For all the lambasting of Bush's handling of Katrina, ...

[Funkaloyd]

...would Kerry really have done anything better? (Not a rhetorical question).

[zorra_chiflada]

...would Kerry really have done anything better? (Not a rhetorical question).
no.

[King PSYZ]

While Kerry wasn't much of a choice over Bush (I prefered crazy guy Dean, and Kerry all but handed Bush the election) I'd like to think nobody else would be as calous as to go golfing while a huge amount of people are drowning to death in the worst natural disaster in US recorded history. I'd also hope his cabinet wouldn't be out window shopping and cavorting around at the same time.

[GreenEarthAl]

For all the criticism that Hitler gets for being a big meanie, was Ghengis Khan really any better?

Well then.

[King PSYZ]

And was Gengis Khan really any worse than say Alexander or Caesar?

[infidel]

GW seems to prefer appointing non-qualified cronies to important posts.
Like to think that almost anyone else would have more sense.

[King PSYZ]

figures, par for the fuckin course with you.
not a god damned original statement is able to be posted by you is there?

[King PSYZ]

Please give examples and not just empty statements.
you're the last one who should be talking about empty statements.

[QueenAdrock]

haha justin <3

Seriously. I love how we talk about these subjects all the time on the board, and he then asks "Please give examples." GO LOOK IN THE OTHER 20 THREADS, DUMMY! :rolleyes:

[King PSYZ]

Please give examples and not just empty statements.
For shits and giggles:
How about the director of FEMA, you know the one who turns away donations of badly needed fuel and water and cuts emergency power and communications lines.
Yeah, you know just before this current gig he was a lawyer for a show horse association (what in the fuck it has to do with national disaster handling I havn't a clue...) and was fired for being completely inept at his job.

[Echewta]

the question makes no sense. Might as well have asked if you or me or anything else could have done better. Bush is the man. The only one. Its his position to take the shots. Such BS.

[Ali]

No, the damage was done and he would have been committed to staying in Iraq.

He'd have inherited a very, very nasty mess... maybe that's why he conceded so quickly.

[Funkaloyd]

For all the criticism that Hitler gets for being a big meanie, was Ghengis Khan really any better?
I'm not sure that I see what you're getting at. Khan wasn't in Hitler's position?

I'm not saying that Democrats are wrong to criticize Bush for his failiures in this matter, but it seems to me that the most obvious failiures (i.e. the defence forces which weren't and aren't on defence) could just as properly by applied to Kerry if he were President.

[Ali]

I'm not sure that I see what you're getting at. Khan wasn't in Hitler's position?

I'm not saying that Democrats are wrong to criticize Bush for his failiures in this matter, but it seems to me that the most obvious failiures (i.e. the defence forces which weren't and aren't on defence) could just as properly by applied to Kerry if he were President.Defense!

[zorra_chiflada]

it seems that bush supporters are making any excuse to take the blame off their president, refusing to admit he did any wrong. if kerry was president, i think that his supporters would have been more likely to swallow their pride and criticise their president.

[yeahwho]

The next time I make a spectacular fuck up, don't worry, "relax". I'm going to appoint a task force to investigate who fucked it all up.

Just the type of guy I am.

[Qdrop]

other than going golfing a few days ago...

will someone explain to me what GW did wrong concerning Katrina?

[Ali]

will someone explain to me what GW did wrong concerning Katrina?Pick a thread, any thread...

[Qdrop]

Pick a thread, any thread...

i've read them all...
and NO ONE has stated any truthful, credible, or rational reasons.

just connected imaginary dots, jumping the gun, and pulling shit out their asses....exploiting a tragic natural disaster for political criticism.

if you have something substantial and truthful to criticize him for....go for it.

i haven't seen any yet.


this has instantly become yet another liberal, "bush sucks" circle jerk....

[Ali]

this has instantly become yet another liberal, "bush sucks" circle jerk....Yeah, don't you love it?

[franscar]

will someone explain to me what GW did wrong concerning Katrina?

It took the guy four days to decide that the deaths of thousands of his citizens might be something he should return to work to deal with.

Four days.

[Qdrop]

Yeah, don't you love it?

...a little.



but it's still WRONG!


as enigma has stated....there IS so much TOO criticize him for....why do you need to make shit up?

[Ali]

...a little.



but it's still WRONG!


as enigma has stated....there IS so much TOO criticize him for....why do you need to make shit up?Because I hate his fucking guts and despise his administration and the people who voted him in.

Is that a good enough reason?

[Qdrop]

It took the guy four days to decide that the deaths of thousands of his citizens might be something he should return to work to deal with.

Four days.

it wasn't that long first of all.

second, much of the protocol and logistics of this response HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PRESIDENT...IT'S A REGIONAL/LOCAL LEVEL....and it was the regional efforts that failed miserabley. and it took the federal gov't this much time to plan the logicstics of bailing them out.

[franscar]

it wasn't that long first of all.

You aware of how many people died between the hurricane hitting and G.W. actually deciding to do something?

[Qdrop]

You aware of how many people died between the hurricane hitting and G.W. actually deciding to do something?

did you read the above response?

please don't make me repeat myself.

[checkyourprez]

i bet if this hurricane hit texas he woulda been out there with his cowboy hat in no time.

[franscar]

did you read the above response?

please don't make me repeat myself.

Yes, I read it. I also read and saw and heard that the regional and local people asked for help a week before they got it. But hey, it's not all that long is it?

[Qdrop]

Yes, I read it. I also read and saw and heard that the regional and local people asked for help a week before they got it. But hey, it's not all that long is it?

show me.

[franscar]

show me.

It's EVERYWHERE. You and I know that any link of any kind I put up you're going to dismiss out of hand, so why don't I save both of us the bother?

[Qdrop]

It's EVERYWHERE. You and I know that any link of any kind I put up you're going to dismiss out of hand, so why don't I save both of us the bother?

no no...let me see it first.
please, enligthen me.
show me the articles EVERYWHERE that show that the local/regional gov't had been asking the federal gov't and Bush for help/aid a week before the strong and that they were ignored.

show me.
maybe you're right.
let's see...

[bopst]

Anyone defending Bush in his handling of the Katrina is

1. An idiot of epic proportions
2. can't accept the truth
3. is a blind partisan
4. All of the above

end of fuckin' story...

[Qdrop]

Anyone defending Bush in his handling of the Katrina is

1. An idiot of epic proportions
2. can't accept the truth
3. is a blind partisan
4. All of the above

end of fuckin' story...
empty.

you make no argument and state no referances.....

[checkyourprez]

no no...let me see it first.
please, enligthen me.
show me the articles EVERYWHERE that show that the local/regional gov't had been asking the federal gov't and Bush for help/aid a week before the strong and that they were ignored.

show me.
maybe you're right.
let's see...


Q i see what your saying, and where your coming from. But i think your like me in the fact you like to argue(and win) and play the devils advocate on a lot of stuff.

Okay say they didnt ask Bush for help until later, but he is the president. Of the whole country. Hypothetically say they still havent asked for help, does that mean he wouldnt have done anything? Would that mean he shouldnt do anything?

Its hard to put a percise time or date in place when the federal government should have done something. But everyone was saying this hurricane would be huge, and really fuck some shit up. Bush and his administration had no shared responsibility with the regional/local people in the N.O. area?

How long did NY have to wait for help after 9/11? Did they even ask for it?(It sure got there fast though either way. A LOT faster than in N.O.

[Qdrop]

Q i see what your saying, and where your coming from. But i think your like me in the fact you like to argue(and win) and play the devils advocate on a lot of stuff. that is certainly not the case here.
if people would just calm down and fuckin think....

Okay say they didnt ask Bush for help until later, but he is the president. Of the whole country. Hypothetically say they still havent asked for help, does that mean he wouldnt have done anything? Would that mean he shouldnt do anything? i expect that HE would expect the regional gov't to have it under control if they didn't alert before hand.

the call appears to have gone out waaaaaay too late.
the federal gov't reacted as best they could during this cluster fuck.

Its hard to put a percise time or date in place when the federal government should have done something. But everyone was saying this hurricane would be huge, and really fuck some shit up. Bush and his administration had no shared responsibility with the regional/local people in the N.O. area? Protocol, man.
they were following protocol.

should Bush have called a bunch of times and said "hey, i know you guys haven't asked for shit yet...but...umm....are you guys cool?"

okay...sure....hang your hat on that if you wish.

i'd rather hang my hat on his criminal lies about Iraq for starters.

How long did NY have to wait for help after 9/11? Did they even ask for it?(It sure got there fast though either way. A LOT faster than in N.O.
2 very differant scenarios.

a terrorist attack on our country is IMMEDIANTLY a federal jurisdicition...

and what are you implying?
that GW hates black people?

[bopst]

It is inarguable that Bush failed and failed miserably with Katrina and to argue that he didn't fail, well then, tattoo I'm a fuckin' idiot on your forehead.

There's plenty of blame to go around, you are partially right, but Bush carries the lion's share of blame with complete and total incompetence handling the situation.

What will it take until Bush zombies realize he is the man least deserving of their loyalty? It boggles the mind. His administration is defined by their ineptitude.

Also, if this happened on Clinton's watch, Republicans would be rightfully creaming in their tighty whities blaming him regardless of the lapses on the local and state level. I mean, they went ballistic over a god damn blow job and yet, with thousands of people dying, they stand by their corporate shill like he is a fuckin' saint. The motherfucker was on a god damn 5 week vacation for Christ's sake! During a fuckin' war no less.

You fools supporting him are the epitome of ignorance.

[checkyourprez]

hah come on if i was going to say he hates black people i would have said it. i just think he has priorities.


id say something of this nature affects the whole country. drain on the economy, gas prices, problem with all those people and what to do with them, plus many other stuff. that sounds pretty federal to me q.

[Qdrop]

It is inarguable that Bush failed and failed miserably with Katrina and to argue that he didn't fail, well then, tattoo I'm a fuckin' idiot on your forehead.

There's plenty of blame to go around, you are partially right, but Bush carries the lion's share of blame with complete and total incompetence handling the situation.


yet you make no argument and state no referances....nothing.

hey, i can do that too:

Bopst is unquestionabley a goat blower. he LOVES to blow goats. if you don't think so, well then tatoo "i'm a fuckin idiot" on your forehead.

there's plenty of people who blow goats, sure...but bopst blows the most goats....and anyone can see that.



sound ok to you?
sound fair?

[Monsieur Decuts]

if i drive my car across a state border with some dope..that's trafficing across state lines and immediatly involves federal law. Shouldn't trafficing a natural disasster across state lines indicate someone will need to co-ordinate
the efforts between multiple "regional" governments. Obviously it was needed because they had to disperse people throughout the nation....but it certainly wasn't presented as a priority.

[yeahwho]

If you have the time...slow loading, everybody is watching it today....watch the video, it's highly entertaining.

Cheney being told to "Go Fuck Himself (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/08.html#a4856l)"

[laserx54]

qdrop, your a FUCKING moron if you can't figure out the arguments


and learn how to spell 'references' you sound like a FUCKING idiot

[Qdrop]

qdrop, your a FUCKING moron if you can't figure out the arguments


and learn how to spell 'references' you sound like a FUCKING idiot

who the fuck are you?
newb.

"can't figure out the arguments"....yeah, that ain't the issue.


"learn how to spell.."
sure, right after you learn how to use a peroid.

[laserx54]

um....yeah

i definitely registered at this site before you, "newb".



and you put those periods in


fuckin pathetic...

[King PSYZ]

Unless your name is Dick Morris, stop with the copy and paste propaganda. I'm tired of the political board being used for a right wing ad billboard.

[infidel]

So Red Cross was there ready to help.
Where was the federal Homeland Security and FEMA that we taxpayers spent tens of billions of dollars on?

Interesting account by a couple of paramedics from California that were attending the EMS conference in New Orleans that got stranded.
Sounds like everyone was screwing up
http://www.emsnetwork.org/artman/publish/article_18337.shtml

On Day 2, there were approximately 500 of us left in the hotels in the French Quarter. We were a mix of foreign tourists, conference attendees like ourselves, and locals who had checked into hotels for safety and shelter from Katrina. Some of us had cell phone contact with family and friends outside of New Orleans.

We were repeatedly told that all sorts of resources including the National Guard and scores of buses were pouring in to the City. The buses and the other resources must have been invisible because none of us had seen them.

We decided we had to save ourselves. So we pooled our money and came up with $25,000 to have ten buses come and take us out of the City. Those who did not have the requisite $45.00 for a ticket were subsidized by those who did have extra money. We waited for 48 hours for the buses, spending the last 12 hours standing outside, sharing the limited water, food, and clothes we had. We created a priority boarding area for the sick, elderly and new born babies. We waited late into the night for the "imminent" arrival of the buses. The buses never arrived. We later learned that the minute the arrived to the City limits, they were commandeered by the military.

[QueenAdrock]

who the fuck are you?
newb.

"can't figure out the arguments"....yeah, that ain't the issue.


"learn how to spell.."
sure, right after you learn how to use a peroid.

If you want to get nerdy about periods, there are always three periods in an ellipsis, except if it's a sentence, followed by an ellipsis, in which case there's 4 periods. :rolleyes:

I personally think it's lame to talk about grammar or spelling on the internet. Also using the word "newb" as an insult. Technically all of you are newbies to me (except for a certain few), since I've been around these boards since 1998. But calling people who've either registered later than me, or have less of a post count 'newbs' is kinda gay. I'm not proud of the fact that I've had nothing better to do at times than to go online and go to these boards. So to use my ultra-nerdiness against someone else of lesser nerdiness as an insult really just is demeaning towards me in the long run.

So in conclusion, stop with the lameness. I know it's the internet and we have to be lame, but goddamn.

I fully expect a reply telling me that I've used one too many comma splices.

[Medellia]

second, much of the protocol and logistics of this response HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PRESIDENT...IT'S A REGIONAL/LOCAL LEVEL....and it was the regional efforts that failed miserabley. and it took the federal gov't this much time to plan the logicstics of bailing them out.
The American people look to the President for comfort at times of national tragedy. People are angry not just because it took so long for him to respond at all, but because it felt half-assed when he finally did. Is that a good enough reason?

[Ali]

sure, right after you learn how to use a peroid. :p You, of all people, should not be telling people to learn to use a peroid...

I understand that your spelling might suck because of dyslexia (I hope that's the reason) but periods? Come on dude.

[Funkaloyd]

I understand that your spelling might suck because of dyslexia (I hope that's the reason)[INSERT COMMA HERE] but periods? Come on dude.

[Ali]

:p (insert finger here)

[Qdrop]

The American people look to the President for comfort at times of national tragedy. People are angry not just because it took so long for him to respond at all, but because it felt half-assed when he finally did. Is that a good enough reason?

well, i will concede that his vacationing and golfing escapades were a slap in the face.....
but has Bush EVER handled situations like this with much tact?

but...point taken, medillia.

[bopst]

Proof? Watch this.... (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/07.html#a4845)

[infidel]

The American people look to the President for comfort at times of national tragedy. People are angry not just because it took so long for him to respond at all, but because it felt half-assed when he finally did. Is that a good enough reason?Appointing unqualified cronies as a political favor doesn't help much either. The top five at FEMA have absolutely no experience in disaster relief or preparedness. It's just coming out today that FEMA's Brown whole resume was a lie.

[Qdrop]

Appointing unqualified cronies as a political favor doesn't help much either. The top five at FEMA have absolutely no experience in disaster relief or preparedness. It's just coming out today that FEMA's Brown whole resume was a lie.

you were supposed to leave for a week....

do you not keep up your end of the bargain?

[infidel]

you were supposed to leave for a week....

do you not keep up your end of the bargain?Fuck you, I have no deal with you

[Qdrop]

Fuck you, I have no deal with you

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=56011&page=2

[bopst]

Now this is politics....

[Bob]

to get back on topic (sort of)

i don't know about kerry, but it seems like al gore would have been a better choice at this point

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/09/katrina.gore.ap/index.html

i don't know if this has been posted already, i don't feel like looking. maybe it is a publicity stunt, but i don't care, it's still pretty cool.

[Documad]

maybe it is a publicity stunt, but i don't care, it's still pretty cool.
Yes. Frankly, anything that gives publicity to the fact that there is more that can and should have been done is fine.

[K-nowledge]

^ Just shows how pissed the Democratic party is for losing the election. Get over it and move on.

[valvano]

raising taxes is the foundation of any democratic solution to any problem.........that and additional govt programs, beaurocracy, etc