From Michael Moore's mailing list

[hummalumma]

From Michael Moore's mailing list - response to New Orleans and Mr. Bush
Friday, September 2nd, 2005

Dear Mr. Bush:

Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag.

Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with?

Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans.
That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her!

I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?

And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for
them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!

On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a
commander in chief. Been there done that.

There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing.

Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one
F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland.

No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this!

You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit.

Yours,

Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
www.MichaelMoore.com <http://www.michaelmoore.com>

P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your ranch. She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now driving across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you can catch up with them http://www.bringthemhomenowtour.org...ay.php?modin=50> before they get to DC on September 21st.

[TonsOfFun]

I like Micheal Moore but (& don't take this out of context and it's kinda sad) but he would be 100% more effective if he tidied himself up a little bit. Clean jeans, a comb through his hair and just a bit more cleaniness shown - he might be super hygenic but it doesn't show.

Just my thought.

[Newtral77]

Helicopters dont want to fly in there cause some of the people in there are falt out too iggnorant to be rescued. These geniuses are shooting at the freaking rescue choppers. If you guys can give me a good reason for why they are doing that I would be surprised. Im sure once a helicopter can pick people up without being shot at more would show up to help in areas that need it.

[TonsOfFun]

They are shooting cus they are pissed off and confused. If help was quicker blah blah blah

In fact I'm sick of typing this shit, it upsets me and pisses me off. And I'm over 5000 miles away from it all...

[Newtral77]

they are confused by helicopters fixing bridges so relief can get to the area.... wow thats really REALLY confused. I know if I was on my roof top knee high in flood water and a helicopter flew over I personally wouldnt bust out my glock and squeez some rounds off at it. but thats just me...

[icy manipulator]

micheal moore's too one sided for my liking

[Newtral77]

Ya he could make some decent points sometimes, but most of the time he comes off as a whiny fat guy. If he really tried to be somewhat even I think a guy like him could do something to raise flags in areas they need to be raised. The truth is he has gotten the reputation of being a one sided radical, making his views (good or bad depending on your view of things) watered down in the eyes of most of the nation.

Now he will always have a contingent of followers because those with such objective views always have those that will agree no matter how slanted his opinion is. Its kinda sad because like I said he had potential to be a genuine "I am the pulse of america" kinda guy.

[Tone Capone]

...cause some of the people in there are falt out too iggnorant to be rescued....

LOL!!!
That was awesome :D

[synch]

LOL!!!
That was awesome :D
I had decided to let him get away with it but yes, I got a chuckle from that.

[enree erzweglle]

It's heartwarming to read about how some celebrities have helped with the hurricane relief efforts.

full story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4218450.stm)

[bigblu89]

Poiltical thread please.

[abcdefz]

Michael Moore is a jackass. One of the few media figures who, when I agree with him, I start trying to figure out why I must be wrong.

[zorra_chiflada]

michael moore is ok. he's not a terrible person, per se, he's just a little bit lame in some ways
i think the "awful truth" was fine in the way it was a good starting point for getting involved and interested in social issues.
but he's not the be-all and end-all of political activism. in bowling for columbine he was condescending and sanctimonius.
and yeah, he does need to clean up.

[enree erzweglle]

He connected, engaged, and energized groups of younger people who have, over the last few years, become somewhat lazy and apathetic.

I don't much care that he looks the way he does (except that I do hope he's healthy under all of that extra weight). He's never struck me as looking unclean/dirty/unshowered--just overweight and casually dressed.

[GreenEarthAl]

Me n Heather's second date was Bowling for Columbine.

It was a good date film and had lots to discuss afterwards. After an initial date you want to compare notes and see whether or not you're the same variety of hippie.

[QueenAdrock]

Then did you go for an all-natural cone of wheatgrass-flavored non-dairy based frozen yogurt?

[Anne Lauren]

Michael Moore is a fat, discusting, ignorant, piece of shit, that twists the truth for the sake of argueing just to be argueing.

In other words, I don't like the man. :D

[synch]

And you miss, have no clue what you are talking about.

[Anne Lauren]

And you miss, have no clue what you are talking about.

Oh, I don't, huh??

So, you're telling me that Moore is completely forth right in telling the entire complete truth and doesn't use propaganda, at all?

[ms.peachy]

Oh, I don't, huh??

So, you're telling me that Moore is completely forth right in telling the entire complete truth and doesn't use propaganda, at all?
No of course he uses propaganda.

He uses it skillfully and intelligently, and employs clear and thorough research in the process.

[synch]

Oh, I don't, huh??

So, you're telling me that Moore is completely forth right in telling the entire complete truth and doesn't use propaganda, at all?
Let me break this down for you.

Michael Moore is a fat, discusting, ignorant, piece of shit, that twists the truth for the sake of argueing just to be argueing.

In other words, I don't like the man. :D
I'll leave the fat, disguisting, ignorant piece of shit bit for what it is although I must say that instead of making your point it makes your opinion look less interesting.

He isn't an unbiased filmmaker but he makes the point he believes is right. He uses the means at his disposal to do so and although I'd prefer it if he were unbiased it doesn't work that way. He doesn't twist the truth as he shows his interpretation of it. I also don't believe he does it for the sake of arguing and I'm curious to hear what you mean by that. About it being propaganda, any interpretation with bias of any political issue is technically propaganda.

Something like Fox News is worse than Michael Moore in my opinion because I don't believe Michael Moore has a secret agenda. What you see is what you get.

Bashing him for the way he looks is just plain stupid, although I wish he'd take more care of his appearance so people (like you) won't be able to bash him based on his appearance but will have to resort to sticking to his material and facts (ooooooh....).

[Loppfessor]

micheal moore's too one sided for my liking


You can't really take anything someone too far left or right says all that seriously....

[GreenEarthAl]

You can't really take anything someone too far left or right says all that seriously....

What's to stop me?

[Loppfessor]

What's to stop me?


Logic? I dunno I guess I should've said "I wouldn't advise taking a statement from someone on either extreme of the political spectrum too seriously"

[synch]

I wouldn't say Moore was an "extremist" though. He is just louder than most left wingers, not more of an extremist.

[enree erzweglle]

I wouldn't say Moore was an "extremist" though. He is just louder than most left wingers, not more of an extremist.Exactly...he's loud and brazen and a little sneaky wrt his agenda. But I think that's okay because usually the people he confronts are those things and more.

[Loppfessor]

Okay how bout this....I don't listen to him cus he's fat. There I said it!! :mad:

[synch]

Well that is perfectly reasonable.

[enree erzweglle]

Well that is perfectly reasonable.
He is maybe jetlagged or reeling from his intercontinental travels? :D

[synch]

Moore or Lopp? :D

[mp-seventythree]

I thought Michael Moore blew himself up at Mount Rushmore :confused:

[abcdefz]

Michael Moore has entirely too much hair. Can't be trusted.

[zorra_chiflada]

ignorant

nope, sorry, try again girlie.


that twists the truth for the sake of argueing just to be argueing.

"for the sake of arguing"
are you one of those people that gets offended whenever anyone says anything agaist george bush? do you hate activists?
as i said, i'm not his greatest fan, but the "criticisms" you gave him are lame and unorginal.

[sheesh]

Michael Moore is a fucking slob. I bet he was stuffing his face while typing his letter. You'd think he could afford a razor and a bath at this point in his life. Sorry Michael Moore, things aren't cut and dried in nice neat little piles of right and wrong in the real world.

[Anne Lauren]

Let me break this down for you.


I'll leave the fat, disguisting, ignorant piece of shit bit for what it is although I must say that instead of making your point it makes your opinion look less interesting.

He isn't an unbiased filmmaker but he makes the point he believes is right. He uses the means at his disposal to do so and although I'd prefer it if he were unbiased it doesn't work that way. He doesn't twist the truth as he shows his interpretation of it. I also don't believe he does it for the sake of arguing and I'm curious to hear what you mean by that. About it being propaganda, any interpretation with bias of any political issue is technically propaganda.

Something like Fox News is worse than Michael Moore in my opinion because I don't believe Michael Moore has a secret agenda. What you see is what you get.

Bashing him for the way he looks is just plain stupid, although I wish he'd take more care of his appearance so people (like you) won't be able to bash him based on his appearance but will have to resort to sticking to his material and facts (ooooooh....).

Humm? I trying to think of something in response to your reply to my comment about Michael Moore.

I don't know what else to say, other than, "No", I don't respect the man. Not because of his opinions. And not because he bashes George Bush. And not because he's fat and greasy. I mean, it is a free country and without all sorts of different views and ways of expressing them...life would be rather dull and we would constantly keep repeating the same mistakes because no other alternate opinions would even be explored.

I feel that he manipulates the truth. He'll only display one piece of the puzzle. Well, yeah, looking at that one piece...he seems to have a damn good point. However, once you place that piece into to rest of the puzzle, his points come across as being somewhat ignorant and inaccurate to me. And you know what, it's not really even that that does it for me. Hell, politicians do it, along with tons of other people...it's the fact that he's so loud and obnoxious about it. I just wish he were a little more suave about it.

[Medellia]

I feel that he manipulates the truth. He'll only display one piece of the puzzle. Well, yeah, looking at that one piece...he seems to have a damn good point. However, once you place that piece into to rest of the puzzle, his points come across as being somewhat ignorant and inaccurate to me. And you know what, it's not really even that that does it for me. Hell, politicians do it, along with tons of other people...it's the fact that he's so loud and obnoxious about it. I just wish he were a little more suave about it.
So fucking what? He's a filmmaker, not a reporter. His films and website are a good starting point for gathering information, but they are just that. A starting point.

PS-He's losing the extra weight now, so enough with the goddammned fat jokes. Makes you sound like a child.

[buddylee]

Michael Moore is a fat, discusting, ignorant, piece of shit, that twists the truth for the sake of argueing just to be argueing.


In other words, I don't like the man. :D

he's a crock of steaming bullshit
what a green party loser

[GreenEarthAl]

What if I'm so far to the "left" myself that Michael Moore seems really moderate to me? I take what he says very seriously whether I think there's something to it or not. Millions of people went to see F911 in the theaters. He's the only person of any real progressive standing that I know to have accomplished that. I really don't know of any other progressive voice that has made it past the conservative media force feild to that degree, so I've no option but to take him seriously.

[zorra_chiflada]

What if I'm so far to the "left" myself that Michael Moore seems really moderate to me? I take what he says very seriously whether I think there's something to it or not. Millions of people went to see F911 in the theaters. He's the only person of any real progressive standing that I know to have accomplished that. I really don't know of any other progressive voice that has made it past the conservative media force feild to that degree, so I've no option but to take him seriously.

yeah, i feel the same about a lot of people in the public eye who are considered "left wing tree hugging commies" what he is saying is quite moderate. i think in the US (and in australia) we are used to a very narrow spectrum of political opinions (which are all from the right) so when someone expresses ideas that seem completely removed from anything we've seen in the media, people tend to automatically dismiss it as bullshit.
i don't completely agree with his politics, nor his methods of presenting them, but he's aight. i think he and his supporters see his filmmaking as a way of "restoring the balance."

[sheesh]

yeah, i feel the same about a lot of people in the public eye who are considered "left wing tree hugging commies" what he is saying is quite moderate. i think in the US (and in australia) we are used to a very narrow spectrum of political opinions (which are all from the right) so when someone expresses ideas that seem completely removed from anything we've seen in the media, people tend to automatically dismiss it as bullshit.
i don't completely agree with his politics, nor his methods of presenting them, but he's aight. i think he and his supporters see his filmmaking as a way of "restoring the balance."

Zorra, I disagree with you about Michael Moore but I DO agree with your statement that "when someone expresses ideas that seem completely removed from anything we've seen in the media, people tend to automatically dismiss it as bullshit." I form my own opinions. I don't let those on the right or left do it for me.

p.s. Love reading your posts. :)

[zorra_chiflada]

p.s. Love reading your posts. :)

:)

[Anne Lauren]

yeah, i feel the same about a lot of people in the public eye who are considered "left wing tree hugging commies" what he is saying is quite moderate. i think in the US (and in australia) we are used to a very narrow spectrum of political opinions (which are all from the right) so when someone expresses ideas that seem completely removed from anything we've seen in the media, people tend to automatically dismiss it as bullshit.
i don't completely agree with his politics, nor his methods of presenting them, but he's aight. i think he and his supporters see his filmmaking as a way of "restoring the balance."

Actually, Fox News seems to really be one of the only few "right winged" biased main sources of news out there...at least in the U.S.

I'm not just pulling my opinions about him out of my ass. Hell, I'll break out a damn research paper, complete with citations and all...I ain't scared. :eek:

[zorra_chiflada]

Actually, Fox News seems to really be one of the only few "right winged" biased main sources of news out there...at least in the U.S.



it's interesting that you say that - i obviously don't live in the US so i don't know heaps about it, but i've heard some people say that there isn't left wing media.
for example, i would consider both democrat and republican parties to be right-wing, but i know a lot of people don't see it that way.

[Anne Lauren]

it's interesting that you say that - i obviously don't live in the US so i don't know heaps about it, but i've heard some people say that there isn't left wing media.
for example, i would consider both democrat and republican parties to be right-wing, but i know a lot of people don't see it that way.

Well, typically, here in the U.S....democrats are associated with having more liberal, "put your trust in the Government", sort of views. Republicans are more conservative, "power in big businesses" people. However, now, a lot of the same opinions and views seem to be shared by both parties' politicians. Then again, both usually just say what ever they think will get them elected. Who knows...

And the media is always gonna be biased...that's why people need to do their own research and be able to draw their own conclusions.

[Medellia]

Actually, Fox News seems to really be one of the only few "right winged" biased main sources of news out there...at least in the U.S.
Maybe they are the only right-wing television station (although what would you call CBN? They're quite political and even farther to the right. And there are people that get their news from them), however there are several conservative newspapers and websites, and the vast majority of talk radio is right wing. And although most mainstream news outlets (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, etc.) are "unbiased" (a fallacy, as no news source is truly unbiased, some are just more biased than others) they are constantly accused of being left-wing and over-compensate. While they might not be right-wing they are wary of reporting a story that may be seen as having a liberal bias. So to say that FOX is one of a handful of right-wing news sources is just sticking your head in the sand.

[Anne Lauren]

Maybe they are the only right-wing television station (although what would you call CBN? They're quite political and even farther to the right. And there are people that get their news from them), however there are several conservative newspapers and websites, and the vast majority of talk radio is right wing. And although most mainstream news outlets (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, etc.) are "unbiased" (a fallacy, as no news source is truly unbiased, some are just more biased than others) they are constantly accused of being left-wing and over-compensate. While they might not be right-wing they are wary of reporting a story that may be seen as having a liberal bias. So to say that FOX is one of a handful of right-wing news sources is just sticking your head in the sand.

What is this like debate team or something?

What are you wantin' here? "Uhh...you win, I lose!" ?? :confused:

I'm not gonna change my mind...so settle down! Geeze.

[Medellia]

Hahaha, don't worry I'm not gonna go all QDrop on ya. Although I need to see some facts to back up your arguement. :p

[synch]

And the media is always gonna be biased...that's why people need to do their own research and be able to draw their own conclusions.
You did yours and found Moore to be "fat".

Great stuff.



Nah I'm just messing. I don't agree with your conclusions but fair enough, everyone is entitled to an opinion. I'd keep his appearance out of it though because as I said before, it's hard to take you seriously if you start talking about someone's weight.

[Medellia]

Synch is right on about the appearance thing.

[Anne Lauren]

You did yours and found Moore to be "fat".

Great stuff.



Nah I'm just messing. I don't agree with your conclusions but fair enough, everyone is entitled to an opinion. I'd keep his appearance out of it though because as I said before, it's hard to take you seriously if you start talking about someone's weight.

In all actuality, I'm not really losin' sleep over worrying about trying to be taken seriously, here on this board. Now, maybe if I were an attorney trying to pleed my case in a real life court room...yeah, I probably wouldn't include Michael Moore's appearances as a reason to back up my beleifs. ;)

However, it's safe to conclude, that I'm not an attorney in a court room, right now, pleeding my case. I'm sitting in my appartment typeing on a message board...therefore, I can say whatever the fuuuuuuuck I want to...so, HA! :p

[synch]

I like to think of this place as an extention of, you know, real life, not a parallel universe kind of thing. I act on here as I act in life and I know it's naive and silly but I tend to treat people on here the same I would treat people out there *points at window with nose*

Ah well.

[Anne Lauren]

I like to think of this place as an extention of, you know, real life, not a parallel universe kind of thing. I act on here as I act in life and I know it's naive and silly but I tend to treat people on here the same I would treat people out there *points at window with nose*

Ah well.

So...are you hinting that in real life off this board you wouldn't ask me to be in your wedding or be the God Parent to your first born child? :confused:

That's a little harsh, don't ya think? :D

[synch]

*rips up wedding invitation*

[Loppfessor]

What if I'm so far to the "left" myself that Michael Moore seems really moderate to me? I take what he says very seriously whether I think there's something to it or not. Millions of people went to see F911 in the theaters. He's the only person of any real progressive standing that I know to have accomplished that. I really don't know of any other progressive voice that has made it past the conservative media force feild to that degree, so I've no option but to take him seriously.


Hey that's your right man, at least you care enough to want to stay informed about what's going down in funkytown.