View Full Version : I saw the movie End of Suburbia tonight, and now I can't sleep!
aspartame
09-04-2005, 03:06 AM
The movie is making me have nightmares about the possible end of oil. The movie points out how our society is completely dependent on oil, and we don't know how to survive without it. Scientists predict a possible oil crash occurring in the very near future which will send America, (and most likely the world), into complete and utter chaos. Due to the outrages gas prices, only the rich will be able to afford oil and cause a major division between the classes. Basically, we'll be left to fend for ourselves, i.e., grow our own food, get our own water, etc. Kinda like what's going on in New Orleans right now. So let me ask you....
1. If anyone reads this... Do you think this could, or is, happening; or am I just being paranoid?
2. What exactly is 'cold fusion', and why is it free energy?
TonsOfFun
09-04-2005, 03:39 AM
twenty twenty twenty four hours to go, I wanna be sedated.
That is the 2nd I've quoted that lyric with some relevance in 24 hours - wow!
But yes, we'll run out of oil. Plastic will be no longer and it will be a pain and expensive and the late 20th and early 21st century will be to blame.
HOWEVER........
Humans will adapt, we'll be alright I feel. Not I'm saying we shouldn't preserve what we have, because we should and I actively campaign for people to do this and try and lead by example. But do not worry, most of it is out of your control but if something worries you then I think you should do something about, even if it's not use your car/get the bus/train and walk. Every drop saved does help.
I beleive the earth is renewable but not at the rate we are using it. I feel most in developed and developing countries are taking two shovels for every one shovel the earth can replace. So if we all cut out usage down by about half then it'll be at a status quo we have now (one shovel used for one shovel renewed). But if we all try and cut our natural resources down by a little more than half then the world can catch up. And it's easier than you think.
Buy stuff with less packaging, look for symbols on products that minimise harm to the planet. I'm actually in the process of starting a business for this type of thing and the main problem is cost. When you can opt for example - a washing up liquid that is kind to the environment for £1.50 but the super-marketed-evil-corporation-fuck-the-environment-but-has-been-advertised-on-TV-as-the -best-every-washing-up-liquid for £1.10, people would buy that one even though there is no difference in preformance and often better by the more expensive ones.
There is also a problem for exposure of such items cus super markets do no want to stock something without it being tested in other markets first. If yougo down to local health shops or fair trade shops, they do all sorts of cool stuff you can get everywhere but has not been made with anything but profit in mind...
enree erzweglle
09-04-2005, 05:02 AM
It's a Macromedia tool that generates HTML pages from a database. :D
link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion)
Hiebz
09-04-2005, 06:48 AM
I was thinking of the limitted resource of oil too and wondered if we would be conservative enough to do the following as a precaution (as in preventive, as in preparing for the worst, before the worst happens ...)
if not completely eliminate the sports of drag and nascar racing (gasoline powered boats, jetskis, F1, what have you), at least take the sport over to alternative fuel competitions ... seriously. I fail to see the point of driving around in circles burning up our fuel that people are dieing (sp?) and will most surely die for. sure it's not as fast or exciting, but give it time and development, just like the development of the gas combustion cars to bring us to where we have come in that domain, surely it could be exciting and a good frontier, no? How played out are the muscled-out bored out engines that suck fuel away just for faster speeds and bigger boners? Don't get me wrong, that is pretty impressive and takes some serious mechanic work, but wouldn't take an even better mechanic to do the same with other methods? Could there be more pride and balls assigned to achieving that?
bahhhh.. don't suppose that'll all fly. go on rev your engines, consume that fuel ohhh consuming consumers!!
consume consume, your day of reckoning will come!
Funkaloyd
09-04-2005, 07:01 AM
The amount of petrol consumed in motorsport is next to nothing compared to, say, the amount that people worldwide waste by driving 600 metre round trips on a regular basis.
I don't think it's really worthy of any attention when campaigning to reduce consumption, especially considering its popularity.
TonsOfFun
09-04-2005, 07:05 AM
^My favourite racing is BTCC and they have a team called Triple Eight Race Engineering has backing from Energy Efficient Motor Sport (EEMS)...
...so it ca be done.
link (http://www.the-mia.com/index_sub.cfm?id=611)
SobaViolence
09-04-2005, 09:33 AM
people are stupid and lazy.
civilization is fucked.
TonsOfFun
09-04-2005, 10:12 AM
We need a big space ship like in Hitchhikers guide where they send all the fancy hairdressers middle managers and generally useless people into space to get lost.
enree erzweglle
09-04-2005, 12:22 PM
The news story this morning looped and went on/on about how much it is going to cost you to drive between local points A & B ...and local points A & C. ...and then local points A & C. And then they did variations of those costs depending on whether you have an SUV. And then they outlined those cost breakdowns relative to last year's pricing.
It was designed to be upsetting. Which isn't a bad thing because maybe it'll make some people consolidate their errands or walk to do them when possible.
DJ_Skrilla
09-04-2005, 09:35 PM
It was designed to be upsetting. Which isn't a bad thing because maybe it'll make some people consolidate their errands or walk to do them when possible.
Yeah well not in america. Unlike EU where people will actually use public transportation or bike or walk, people in america wont be bothered to be inconvienenced to not drive. Gas can go above 3.00 a gallon (Thats how much it was in San Diego when I was there last week) and people will still be driving there Hummers to work. Its unfortunate but when gas goes up in america people dont drive less, they just cut out some other part of their budget to accomodate.
enree erzweglle
09-05-2005, 12:51 AM
Yeah well not in america. Unlike EU where people will actually use public transportation or bike or walk, people in america wont be bothered to be inconvienenced to not drive. Gas can go above 3.00 a gallon (Thats how much it was in San Diego when I was there last week) and people will still be driving there Hummers to work. Its unfortunate but when gas goes up in america people dont drive less, they just cut out some other part of their budget to accomodate.
Doesn't apply to all Americans. I walk whenever I can and I take the bus lots (especially since my work pays for that). I have a car; I basically only use it a few times a month. I've been doing that for years--it's completely unrelated to this recent oil situation. There are other people like me too, although I think while most people from my neighborhood and surrounding ones do this, most people from my city, in general, do not.
Also, if public transportation worked here the way it does in the parts of Europe that I've visited, a lot more people here would use it. Not defending people who drive hummers (they're flat-out inexcusable across the board, IMO)...just saying that 1) not everyone here behaves in the way that you describe and 2) people would be more motivated to use it it was easier to use public transportation. (In my city, there are times and/or days when you simply cannot get a bus into or out of certain areas. It's shameful.)
boys_beastie
09-05-2005, 06:08 AM
and our world leaders dont give a shit. instead of trying to find a solution, theyre trying to keep their reputations up by doing stupid unnecccesary stuff, especially in the uk and us. and i just think ill add, GWB doesnt seem to be handling the NO situation very well.
boys_beastie
09-05-2005, 06:10 AM
and the public transport isnt good enough either, my has to drive to work because there's no other way of getting there. the trains have stopped by the time he finished work, and no coaches go there and its the same situation fort the majority of this country let alone the rest of the world.
YoungRemy
09-06-2005, 12:32 AM
End of Suburbia tonight,
thats the doc about peak oil consumption if i remember correctly.
America already hit its peak oil consumption, in the 1970s... OPEC and all that shit. so as soon as we hit global peak oil, we will continue to produce less and less oil and we have to build turbine engines and drive around in cars powered by coffee, beer, and veggie oil...
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