Who Says French Fries are Bad for You?!?!

[Ali]

Biodiesel is a natural and renewable domestic fuel alternative for diesel engines made from vegetable oils, mostly soy and corn. It contains no petroleum, is nontoxic and biodegradable.

Biodiesel burns clean, which results in a significant reduction of the types of pollutants that contribute to smog and global warming and emits up to 85% fewer cancer-causing agents. It is the only alternate fuel approved by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), has passed every Heath-Effects Test of the Clean Air Act and meets the requirements of the California Air Resources Board (CARB).

Biodiesel is made using an alcohol like methanol and a chemical process that separates glycerine and methyl esters (biodiesel) from fats or vegetable oils. Glycerine is used in many common products including soap and is highly marketable; therefore there is little waste in the process. That said, growing crops requires time and significant investment, and the fuel must be made and shipped to a local station. For these reasons biodiesel is more expensive than petroleum, gallon for gallon. This must be considered against the many economic advantages, however, that arise from a domestic form of fuel, a cleaner environment, an improvement in air quality, and a reduction of cancer-causing agents.

A “bootleg” form of biodiesel can be made from discarded cooking oils as collected from restaurants. The cooking oil must be put through a process before it can be used as fuel, but home-brewed biodiesel is not a legal form of the fuel as it isn’t subject to standards. more from Wisegeek (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-biodiesel-fuel.htm) biodiesel.org (http://www.biodiesel.org/)

With oil prices hitting 70 U$ pretty soon, don't you think it's time that EVERYBODY used biodiesel instead of petroleum-derived gasoline and diesel?

[QueenAdrock]

Well, not everyone could do that because the restaurants wouldn't pump out enough grease to support everyone who wanted to do it.

HOWEVER, I came up with a great idea! It'll be called the Lipomobile. It'll solve our obesity problem, and our gas shortage. It'll suck the fat out and turn it into gas, and voila! Healthy people, free car rides.

And once we're all skinny, I'll try to find a way to harness the power of ignorance in this country.

[Medellia]

How about a lipo-biodiesel hybrid? You can get the fat sucked out and use that to power your car, and then you can pig out on fries until you get your lard ass back. And while waiting for your next lipo session you can run your car on the veggie oil that was used to cook the fries you are munching on!

[TonsOfFun]

How about a lipo-biodiesel hybrid? You can get the fat sucked out and use that to power your car, and then you can pig out on fries until you get your lard ass back. And while waiting for your next lipo session you can run your car on the veggie oil that was used to cook the fries you are munching on!


That is the best idea I've ever heard. You could hook yourself up to the car to refuel as you drive. So one stop at a fast food place for a £2.88 meal and you could run for miles.

[Ali]

How about a lipo-biodiesel hybrid? You can get the fat sucked out and use that to power your car, and then you can pig out on fries until you get your lard ass back. And while waiting for your next lipo session you can run your car on the veggie oil that was used to cook the fries you are munching on!You are a genius (but Queenie beat you to it... grat minds!!!)

Do you know how easy it is to split water into hydrogen and oxygen and to use hydrogen to power a car/generate electricity, etc, producing only oxygen as an exhaust? Very... (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Hydrogen_from_Water)

The technology's been available for years, why are we STILL reliant on fossil fuels?

I want a car which runs on water (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Hydrogen_from_Water#Cars_on_Water). Why do I have to buy one which runs on diesel or petrol? I want a home generator which turns water into electricity and oxygenates the atmosphere at the same time. Why can't I get one?

I smell a rat (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_precious.jpg). These products are being kept from us by the people who profit from fossil fuel and associated technology. Have a look (http://pureenergysystems.com/) and see how much there is.

Why don't we hear of it anywhere else? Why is this technology not being used by everybody, everywhere?

[Medellia]

Heehee, thanks fellas. Ali, I was responding to what Queenie said. Just kinda stole what she said and went off of that. So credit where credit's due. I have to share the patent with her. (y)

[Ali]

Heehee, thanks fellas. Ali, I was responding to what Queenie said. Just kinda stole what she said and went off of that. So credit where credit's due. I have to share the patent with her. (y)Made me laugh, anyway!

No reply to my conspiracy theory?

Am I right, then?

[Medellia]

Made me laugh, anyway!

No reply to my conspiracy theory?

Am I right, then?
Heh, I just noticed you calling me a genius and replied to that. I kinda skimmed over the rest of it. :o

I'm not particullarly knowledgable on the subject, but a water powered car would be excellent if it works. Nice "rat" picture by the way. (y)

[Ali]

a water powered car would be excellent if it works. Excellent for YOU, not for Big Oil.

Did you see all the shit that these inventors have been copping?

[Medellia]

Yes, true. I wasn't thinking about what would be good for Big Oil though.

I've seen some of it, but not much.

[Ali]

Yes, true. I wasn't thinking about what would be good for Big Oil though.They are thinking about it.

Think about it. What would be the WORST thing for the energy companies? Free energy? Pretty much. Water-powered transport and water-powered electricty generators have been a reality for a very long time, yet you never hear about them, unless you look really, really hard. Have a browse through the links above, you'll be amazed at what there is!

[Qdrop]

With oil prices hitting 70 U$ pretty soon, don't you think it's time that EVERYBODY used biodiesel instead of petroleum-derived gasoline and diesel?


"...That said, growing crops requires time and significant investment, and the fuel must be made and shipped to a local station. For these reasons biodiesel is more expensive than petroleum, gallon for gallon."

come again?...

[Ali]

come again?...all over your face?

[QueenAdrock]

come again?...
We were talking about that in Soils, biodiesel is going to be more expensive because it's so new and not readily available, harder to make, blah blah.

I heard that hydrogen-powered cars would be just as expensive too, because the process to extract just hydrogen from water would use an enormous amount of energy.

I don't really care about the money as much as I do us running out of any form of oil/power and everyone rioting and looting and eating their next door neighbors because they have no idea how to get around without a car.

[Ali]

I heard that hydrogen-powered cars would be just as expensive too, because the process to extract just hydrogen from water would use an enormous amount of energy. Not on a small scale (http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Stories/001.1/). You even can produce hydrogen using solar (http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/h2homesystem.pdf) and wind (http://www.owen.eru.rl.ac.uk/documents/BWEA23/BWEA23_Pritchard_Hydrogen_paper.pdf) power. More links. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hydrogen+electrolysis&btnG=Google+Search)

I don't really care about the money as much as I do us running out of any form of oil/power and everyone rioting and looting and eating their next door neighbors because they have no idea how to get around without a car.W:)RD It doesn't have to be this way!

Click here (http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/watercar/h20car2.htm) to find out how to convert your car engine to run on water.

Interesting to hear that "President Bush has made a challenge to the American people to begin running our cars on hydrogen as soon as possible, and has allocated over one billion dollars for research to find out how to do that."

Is this true?
Not really. (http://www.grist.org/news/powers/2003/02/26/tough/)

One of the principal failures of the Bush plan is that the path it charts toward hydrogen does not lead simultaneously toward developing renewable energy sources; rather, it diverts funds away from them. According to the White House, only $720 million of the $1.2 billion Bush pledged for his hydrogen plan over the next five years is new money. The rest -- roughly 40 percent -- is comprised of funds redirected from the renewable-energy and energy-efficiency programs.

"President Bush is merely playing a shell game with these funds," says Patricia Monahan, a senior transportation analyst at the Union of Concerned Scientists. "The increases in the budget for hydrogen-related projects were very nearly matched by the decreases in the budget for energy efficiency and renewables." There are some legitimate reasons to invest in harvesting hydrogen from fossil fuels (as the Bush plan does), but an ambitious program, says Monahan, must also provide increased funding for efficiency and renewables development, both of which will provide the critical groundwork for the hydrogen economy.

Likewise, any plan geared toward a long-term energy shift must provide for short-term solutions along the way. Bush's plan does nothing of the sort. "The FreedomCAR is really about Bush's freedom to do nothing about cars today," says Ashok Gupta, the lead energy economist at the Natural Resources Defense Council. A plan that was serious about shifting toward hydrogen and protecting the environment would include provisions for stricter mileage standards for cars and trucks, as well as government procurement programs and improved tax incentives for green buildings, hybrid-engine cars, and other affordable innovations in energy efficiency. It would also significantly expand the use of renewable, nonpetroleum fuels such as ethanol. FreedomCAR... LOL. What next? Freedom Jails?

Yes, at the moment it is as expensive to produce Hydrogen, as it is fossil fuels, due to economies of scale and the fact that you need to make electricity to make Hydrogen. At the moment, electrolysis is considerably more costly than steam methane reformation -- first, because of economies of scale, and second, because the cost of electrolysis is contingent on the cost of electricity. According to Jon Slangerup, president and CEO of the Toronto-based hydrogen company Stuart Energy, it costs between $1.20 and $1.50 to manufacture one kilogram of hydrogen (which is roughly the energy equivalent to one gallon of gas) using steam methane reformation. Using one of Stuart Energy's electrolysis machines, it costs about $1.65 to manufacture the same amount of hydrogen -- provided that electricity costs just 3 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh).

Grid electricity in the U.S. typically runs between 6 and 8 cents per kWh. Wind energy can already be produced at around 5 cents per kWh, so it's feasible to have relatively cost-competitive hydrogen derived from wind power. But solar electricity costs roughly 20 cents per kWh, so today it would cost about 10 times more to produce hydrogen using solar as it would using natural gas.but it still beats the hell out of fighting costly wars for oil, surely? You don't need fossil fuels alone to produce electricity and the power requirements will diminish as the technology improves, if only the funds are made available for research...

[racer5.0stang]

Do you know how easy it is to split water into hydrogen and oxygen and to use hydrogen to power a car/generate electricity, etc, producing only oxygen as an exhaust?

Doesn't this process create alot of waste and require more energy to complete the process?

[Ali]

Doesn't this process create alot of waste and require more energy to complete the process?Perhaps... but no more than refining fossil fuel, and far less mess when the result is used to generate energy again.

The process is not cheap, yet, but it's a step in the right direction, a step away from fossil fuels.

[synch]

And once we're all skinny, I'll try to find a way to harness the power of ignorance in this country.
Nobody needs that much power.

[wanton wench]

How about a lipo-biodiesel hybrid? You can get the fat sucked out and use that to power your car, and then you can pig out on fries until you get your lard ass back. And while waiting for your next lipo session you can run your car on the veggie oil that was used to cook the fries you are munching on!
hahahahahahahahahahahah
i love this idea!