Fascism

[D_Raay]

http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1LBJOH7L7MQ6037G7Z8WKUBPD6

Video of the rave in Utah.

I'm speechless.

Account of an eyewitness:

Last night at 10:00 PM I arrived at a party in the Spanish Fork canyon. I was excited to be there to listen to the great electronic artists that had traveled for to play for the crowd.

Before coming to the event I researched it extensively. The party was %100 percent legal and legit with all permits and necessary security required by law being acquired. The event was well organized, with garbage cans, porta potties, and rope lines blocking off parts of the area that you could no go into.

Now I want you to know that many people out there consider ravers a bunch of drug taking freaks. I also want you to know that that is a stereotype that is passed down through legions of undereducated parents, politicians, and media. There are many of us who are drug free party goers who attend these events for a pure love of the music.

So on to my point. At around 11:00 I was enjoying the good vibes and great music. Then at about 11:30 pm a helicopter began circling the party. Out of nowhere huge semis filled with national guard, swat, and the police rolled up. Soldiers came out of the bushes and rushed down to the party. Carrying M-16s, Ak-47s, nightsticks, and tazers. They proceeded to attack random people and push their might around on people who had done nothing wrong.

I saw about 7 people attacked (before being forced to leave). I saw two of them right in front of me. One was a guy who was walking around with a camcorder stunned at what was happening. A soldier told him to give him the camera now. The raver said no it is my camera. The soldier then proceeded to grab the camera, throw it to the ground and then began beating the kid. In the end they threw him to the ground violently an put their knee into his back while handcuffing him. All for wanting to keep his property. When I last saw him he was knocked out and unmoving.

Another girl next to me said to one of the soldiers that she didn't know how to get home as they had just arrested her friend. The soldier told her to walk home. My friend tried to grab her to bring her with us, but the soldier began yelling that she had touched him (which she hadn't). WIthin seconds, five soldiers had jumped on her and were literally beating the crap out of this innocent women. She was punched in the face, thrown to the ground, and kicked while down. All for worrying how to get home safely. She is now suing.

The soldiers proceeded to attack anyone with cameras or camcorders, obviously wanting to restrict the film that got out about it. This was not a legal attack, it was a blatant violation on our rights as American citizens. And the swat, police, politicians who authorized this, and the national guard knew this. That is why they were removing potential evidence.

We were treated as terrorists, innocent kids without weapons or even violent thoughts in their minds were manhandled, treated like terrorists, and forced to stop doing what we were by constitutional rights allowed to be doing. Our rights were completely removed from us. It was if we had visited the 1960s or communist China.

I hope for the sake of the American people that the news media does not let the lies of the government blind them to what truly happened last night. This could happen anywhere to anyone not just ravers, so AMERICA DON'T LET THIS STAND!
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and another:

The Following is an Account of the Actions of the Night of August 20th 2005.

I arrived at the location for an outdoor electronic music event, at around 9:25 p.m. The First thing I noticed was the structure, and the layout of the site was very well organized. Markers were placed to prevent people from wandering off the designated paths. Wastebaskets and Trash recepticles were numerous. I was assured that the promoters had obtained 100% Legal Access to the land. All in all I was looking forward to a fun night with my friends, listening to music. I consider it like any other event ive gone to (Rock Concerts, Rap Concerts, etc.) The mood was festive, people were dancing and I could even smell the meat cooking from a grill.

At Around 11:39 p.m. I noticed a bright light in the sky to the North East, which I quickly realized was a Helicopter Search light, and I saw it circling over head. I assumed that the Helicopter was only there to scout us, make sure we weren't doing anything wrong, so I quickly dismissed it. However, it made 2 more passes and got substantially lower to the ground each time. At this time I heard a Woman next to me say "The Police Are Here, Everyone Has to Leave" Lots of people were disappointed, but noone was: rioting, fighting, or being insubordinate. People merely began to file towards their cars. At this time I actually got a look at my surroundings. Dozens of Men in Full Camo, Kevlar Vests, Gas Masks MP5 Navy's AUG's and many other fire-arms. Attack Dogs, were barking somewhere ahead of me. Suddenly I saw the sight that disgusted me. A person whom I had met before was on the ground face first, 4 Reservists had their guns pointed to his head, and were handcuffing him. Their attack dog was mauling his: Shoulder, Neck and Torso areas. I was quickly shuffled along but was very disgusted. I had attempted to record the man on the ground with my Camera-Phone, but a soldier approached me and took my phone and said "move Along" I still have not recovered it.
I also was witness to the blunt beatings using shoulder rests of weapons. My friend Katie Mercer was hit in the side of the head with an MP5 because a soldier took her camera, and she was trying to recover it from him. I was witness to numerous people being held at gunpoint, people being handcuffed, Attack Dogs, Guns, Malice, Hatred.

This blatant over-use of force is not only un-moral, it is also ILLEGAL. At no time during the night did I see any person with:

-Firearms
-Knives
-Fireworks
-Drugs

While it may be true that some individuals choose to take drugs at said events like this, Myself as well as many others choose to go for the music. Just like anything, you have bad apples, but you shouldn't cut down the tree.
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[Funkaloyd]

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2964938

Jesus Christ. Don't expect the police to own up to anything.

[Pres Zount]

Was Hitler at this rave? I don't get it.

[Rancid_Beasties]

Thats bloody attrocious. It was especially dodgy that they decided to wait until the festival was on before they alerted the organisers that they were missing one pointless permit. And that shit about arresting the security guards because they confiscated drugs? What the fuck is that? Surely they should be commended not jailed!

[Qdrop]

power corrupts fully and without prejudice.


fascist fuckin police...

[D_Raay]

You know, on another forum a poster brought up that this may be a sign of things to come. The possibility of it being sort of trial run for other things seems remote, but then again it doesn't.

[Qdrop]

i must say though...
having some years of experiance in the rave/DJ scene....
the point that the one guy made about these events not always being about drugs....and how many people come to such events for the music... is kinda bullshit.

i mean, i used to go for the music and usually stay sober...
but those events are primarily drug driven and complete drug havens.
i'm just being generic or talkin out my ass, here.

in my experiance...a large % of the "ravers" got into the scene for the drugs and partying....not for the love of electronic music...though that may have evolved over time.

[yeahwho]

I could've of told you a rave in Utah would get busted.

The more interesting thing is they still have raves.

But then again, did you see SLC Punk? They should of called it SLC poser.

[maddoctorx]

i must say though...
having some years of experiance in the rave/DJ scene....
the point that the one guy made about these events not always being about drugs....and how many people come to such events for the music... is kinda bullshit.

i mean, i used to go for the music and usually stay sober...
but those events are primarily drug driven and complete drug havens.
i'm just being generic or talkin out my ass, here.

in my experiance...a large % of the "ravers" got into the scene for the drugs and partying....not for the love of electronic music...though that may have evolved over time.

This is just like in the sixties. The government is using drugs to legislate against forms of culture it doesn't approve of. The problem with this is that drugs are prevalent in all walks of life and in all subcultures, hip hop shows, rock shows, sporting events, office life, government, among corporate CEO's and not to mention the entire fast food industry.
Busting up all raves and making it impossible to gather does not eliminate the drug problem at all. The only difference between a rave and any other event is the drug addicts of that scene use different drugs then other scenes. They tend to use more ecstasy and acid where as in other scenes cocaine and other equally harmful drugs are abused. So the question is raised should all forms of gatherings and culture be banned because drug addicts may abuse drugs there. That would be impossible. It would destroy our consumer based economy. So instead the government is going after select groups of people and culture it feels threatened by. All though in the long run this does nothing for helping against the damages of drug addiction. It simple gives more powers to our government to control and regulate our movements. Lets say they effectively made it impossible to go to any event where electronic music is playing what do you think would happen to the drug addicts that currently attend. Do you think their drug problem would magically go away or that they would be unable to find ways to abuse drugs. Do you think those that start using drugs at raves couldn't be exposed to drugs in thousands of others situations. It is widely understood by the medical community that addiction is largely herditory and that those that inherit its curse have a predisposed physiological condition to want to use drugs or anything else to alleviate inner turmoil from birth. This addiction can manifest it self in the form of drug abuse, gambling abuse, sex addiction and many other forms of socially troubling problems. During the entire drug war the availability of drugs has never gone away. Completely wiping out one venue or cultural medium just pushes the problem into other places and other walks of life. We should be investing our money in treatment centers, and reaching out to addicts and start treating this problem as a disease not a crime. Not using it as our standard by which we justify repression of culture and civil rights for the sake of some abstract greater good. When a person goes out to any event rave or other wise they have to make a choice on what there going to do , and how there going to act and they should be help responsible for there own personal actions. Going after a promoter who did everything in his power to get the proper permits, searched cars and confiscated drugs and weapons seems to be not an act of morality but of intimidation. Remember not all ravers are drug addicts, not all drug addicts are ravers, not all people who enjoy electronic music even like the term raver, and those that are raver drug addicts should be treated with compassion and a opportunity to seek treatment, not being treated as second class citizens. I'm going to end on two of my favorite quotes the first I do not know the author the second is Nietche.
"The path to hell is paved with good intentions."
"Battle not with monsters least you become a monster, and when you stare into the abyss remember the abyss also stares into you." Nietche

[Pres Zount]

I'm going to end on two of my favorite quotes the first I do not know the author the second is Nietche.
"The path to hell is paved with good intentions."
"Battle not with monsters least you become a monster, and when you stare into the abyss remember the abyss also stares into you." Nietche
The first one is Lenin, lol

[maddoctorx]

The communist or the Beatle?

[Medellia]

The communist or the Beatle?
My guess is that it's from the former since the latter's last name is spelled L-e-n-n-o-n. But then that's just a guess. :rolleyes:

[Ali]

in my experiance...a large % of the "ravers" got into the scene for the drugs and partying.....Mine, too. 99% of ravers are whacked on some thing or other, it's a well known fact. A Rave wouldn't be a Rve if everybody weren't raving.

Still not a reason for using such force, though, is it?

If the cops really wanted it to be a drug free party, they would have stopped and searched people as they went in, or set up road blocks on the way to the party, weeded out the Dealers and Takers and let the party carry on.

Why they had to let it all start and then wade in there, armed to the teeth, tells me that they were wanting to send everybody a message: This is how we deal with a bunch of kids at a party, imagine how we deal with Protesters.

Police State, resistance is futile.

[Qdrop]

Why they had to let it all start and then wade in there, armed to the teeth, tells me that they were wanting to send everybody a message: This is how we deal with a bunch of kids at a party, imagine how we deal with Protesters.

Police State, resistance is futile.

(y)



that video is fuckin surreal, man.

wow.

[bb_bboy]

You know, on another forum a poster brought up that this may be a sign of things to come. The possibility of it being sort of trial run for other things seems remote, but then again it doesn't.

Even if the possibility is remote, the course taken that allows this to happen unabated only establishes a precedent of acceptance to be drawn upon by similar actions taken in the future - whether they are currently planned for or not.

[D_Raay]

Even if the possibility is remote, the course taken that allows this to happen unabated only establishes a precedent of acceptance to be drawn upon by similar actions taken in the future - whether they are currently planned for or not.
Yes, you are quite right...

[Ali]

Even if the possibility is remote, the course taken that allows this to happen unabated only establishes a precedent of acceptance to be drawn upon by similar actions taken in the future - whether they are currently planned for or not.Not much anyone can do about it, though... is there? The chief of Police said that the violence on the video was justified because the drug-crazed kids 'resisted arrest'.

Who's the judge going to believe? Some drug-addled Raver or a Policeman?

[bb_bboy]

Not much anyone can do about it, though... is there? The chief of Police said that the violence on the video was justified because the drug-crazed kids 'resisted arrest'.

Who's the judge going to believe? Some drug-addled Raver or a Policeman?

Unfortunately, because of the stereotype associated with that event (the rave), the people there lose credibilty, just by association. Or it might be more correct to say that people can be made to beleive that their credibility is questionable. I guess its the same difference.

One problem with the video is that you never get to see what each raver "did," if anything, before they were restrained/beaten/etc. The camera suddenly turns and here and there is a raver surrounded by five or six police, which appears excessive in itself. I could never really see the initial "take-down," so I can't really correlate what kind of response was used with what type of stimulus.

[Ali]

Unfortunately, because of the stereotype associated with that event (the rave), the people there lose credibilty, just by association. as do Protestors... do you see where this is headed?