Airlift Suspended

[racer5.0stang]

Article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/)

As if the situations in New Orleans wasn't bad enough, people are shooting at military aircraft.

There was an article that stated that someone had stolen the generators that were powering a hospital.

What is wrong with these people who are stealing?

[D_Raay]

Article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/)

As if the situations in New Orleans wasn't bad enough, people are shooting at military aircraft.

There was an article that stated that someone had stolen the generators that were powering a hospital.

What is wrong with these people who are stealing?
See how important possessing things is? Such good consumers who steal and pillage yet have no where to bring their booty to.

Ok there's my pessimistic view.

The destruction down there is incredible, and people are struggling for ways to survive. They expect their government , local and federal, to help them. The article says they were picking people up of rooftops and taking them out of the Superdome and then just dropping them off back in the city. That doesn't help very much.

So Bush, who cut emergency disaster funding to New Orleans to filter more money to Iraq, now is asking Daddy and Clinton to help raise money similar to what they did after the Tsunami. How terribly pious of him. 10,000 guardsmen from other states are being flown in to help. The reason for this is that the guardsmen who would normally be there are in Iraq.

You know, maybe it's just coincidence but, anyone else wondering why we have had two of the biggest disasters in modern history in the last 2 years?
I wouldn't want to get Q riled up so I won't say it.

[Echewta]

Depends on how you look at the disasters I would think.

[Schmeltz]

Try this, Norcen. (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313)


Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

[Qdrop]

You know, maybe it's just coincidence but, anyone else wondering why we have had two of the biggest disasters in modern history in the last 2 years?
I wouldn't want to get Q riled up so I won't say it.

I'M WATCHING YOU, D!

[Qdrop]

i actually remember listening to AirAmerica...almost a year ago.

they actually had a guy on talking about how New Orleans was a catastrophe waiting to happen...that the first big hurricane was going to level the city and cause massive flooding....he went on and on.

i got the impression that most of the people (and listeners such as myself) thought he just another eco-greeny-doomsayer....and kinda dismissed him.


fuckin A.

everything he said came true.

[D_Raay]

Priceless...

[D_Raay]

Try this, Norcen. (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313)
Thank you schmeltz. I could give you more norcen , if you'd like.

[D_Raay]

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/006681.html#006681

Yahoo News photos
Posted by Teresa at 08:09 PM * 177 comments

Jim Macdonald started it. He said, in AIM:

White people find things (http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/photos_ts_afp/050830071810_shxwaoma_photo1) , Black people loot things (http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/480/ladm10208301530)

[Vladimir]

That would be the liberal media, always twisting things to fit its racist agenda... :rolleyes:

[YoungRemy]

no, that would be the AP versus the AFP report of this situation.


the afp is the french agency that reported the first picture.

it has nothing to do with your conspiracy theory...
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In recent days, a number of readers of Yahoo! News have commented on differences in the language in two Hurricane Katrina-related photo captions (from two news services). Click on the photos below to read the captions:

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[Laver1969]

I don't know if this is the right place. But I want to put a heart-warming good news personal story.

I have family that evacuated to Southwest Arkansas last Saturday. They have been staying in a small hotel. The local community has really welcomed them offering various gift certificates to local restaurants and Wal-Mart. The local church invited everyone for a nice dinner where they gave some toys and clothes for kids.

There are some good people out there.

[Bob]

Not true!

oh, well, that settles that

[racer5.0stang]

I don't know if this is the right place. But I want to put a heart-warming good news personal story.

I have family that evacuated to Southwest Arkansas last Saturday. They have been staying in a small hotel. The local community has really welcomed them offering various gift certificates to local restaurants and Wal-Mart. The local church invited everyone for a nice dinner where they gave some toys and clothes for kids.

There are some good people out there.

Funny how stuff like this doesn't make the news. :rolleyes:

[racer5.0stang]

oh, well, that settles that


Pretty much ironclad.

[QueenAdrock]

Actually, I heard on the news that 1.2 million dollars has already been donated to the Red Cross.

I'd donate cash, but it's tuition and books time, and I don't have the extra funds. I'm thinking of donating blood, if they need it. My brother says that ASRC (Appalachian Search and Rescue) has been called up, so he might go down there. He's in charge of PVRG (Potomac Valley Rescue Group), which is the ASRC's branch at UMD. I don't know how he'd deal with dead bodies, but I'm all for him going down there and finding missing people and helping people out of their houses and such.

The way things are going, it's looking like they need all the help they can get.

[Vladimir]

it has nothing to do with your conspiracy theory...


...I was kidding. Damn the internet, it killed tone of voice! I actually saw that AP/AFP issue but I wasn't entirely sure what the AFP was so I figured some crafty sleuth like yourself would check it out. This is all part of my plan :p

[QueenAdrock]

if i was down there, i'd shoot the looters, and steal their plasma TV's. that'll show 'em for being greedy. :mad:

[racer5.0stang]

if i was down there, i'd shoot the looters, and steal their plasma TV's. that'll show 'em for being greedy. :mad:

It just seems pretty ignorant that people are doing this. The police efforts have been directed from rescue to stopping looters.

Where are the looters taking all this stuff anyways?

[QueenAdrock]

Actually, I heard someone commenting on how the looters can't get anything out of the city because it's too big and/or they can't get through all the water.

I wonder if police will start arresting people. I mean, it's kind of cute in a way. Like if a little kid snuck into the cookie jar and had no idea he was allergic to peanuts. I think it might be punishment enough for them to wade through sewage water with these big heavy packages just to find out they don't have electricity.

[racer5.0stang]

to wade through sewage water .

I just thought about something, Where are these people using the bathroom at?

[QueenAdrock]

The same place New Orleans has always used as a bathroom: the streets.

[racer5.0stang]

The same place New Orleans has always used as a bathroom: the streets.


Well at least they won't have any pride issues.

[D_Raay]

They are all wading around in sewage anyway, now they can have something in common with Sisko. They can just shit whilst they walk.

[D_Raay]

Not true!
Matter of fact, it IS true... I have zero love for Bush or his cronies and go out of my way to expose them,but this is just simple truth. Why do you think in that lame article you posted earlier the author goes out of his way to say it would have been worse if terrorists had attacked? Shift blame back to the terrorists because he knows full well cutting their funding was a big mistake.

[Medellia]

if i was down there, i'd shoot the looters, and steal their plasma TV's. that'll show 'em for being greedy. :mad:
I hate to admit it, because I abhor stealing, but I chuckled a bit while watching the footage of people looting a Wal-Mart.

[QueenAdrock]

Pfft, Walmart? Yeah, cuz if there's one thing you should go for when you're on a looting spree, it's those 5-for-$10 DVDs of Ernest Gets a Hernia from 1984.

[Medellia]

^Hahaha! :D

Too bad they were out of "Ernest has Hemroids". The tagline was "It looks like a bunch of grapes hanging from his bottom!" (y)













:p

[QueenAdrock]

Quality family programming. (y)

[enree erzweglle]

Having a fuckin' heart. They shouldn't steal generators, but that gives no one the right to shoot the thieves dead.
(y) thanks for saying that.

[Medellia]

Having a fuckin' heart. They shouldn't steal generators, but that gives no one the right to shoot the thieves dead. You're not a very compassionate person.
Exactly. I'm not too keen on them shooting anyone, but if they have to stick with the people that are shooting back. Don't kill the people with an armful of clothes.

[Medellia]

You are missing the point!! The stealing of generators cause the innocent to die. Those who do that should be shot!! This is marsall law!
Weren't the generators already down by the time the lootings started? I mean really started, not the people stealing food to survive. I thought that some of the generators were flooded with water while others ran out of fuel.

[ms.peachy]

Where are the looters taking all this stuff anyways?
BECAUSE THEY ARE DESPERATE AND WITHOUT HOPE.

It's not rocket science.

In this extreme situation, people will hoard whatever they can in the vague belief that it may be of some help to them. Grab what you can carry and walk away, you may need to barter with it later. Goods become currency.

It may not be 'morally right', and hell yes it is opportunistic, but it's not like it's a mystery or anything.

[racer5.0stang]

BECAUSE THEY ARE DESPERATE AND WITHOUT HOPE.

It's not rocket science.

In this extreme situation, people will hoard whatever they can in the vague belief that it may be of some help to them. Grab what you can carry and walk away, you may need to barter with it later. Goods become currency.

It may not be 'morally right', and hell yes it is opportunistic, but it's not like it's a mystery or anything.

What good is a t.v. gonna do you if you don't have any electricity or a house for that matter to put it in?

Why not spend your time helping others instead of stealing whatever you can get your hands on. Granted it is not everyone that is doing this, only a small percentage, but MATERIAL things should not be at the top of their priority list.

If they are gonna steal things, why not steal food, water ect. and give those out?

[ChrisLove]

Those people should be shot on the spot. If you loot in order to get food to feed your family, it is okay. If you loot to steel for profit, you should be shot.


Is this your official position as a serving police officer? How many theives have you shot?

[D_Raay]

You are missing the point!! The stealing of generators cause the innocent to die. Those who do that should be shot!! This is marsall law!
Marsall* (http://www.hungarianbookfoundation.hu/Html/poetry/99_Laszlo_Marsall.htm)
would not condone such behaviour at all.

[Funkaloyd]

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2005/8/30/192236/013/241#241

[Medellia]

If they are gonna steal things, why not steal food, water ect. and give those out?
Isn't the shoot-to-kill order for ALL looters? Including the ones stealing necessary items?

[QueenAdrock]

Everyone stop your bitching and donate at least $5 to the Red Cross.

I just went on vacation, and have tuition and books to pay for, but I still scrounged up $10 and plan to give blood tomorrow. $5 will buy a case of water, which they need badly.

Go do it now (www.redcross.org).

[ms.peachy]

What good is a t.v. gonna do you if you don't have any electricity or a house for that matter to put it in?

Why not spend your time helping others instead of stealing whatever you can get your hands on. Granted it is not everyone that is doing this, only a small percentage, but MATERIAL things should not be at the top of their priority list.

If they are gonna steal things, why not steal food, water ect. and give those out?
I am going to type this very slowly, so you can keep up.

In a situation this desperate, people take absolutely whatever they can get their hands on. Because you just don't know if it might be 'useful' in the future or not. You aren't shopping around going Hmm, what shall I take? You take whatever is right in front of you that you can walk away with, because - as I have already said, if you'd paid attention - that goods become the currency you barter with, and may be so for the forseeable future. You have nothing else. You have no insurance, no job to go back to, nothing except what you can get your hands on right now. You have no idea when you are going to have an income again, so that TV might not be of use to you in the next day, but maybe next week you can sell it/trade it for something else. You steal it because something is better than nothing.

[Medellia]

Black or white, if you or your family is starving in NO, I would not hold it against you if you stole some food.
*sigh*
Isn't the shoot-to-kill order for ALL looters? Including the ones stealing necessary items?
White or Black, if you steal a generator from people who need it to survive, you should be shot. If you steal a plasma tv (in this situation) you should be shot.
*sigh* again
Weren't the generators already down by the time the lootings started? I mean really started, not the people stealing food to survive. I thought that some of the generators were flooded with water while others ran out of fuel.

Let's review: everyone who steals, whether it's clothing, food, or electronics, whether they need it or not seems to be getting shot. And unless someone can provide a REPUTABLE link proving otherwise, I believe that the generators were down before they were taken.

[infidel]

Don't you think people would thing twice about stealing if some thievs were shot? Would you think twice about writing bigoted sub 4th grade posts if we cut your fingers off?

My theory on why humanity has gone to hell in NO with people shooting at rescuers and looting non survival items is that they are drug addicts who didn't have it together to evacuate. Their supply is cut off and the they are going bonkers with withdraws. Not only that but most are conditioned to steal for a fix, the way things are right now is to much to resist.

[Medellia]

My theory on why humanity has gone to hell in NO with people shooting at rescuers and looting non survival items is that they are drug addicts who didn't have it together to evacuate. Their supply is cut off and the they are going bonkers with withdraws. Not only that but most are conditioned to steal for a fix, the way things are right now is to much to resist.
Erm, I suppose there are some people like that still there, but I think Peachy's assessment is spot on.

And most people are there because they were too poor to afford a vehicle, which means they have no way to leave. Also there were many people there who were too sick or old to leave. That's why you are seeing so many elderly people in the footage.

[STANKY808]

Well apparently the director of FEMA thinks it's their own damn fault!

Michael Brown also agreed with other public officials that the death toll in the city could reach into the thousands.

"Unfortunately, that's going to be attributable a lot to people who did not heed the advance warnings," Brown told CNN.

"I don't make judgments about why people chose not to leave but, you know, there was a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans," he said.

[Monsieur Decuts]

Well apparently the director of FEMA thinks it's their own damn fault!

Michael Brown also agreed with other public officials that the death toll in the city could reach into the thousands.

"Unfortunately, that's going to be attributable a lot to people who did not heed the advance warnings," Brown told CNN.

"I don't make judgments about why people chose not to leave but, you know, there was a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans," he said.

it probably would have been too communist to help those who needed help evacuating

[D_Raay]

I am going to type this very slowly, so you can keep up.

In a situation this desperate, people take absolutely whatever they can get their hands on. Because you just don't know if it might be 'useful' in the future or not. You aren't shopping around going Hmm, what shall I take? You take whatever is right in front of you that you can walk away with, because - as I have already said, if you'd paid attention - that goods become the currency you barter with, and may be so for the forseeable future. You have nothing else. You have no insurance, no job to go back to, nothing except what you can get your hands on right now. You have no idea when you are going to have an income again, so that TV might not be of use to you in the next day, but maybe next week you can sell it/trade it for something else. You steal it because something is better than nothing.
Thank you peachy :D , hopefully it sinks in even for sisko.

[zorra_chiflada]

Thank you peachy :D , hopefully it sinks in even for sisko.

oh it won't.
he just wants to shoot black people.

[ChrisLove]

I can't wait for the day when I recite the line "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of al Qaeda" in the Pledge (which is a disgusting thing in itself). Patriotism makes me sick.


(y) (y)

[QueenAdrock]

Just like a liberal, give an extreme situation that is not probable.


Yeah, just like that time all the liberal scientists said that a potential disaster in New Orleans (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/outlook/3338558) would most likely happen?