from your diet but then you take all these suppliments to support the absence of meat. if we as humans were designed to eat only vegtables why do you vegetarians take all these suppliments?

[cubsfirstplace]

u have to admit all peta does is try to scare people away from eating meat

[zorra_chiflada]

u have to admit all peta does is try to scare people away from eating meat

wow. you know everything, don't you? sorry don't "u"? :rolleyes:

[DrumSetMan]

the average vegetarian lives much longer than the average meat-eater, and has virtually no chance of heart disease.

the "canine" argument is bullshit. humans' canines have actually gotten smaller over our evolutionary history - when we were purely herbivores (pre- homo erectus) our canines were HUGE. look at gorillas. they have the biggest canines in the primate family, and they're completely vegetarian. they don't ever eat meat.

veggie here. vegetarian almost 4 years, vegan a year and a half.

i don't force it on anyone else, so don't try and force your views on me. it's a personal choice and it doesn't affect your life in one way so fuck off. it's the most environmentally healthy choice you can make in your life with the biggest impact.



no chance of heart disease that BULLSHIT!!!!!!
like vegetarians don't eat fries , chips, and crap junk food!!!!!!
and what if they are lazy and fat and sit on there ass!!!?
with no excersize

[zorra_chiflada]

no chance of heart disease that BULLSHIT!!!!!!
like vegetarians don't eat fries , chips, and crap junk food!!!!!!
and what if they are lazy and fat and sit on there ass!!!?
with no excersize

uh, most vegetarians are health conscious (hench their non meat eating) so no, it's not bullshit.

[zorra_chiflada]

oh, and drumsetman, stop PMing me pictures of meat. it's not funny. if you want to be a jerk, do it out in the open and not by PM you fucking pussy.

[TurdBerglar]

hahahaha


that's great

[cubsfirstplace]

oh, and drumsetman, stop PMing me pictures of meat. it's not funny. if you want to be a jerk, do it out in the open and not by PM you fucking pussy.

lol

ZORRA PLEASE CLICK THIS (http://www.zenreich.com/ZenWeb/images/filetmignon3.JPG)

[DrumSetMan]

uh, most vegetarians are health conscious (hench their non meat eating) so no, it's not bullshit.


yeah but doesnt me they have no chance!!!!!! that makes me angry cuz humans DO DIE!!!!!!!! just because your a vegetarian doesnt mean your going to live forever!!! besides this girl at my school who is vegetarian last year she was a bit chubby but now she is like anorexic when i saw her in school

[zorra_chiflada]

hahahaha


that's great


turd, you stop too. it's not offending me or tempting me. don't be a fucking pussy.

[TurdBerglar]

how am i being a pussy?

[zorra_chiflada]

yeah but doesnt me they have no chance!!!!!! that makes me angry cuz humans DO DIE!!!!!!!! just because your a vegetarian doesnt mean your going to live forever!!! besides this girl at my school who is vegetarian last year she was a bit chubby but now she is like anorexic when i saw her in school

wow!!!!! that must mean all vegetarians are like that, doesn't it?!!!!!!!

[cubsfirstplace]

ahahah all the vegetables are making her moody. (another little known fact)

[TurdBerglar]

emotional females are so much fun!

[zorra_chiflada]

ahahah all the vegetables are making her moody. (another little known fact)

no. not moody at all. i think it's you that's getting a little bit angry. :p

[zorra_chiflada]

emotional females are so much fun!

but i'm having a great time!

[cosmo105]

fuck you eat some meat



you cut out meat from your diet but then you take all these suppliments to support the absence of meat. if we as humans were designed to eat only vegtables why do you vegetarians take all these suppliments?
i didn't say we were designed to eat only vegetables. i'm just saying the canine argument is flawed. modern humans evolved larger brains because they had richer diets when they started hunting and eating meat. it's not about that for me. it's an ethical and health choice - most meat out there is tainted with so many antibiotics and steroids and hormones and other toxins, it's barely edible. and i PERSONALLY can't stand the thought of consuming animal products. so i CHOOSE not to.

[TurdBerglar]

but i'm having a great time!



so do you wanna see my meat now?

[cosmo105]

also - i would never force my vegetarian views on anyone else as you asses are trying to convince zorra that she should eat meat. my boyfriend can't be vegetarian, it would kill him because of an inflammatory bowel disease that he has - and i would never DREAM of even asking him to consider being vegetarian. i don't force it on anyone and i don't make anyone, even my family members, feel guilty about being omnivorous. it's a personal choice and it's not like we're going up to you and slapping burgers out of your fat mouths.

[DrumSetMan]

i didn't say we were designed to eat only vegetables. i'm just saying the canine argument is flawed. modern humans evolved larger brains because they had richer diets when they started hunting and eating meat. it's not about that for me. it's an ethical and health choice - most meat out there is tainted with so many antibiotics and steroids and hormones and other toxins, it's barely edible. and i PERSONALLY can't stand the thought of consuming animal products. so i CHOOSE not to.


then if babys breast feed from their moms how come it is bad to have cow milk or goat milk!!!!

and besides you can't cheese AWAY!!!! ITS FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cosmo105]

hahah.

WE'RE NOT COWS OR GOATS, IDIOT.

babies are the only humans intended to drink milk, and that's milk FROM A HUMAN MOTHER. we are the only mammals that drink milk beyond infancy, and the only mammals to regularly drink the milk of other mammals. we're all lactose intolerant to some degree. we're not set up to digest dairy.

have fun with all your colon cancer and heart disease (y)

[cubsfirstplace]

zorra, stop PMing me pictures of tofu. it's not funny. if you want to be a jerk, do it out in the open and not by PM you fucking pussy.

[Medellia]

also - i would never force my vegetarian views on anyone else as you asses are trying to convince zorra that she should eat meat. my boyfriend can't be vegetarian, it would kill him because of an inflammatory bowel disease that he has - and i would never DREAM of even asking him to consider being vegetarian. i don't force it on anyone and i don't make anyone, even my family members, feel guilty about being omnivorous. it's a personal choice and it's not like we're going up to you and slapping burgers out of your fat mouths.
Well said.I eat meat, but I'll gladly back you and Zorra up here. I know the two of you don't force your beliefs down our throats, unlike a few posters in this thread trying to get the two of you to eat meat. Really fucking mature fellas.

[zorra_chiflada]

zorra, stop PMing me pictures of tofu. it's not funny. if you want to be a jerk, do it out in the open and not by PM you fucking pussy.

haha mmmm bean curd.

[TurdBerglar]

you know what?


i like those bocaburgers.

[Medellia]

i like those bocaburgers.
Eww, those are kinda gross. I prefer Morningstar.

[TurdBerglar]

im not too sure what the brand name is



i've had a few of them and i like the ones that were a lot hartier and thicker

[DrumSetMan]

hahah.

WE'RE NOT COWS OR GOATS, IDIOT.

babies are the only humans intended to drink milk, and that's milk FROM A HUMAN MOTHER. we are the only mammals that drink milk beyond infancy, and the only mammals to regularly drink the milk of other mammals. we're all lactose intolerant to some degree. we're not set up to digest dairy.

have fun with all your colon cancer and heart disease (y)


then how come cows and goats have tits just like humans for milk!!!!

you can still get cancer yourself and WHY THE FUCK WOULD I GET CANCER FROM FUCKING MEAT!!!!!
and dont give me some bullshit crap about evolution and fucking human genomes what happens if you get breast cancer or sumthin huh would that b funny no cuz you know people do die of cancer!!!!!!!!! thats pisses me off !!! cuz my friend isnt able to attend my party b/c he has to go to a funeral for sumone who died of cancer!!! and ur makin fun of it!

[monkey]

im a picky vegetarian. becauseiam.since a long toime ago. like 1997 or 1998. word.

[zorra_chiflada]

then how come cows and goats have tits just like humans for milk!!!!

you can still get cancer yourself and WHY THE FUCK WOULD I GET CANCER FROM FUCKING MEAT!!!!!
and dont give me some bullshit crap about evolution and fucking human genomes what happens if you get breast cancer or sumthin huh would that b funny no cuz you know people do die of cancer!!!!!!!!! thats pisses me off !!! cuz my friend isnt able to attend my party b/c he has to go to a funeral for sumone who died of cancer!!! and ur makin fun of it!

haha
you're dumb.
it's funny!

[cubsfirstplace]

haha
you're dumb.
it's funny!

are you trying to say eating meat lowers your IQ??!?!?! :confused: :confused: :confused:

[zorra_chiflada]

are you trying to say eating meat lowers your IQ??!?!?! :confused: :confused: :confused:

no. i don't think he had an iq to start off with.

[tracky]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD I GET CANCER FROM FUCKING MEAT!!!!!

i dunno but if you fucked some raw meat i'm pretty sure it would lead to a nasty infection


ps. wasn't suggestion zorra is forcing her opinion upon us, and i wasn't trying to force my opinion on her either, I just wanted to correct her on the digestive system thing

[synch]

I didn't know there were so many dumb asses on this board. I should have guessed though.

Turd is exempt. It was a given that he's "special".

[zorra_chiflada]

I didn't know there were so many dumb asses on this board. I should have guessed though.


there's millions more of them in the real world

[DrumSetMan]

haha
you're dumb.
it's funny!

YOU'rE A FUCKING TREE HUGGERRR!!!


hahahahahahahahahha

[synch]

Ah... you are jealous that trees get more action than you.

Makes perfect sense now. Carry on.

[zorra_chiflada]

boo hoo hoo.
god, you're pissed off about something, kiddo! :p

not you synch, the one above you!

[DrumSetMan]

boo hoo hoo.
god, you're pissed off about something, kiddo! :p

not you synch, the one above you!



hahaha at least i don't luv animals so much, that i would fuck them up the ass and then join PETA where they make commercials with cats fucking each other

[zorra_chiflada]

i bet you a dollar that drumset man is gmsisko.

i do kinda feel a little sorry for you, because you're actually taking this seriously and thinking really hard about your responses.

[DrumSetMan]

hahaha at least i don't luv animals so much, that i would fuck them up the ass and then join PETA where they make commercials with cats fucking each other


P.s. if anyone saw the pam anderson roast they wouldl know what i am talking about

[DrumSetMan]

i bet you a dollar that drumset man is gmsisko.


what the fuck is that?

o and if you think i am sumone else i am not ,cuz i don't spend my time posting 3000 gay fucking times

[zorra_chiflada]

you!
thanx for playin inchwhipper!

[DrumSetMan]

you!
thanx for playin inchwhipper!

at least i can speak english

[cubsfirstplace]

i can confrim drumsetman is not gmisko. hes actualy adam horovitz

[zorra_chiflada]

at least i can speak english

then how come cows and goats have tits just like humans for milk!!!!

you can still get cancer yourself and WHY THE FUCK WOULD I GET CANCER FROM FUCKING MEAT!!!!!
and dont give me some bullshit crap about evolution and fucking human genomes what happens if you get breast cancer or sumthin huh would that b funny no cuz you know people do die of cancer!!!!!!!!! thats pisses me off !!! cuz my friend isnt able to attend my party b/c he has to go to a funeral for sumone who died of cancer!!! and ur makin fun of it!

[DrumSetMan]

really?

yeah cuz wtf is inchwhipper

[cubsfirstplace]

yeah cuz wtf is inchwhipper

ancient chinease secret

[cosmo105]

um

all mammals have nipples because their young feed from their mothers' breastmilk


that doesn't mean we go sucking on llama or whale or moose titties, now, does it? i know i don't.

[DrumSetMan]

um

all mammals have nipples because their young feed from their mothers' breastmilk


that doesn't mean we go sucking on llama or whale or moose titties, now, does it? i know i don't.

well i know you do

[zorra_chiflada]

look out cosmo, this drumset guy is a real challenge!
his arguments are so well thought out and flawless!

[synch]

Well duh, he's a drummer you know...

[cosmo105]

the moral of the story, kids, is that it's a misconception that all vegetarians are militant and crusaders. sure, some may be...but does that mean all are? no. most aren't, and hate the stigma that comes with being labeled veggie. and not all of us agree with PETA. their tactics aren't very honest, and as an organization i'm not too fond of them. but that's a different issue. my point is...it's not changing the way you live...so what do you care? if it was a religious issue, no one would say peep for fear of offending someone. to me, this is as important ethically and morally as a religious tenet, so i get pretty pissed if someone tries to dissuade me from vegetarianism. but i can understand when people have honest questions about it, and am more than willing to answer to the best of my knowledge.

[cubsfirstplace]

the moral of the story, kids, is that it's a misconception that all vegetarians are militant and crusaders. sure, some may be...but does that mean all are? no. most aren't, and hate the stigma that comes with being labeled veggie. and not all of us agree with PETA. their tactics aren't very honest, and as an organization i'm not too fond of them. but that's a different issue. my point is...it's not changing the way you live...so what do you care? if it was a religious issue, no one would say peep for fear of offending someone. to me, this is as important ethically and morally as a religious tenet, so i get pretty pissed if someone tries to dissuade me from vegetarianism. but i can understand when people have honest questions about it, and am more than willing to answer to the best of my knowledge.

see at least cosmo hates peta
this thread is amazing. i think im gonna post in it daily

[DrumSetMan]

the moral of the story, kids, is that it's a misconception that all vegetarians are militant and crusaders. sure, some may be...but does that mean all are? no. most aren't, and hate the stigma that comes with being labeled veggie. and not all of us agree with PETA. their tactics aren't very honest, and as an organization i'm not too fond of them. but that's a different issue. my point is...it's not changing the way you live...so what do you care? if it was a religious issue, no one would say peep for fear of offending someone. to me, this is as important ethically and morally as a religious tenet, so i get pretty pissed if someone tries to dissuade me from vegetarianism. but i can understand when people have honest questions about it, and am more than willing to answer to the best of my knowledge.

then quit fucking saying being non fucking vegan or veggie fucker will give you fucking cancer!!!!!!

[zorra_chiflada]

see at least cosmo hates peta
this thread is amazing. i think im gonna post in it daily

ahem! point out to me where i said i liked peta, or was a part of it. go on. :rolleyes:

[synch]

see at least cosmo hates peta
this thread is amazing. i think im gonna post in it daily

It's like discussing with a republican...

and as an organization i'm not too fond of them

"not fond" is not "hate"

[cubsfirstplace]

ahem! point out to me where i said i liked peta, or was a part of it. go on. :rolleyes:

in that PM you sent me (lb)

[cosmo105]

then quit fucking saying being non fucking vegan or veggie fucker will give you fucking cancer!!!!!!
i didn't say not being vegan or vegetarian would give you cancer.

eating red meat, especially non-organic, increases your risk of colon cancer.

[zorra_chiflada]

in that PM you sent me (lb)

haha! whatever

[DrumSetMan]

ahem! point out to me where i said i liked peta, or was a part of it. go on. :rolleyes:

my plan is working i am making vegetarians anti PETA(A.K.A.people eating tastey animals)

[cubsfirstplace]

ill be back tomorrow
this epic thread has only just begain

[Tzar]

i could go for some dead baby cow right now.

[DrumSetMan]

i didn't say not being vegan or vegetarian would give you cancer.

eating red meat, especially non-organic, increases your risk of colon cancer.


GOD DAMNIT YOU SAYING NOT SHOVING VEGETARIANISM INTO MY FACE BULLSHIT YOU ARE!!!!!
HOW DO YOU FUCKING KNOW DO U LOOK AT MY COLON!!!!! and besides i cook my meat AND FUCK ORGANIC FOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cosmo105]

so are you 12 or were you just born without a frontal lobe?

[Tzar]

so are you 12 or were you just born without a frontal lobe?

*whispers* what's a frontal lobe?

[cosmo105]

the most advanced part of the human brain.

[DrumSetMan]

so are you 12 or were you just born without a frontal lobe?

neither do u drink alcoholic beverages?

[cosmo105]

occasionally, but not for some time. i'm a bit of a lightweight when it comes to drinking.

seriously though, you're not very fun to argue with. it's like reasoning with a menstruating bear.

[DrumSetMan]

occasionally, but not for some time. i'm a bit of a lightweight when it comes to drinking.

seriously though, you're not very fun to argue with. it's like reasoning with a menstruating bear.


OMG YOU DRINK A LITTLE BEER YOUR INCREASING YOUR CHANCES OF SCARRING OF THE LIVER, HEPATITIS, AND LIVER DAMAGE

(see i can be just as annoying as you)

[Medellia]

OMG YOU DRINK A LITTLE BEER YOUR INCREASING YOUR CHANCES OF SCARRING OF THE LIVER, HEPATITIS, AND LIVER DAMAGE

(see i can be just as annoying as you)
Actually, a LITTLE alcohol is good for you. It helps you fight cancer and heart disease. It's only large amounts for long periods of time that cause the serious damge that you are talking about.

[cosmo105]

nice try ;)

i don't drink alcohol every day of my life; i consume it in moderation, very occasionally.

and i look out for my liver in other ways. the damage hormone- and steroid-filled meat does to your liver, in fact, your whole internal organ system, isn't something to balk at. if i were an alcoholic with a severely overtaxed liver, that'd be one thing. but i'm not.

[DrumSetMan]

nice try ;)

i don't drink alcohol every day of my life; i consume it in moderation, very occasionally.

and i look out for my liver in other ways. the damage hormone- and steroid-filled meat does to your liver, in fact, your whole internal organ system, isn't something to balk at. if i were an alcoholic with a severely overtaxed liver, that'd be one thing. but i'm not.


let me tell you of some risks!!! if u have DNA from relative of heart disease problems that runs in the family it doesnt mean veganism will protect you!!!!
will vegetarianism protect you from a knife fight?


o and umm i don't use steriods or eat meat with steriods!!!!!!



o and is there actually a hormone called damage hormone!!!

[Tzar]

let me tell you of some risks!!! if u have DNA from relative of heart disease problems that runs in the family it doesnt mean veganism will protect you!!!!
will vegetarianism protect you from a knife fight?

can i rape you?

[DrumSetMan]

can i rape you?


i know im sexy but no

[cosmo105]

let me tell you of some risks!!! if u have DNA from relative of heart disease problems that runs in the family it doesnt mean veganism will protect you!!!!
will vegetarianism protect you from a knife fight?


o and umm i don't use steriods or eat meat with steriods!!!!!!



o and is there actually a hormone called damage hormone!!!
heart disease DOES run in one side of my family, but really, being vegan i have nothing to worry about. cholesterol is only present in animal products - and besides that, i'm one of the most health-conscious people i know. i work at a health food store.

vegetarianism wouldn't exactly matter in a knife fight, but i think my 6 years of karate would help.

and i didn't say you used steroids. but if you're eating non-organic meat, guess what! you're eating steroids! modern cows are so doped up they wouldn't pass a drug test for a t-ball team.

damage hormone? uh, okay.

[Medellia]

let me tell you of some risks!!! if u have DNA from relative of heart disease problems that runs in the family it doesnt mean veganism will protect you!!!!
No, but a healthy diet will help some.
will vegetarianism protect you from a knife fight?
Dude, she's a ninja. :rolleyes:
o and umm i don't use steriods or eat meat with steriods!!!!!!
and how do you know there are no roids in your food? Hmmm?

[Tzar]

i know im sexy but no

your ass is mine, baby!

[DrumSetMan]

No, but a healthy diet will help some.

Dude, she's a ninja. :rolleyes:

and how do you know there are no roids in your food? Hmmm?


and how do u know there are roids in my food!!!!!! are you personally monitoring my food!!!! besides my ma goes to an amazing BUTCHERY!!!! AND THE MEAT IS SO FUCKING DELICIOUS!!!!!!!! o wait you guys wouldn't know about that

[DrumSetMan]

heart disease DOES run in one side of my family, but really, being vegan i have nothing to worry about. cholesterol is only present in animal products - and besides that, i'm one of the most health-conscious people i know. i work at a health food store.

vegetarianism wouldn't exactly matter in a knife fight, but i think my 6 years of karate would help.

and i didn't say you used steroids. but if you're eating non-organic meat, guess what! you're eating steroids! modern cows are so doped up they wouldn't pass a drug test for a t-ball team.

damage hormone? uh, okay.

HEALTH FREAK!!!!!!! hahahahahahahhahahahhahhahaha

and some cholestrol is needed in the body you know i know that threw 4 years of health classes in school

[Medellia]

and how do u know there are roids in my food!!!!!! are you personally monitoring my food!!!! besides my ma goes to an amazing BUTCHERY!!!! AND THE MEAT IS SO FUCKING DELICIOUS!!!!!!!! o wait you guys wouldn't know about that
And how do you know there aren't? Is it organic? Because if it's not there it's more likely that there will be roids in it. And your mom gets it for you? Makes you sound...hmmm...12! Shut up please. Zorra and Cos are not telling you that you need to go veggie, yet you are doing just that to them.

PS-You sound really angry. Sure there are no roids in your system? :p

[BionicEye]

Why the hell has this argument with a 12 year old, hyperactive drummer boy gone on for 6000 pages? Goddamn!

[Hiebz]

I think vegetarians raise some good questions about the meat we eat, I am concerned about pollutitives entering what I eat, weather it be steroids and medicines pumped into farm animals or through other means. However, I see those same dangers occurring in plant lives too through air pollution, water and land pollution (not to mention mensonto (sp?)). I grew up on a farm and prefer to eat meat from local farms I can trust, but unfortunately do not go with that option all of the time. For me personally, I make efforts to eat less meat in my diet, but don't think it is necessary to eliminate it entirely from my diet. I also think if survival is a priority for us as a human race, it is important to have diversity in many aspects, and therefore think it is important for vegetarians and meat-eaters and omnivores to exist.

[Jayrock5054]

I tried being a vegetarian for about six months once. Considering I was still in high shcool living with my mom I quickly ran out of things to eat. That and my mom took it upon herself to make sure she and my brother ate at all my favorite places and wouldn't give me anything.

[Dr Deaf]

since i started on the boards my opinion of vegetarianism / veganism has changed drastically. in the early years i'd mock and poke fun at the veggies. these days i completely respect and admire those dedicated or even just experimenting with it.

it's a lifestyle choice, i only wish i had the strength and courage to pursue more aggressively. i think one day i'll make the switch. i'd probably start with vegetarianism at first and slowly gravitate towards veganism over time.

[Calimero jr.]

I think I couldn't go on without some meat from time to time. I try not to eat too much meat, but I could never resist a nice juicy steak :o

If I need something healthy I'll eat a vegetarian, they're full of fibers. :D :D

[Dr Deaf]

If I need something healthy I'll eat a vegetarian, they're full of fibers. :D :D


lolz. i'm a part time vagatarian. lolz.

[Lindsey_1535]

I reallllly had a dream about a thread like this it was wierd and I am da veggie eater.

[cosmo105]

since i started on the boards my opinion of vegetarianism / veganism has changed drastically. in the early years i'd mock and poke fun at the veggies. these days i completely respect and admire those dedicated or even just experimenting with it.

it's a lifestyle choice, i only wish i had the strength and courage to pursue more aggressively. i think one day i'll make the switch. i'd probably start with vegetarianism at first and slowly gravitate towards veganism over time.
that's really good to read. thanks for the support and respect, doctor. :)

[g-mile7]

why do people do it though I really want to know. Becasue the basic arguments that come to mind are pretty weak, in terms or science and sense

[cosmo105]

have you read any of this thread?

[DrumSetMan]

I think I couldn't go on without some meat from time to time. I try not to eat too much meat, but I could never resist a nice juicy steak :o

If I need something healthy I'll eat a vegetarian, they're full of fibers. :D :D

lol

[instigator7022]

pretty much half the people i know are vegetarians. Sometimes i feel like i should become a vegetarian because it is really sad to think that some animals are only born and raised to be eaten.

something that does make me mad though is that this one girl i know became a vegetarian for no reason and is always complaining about it and thats annoying but she wont quit being one.

[DrumSetMan]

And how do you know there aren't? Is it organic? Because if it's not there it's more likely that there will be roids in it. And your mom gets it for you? Makes you sound...hmmm...12! Shut up please. Zorra and Cos are not telling you that you need to go veggie, yet you are doing just that to them.

PS-You sound really angry. Sure there are no roids in your system? :p


no there is colon cancer and heart disease according to cosmos

i sound 12 hahaha i didnt kno people can hear typed letters
once again i don't care if my food is organic or not besides we go to an awesome butchery for our meat and it is really amazing! without steriods

[g-mile7]

have you read any of this thread?


yes. But I still have my questions though you got a problem with that? At least Im asking instead of bashing about something Im not too knowledgable bout.

[adam_f]

If meat is what kills me, then so be it. I'll take that over, say, getting shot.

[cosmo105]

it's been gone over. it's a PERSONAL ETHICAL CHOICE.

[DrumSetMan]

If meat is what kills me, then so be it. I'll take that over, say, getting shot.
how could meat kill you? unless its food poisened or not cooked enough

[g-mile7]

well isnt that what most things in life are, choices? But frankly I dont see the ethics in the killing of plants, which everyone pretty much agree on being alive (how are we to say that plants do not have souls) and that of an animal. If its a religious, how do you say "god wouldnt want us killing animals for food", I say crack open the good book and see Jesus servin fish, an animal, to his disciples. Its a choice yes, but the fact is it's a choice that some, NOT YOU, try to force on people like religion. Now Im not saying thats its wrong or right, thats why Im asking for more spefic answers and what not, but from what I read its all pretty verbatim. But at least Im not saying thats its wrong, unlike some who think their opinion is truth (ie: 2pac is overated but Ive never listened to an entire 2pac cd ever, this and that blah)

[cosmo105]

haha you're still angry about that?

[wavin_goodbye]

vegetarian for 10-11 of my 18 1/2 years

[g-mile7]

haha you're still angry about that?


seems likes you the one still acting mad towards me example, dont you love my ies ha, bout me speakin bout people in the family lp. Seems your pretty quick to try and put me in my place with what percieve to be half/smart ass comments.

[cosmo105]

...what? :confused:

[DrumSetMan]

seems likes you the one still acting mad towards me example, dont you love my ies ha, bout me speakin bout people in the family lp. Seems your pretty quick to try and put me in my place with what percieve to be half/smart ass comments.


that what it seems cosmos does (half/smart ass comments b/c cosmos stereotypes me with colon cancer and heart disease!

[g-mile7]

...what? :confused:


answer to 2pac not being overated by me:

but tell that to the million of fans round the world he has and him ebing the top saleing hip-hop artist of all time



your answer:
exactly. overrated.


when I spoke out bout feeling attacked in the family lp everytime I post and feeling like people just let shit pass:

"Every time I post a picture you think I was like Malcolm X or something, everyone getting upset just because of what they heard instead of what I’m really about"

"I guess I’m just too much of a leader/disciple of the works of X and King to let people just get away with flawed logic."

your reply:


"and don't you think comparing yourself to the Reverend Doctor and Malcom X on an internet messageboard is just a bit much?"


my reply:

"you obvisouly dont know me well enough to make that statement."



sorry to go off on a tanget with the thread, and I will stop doing it but in the past couple months Miss cozzie seems like you got a bit of an attitude going towards me.

[Nuzzolese]

For 7 years.

[cosmo105]

move on, man. it's just a messageboard.

[g-mile7]

move on, man. it's just a messageboard.


thus the half/smart ass comments continue, I dont know what your "beef" is but the attitude I sense it even on "a message board". I asked a question orginally and like the previous times b4 your gave be BS, thus the reason I even brought up previosu shit before. But whatever do your thing. I got no hate towards you even though you seem to have it with me nowadays ever since I posted that long reply in July


oh yea and I love salad espcially with ranch dressing

[Elle]

what brands do you recommend from the grocery store?

[cubsfirstplace]

why do people do it though I really want to know. Becasue the basic arguments that come to mind are pretty weak, in terms or science and sense

i know thats what i have been trying to figure out.

oh, and i have a question for cosmo, since you work in a health store. do you know if coke (the drink!) is really that bad for your, because i have been drinking it for years and i havent noticed any side effects/

[Auton]

people get pissed off at vegetarians for the same reason that bush supporters hate liberals - they think they're "do-gooders"

probably the last thing a bush supporter would say about liberals

edit: and peta is evil and i admire vegans

[QweenOfBoggle]

no chance of heart disease that BULLSHIT!!!!!!

I actually agree with this. Heart disease can be caused by excess fat being consumed. Red meat is very fatty, but so are many things that vegans/vegetarians eat. Fries, chips, etc. I'm sure many veggies don't eat those things on a regular basis, but I'm also sure many do. bad logic.

[g-mile7]

i know thats what i have been trying to figure out.

oh, and i have a question for cosmo, since you work in a health store. do you know if coke (the drink!) is really that bad for your, because i have been drinking it for years and i havent noticed any side effects/


the thing I was trying to get an F'n answer from, from people who do pratice and know about it. Didnt get it, basically to me from what I have read and heard is either 3 things:

Morals/Ethics: its not right to kill animals and eat them for food, I guess the reason becasue as many vegans/veggies ahve said that I have been round is that its not a pretty sight how they raise and kill the animals (gutting, slitting the throat and lettign it bleed to death) or the fact that many "cute" animals are being killed for food, note I am not a supporter of killing animals for sport AT ALL (so there you are animal activist) I am higly against that but there is a diffrence between eating, its a basic primla urge instill into us either by god or program. The typical answer, I know, is that we are mor civilized then the animal kingdom, why should we revert back into are primal urges thus defeating evoultuion? The fact is that who we are, people been eating meat since the time of the bible before everyone decided to become PC bout shit.

Health: Some people need to eat just veggies for various reason such as heart/chlestrol and so forth, thus the reason they are vegans becasue they have to. For many though its becasue they either dont agree with how the meat is processed or how it introduces blood (becasue you cant cook it all out) from an animal that could make them sick, thus the whole Mad cow scarce. But the fact is there are many nutrients from MEat that veggies no matter what you say or what pills you be poppin cant replace. It is fact. Plus Veggies no matter how organic you say it is, still have some risk of contimants, after all the shit you eat was basically created from shit, if you understand any basic knowledge of how plants and food from mother earth grows (thus the adage that we never trully die for you could very well be eating a an apple that had a worm that ate parts of elvis, gross I know but bare with me)

Social: Also the fact that all of sudden it is the IN thing to do, these are the people I really dont respect, just being vegans or what not casue they are trying to rebel against the system or becasue they see that Pam Lee or Moby dont like meat. Frankly I really do feel that some, if not the majority, of the supposed crusaders for animals are really just doing it becasue they dont want to be conformist....which is exactlly what they are doing in the first place, conforming


So in other words, yes Cosmo or whoever is a vegan I know alot for someone who doesnt practice Veganism. I have done reports on both the food industry as meat and veggies and from what I have read (The Jungle the most famous of them all, The Pathlogical Protein, Food Fight, and The Demon in the Freezer which features a boy who was raised Vegan all his life untill he finally had his frist burger at camp which was dropped on the ground, thus making it a deadly having to have his intestines removed from his body, washed, and put back inside yikes) so if you think I dont know anything at all, from what it seemed like to the response I recieved, your wrong but I do not know as much as those who do, I am an outsider looking in. I really dont see the point of it, I really dont doesnt mean I dont respect it though, espically if the person is sincere about there choice


In the end Alice Walker said something that "the animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women created for men." (supirsed I knew that huh some of you?) which saids alot for the cause


so I hope that shows a little bit more info about the subject from someone who doesnt really think its all that benifical.

[g-mile7]

I actually agree with this. Heart disease can be caused by excess fat being consumed. Red meat is very fatty, but so are many things that vegans/vegetarians eat. Fries, chips, etc. I'm sure many veggies don't eat those things on a regular basis, but I'm also sure many do. bad logic.



it all comes down to this, just like with drinking and smoking weed, all those things can be bad in excess but in moderation the postives otuweigh the good if the person knows what the hell they are doing.

[QweenOfBoggle]

on another note, i wasn't trying to offend any of the veggies. i have somewhat of a tainted view though. The few vegans/vegetarians i have met have looked very sickly/weak. maybe just a coincidence, or maybe they just aren't meeting a daily balance of nutrients. i think it's great if someone can do it, but only if they can do it healthily. so yeah, good job to anyone who eats whatever; as long as you're healthy.

[wavin_goodbye]

what nutrients are inaccessible to vegans or vegetarians? some may be harder to find, but doesn't mean they're not there in non meat forms

[Nuzzolese]

Meat does not appeal to my taste. It's not even a big deal to me. Sometimes I forget that people actually eat meat and want it. I don't even look twice at it and never think about it unless I'm smelling some bacon or something that shit smells fantastic, can't help the way my olfactory sensors respond to bacon. I don't want it, don't think I need it to be healthy. Maybe if I was weight training or something and I was a man, yeah I'd eat meat because soy isn't good for a guy trying to build muscle. Anyway, since I stopped eating meat I haven't missed it and I feel fine.

[g-mile7]

on another note, i wasn't trying to offend any of the veggies. i have somewhat of a tainted view though. The few vegans/vegetarians i have met have looked very sickly/weak. maybe just a coincidence, or maybe they just aren't meeting a daily balance of nutrients. i think it's great if someone can do it, but only if they can do it healthily. so yeah, good job to anyone who eats whatever; as long as you're healthy.


I really dont think you'd offend anybody just by offering up an opinion which isnt bashing nobody. But I dont have a tainted view given the vegans/vegetarians I have met all seem like they doing well (ie I dont think Cosmo looks sickly/weak at all) but yes many might not meeting daily values so who knows what kind of damage might be going on inside. I just dont see the staggering diffrences made in overal imporvement of quality of life by not eating meat, I just don't.

[Nuzzolese]

on another note, i wasn't trying to offend any of the veggies. i have somewhat of a tainted view though. The few vegans/vegetarians i have met have looked very sickly/weak. maybe just a coincidence, or maybe they just aren't meeting a daily balance of nutrients. i think it's great if someone can do it, but only if they can do it healthily. so yeah, good job to anyone who eats whatever; as long as you're healthy.

I always looked sick and weak, even when I ate meat. You'd never guess that my diet had changed.

[g-mile7]

what nutrients are inaccessible to vegans or vegetarians? some may be harder to find, but doesn't mean they're not there in non meat forms


well true, but the amount of those nutrients is the key homie. JUst becasue it's there (protein for example) doesnt mean its not there, if not more, in meat. Also money wise, that choice of life I would believe is more taxing on the wallet for a supposed health gain that might not even be that much, or ethics that could easily be argued against

[g-mile7]

Meat does not appeal to my taste. It's not even a big deal to me. Sometimes I forget that people actually eat meat and want it. I don't even look twice at it and never think about it unless I'm smelling some bacon or something that shit smells fantastic, can't help the way my olfactory sensors respond to bacon. I don't want it, don't think I need it to be healthy. Maybe if I was weight training or something and I was a man, yeah I'd eat meat because soy isn't good for a guy trying to build muscle. Anyway, since I stopped eating meat I haven't missed it and I feel fine.


that is also another reason too...good point

[Nuzzolese]

that is also another reason too...good point

yet I eat soy-based products designed to taste like meat.

I think it's a psychological thing. I hate the thought of chewing muscle and swallowing blood and holding bone of an animal that had walked around. Plus the best imitation meat stuff is imitation of the fattiest meats, and the soy stuff is low fat. This is stuff like soy sausage, soy burgers, soy salami...

[g-mile7]

yet I eat soy-based products designed to taste like meat.

I think it's a psychological thing. I hate the thought of chewing muscle and swallowing blood and holding bone of an animal that had walked around. Plus the best imitation meat stuff is imitation of the fattiest meats, and the soy stuff is low fat. This is stuff like soy sausage, soy burgers, soy salami...



in the end it is your mind, hell I have eaten supposed veggie burgers before (chicken thats not reeally chicken) and it taste as good if not better as the actual. I even dated a girl who is now a vegan, and I would have gladly tired to cut my meat intake/try her beliefs ( she wanted any futre kids to be raised as such) just because it was here, so obvisouly Im not that strongly pro-meat, but I still will eat it at a cook out, Most of it is also culture, you think black people for example, and the sterotype which is some what true (I think I can say this since I am well you know) is meat eating people, it would look damn foolish for me to be at a cookout and not have some ribs, its how your raised and what is part of your culture/society

[Nuzzolese]

Being vegan would be a pain in the ass and a fiber train to dookieville. Vegetables have important nutrients in them... like complex and simple carbs, and fiber, and vitamins, and yes, even protein and some fat, but I need a lot more than a bunch of dumb vegetables to have energy and be healthy. I mean, sure I could live on salads. I'm sure concentration camp dudes would love to get their hands on some salad. Those dudes in The 'Nam who live on cockroaches, I'm sure they'd be like "yummy! Salad!"

[Nuzzolese]

Did you ever see the movie Ravenous? Ohhh it's a great film and I lurved it. It starts with Captain John Boyd (Guy Pearce) being rewarded for being a hero at the end of the Mexican-American war. The first part of his reward is a medal ("for cowardice above and beyond the call of duty") and the second part is a hearty steak banquet. The steak meal is some of the most well done editing (sound and picture) I've seen in a while, and one of the best arguments for becoming a vegetarian ever, period.

I remember the theatrical trailers for this movie, and I KNEW it was going to be good. As soon as I saw that blonde guy flexing every muscle in his body as he rages waist deep in a freezing mountain stream, I knew I wanted to see it.

It might be a metaphor for homosexuality (there are almost no women in the movie. The men feed off one another, a man gets stronger by eating another man. A man takes another man into his body and the feeling is euphoric, he becomes more powerful, virile, an ANIMAL, through this native legend of the Wendigo. The way I understood it, this could only be achieved by one man eating another man, no women were mentioned.)

Anyway, my point I was getting for bringing this up is in relation to vegetarians looking sickly. Two of the main characters played by Guy Pierce and Robert Carlyle have excellent unspoken charisma. They're both deliciously (har har) expressive and furtive, high cheek bones flushed and eyes dewy with fierce anticipation and adrenaline. That look to me it's hunger, they actually starved themselves to a certain extent as being in character and went on all meat diets... hell, it's a "hungry" look, like the eye of the tiger. You starve a man and he becomes lean and mean, either that or he dies. It's all about will and inspiration and the rest. This is why the leaner a person is, the more they appear volatile, like a raging ferret or something. I don't mean skinny I mean lean. I (attempt to) stay lean for such a purpose. It keeps the eye of the tiger on the loose and prowling around!

[zorra_chiflada]

i'm confused as to why we have to explain ourselves. since i have been a vegetarian for such a long time, can't you just understand that i have some pretty fucking good reasons for it?

why do you eat meat? why do you believe in god? why do you have political opinions you do?
no-one ever asks these things.

[Rancid_Beasties]

I wish I had the determination to be a vegetarian, I mean I know all the environmental, health, and economic consequences of eating meat, and I know as somebody who believes in positive change, I really should practice what I preach. But I dont know where I would start, or how I would get around the fact that my whole family are big meat eaters, like 6-7 nights a week.

And I could never be a vegan, because that would mean giving up beer :(

[Lindsey_1535]

People look at me weird when I say I don't eat meat. Then they tell me how much they love meat. And Im all "cool" (y)

[Rancid_Beasties]

People look at me weird when I say I don't eat meat. Then they tell me how much they love meat. And Im all "cool" (y)
But I dont even like meat that much, other than chicken.

[zorra_chiflada]

Then they tell me how much they love meat.

yeah, that's pretty comical when people do that. it's like "yeah, you're really tempting me. you have opened my eyes to the wonderful world of meat" :rolleyes:

[Lindsey_1535]

But I dont even like meat that much, other than chicken.

OK so then you would say " I'm not even a fan really, other then chicken" then I would be all "cool" (y)

[Rancid_Beasties]

OK so then you would say " I'm not even a fan really, other then chicken" then I would be all "cool" (y)
Then I would be like "cool"...then there would be a nervous silence...then I would go "so I heard you have a whale sized penis" :D

[Lindsey_1535]

You have to pay $5.78 to see it though. I need to pay the rent somehow. :(

[wavin_goodbye]

I wish I had the determination to be a vegetarian, I mean I know all the environmental, health, and economic consequences of eating meat, and I know as somebody who believes in positive change, I really should practice what I preach. But I dont know where I would start, or how I would get around the fact that my whole family are big meat eaters, like 6-7 nights a week.

And I could never be a vegan, because that would mean giving up beer :(

beer isn't vegan?

[Rancid_Beasties]

You have to pay $5.78 to see it though. I need to pay the rent somehow. :(
Heres $5.80, keep the change ;)

[Rancid_Beasties]

beer isn't vegan?
Not in the strict sense of the word, it has yeast or something which is alive, or was living, I dunno ask cosmo.

[zorra_chiflada]

Not in the strict sense of the word, it has yeast or something which is alive, or was living, I dunno ask cosmo.

it's filtered through fish guts, or scales or something.

[Lindsey_1535]

WHAT!!! what beer is this? fish? what? :confused:

[Rancid_Beasties]

it's filtered through fish guts, or scales or something.
I'm gonna pretend you didnt say that :(

[zorra_chiflada]

I'm gonna pretend you didnt say that :(

i don't know if it's all beer. i don't know the whole story either.

[Lindsey_1535]

I watched a show on making beer cause I do that and I didn't see ANY fish of any kind so I think were safe on the fish deal. I hope..

[Rancid_Beasties]

i don't know if it's all beer. i don't know the whole story either.
I am never drinking tasmanian beer again :(

[zorra_chiflada]

I am never drinking tasmanian beer again :(

well, i don't know if it's our beer either. it's brewed differently to a lot of beers.

[Rancid_Beasties]

Arghh stop putting disgusting thoughts into my head :(

I drank beer last night that tasted like fish guts, but it was cheap (y) (n)

[QweenOfBoggle]

I really dont think you'd offend anybody just by offering up an opinion which isnt bashing nobody. But I dont have a tainted view given the vegans/vegetarians I have met all seem like they doing well (ie I dont think Cosmo looks sickly/weak at all) .

well there was just alot of bashing in this thread, and my comment was not meant to be taken that way.
i don't think cosmo looks sick/weakly...but she's an exception. she works at a health food store and is so knowledgable about what she is doing. yay for well-informed people

[cosmo105]

you assholes saying i'm fat?

seriously though, there's not ONE reason that vegetarians/vegans choose to live that way. it varies from person to person. for me, part of it is health, but mostly my own moral convictions, and no, i'm not going to go into them.

yes, some vegans don't do it correctly and end up losing tons of muscle mass and becoming deficient in a lot of nutrients. but that's mostly the teenagers that just do it because they think it'll be a cool thing to brag about.

the real hardcore vegans that know what they're doing have nothing to worry about. it's not like vegans haven't been around for that long...my boss was vegan for a good 30 years of his life, but decided to start bodybuilding some, so he began eating dairy again. but he eats only organic, so that's a step better in that not only is the milk healthier, but the cows are guaranteed to be treated better during their lives.

it amazes me how some people get into such a fuss over OTHER PEOPLE being veggie. as if it's some horrible lifestyle that goes against all that is holy and right. most of us are harmless, you know.

i'm not vegan just because i love animals.

i'm vegan because i fucking hate plants.

[Humiliation]

you assholes saying i'm fat?

seriously though, there's not ONE reason that vegetarians/vegans choose to live that way. it varies from person to person. for me, part of it is health, but mostly my own moral convictions, and no, i'm not going to go into them.

yes, some vegans don't do it correctly and end up losing tons of muscle mass and becoming deficient in a lot of nutrients. but that's mostly the teenagers that just do it because they think it'll be a cool thing to brag about.

the real hardcore vegans that know what they're doing have nothing to worry about. it's not like vegans haven't been around for that long...my boss was vegan for a good 30 years of his life, but decided to start bodybuilding some, so he began eating dairy again. but he eats only organic, so that's a step better in that not only is the milk healthier, but the cows are guaranteed to be treated better during their lives.

it amazes me how some people get into such a fuss over OTHER PEOPLE being veggie. as if it's some horrible lifestyle that goes against all that is holy and right. most of us are harmless, you know.

i'm not vegan just because i love animals.

i'm vegan because i fucking hate plants.

I'll start off by saying that even hardcore vegans need to worry about vitamin b12. My dad is a vego and he has pernicious anaemia which is from lack of vitamin b12 and can be fatal.

OK i'm not vegetarian though i wish i could be sometimes but yeah. BEing vegetarian isn't necessarily healthier for you. Red meat is a rich source of iron and spinach needs to be taken with vitamin c to absorb the iron.

Other than what i said though supplements are by no means necessary for vegetarians. You can get all the nutrients you need from plants or legumes. You say they're all skinny, well you should see my dad, he's actually fatter after becoming a vegetarian.

[guerillaGardner]

I was veggie for a few years.

Now I'm not. Thats mostly coz of a weak will and sharing my life with a non veggie.

But really! What the hell is wrong with people making a moral and health choice about their own diet. Stop trying to tell people what to eat!

And don't come back with the argument that veggies try to tell us all what to eat! They don't! They are too busy defending their right to choose from people who see other points of view as an attack on their own.

[Medellia]

no there is colon cancer and heart disease according to cosmos

i sound 12 hahaha i didnt kno people can hear typed letters
once again i don't care if my food is organic or not besides we go to an awesome butchery for our meat and it is really amazing! without steriods
Noooo, cos said there is an increased risk. Not that it will definately happen.

As for "hearing" your typed words, learn to fucking comprehend what others are saying. Yes I can't actually hear you, but when someone says that you sound a certain way on a message board, they are refering to the tone of your reply. If you had the reading comprehension of a ten year old, you would understand that though.

And if the meat that you buy (sorry, YOUR MOM buys) isn't organic, and if you don't raised it and slaughter it yourself, how, oh wise one, do you know if it does or does not have steroids in it? Answer me that.

[FearandLoathing]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/Marcelle/20050615.gif

Y'know, if I could get this thing to actually show, instead of linking it, you'd understand why I posted it better.

[pshabi]

Well said.I eat meat, but I'll gladly back you and Zorra up here. I know the two of you don't force your beliefs down our throats, unlike a few posters in this thread trying to get the two of you to eat meat. Really fucking mature fellas.
Okay, what the fuck?

I keep reading Zorra, Cosmo, and now you say people are trying to force others to eat meat.

I'm still looking for the post that does that.

[g-mile7]

i'm confused as to why we have to explain ourselves. since i have been a vegetarian for such a long time, can't you just understand that i have some pretty fucking good reasons for it?

why do you eat meat? why do you believe in god? why do you have political opinions you do?
no-one ever asks these things.



Then don't explain yourself last time I checked though if someone really is passionate about their beliefs they would defned/explain it so other might want to try it out. You dont have to say shit bout the reason you are. I dont see why your tripping out bout it, not like anybody (least me) is attacking y'all vegan/veggie people

[cosmo105]

uh, the first two pages of this thread were full of people attacking vegetarianism.

and yes, i know about b12 deficiency. i take extra b12, among a number of other things. i get most of my nutrition from my diet because i really watch what i eat and have a very, very healthy diet...but i take the supplements that i need.

[Echewta]

From what I've read, we all use to get B12 from fresh water sources from the bacteria that lived in the water. This bacteria has been killed off from pollution.

I could be wrong, but I can read.

[hpdrifter]

I am a vegetarian. I didn't know I should be taking supplements. What's B12 deficiency?

[cosmo105]

vitamin B12 is lacking in most vegan and vegetarian diets. you can easily get a supplement for it. i take a good liquid B complex that's extra high in the B12. it really gives you energy and stamina without jitters.

vegans NEED to take at least a multivitamin. i remember once reading an article about a woman that was vegan for decades but never took any supplements and ended up losing her eyesight.

[Echewta]

If you are a vegan, you should be taking B12 or buying food that has it added. If you eat and drink dairy, you are ok.

[cosmo105]

word to his moms.

[hpdrifter]

I eat a far amount of dairy, I guess. Maybe I'll just start taking the B12. I took it for awhile a long time ago and it made my pee look like it had gone nuclear or something. Blindingly yellow. Weird.

[Echewta]

Just stop looking at your pee sicko.

[cosmo105]

wait wait. that means you weren't absorbing it. what kind of B12 were you taking? a tablet? you have to take something sublingual, whether it's a pillule that disolves under the tongue or a liquid you hold under the tongue. it's suggest you go with the latter - i take almost everything liquid, because it's the most readily absorbed.

[hpdrifter]

wait wait. that means you weren't absorbing it. what kind of B12 were you taking? a tablet? you have to take something sublingual, whether it's a pillule that disolves under the tongue or a liquid you hold under the tongue. it's suggest you go with the latter - i take almost everything liquid, because it's the most readily absorbed.

Huh. Yeah, I guess that must have been the problem. I was taking a capsule I got at the health food store. Is it common to have the liquid form at health food stores? I don't know whether or not they had it at the one I used to go to.

[cosmo105]

you should be able to find a good liquid one at a reputable health food store. if not, stop going there ;)

you can find a lot of great supplements on vegan essentials. (http://www.veganessentials.com/) they sell a good liquid b12. i just bought some shoes there that are (y)

[Qdrop]

the problem i have with vegans and vegetarians....

are the ones who try and state Ethical reason behind there actions...

as opposed to those who just don't like the taste of meat and the chemicals within (health).


the ethical reasoning behind veganism is so logically flawed.

[cosmo105]

how is it flawed?

i, personally, cannot stand the thought of eating something that was once alive in every sense that i am. something that felt pain when it was killed. i can't be the end of that line. i love animals and can't eat them. and as far as dairy and eggs go, well...aside from health reasons, the animals used for dairy and eggs eventually are killed for food purposes as well.

[wavin_goodbye]

If you are a vegan, you should be taking B12 or buying food that has it added. If you eat and drink dairy, you are ok.

is that a serious post.. :eek: - that must be a first.

thanks for the tip - I drink dairy so it's good to know that i'm getting it. i should ask my sis though. (she doesn't drink real milk)

[Qdrop]

how is it flawed? well...i should say "flawed" when they attempt to place it on anyone but themselves (or in a universal sense).
but it's still shakey, regardless.

i, personally, cannot stand the thought of eating something that was once alive in every sense that i am. no other animal on this planet is as mentally or emotionally complex as humans.

define "alive".

something that felt pain when it was killed. you mean, as in "nervous system" pain?
i believe it's been shown that some plants appear to have rudimentary nervous systems...that react to damaging stimuli.

i can't be the end of that line. i love animals and can't eat them. you don't love plants? why not? (i actually have a point in saying that. i'm not just being a wise-ass).

[cosmo105]

i do love plants too. but do i really have to explain how they're different from animals?

i would never try to put my views on someone else, and this is just how i feel, and i hold it as close to me as i would a religious belief. so i don't understand why anyone would prod and question it so much or try to tell me it's wrong.

[Qdrop]

i do love plants too. but do i really have to explain how they're different from animals? no, just explain why you love animals more then plants.

i would never try to put my views on someone else, and this is just how i feel, and i hold it as close to me as i would a religious belief. so i don't understand why anyone would prod and question it so much or try to tell me it's wrong.yeah...and in that sense....i wouldn't argue with you.
and i won't.

it's just the vegans that try to say that "thier" way is superior and ethically pure...and others should prescribe to thier ways....
i war against them....

[cosmo105]

i do too.

but you could say that about most Christians, too ;)

as far as loving animals more than plants...well, plants don't make that great pets. what do you want me to eat, lichen?

[Rock]

Hugging a plant isn't half as much fun as hugging a cat, dog, lamb, pig, fish, or chicken.

[Nuzzolese]

or a 1000 pound vibrator aka a horse

[Rock]

mmmmmm horse.

[Qdrop]

what do you want me to eat, lichen?

WELL IT'S A START!!

[cubsfirstplace]

oh, and i have a question for cosmo, since you work in a health store. do you know if coke (the drink!) is really that bad for your, because i have been drinking it for years and i havent noticed any side effects/

[cosmo105]

in a 12-ounce can of coke there are 155 calories. 155! that's so much! just an extra 45 calories a day over a year will make you gain 5 pounds. seriously, it's empty, sugary calories. the caffeine and sugar gets you on a high and as soon as you're off it you crash, really low. it's a terrible source of nutrition, and it rots your teeth. high fructose corn syrup is really awful for you as well. i know soda tastes good and all, but it's worse for you than you think. cut down on that stuff and start drinking water. lots and lots of water.

[cubsfirstplace]

well i have been drinking a lot of orange juice
but sometimes if i dont drink any coke for a while i start getting headaches

[cosmo105]

that's caffeine withdrawl.

juice is pretty much empty calories too, but some have some good phytonutrients in them. it's at least better than coke.

[cubsfirstplace]

the box says it has as much calcium as milk

[Freebasser]

the caffeine and sugar gets you on a high and as soon as you're off it you crash, really low.

You aren't kidding.

I used to drink cola by the litre and whenever I ran out I'd feel depressed until I got my grubby paws on another bottle. I switched to cranberry juice and OJ at Uni for a month and I felt much happier and more keen to get up early and get stuff done.

I'm back on the cola again though, because I'm a pussy, damnit! :mad:

[voltanapricot]

so how come you meateaters are always trying to push your beliefs on to me?
Yeah, there's this girl I know who is vegetarian, people used to do that to her. I felt bad for her, must have been a pain on the arse.

Then just as I was about to tuck into a beef sarnie she staarted being all "I don't get meateaters, don't you realise that blah blah blah".

That's where vegetarianism is fucking annoying. If I want to discuss ethics I will and I will be diplomatic about it, but when it's all in my face and there are such damning comments towards my own choices, it takes the piss.


The caffiene withdrawal thing: I get withdrawal symptoms every lent when I give up choccies and fizzy drinks. :o

[DrumSetMan]

no, just explain why you love animals more then plants.


it's just the vegans that try to say that "thier" way is superior and ethically pure...and others should prescribe to thier ways....
i war against them....


TRUE!!!!!!!!! totally true cosmos thinks i am gonna die b/c i am not vegan

[cosmo105]

no, you're going to die because you're stupid

[DrumSetMan]

You aren't kidding.

I used to drink cola by the litre and whenever I ran out I'd feel depressed until I got my grubby paws on another bottle. I switched to cranberry juice and OJ at Uni for a month and I felt much happier and more keen to get up early and get stuff done.

I'm back on the cola again though, because I'm a pussy, damnit! :mad:


lol

[zorra_chiflada]

oh god, this shit is still going on?

i was just waiting for qdrop to come in here and say how it "defies human nature" or some shit. i'm still waiting for him to call me "sanctimonious" again.
people always do this. what people don't understand, they fear.
i find it very interesting that everyone had an issue with "silly vegetarians pushing their views on everyone" but this thread is basically a bunch of idiots bashing vegetarians for no reason at all, and pushing their beliefs on to us. i mean, what the fuck? i don't know if this an american thing or what, but i'd like to know why there is such contempt for particular minorities.

[p-branez]

i get shit for it a lot. no one really gets it. i don't feel like explaining myself over and over.

i haven't eaten meant for 3.5 years.

except for when i got scallops and scallions mixed up :( that was embarrasing.

i now know that i really like scallions

[CrankItUp!]

You aren't kidding.

I used to drink cola by the litre and whenever I ran out I'd feel depressed until I got my grubby paws on another bottle. I switched to cranberry juice and OJ at Uni for a month and I felt much happier and more keen to get up early and get stuff done.

I'm back on the cola again though, because I'm a pussy, damnit! :mad:
Gotta get some Jolt Cola for a super buzz !

[zorra_chiflada]

Then don't explain yourself last time I checked though if someone really is passionate about their beliefs they would defned/explain it so other might want to try it out. You dont have to say shit bout the reason you are. I dont see why your tripping out bout it, not like anybody (least me) is attacking y'all vegan/veggie people

well, the whole purpose of this thread was to attack vegetarians, and everyone just chimed in! this is fucking insanity.

[CrankItUp!]

I have a friend who is one for like the past 5 years. She says that it takes conditioning and self discipline. Just like anything else when you start with a new diet.

[cosmo105]

except for when i got scallops and scallions mixed up :( that was embarrasing.

i now know that i really like scallions
heh i've passed up a meal before because it had scallions in it...before i realized what they were :o

last night i was served a beef burger when i had (clearly) ordered a Boca patty. i stared at it and Matt prodded it a bit with his fork and sniffed it - he said, "That's meat." the server apparently hadn't heard me...and he felt really bad. it happens. i was very gracious about it. i know that i can be a pain in the ass for others to have to accomodate, so i'm always really grateful and understanding about it.

[GreenEarthAl]

11.5 years of vegetarianism and counting.

Works for me.

There was a thing called a "Love Feast" at Opus. Someone put beef jerky in my mouth because I couldn't tell what it was by looking at it. I'm sure the look on my face must'a been priceless.

------

I prefer to eat plants vs. Animals because plants have square cells instead of round/amorphic cells. Everybody knows that square cells taste better.

I prefer to eat things that don't have brains, pain receptors and the like. I'm poor as fuck and I still find the means to eat healthy. Helps to have so many cooperative dinners and potlucks available locally I guess.

I prefer to eat food that conserves energy to produce. Rather than feed a conduit like a cow a gagillion gallons of water and 18 gagillion bushels of corn, I'd rather just have some corn and drink some water.

Media like Morgan Spurlock's Movie and Eric Shlosser's book tend to make me feel much better about being a vegetarian. Corporations like IBP and Conagra and McDonals will gladly ignore your health until it becomes a profit risk.

Word.

[cosmo105]

GEA spreading the knowledge as always :)

[Medellia]

oh god, this shit is still going on?

i was just waiting for qdrop to come in here and say how it "defies human nature" or some shit. i'm still waiting for him to call me "sanctimonious" again.
people always do this. what people don't understand, they fear.
i find it very interesting that everyone had an issue with "silly vegetarians pushing their views on everyone" but this thread is basically a bunch of idiots bashing vegetarians for no reason at all, and pushing their beliefs on to us. i mean, what the fuck? i don't know if this an american thing or what, but i'd like to know why there is such contempt for particular minorities.
:(
I feel for you guys. This thread is embarassing for those of us who do eat meat, but don't have anything against vegetarians and vegans. I know you gys aren't pushing your views on anyone else here. I hope some people here grow up and look back on this thread and learn from their stupidity. *hugs all the board veggies*

[zorra_chiflada]

:(
I feel for you guys. This thread is embarassing for those of us who do eat meat, but don't have anything against vegetarians and vegans. I know you gys aren't pushing your views on anyone else here. I hope some people here grow up and look back on this thread and learn from their stupidity. *hugs all the board veggies*

:)

[Documad]

Two of my older friends have been vegetarians for 30 years. These two women are old school, hippie types. They're both very healthy.

A lot of younger girls who do it aren't so healthy. My niece lived on salsa and chips and candy when she was a "vegetarian."

I'm not a vegetarian. I don't eat much meat, but I'm too lazy to give it up. Especially broth. I love soup and it's difficult to make good soup without animal broth. It's amazing to me how many things have hidden animal products.

Things are getting a little easier. My friends used to eat grilled cheese in every restaurant. We have lots of good veggie restaurants here now. And one of those old school women went to Chicago with me and we ate at a Spanish restaurant. We called ahead and they made some paella with vegetable broth just for her!

[Humiliation]

the problem i have with vegans and vegetarians....

are the ones who try and state Ethical reason behind there actions...

as opposed to those who just don't like the taste of meat and the chemicals within (health).


the ethical reasoning behind veganism is so logically flawed.
They just don't like the thought of that cute cow being killed for a meal on your plate. I have nothing against that and in some cases agree with it.

What i am seriously against is battery farming. It is a complete lack of animal rights

[Mcmac]

in other words... :p

[Matt]

I guess I'm not a vegetarian in the traditional sence. I don't eat red meat or chicken, but I'm sure the things I eat on a regular basis have animal products in them. I still eat cheese (though I drink soy milk), I like fish, and I'm fairly certian the beans at Taco Bell have pig lard in them. But I never liked the taste of red meat, and I'm saving tons of money not buying fast food.

[Humiliation]

the whole "i don't like it when vegetarians push their beliefs down my neck" bullshit is stupid. This thread was made to bash vegetarians. My parents are always bashed (not literally) for being vegos even by other family. I mean seriously how is it any of your business what they decide to do.

And i'm sure animals would feel mor pain than plants because they have a brain. It isn't perfect but they gotta eat something right?

[Humiliation]

vegatarians fuck up the world by not following th food chain. there fucking dum animals WHO GIVES A SHIT!!!!!!
THe food chain isn't a perfect set of rules we need to follow. We have the ablity to make our own choices. Plus the food chain is hardly effected because they're still plenty of meat eaters

[Matt]

the whole "i don't like it when vegetarians push their beliefs down my neck" bullshit is stupid. This thread was made to bash vegetarians. My parents are always bashed (not literally) for being vegos even by other family. I mean seriously how is it any of your business what they decide to do.

And i'm sure animals would feel mor pain than plants because they have a brain. It isn't perfect but they gotta eat something right?

I have a friend who thinks I'm trying to push vegetarianism on him. all I've done was let him borrow a Morrissey DVD (which had the film "Meet your Meat" on it), and told him I'd cook him a vegetarian dinner sometime. he gets angry at me whenever I bring it up. Its gotten to the point of humor, so when he says anything to me about being a vegetarian, I shoot back with a "At least I don't have blood on my hands, murderer" or some such. I'm not that militant, trust me.

[Matt]

ur not a man. ur a little pissweak girl who doesnt eat RED MEAT OR CHICKEN!!!!!!!!!!WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

do you like having colon cancer? does the tumor get in his way, or does he work around it?

[Medellia]

ur not a man. ur a little pissweak girl who doesnt eat RED MEAT OR CHICKEN!!!!!!!!!!WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU
Dude. Just shut up. Come on.

[Humiliation]

dude you obviously have no idea what you're even talking about. go to hell

[Matt]

dude you obviously have no idea what you're even talking about. go to hell

me or that new guy?

[Mcmac]

who do you tihnk? you, you non chicken eating faggot! but seriously how can u go without eating chicken? its sooo good.

[Matt]

who do you tihnk? you, you non chicken eating faggot! but seriously how can u go without eating chicken? its sooo good.

actually, its pretty fucking gross. especially when you find out how they make it. I won't bore you with the details, because I just don't care enough to go into it.

[Medellia]

who do you tihnk? you, you non chicken eating faggot! but seriously how can u go without eating chicken? its sooo good.
:rolleyes:

Chicken is the one thing keeping me from going veg. I've pretty much given up all red meat, except for the occasional scotch egg. Veggie burgers are just as tasty as beef, and turkey pepperoni is even better and less fattening than regular pepperoni. But chicken...god, so yummy. Hell, if I could go veggie I could probably go vegan fairly easily, because dairy usually makes me sick and (with the exception of the aforementioned scotch eggs) I don't like eggs. I could make that transition with relative ease, but I just can't give up chicken. *sigh*

[Matt]

Veggie burgers are just as tasty as beef,

damn straight. unless you're talking about Boca Burgers. taste like a fucking newspaper. but I had these soy burgers (can't remember what they're called, Smart something) that tasted soooo good, and they were low in fat and saturated fats, and they were very filling. I can only eat a half of one before I'm full.

[Medellia]

Boca, eww. Morningstar Farms all the way. (y)

[Mcmac]

:D ok rosie cotton! best chicken meal? CHICKEN SHNITTYS! (shnitzel or whatever) and chicken baritos!..the best! :D and maybe sum crispy strips from kfc too!