Kanye West Destroys Bush in NBC telethon

[DJ_Skrilla]

Actor Kanye West Ruins NBC Relief Show, declares "George Bush doesn't care about black people."

During a nationally televised Hurricane Katrina relief show, actor/rapper Kayne West showed the world what he was made of as he went on a tirade against George W. Bush.

"George Bush doesn't care about black people," West said. "They're saying black families are looting and white families are just looking for food...they're giving the (Army) permission to shoot us"

NBC attempted to cut off the out-of-line remarks by cutting to a shot of actor Chris Tucker, but by then, the damage had already been done.

http://www.zebrality.com/media/2005/kanye.avi

[Mcmac]

actor?

[D_Raay]

Hehe, Mike Myers looks flabbergasted after he makes the remark about Bush.

[Medellia]

Kanye sounded a bit dumb, but I chalk that up to being so emotionally overwhelmed. But yeah...that was ballsy.

[Monsieur Decuts]

bum rush the show!

[adam_f]

Deion Sanders is asking professional athletes to donate 1000 dollars to the relief effort. I hate the guy, but that's besides the point.

[EN[i]GMA]

I don't think it was really that astounding a comment.

I honestly think Kanye doesn't know what he's talking about.

I seriously doubt G.W. 'hates black people', as he had 2 of them in his cabinet at one point...

[Qdrop]

yeah, i saw this live too....

i think it's pretty low that he would blame a federal/FEMA failure on racism....
that's pretty expliotative, it seems.....

but yet, one must wonder....if this happened in Orange County California....would the federal reaction have been the same?

msnbc wisely has not account of it on thier website...

here's foxnew's take:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168387,00.html

[Medellia]

here's foxnew's take:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168387,00.html
Hmm, I'm impressed. Pretty straightforward reporting from Fox.

[enree erzweglle]

Hmm, I'm impressed. Pretty straightforward reporting from Fox.
I inadvertently tuned to fox last night when I hit the up arrow instead of the down arrow to change channels. :o I watched for a few minutes. It was emotional reporting (someone named Sheppard maybe?) who was pissed that residents who COULD walk out of the New Orleans were being prevented from doing so--the only highway out, he said, was configured with a checkpoint and people at it were being forced to turn back. He was clearly, clearly irritated. (I don't know if this is how he always is, though. That was the first time I'd ever heard of him.)

And then Giraldo came on and held up a 10-month old crying, sweaty baby and told us to take a look at the face of the hurricane or something dramatic like that.

Then Hannity or Colmes came on and I switched the channel. :D

[QueenAdrock]

He is not very smart. i think he said that if he were in their situation, he would have to steal a plasma tv aswell.

I didn't hear anything about him saying he'd loot. Care to post up a link, as opposed to talking out of your ass?


P.S. Though it may not be extremely true, I thought it was funny. Didn't anyone else go "OH SNAP" and then giggle? I sure did. :D

[ToucanSpam]

He sounded like an idiot.

He definately has balls though for attempting to say stuff like that. He seemed so flustered just trying to speak, I think Medellia was right in saying he was overwhelmed. Overall I think it was a stupid idea, but hey, it got some stuff out in the open.

[cj hood]

did they ask him about the beasties being abducted by sasquatch?

[Odie]

Chris Tucker's face at the end is priceless

(He's is right tho')

[YoungRemy]

fuck Kanye, he has black people shooting black people at his own parties!

great point!!!

the only thing Kanye destroyed is his credibility with the American Public.
this is a guy who encourages young black Americans not to go to college...

[Rupert78]

OK Kanye was a little emotional but do you honestly believe the aid being supplied to the people in New Orleans would've been delayed just as long if it were going to rich oil executives?

I don't really think George Bush is a racist but he was given warnings that the Levvis in New Orleans would burst three months before Katrina hit and he ignored them, that sounds like a pretty bad political decision to me. He's also promised to send 17,000 more troops to New Orleans, that would be good if these troops were currently stationed in Iraq half the world away. The USA is the richest and most powerful country in the world but its not using its resources wisely, if the USA hadn't gone to war then they'd have pleanty of resources to end this crisis far more quickly. Even if you believe the war was the right way to combat terrorism don't you think after the war was won the Iraqi Interior should've been kept so as to control the insurgents and phase out those in the interior who were bad, rather than get rid of the whole thing meaning Iraq would have no security so terrorists would enter easily and start causing havoc. That too was a bad political decision by the Bush whitehouse which is now costing the lives of brave US servicemen as they fight the insurgents in what has the potential to become America's next Vietnam.

[K-nowledge]

I thought he brought up some good points like the National guard being in Iraq and the ones coming down getting the "shoot-to-kill" order and some other thing, but I don't think this is just a race thing, but more of a class thing.

There are 400,000 troops in the National Guard. 90,000 are in Iraq.

a class thing?
During times like this we are supposed to unite. Idiodic comments like what Kanye said do the exact opposite.

[adam_f]

I said this in another thread, but I'll say it here too. Was it looting in the 70's when black people and white people and hispanic people and asian people ran rampant across New York City during the blackouts? Yes. No matter what your race, looting is looting, even if it means survival. In this case, perhaps looting is necessary. But it's not a sign of a racist president.

[BionicEye]

i don't really know if he is racist or if they really did fuck up, but it will be remembered this way.

[Vladimir]

this link doesn't require a login (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html)

Look, his comments probably would have come off a little more coherent had it been pre-prepared, but he clearly was being honest about how he felt instead of spitting some pre-scripted fence-riding bullshit. I mean, he took an admittedly sensationalist and perhaps somewhat uninformed stance, but I've got to give him huge credit for having the balls to basically give a big middle finger to GWB. That said, I think it's pretty ridiculous to say that the reason aid is slow is because the officials are racist. More likely because they are incompetent. And Chris Tucker's face is rich.

[BroomHead]

GMA']I seriously doubt G.W. 'hates black people', as he had 2 of them in his cabinet at one point...

LMAO. Shit, that actually does the trick for some people? Have you heard the term Uncle Tom before? See, that seems to be the only effort G. Bush is putting into this equality thing. Don't be fooled by it.

But seriously, have you ever heard "American Way" by Nas?

[K-nowledge]

Unkle Tom. What a crack up. A black person make thier way to a high ranking position and they're an Uncle Tom. It's more of a slam on that person for being an Uncle Tom rather than on the person who hired them.

[Odie]

it's ture though, Bush doesn't give a shit about black people, because they don't vote for him.

[K-nowledge]

it's ture though, Bush doesn't give a shit about black people, because they don't vote for him.
racism is bullshit and will never go away because of idiodic comments like yours.

[EN[i]GMA]

LMAO. Shit, that actually does the trick for some people? Have you heard the term Uncle Tom before? See, that seems to be the only effort G. Bush is putting into this equality thing. Don't be fooled by it.

But seriously, have you ever heard "American Way" by Nas?

Oh I see, they're Uncle Toms, 'house niggers' right?

And GW is the racist one?

Please.

And no I've not heard it.

Can you prove that G.W. is racist? No. You cannot.

You can prove a hell of a lot worse, so WHY the fuck resort to lies?

We don't need to lie or distort to villify him.

Resorting to this sort of shit only gives his supporters ammo.

[Vladimir]

You can't screen cap a windows media, and they don't have the quicktime up yet. If you just flip all the way to the end of the video, thats where chris tucker shows up.

[Funkaloyd]

http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~funkaloyd/files/tucker.gif
279KB animated GIF.

I recommend the vid though. It could be seen as a reasonably historic moment... and the face is better with context.

[Odie]

why is he standing next to a fridge?

[Rich Cheney]

I remember it took federal aid just as long to reach the victims of the F5 tornadoes that hit Oklahoma back in 99.
Didn't hear much from the peanut gallery claiming that Clinton was racist back then.

[Funkaloyd]

why is he standing next to a fridge?
It looks like they were rushed to cut away to another African American, and had to set up slightly off of the set.

[milleson]

(WARNING - Bad grammar ahead)

I don't think GW doesn't care about black people. I think he doesn't give a shit about Americans in general. Why limit his disregard for the American public to just one race?

[checkyourprez]

thats on some revolution shit.


too many people today are too pc and pussy to say anything on a big stage. he made a bold claim that i think many people think but never have the balls to say.


i give him props for using his first amendment rights about a very important topic.

[zorra_chiflada]

about people saying "he didn't sound very smart": do you have to be "smart" to be pissed off about something?

it's not like he was completely wrong and way off the mark.

[Funkaloyd]

I don't think anyone meant it like that. It's just that the way he came across (which I think was due to knowing that he'd be cut off any second) will likely be used against him by Hannity, Limbaugh et al., who may even suggest that only stupid people believe that there's still racism in the US, or something similar.

[D_Raay]

I don't think anyone meant it like that. It's just that the way he came across (which I think was due to knowing that he'd be cut off any second) will likely be used against him by Hannity, Limbaugh et al., who may even suggest that only stupid people believe that there's still racism in the US, or something similar.
Yeah you're right, and so the madness goes on.

[beastiefan]

Obviously there is a problem with getting the aid in a timely manner in Louisiana. Isn't there susposed to be programs set into effect for this sort of thing? Let me ask this...instead of a hurricane there was a terrorist attack on Louisiana, would the aid get there faster, would Bush be more concerned?? It's a joke! As far as Kanye and his comments, obviously he feels something is wrong also. Is it about race? I don't know but the majority of people down there are black, and poor. According to this article "Apparently criticism of President Bush should now be treated as an obscenity."

Fox Anchor: NBC Should Have Bleeped Out West (http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/03/fox-race/)

[Tommy J]

I remember it took federal aid just as long to reach the victims of the F5 tornadoes that hit Oklahoma back in 99.
Didn't hear much from the peanut gallery claiming that Clinton was racist back then.

Speaking Respectfully! It does us no good to compare oranges and apples philosophically Rich (re. Oklahoma Tornadoes), you might agree that such threads tangle us in discussions about reasons which resolve little (and also that reasons hold us back from being who we want to be, and living the best lives possible). We could have such a discussion where I suggest you check the following links, which you could counter with links of your own.
That said Rich perhaps you'll join me and hopefully others in adding this icon (lb) to any message posted on the subject of Bush, Katrina and racism which signifies that you have given money to the relief effort. People on either side of the debate who do not should "put a quarter in your ass becasue you're playing yourself" . . . Beasties, To The Five Boroughs, "Hey Fuck You"
I'm off to give some dough, when I've done it I'll come back with a link, for the mean time if you're keen here are the links that I found about the Oklahoma tornadoes (bear in mind I am British so I don't recall the tornadoes and my search for your proof was limited to about 30 mins and "usa today" I dunno what they represent on your side of the pond)
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/tornado/storms/1999/wtorid.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/tornado/storms/1999/ndstue18.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/tornado/storms/1999/w503tora.htm

p.s. I dunno what the peanut gallery is but it sounds like stereotypy, which if it is, doesn't do much good eh!

[Tommy J]

Speaking Respectfully! It does us no good to compare oranges and apples philosophically Rich (re. Oklahoma Tornadoes), you might agree that such threads tangle us in discussions about reasons which resolve little (and also that reasons hold us back from being who we want to be, and living the best lives possible). We could have such a discussion where I suggest you check the following links, which you could counter with links of your own.
That said Rich perhaps you'll join me and hopefully others in adding this icon (lb) to any message posted on the subject of Bush, Katrina and racism which signifies that you have given money to the relief effort. People on either side of the debate who do not should "put a quarter in your ass becasue you're playing yourself" . . . Beasties, To The Five Boroughs, "Hey Fuck You"
I'm off to give some dough, when I've done it I'll come back with a link, for the mean time if you're keen here are the links that I found about the Oklahoma tornadoes (bear in mind I am British so I don't recall the tornadoes and my search for your proof was limited to about 30 mins and "usa today" I dunno what they represent on your side of the pond)
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/tornado/storms/1999/wtorid.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/tornado/storms/1999/ndstue18.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/tornado/storms/1999/w503tora.htm

p.s. I dunno what the peanut gallery is but it sounds like stereotypy, which if it is, doesn't do much good eh!


S'up all, I just gave some dough (money) to the Katrina appeal via the British Red Cross as if you've got a British debit card (i.e. not a credit card) you can't donate via the American Red Cross website which is https://give.redcross.org/?hurricanemasthead so if you're from the uk go to http://www.redcross.org.uk/standard.asp?id=49121 here's my (lb) . . .
. . . from the Katrina coverage I've seen and read about the finger is being pointed at the Government as regards the short commings of the relief effort, which does suggest that to some degree the Red Cross is paying for the short commings of the government to a degree. I reckon that ultimately the responsibility for this lies with President Bush but I do think it's cool to give dough and/or be politically active, because whatever your persuasion there's honour and integrity in that.

I just realised that you might be interested in London slang like "dough" there's a quasi language of rhyming slang that's been evolving in East London UK for decades and decades so check this link out if you're keen http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk it's pretty funny but "dough" isn't on there for some reason, I'm off for my Michael Winner
peace n love
:)

[Princess1987]

If people make this racist there stupid ,this is not about racism it is about people who ,well the looters who stole food thats okay I can understand they
had to live but what the hell are you going to do with t.v. , there is no power what are you going to do just stare at it and hope that it will magically come on are something ,imean if people make this about racism there crazy with twisted minds not every white person agrees withn the past I don't for sure , but for god sakes kill me just cause I'm white you think I'll point fingers at you I'm not that way I'm sorry for the past If i coul'd I woul'd have never let it happen but i can't I'm not racist I love everyone the same I just see people as themselves not by their skin color i woul'd die for anyone in america example I'd die for the guys of Publicenemy ,the Beastieboys jackie chan anyone. when i see chris rock i see an awesome, just a nice handsome guy.

[QueenAdrock]

Wow, okay, that post was hard to deceipher.

Anyways, the way that they report the news IS racist. I've seen white families take food and water for their families, and they've been reported as "taking food to feed their hungry families." And I've ALSO seen reports of blacks doing the same thing (they've had milk, cereal, bread, etc.) and the same reporters said "looters are on the run down here".

THAT is racist. When two groups do the same thing, and one is called out on it, while the other is just trying to survive.

[K-nowledge]

Wow, okay, that post was hard to deceipher.

Anyways, the way that they report the news IS racist. I've seen white families take food and water for their families, and they've been reported as "taking food to feed their hungry families." And I've ALSO seen reports of blacks doing the same thing (they've had milk, cereal, bread, etc.) and the same reporters said "looters are on the run down here".

THAT is racist. When two groups do the same thing, and one is called out on it, while the other is just trying to survive.

I have not seen those accounts but all the racism is pointed at the government and not at the media witch is reporting it.

[QueenAdrock]

If you listened to what West said before his "Bush doesn't care about Black people" line, he mentions exactly what I said. How the two races are looked at differently in these situations: "They're saying black families are looting and white families are just looking for food." I'm pretty sure he's referring to the media there, because everyone knows the government hasn't come out with a statement like that, but the news has. The Bush comment seemed to come out of the blue, in that respect.

I'm surprised you haven't seen any of the racism. Try FOX, they usually do a wonderful job of differentiating between survival and looting.

[K-nowledge]

I know it not the sure shots forum but...

Looting:
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/635331/25946/user_25946/T0_25946_635331.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=635331)

Survival:
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/635333/25946/user_25946/T0_25946_635333.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=635333)

Looting:
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/635339/25946/user_25946/T0_25946_635339.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=635339)

Survival:
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/635342/25946/user_25946/T0_25946_635342.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=635342)

There is a difference.

[QueenAdrock]

Yeah, there IS a difference. I'm saying it's not always portrayed that way, though.

And who says you don't need beer to survive? ;)

[K-nowledge]

True. Beer is a nutritional part of every meal. (y)

[Medellia]

P.S. Though it may not be extremely true, I thought it was funny. Didn't anyone else go "OH SNAP" and then giggle? I sure did. :D
I did. :D

[Medellia]

I remember it took federal aid just as long to reach the victims of the F5 tornadoes that hit Oklahoma back in 99.
Didn't hear much from the peanut gallery claiming that Clinton was racist back then.
There weren't as many people affected by the '99 tornados as by Katrina. OKC was nowhere near completely destroyed. It's not the same thing. Take it from someone who was living in Oklahoma by then.

[GreenEarthAl]

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/05/1426205

Today's program is a good one to watch/listen to.

[pshabi]

There are 400,000 troops in the National Guard. 90,000 are in Iraq.

a class thing?
During times like this we are supposed to unite. Idiodic comments like what Kanye said do the exact opposite.

9,000 New Orleans national guardsmen and 7,000 of them are in Iraq.

[K-nowledge]

18,000 National Guard troops are in Louisiana and Mississippi helping with the relief effort.

[pshabi]

18,000 National Guard troops are in Louisiana and Mississippi helping with the relief effort.
My post was terrible.

What I meant was, at the time of the catastrophe, the mayor of NO said that there were 9,000 New Orleans national guardsmen and that 7,000 of them were in Iraq.

The troops are there now. But have you ever went a couple days without food or water?

They weren't there quick enough.

God bless those troops who are working though.

[K-nowledge]

Most of the city of NO was evacuated in 5 days by helicopters, boats and buses. That's pretty astounding. I don't think you could do that if everyone left in thier own car under normal circumstances. By the way, Bush and the mayor of NO who told the people of NO to get out before the storm.

[Space]

im glad i never bought his cd.

[DJ_Skrilla]

im glad i never bought his cd.

your loss. Both College dropout and Late Registration are classic.

Buy the new Paul Wall. Peoples Champ... Thats the new shit!

[g-mile7]

rumor is They (the radio) said that the Conservatives and members of the Republican party were outraged about the comments he made, and were trying to have his CD's pulled from the stores, as well as trying to organize a boycott of his new CD.




the fact is this he said something that any logical person would know is not factual (if Bush hates black people why have two blacks even that close to him like he did, and what bout the poor white people in NO?) so of course pulling his CD which doenst have anything to do bout politics (mentions Bush once on it bout Anthrax, and AIDS by the government), but really he needs to STFU, I like Kanye and have both his lps I think he is a great artist however if he gogin talk like a leader, a BLACK leader then act like one, donate a good portion of you new CD sales to the relif effort, fly planes/buses to the victims take the steps a MLK Jr or X would take just dont talk out your ass and point fingers from the sideline. And that goes for you Sharptons/Jacksons who are using this diaster to their advantage to fuel their own poltical bias. Thats the shit I hate, if you cared bout your people that much you do what you claim Bush isnt doing and help your people more then you are I'm sorry, theres no excuse for a multi millionaire to even talk shit unless they putting it down, pawn some them gems/stones/clothes you got Im sure theres shit in his closet he's only wore once thats worth 25,000 (the number of a decent home down south), oh yea I am from Baton Rouge orginally so this shit really hits close to home

[K-nowledge]

^Excellent take!

[GreenEarthAl]

Mike Meyers readsd from the script as instructed.

Kanye West is overcome with sincere and genuine emotion and says, you know what, fuck the script, and he goes off on a rant. Trying to think extemporaneously in a high pressure situation is difficult and so his speach is very meandering. He manages to talk about what he feels is an unfair media portrayal. He tries to throw in some statements about how he doesn't want to be a hypocrite because he is less than perfect and feels he has not been living up to the ideals he's aspousing but he wanted to espouse them none-the-less.

Mike Meyers tries to recover the program which now feels a bit uncomfortable by getting the show back on script.

Kanye West doesn't want to launch into another meandering ramble so he just suscinctly states what's on his mind. He says "George Bush DOESN'T CARE ABOUT Black People."

A statement that is, by the way, vastly different from George Bush hates black people. Having two black people in cabinet level positions is rather meaningless if it is done just for strategic purposes. I have no means of proving it is just for strategic purposes, but it is rather obvious that it's might convenient to have Condeleza Rice around to go on record at every available opportunity talking about how George Bush cares about black people. Personally, as a black person and as a white person, I agree with Kanye's sentiments precicely. I've never seen any evidence that George Bush cares about people in general, let alone black people. I've seen all kinds of evidence that suggests to me that Bush's administrations and they people that I feel they serve don't care about poor people, many of whom are black.

[EN[i]GMA]

Mike Meyers readsd from the script as instructed.

Kanye West is overcome with sincere and genuine emotion and says, you know what, fuck the script, and he goes off on a rant. Trying to think extemporaneously in a high pressure situation is difficult and so his speach is very meandering. He manages to talk about what he feels is an unfair media portrayal. He tries to throw in some statements about how he doesn't want to be a hypocrite because he is less than perfect and feels he has not been living up to the ideals he's aspousing but he wanted to espouse them none-the-less.

Mike Meyers tries to recover the program which now feels a bit uncomfortable by getting the show back on script.

Kanye West doesn't want to launch into another meandering ramble so he just suscinctly states what's on his mind. He says "George Bush DOESN'T CARE ABOUT Black People."

A statement that is, by the way, vastly different from George Bush hates black people. Having two black people in cabinet level positions is rather meaningless if it is done just for strategic purposes. I have no means of proving it is just for strategic purposes, but it is rather obvious that it's might convenient to have Condeleza Rice around to go on record at every available opportunity talking about how George Bush cares about black people. Personally, as a black person and as a white person, I agree with Kanye's sentiments precicely. I've never seen any evidence that George Bush cares about people in general, let alone black people. I've seen all kinds of evidence that suggests to me that Bush's administrations and they people that I feel they serve don't care about poor people, many of whom are black.

Fair enough.

I just think it IS an unfair generalization. We have plenty to villify Bush with. Articulate, intelligent attacks from a myriad of sources, we just don't need this.

I guess it's better for him to have said than to have not said it, but still...

[racer5.0stang]

I wonder what the Senator and the ambulance-chaser would have done in this situation?

[rob20]

I don't feel like going back and reading all these posts at the moment. it's the mayors job to have the people to evacuate not the presidents or anyone elses job to do so. try pointing blame at the person who is responsible which is the mayors responsibilty, not the president or the government for that matter. look at all the school buses that are under water at the moment, the mayor could have loaded those buses down with people and had them on their way, those who were willing to leave at least. they were told it was a cat 5 hurricane, it's not like it went from a 2 to a 5 within a matter of minutes, hell it was a 5, that being enough for any one to get out of dodge, any one with common sense.

[Monsieur Decuts]

I don't feel like going back and reading all these posts at the moment. it's the mayors job to have the people to evacuate not the presidents or anyone elses job to do so. try pointing blame at the person who is responsible which is the mayors responsibilty, not the president or the government for that matter. look at all the school buses that are under water at the moment, the mayor could have loaded those buses down with people and had them on their way, those who were willing to leave at least. they were told it was a cat 5 hurricane, it's not like it went from a 2 to a 5 within a matter of minutes, hell it was a 5, that being enough for any one to get out of dodge, any one with common sense.

wrong.

why do the people of New Orleans pay Federal Taxes? Why is there a federal governement in the first place? New Orleans property taxes aren't going to cover emergency evacuation measures.

NEXT

[STANKY808]

... those who were willing to leave at least. they were told it was a cat 5 hurricane, it's not like it went from a 2 to a 5 within a matter of minutes, hell it was a 5, that being enough for any one to get out of dodge, any one with common sense.


...and the means (car or money) to get out AND somewhere to go to. Yeah, I guess those elderly folks in wheel chairs were just too stuborn, let 'em rot.

[rob20]

...and the means (car or money) to get out AND somewhere to go to. Yeah, I guess those elderly folks in wheel chairs were just too stuborn, let 'em rot.
first of all I didn't pin point any one person. if they were in wheel chairs, if they were old, young etc. there were plenty of ways they could have left if their own people were willing to help at the time. instead "We Americans/American citizens choose to help ourselves and not others."So put the blame on one another instead. And when some disaster happens "We" always find excuses, we want to put forth blame on some one instead of coming together during a time like this. so basically it's easy to put the blame on President Bush.

[Space]

wrong.

why do the people of New Orleans pay Federal Taxes? Why is there a federal governement in the first place? New Orleans property taxes aren't going to cover emergency evacuation measures.

NEXT

because most of the attention is being focused on non-tax payers, that dont own property, i am guesing you are mad at those of us that are donating blood,money,food,water, time and sheltor.

[STANKY808]

Who are these "non-tax payers" you are referring to?

[Space]

Who are these "non-tax payers" you are referring to?

the people that do not pay taxes, but rely on taxes and tax payers to survive, the ones getting the most press in the media, also the ones that look the most pathetic, and are begging the most.

the ones that would have starved to death days ago because they are too weak to survive on their own.

[STANKY808]

So they have never paid any sort of sales tax, gasolione tax or any other type of tax? Is that even possible? I honestly don't know, but thought there were taxes other than those paid on income.

[zorra_chiflada]

the people that do not pay taxes, but rely on taxes and tax payers to survive, the ones getting the most press in the media, also the ones that look the most pathetic, and are begging the most.

the ones that would have starved to death days ago because they are too weak to survive on their own.

you're saying that the government isn't to blame because the poor don't derserve help?

wow, i didn't realise that people were so open about their hatred of the poor.

[Space]

i dont have hatered for any person and if you have kept up this thread we are talking about the federal government...ie BUSH/fema...therefore sales taxes would not apply.

i am upset that the conditions of the welfare program have not educated these people enough to get out of a bowl 13 feet below sea level when a 30 ft swell is gonna wipe them out, and they are warned days before, i am upset that the mayor and govenror cant agree on what to do,and then they blame responsible/ educated people for not catering to their needs, while real life tax payers/ property owners are still trapped in houses that they own, taking in their last breath and dying. It reminds me of the saying "you give a fish to man, he feds himself for a meal, but if you teach him how to fish, he feeds a family for a lifetime"...these people cant even swim.

these poor people do not pay taxes , they live off taxes that other people pay, at least 25,000 are in my state living off our contributions, and my school taxes, and education system which is already the worst in the counrtry but we are welcoming them in.

keep binging me your liberial bleeding heart BS all night, and i will continue to point out how flawed a concept your social servive programs are , beacuse the only reason your party cares about these people is to maintain a certain level of votes..

WAKE UP yall, they are being educated for the next five/12 months by the hospitally of MY TEXAS STATE...ie BUSH COUNTRY, and may never leave ...because they reconize that we saved them, while you ponder how an individual could possible take full responsiblity for a catastropic HURRAcaine, but over look the mayor and govenor of their worthless communities.

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i dont have hatered for any person and if you have kept up this thread we are talking about the federal government...ie BUSH/fema...therefore sales taxes would not apply.

i am upset that the conditions of the welfare program have not educated these people enough to get out of a bowl 13 feet below sea level when a 30 ft swell is gonna wipe them out, and they are warned days before, i am upset that the mayor and govenror cant agree on what to do,and then they blame responsible/ educated people for not catering to their needs, while real life tax payers/ property owners are still trapped in houses that they own, taking in their last breath and dying. It reminds me of the saying "you give a fish to man, he feds himself for a meal, but if you teach him how to fish, he feeds a family for a lifetime"...these people cant even swim.

these poor people do not pay taxes , they live off taxes that other people pay, at least 25,000 are in my state living off our contributions, and my school taxes, and education system which is already the worst in the counrtry but we are welcoming them in.

keep binging me your liberial bleeding heart BS all night, and i will continue to point out how flawed a concept your social servive programs are , beacuse the only reason your party cares about these people is to maintain a certain level of votes..

WAKE UP yall, they are being educated for the next five/12 months by the hospitally of MY TEXAS STATE...ie BUSH COUNTRY, and may never leave ...because they reconize that we saved them, while you ponder how an individual could possible take full responsiblity for a catastropic HURRAcaine, but over look the mayor and govenor of their worthless communities.



Hey take a minute and understand why these "people who cant swim" are like that. (I am getting the feeling this is directed at african americans by the sentiment of your post and because they are the ones you are seeing on your tv screen, and possibly you were even taking a cheap shot at african americans with the typical sterio type of them not liking water or not being able to swim. also, mind you the majority of people that are not paying taxes and "taking your money" from public assistance are white)

But back to the topic at hand, maybe if we didnt ship a race of people thousands of miles away from their home and everythign they knew and enslaved them, beat them down, treated them like shit and tried to keep them uneducated for so many years they would be in a little different posistion at the moment, maybe theyd "be able to swim". This aspect of our culture gets brushed aside too much today like it was so long ago. For fucks sake dude we were still segregated up until about 40 years ago.

I think you're attitude is that these people are different from you. They have the same number of chromosomes as you. They are human, humans that are trapped in fucking sewage bacteria infested water dieing and instead you are commenting on how they didnt listen to the "responsible/ educated people" (white people, isnt that what you ment?). Until people like you stop creating divisions where they are not needed this place, this world, will never get better.

[Medellia]

WAKE UP yall, they are being educated for the next five/12 months by the hospitally of MY TEXAS STATE...ie BUSH COUNTRY, and may never leave ...because they reconize that we saved them, while you ponder how an individual could possible take full responsiblity for a catastropic HURRAcaine, but over look the mayor and govenor of their worthless communities.
Wow. I really don't like you.

Oh and people are being taken to other states as well, so get off your fucking Texas high-horse.

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Wow. I really don't like you.

Oh and people are being taken to other states as well, so get off your fucking Texas high-horse.

oh, he's a giant horses arse, isn't he? (n)

[Medellia]

Oh yes, very much so. "Their worthless communities" where the fuck does he get off saying that? That's the most despicable, ignorant disgusting thing I have read on this board.