Protection?

[TonsOfFun]

Who carries a weapon? Not protection as in condom although I carry them also. I don't mean a martial art weapon or something large. Unless you do? I mean a like a tiny knife or mace or something you would probably use if you was attacked?

Although I know a little self defence, I always have at least one pocket knife on me and but I have a few knives. My favourite at the moment has a like a small blow torch at one end and a small hook knife at the other. And a bottle opener!

And even though I'm of the opinion that violence breeds violence, I know I wouldn't use it unless I was or someone else was in danger that couldn't help to full advantage without a knife. Or is there a danger that we (those that have a weapon) would use these against the innocent in some sort of un provoked road rage attack?

Most people I know carry some sort of weapon...

[CiaoBellaXO]

I carry mace with me at all times as well as a decent pocket knife in my car. I have had to use the mace once...

[Freebasser]

On a dark and dangerous night, I put my keys between my knuckles and make a shredder fist if I'm walking back through the ghetto.

Gots to be safe.

[Beckalina]

Today I have an oversized umbrella as protection, tommorow, who knows?

[boys_beastie]

I carry mace with me at all times as well as a decent pocket knife in my car. I have had to use the mace once...

i bet mace is pretty heavy to carry around, id rather carry posdnous

[mp-seventythree]

I don't think there's any point in carrying a weapon for protection. If somebody mugged you or just jumped you in the street, the chances are they would have a knife to your throat before you even realised what was happening.

I think being aware of your surroundings and of people around you is far more useful.

Knowing a few basic self defense moves doesn't hurt, but unless you're trained in some style of fighting you should only use it to buy yourself time (to run away).

[ms.peachy]

Most people I know carry some sort of weapon...
Dude, where the hell do you live that everyone needs to walk around armed?

[mp-seventythree]

He's from Up North

[mp-seventythree]

Sheffield to be exact, so there's plenty of steel around.

[Beckalina]

He's from Up North
HA HA ooooooooooh!

[boys_beastie]

ooh eee ooh ah ah ting tang walla walla bing bang

[Beckalina]

when?

[TonsOfFun]

Yeah, but I compliment my weapon with moves I learn in Tae Kwon Do. A few of us from the class often go to one side to practice self defence with weapons.

I've never had to use it and probably never will, Sheffield is a pretty safe and nice place. But you never know when you might find yourself up against a Chav in Manchester or Nottingham or somewhere backwards like that ;)

[ericlee]

This kinda thread was already done before

[zippo]

im too paranoid. if i carried a weapon around with me i couldnt avoid being nervous 24/7, thinking that i would stand up from a chair in a way just so the trigger would shoot my leg or when id be walking with my friend, shed make a joke, push me and when id make a move to not run into the fire hydrant with my leg, the blade of the knife would cut into it. or in a store i would imagine people seeing my gun and thinking i was gonna get them.

what would i do? when id be looking for a house or apt to rent/buy, id ask the sales lady "so, any robberies around here?"

[like2_drink]

i'd never own a gun. if someones in your house, a baseball bat is just as effective and a baseball bat isn't going to just accidently go off.

for out on the street i usually have a knife with me. now that the school year is back up i dunno, get caught with anything and i'm screwed.

[TonsOfFun]

yeah, owning a gun would be a bit extreme.

[mp-seventythree]

Yeah, but I compliment my weapon with moves I learn in Tae Kwon Do. A few of us from the class often go to one side to practice self defence with weapons.



Not trying to single you out here Adam, but if someone pulled a knife on you in public when you weren't expecting it (not that you would expect that sort of thing to happen), do you honestly think a weapon or any Tae Kwon Do moves would help you? If someone pulls a weapon, most people's reaction is to freeze (I've been there so I know).

[CrankItUp!]

A real man doesn't carry any weapons - that shit is for pussies.

[enree erzweglle]

I don't carry a weapon. When I run on the trails or if I run in the early morning when it's dark, I carry a personal alarm.

I could probably outrun anyone who came at me as long as he was alone and didn't take me by surprise. On the trails in the winter, you can see straight through the woods, so it's easy to see if someone is lurking. Not so easy in the summer so I'm a little more careful then and I go when the trails are more crowded.

I am hyper aware when I'm on the trails in general or when I walk to the gym in the early morning.

[mp-seventythree]

A real man doesn't carry any weapons - that shit is for pussies.

I agree.

[mp-seventythree]

I don't carry a weapon. When I run on the trails or if I run in the early morning when it's dark, I carry a personal alarm.

I could probably outrun anyone who came at me as long as he was alone and didn't take me by surprise. On the trails in the winter, you can see straight through the woods, so it's easy to see if someone is lurking. Not so easy in the summer so I'm a little more careful then and I go when the trails are more crowded.

I am hyper aware when I'm on the trails in general or when I walk to the gym in the early morning.


That's what I was talking about, awareness of your surroundings, and noticing anything out of the ordinary.

[enree erzweglle]

That's what I was talking about, awareness of your surroundings, and noticing anything out of the ordinary.
The most vulnerable time for me is when I walk to the gym because I do it at the same time every day and I walk the same route. Which has disadvantages (I'm too predictable) but advantages (I know the police patrol route and I know the other regulars, so I can more easily spot something out of the blue).

My biggest problem: in the very early morning when it's dark out, the sky is amazing--especially in the winter--and I tend to watch it instead of being aware of the things around me. It only takes one slip-up...I try hard, though, but mornings like this morning tempt me.

[TonsOfFun]

When I was mugged at knife point I did freeze. But it's supposed to be a reaction. Some training is worse than no training in my opinion. Although I was only 13...

[TonsOfFun]

Not trying to single you out here Adam, but if someone pulled a knife on you in public when you weren't expecting it (not that you would expect that sort of thing to happen), do you honestly think a weapon or any Tae Kwon Do moves would help you? If someone pulls a weapon, most people's reaction is to freeze (I've been there so I know).

And Yes

[mp-seventythree]

Well that's cool, but I'm guessing part of the martial arts training is to be aware of your surroundings anyway. Hopefully that would give you some kind of heads up that might avoid you being attacked in the first place.

[TonsOfFun]

I'm a big fucker so no one would. When I was attacked back in the day it took me months to go back into Sheffield town centre. No fucker could do that to me again. Anyone pulls a weapon, I'd have them on the floor within seconds and I'd leg it. If a few came at me I'd defend and attack and then leg it. If I have a knife on me during that 2nd attack I would use it to defend, which is the reason why I carry a knife - the blade I carry is only 4cm long. It could do damage but I'd have to have deadly accuracy!

[tracky]

I had a friend who was well into one of the martial arts, the name escapes me, but it's the one which teaches to use your attackers force against them. anyway, he had to pick his sister and her friend up from rowing practice, which is in a parklands area, it was fairly late on a week night, and when he got there he found them being hassled by a group of bungs, so he had to go over and try and get his sister away. He's not the type of guy to start shit, but there wasn't much choice but to try and rescue his sister from possibly being raped or something. I can't remember the exact details, but he got knifed, however he says he broke one of their arms, another one's nose, and reckons he did some damage to the others too. And I don't disbelieve him either. Moral of the story, martial arts didn't stop him getting knifed, but it did enable him to fight back effectively when there was absolutely no choice ie. the cunt pulled a knife on him and stabbed him in the arm as he tried to put himself between them and his sister. Personally, I don't carry anything, but I think like mp73 said just being aware of your surroundings is probably just as important.

[Bob]

i don't carry a weapon, but i've thought about it. i figure around here my biggest threat is frat boys who have had a bit too much to drink and haven't been able to get laid, so they'd opt for violence instead. in that situation there's usually a lot of guffawing and shoving and yelling before any kind of hits are landed, so having some kind of protection wouldn't be a bad idea, i'd think. i've had a knife randomly brandished at me before. i was walking back from a party with a group of friends (3 girls and another dude, a big guy too, probably the chief reason nothing really happened), and some big oaf was stumbling about in front of us, slowly. when we went to pass him, i'm pretty sure he pulled out a knife and just started flicking it in and out (it's one of those blades that...flicks in and out of the handle, you know what i mean). not in a particularly threatening or personal way, for all i know, he was too drunk to notice us, and he just liked playing with his knife, but i'm nearly positive he had one. he followed us for a while then said "fuck it, i'm out", and turned around (in the opposite direction that he was walking when we found him, which is odd, since it was a one way trail). we never knew he was in, but still, it was sobering (for us anyway)

that was 3 years ago and i still haven't started carrying anything around. i probably never will. like i'd know what do with a knife anyway.

[Mike k]

I don't think there's any point in carrying a weapon for protection. If somebody mugged you or just jumped you in the street, the chances are they would have a knife to your throat before you even realised what was happening.

I think being aware of your surroundings and of people around you is far more useful.

Knowing a few basic self defense moves doesn't hurt, but unless you're trained in some style of fighting you should only use it to buy yourself time (to run away).

It can't hurt to have a weapon on you of some sort you need to be aware like you stated but wouldn't you rather have the choice.

[CrankItUp!]

Are stun defense tazer guns ( like the cops carry ) even legal with a permit ? Let a fucking cop get a tazer in the back and the living shit shocked out of one of those motherfuckers ! Now that's deservable gratitude for the bastards. (y)

[HEIRESS]

my mother is a rape counsellor.

she makes me carry a knife.

[CJM]

my skate, and friends are all protection i need.

[Tzar]

sometimes i wish i was packing one of these (http://www.strategie.com.pl/teksty/zbrojownia/bron/bron/DesertEagle_3.jpg).

some fake ass gangsta starts on ya; just whip it out in his face *tommy-from-snatch styles*

[hitmonlee]

well its against the law to carry a weapon here - if the cops search you and you have any kind of knife you could go to court.

i carry a swiss army knife around though (pretty sure you can carry those, but if you're getting busted for drugs, they'll def try and put a weapon charge on you to). i use it mostly for opening bottles, emergency scissors, etc (i love swiss army products) but if i'm walking home alone at night, i usually pull the knife bit out and hold it in my hand, concealed under my sleeve.

its too blunt to do any damage really.

[ms.peachy]

I can't imagine wanting to carry a weapon around with me. It just seems to me that that would mean my view of the world had just become so cynical, I couldn't stand it. I mean as a woman, I can see a rape whistle, or a can of mace. But a knife or other destructive instrument - no.

[TonsOfFun]

I can't imagine wanting to carry a weapon around with me. It just seems to me that that would mean my view of the world had just become so cynical, I couldn't stand it. I mean as a woman, I can see a rape whistle, or a can of mace. But a knife or other destructive instrument - no.


That is kinda what I was getting at with the thread. Someone like me carries a knife. Someone reads it on here or sees me with it, thinks he should carry a weapon to, then before we know it - we've all got weapons and paranoid as shit. And now someone who uses in an act of rage rather than self defence ends up seriously hurting some one. Am I just adding to a already violent world. Am I a hypocrite for saying violence breeds violence but yet I have a knife on me?

It's a dilemma, but it comes in handy for other shit to, like a makeshift screw driver! :D

[mp-seventythree]

It could be a problem in that all these people are carrying weapons for their own protection. But what if that person became so paranoid (it happens) that they end up using the weapon in a pre-emptive stike? They only had the weapon to protect themselves, but got themselves so frenzied while worrying they might be attacked that they use it offensively.

You can go to jail for that shit, is it really worth it?
On the flipside of all this, I have a cosh that I keep in the house, and if someone broke in I wouldn't hesitate to use it, but that's a whole different ball game. It's a very effective weapon as you can see from the text below:


"A blackjack (known in British English as a cosh) is a small, easily-concealed weapon consisting of a leather-wrapped lead weight attached to the end of a leather-wrapped coil-spring or rigid shaft, with a lanyard or strap on the end opposite the weight. Materials other than lead and leather are sometimes used to construct these weapons.

Blackjacks are popular due to their low profile and small size, and their potential to inflict enormous damage on human beings.

A blackjack is sometimes referred to as a sap, which is the name for a weapon of similar design (also called a slapper), which has a flat profile as opposed to a cylindrical one.

A second variation on the sap is a sandsock or sandclub, which as the name implies, is a weapon of flexible sheath construction filled with a heavy, fragmented weight. The sand of a sandsock may in fact be sand, but is more likely to be lead shot. The covering may be a pouch of leather or heavy cloth, such as denim or canvas. The sandsock is almost universally used as an improvised weapon.

Blackjacks can be used to inflict devastating damage on bones and tissues, and are considered in many jurisdictions to be deadly weapons. Blackjacks are also illegal in many jurisdictions. Traditionally used by police officers, they have been replaced to a large extent by telescopic and side-handle batons."


Yeah, don't be breaking into my house unless you want some serious broken bones and shit.

[TonsOfFun]

^ yeah we have a couple of them. Funkin sweet aren't they! You use them the same way you use chucks. Same movement. And the same movement in poi as well which is no where near a weapon but fire poi was used by maorwi[sp?] as form as defence as it looks pretty meancing if you was coming to shore to attack them.

Lean poi if you wanna lean some super cool moves with them mp73

[Mr MC Mo]

i never leave my house without my trusty assualt rifle

[mp-seventythree]

some fake ass gangsta starts on ya; just whip it out in his face *tommy-from-snatch styles*

"A bit heavy innit'?"

"Heavy is good, if it doesn't work you can always hit him with it"

[enree erzweglle]

It can't hurt to have a weapon on you of some sort you need to be aware like you stated but wouldn't you rather have the choice.
I've been advised several times that people who aren't well trained to use the weapon that they carry are at greater risk of being hurt, themselves, by that same weapon. (If you're untrained, it's easy for the assailant to wrest the weapon from and use it against you.)

When my son was young and if we had found ourselves in a life situation that suggested that we needed hard protection, I might have considered getting training and carrying a weapon to protect him from getting hurt or seeing me get hurt. Fortunately, that situation never arose and now he's fully grown, has a brown belt in karate, so he's reasonably set.

Where I'm at in my life now--I couldn't carry a weapon to protect myself. If it came down to it, I don't think I could use it to hurt someone else even to save myself, and I wouldn't feel confident in my ability to use it correctly under that sort of stress.

This is a personal decision, isn't it.

[Dr Deaf]

i wanted to acquire a caché of weapons, but beth 'shot' that idea down.

so now i'm going to take kung-fu lessons instead. it's all about compromise .

[Tzar]

"A bit heavy innit'?"

"Heavy is good, if it doesn't work you can always hit him with it"

\m/

[Bob]

i've always kind of wanted to own a revolver. not for protection, hell, i don't think i'd even buy bullets, i just like revolvers, i like them alot. there's just something very stylish about them that i can't get over. i think i'd just play with it all day (unloaded, mind you), and flip the little...revolving...thing in and out of the gun. i'd spin it and twirl the gun and all that showy crap. i doubt i'd ever have the grapes to shoot it at someone though. it'd be purely for show.

[TonsOfFun]

i wanted to acquire a caché of weapons, but beth 'shot' that idea down.

so now i'm going to take kung-fu lessons instead. it's all about compromise .

My sister is so kind to her boyfriend. They have an assortment of weapons but she has to stop him when the swords come out after a few. I think they have about 5 swords? I want a collection of weapons to. But I'll always take lessons on how to use them cus you need to get the full use out of them. I cannot see the point in something you cannot use. Like collecting DVD's without a player would be a comparison.

Guns have never interested me, I know there is skill to them but it's a lazy skill in my opinion. Weapons and moves to compliment them is where it's at.

This, as you may of noticed has become a recent obsession for me. The art can look so beautiful even with only a few lessons. As long as you are using them right and put a few official moves together and it can look cool. A but like movie actor type people would take lessons in and look good even though they aren't experts.

[enree erzweglle]

My sister is so kind to her boyfriend. They have an assortment of weapons but she has to stop him when the swords come out after a few. I think they have about 5 swords? I want a collection of weapons to. But I'll always take lessons on how to use them cus you need to get the full use out of them. I cannot see the point in something you cannot use. Like collecting DVD's without a player would be a comparison.How do you get full use out of a sword collection? Iron chef?

[cosmo105]

i sleep with my nunchaku by my pillow. i don't need anything other than my hands, feet, elbows, knees, and teeth to protect me during the day.

[mp-seventythree]

i don't need anything other than my hands, feet, elbows, knees, and teeth to protect me during the day.

I heard that those are pretty much all you need. From experience, if you can manage to get two fingers just in where the neck and collar bone meet, most people will crumple there and then.....it's really unpleasant (try doing it to yourself lightly and you'll see what I mean).

And if you decide to punch your assailant, do it with an open palm and strike with the heel of your hand. You can easily break somebody's jaw or nose doing this, giving you valauble time to get away.

[Bob]

I heard that those are pretty much all you need. From experience, if you can manage to get two fingers just in where the neck and collar bone meet, most people will crumple there and then.....it's really unpleasant (try doing it to yourself lightly and you'll see what I mean).

And if you decide to punch your assailant, do it with an open palm and strike with the heel of your hand. You can easily break somebody's jaw or nose doing this, giving you valauble time to get away.

here's something i read in a book once, that i'm wondering if it actually works. you cup your hand, and you hit somebody really hard on the ear. the air pressure, or wind, or something, i don't know, travels down the ear and pops the eardrum, putting the person in alot of pain and making them deaf (well, half-deaf). does that actually work?

[mp-seventythree]

Not sure about that but I wouldn't want to try it in case it does work!
My friend used to work as a doorman at a club, and to get his licence he had to go through self defence and training to disable (not permanently) assailants. One he showed me is to approach the person from behind, grab the top of one of their ears and lift, whilst simultaneously jabbing a finger in the soft spot behind the other ear. It makes the person almost black out - he did it to me and my vision was like a tv that wasn't tuned in, and I got a terrible ringing in my ears for about 10 minutes after.....very effective but he could have just told me about it :rolleyes:

[Bob]

Not sure about that but I wouldn't want to try it in case it does work!
My friend used to work as a doorman at a club, and to get his licence he had to go through self defence and training to disable (not permanently) assailants. One he showed me is to approach the person from behind, grab the top of one of their ears and lift, whilst simultaneously jabbing a finger in the soft spot behind the other ear. It makes the person almost black out - he did it to me and my vision was like a tv that wasn't tuned in, and I got a terrible ringing in my ears for about 10 minutes after.....very effective but he could have just told me about it :rolleyes:

haha. i'll have to try that on the next drunken frat boy i see (not serious)

[enree erzweglle]

I heard that those are pretty much all you need. From experience, if you can manage to get two fingers just in where the neck and collar bone meet, most people will crumple there and then.....it's really unpleasant (try doing it to yourself lightly and you'll see what I mean).

And if you decide to punch your assailant, do it with an open palm and strike with the heel of your hand. You can easily break somebody's jaw or nose doing this, giving you valauble time to get away.
My son took karate for several years. He has a brown belt and he still teaches me things just like what you mentioned. Then he makes me practice everything on him.

Sometimes he clouseau-kato style attacks me and I scream like a little girl.

This is his way of trying to lure me into wrestling with him again. He's got at least 50# on me; wrestling is something that I only do with him when I'm completely padded up. He misses the wrestling, but he won't admit it. I eye this (http://media.canada.com/cp/sports/20030429/s042938a.jpg) sort of thing up more than I should.

[mp-seventythree]

If you went out in public wearing that stuff, firstly I doubt anyone would attack you....secondly, if they did you probably wouldn't notice :cool:

[like2_drink]

A real man doesn't carry any weapons - some dead guy.
:rolleyes:

[enree erzweglle]

If you went out in public wearing that stuff, firstly I doubt anyone would attack you....secondly, if they did you probably wouldn't notice :cool:
:D :D

[CrankItUp!]

:rolleyes:
Those are your words - not mine you fucker.

[like2_drink]

Those are your words - not mine you fucker.


haha calm down man, it was a joke

[Beth]

dr deaf acts like i'm a control freak. owning firearms has never appealed to me and i made that very clear the day we went shooting guns (yes, how ironic that my avatar is me with a gun).

he knew what he was getting into.

[ms.peachy]

dr deaf acts like i'm a control freak. owning firearms has never appealed to me and i made that very clear the day we went shooting guns (yes, how ironic that my avatar is me with a gun).

he knew what he was getting into.
You also have young kids in your home. I don't think I could ever feel comfortable having guns in my home with kids. And I would want to know if they're hanging out quite a bit at a friend's house, if those people have guns. Because I don't care how safe you think you are with having your guns locked up or hidden or whatever or how much or how well you think you have taught your kids about firearm safety and respect and all that, the fact is that kids are sneaky, clever, curious little bastards.

[boys_beastie]

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[TonsOfFun]

Guns should be illegal everywhere!

America might be a nicer place if it wasn't for guns.

I mean, seriously if someone goes into a gun shop they can have a gun within a few weeks after filling out some forms? WTF? Or so I heard, I hope it's harder than that to get a gun. Places where there is a serious risk of attack from animals then maybe it should be that easy. Not for hunting either cus I'm against that.

[enree erzweglle]

You also have young kids in your home. I don't think I could ever feel comfortable having guns in my home with kids. And I would want to know if they're hanging out quite a bit at a friend's house, if those people have guns. Because I don't care how safe you think you are with having your guns locked up or hidden or whatever or how much or how well you think you have taught your kids about firearm safety and respect and all that, the fact is that kids are sneaky, clever, curious little bastards.
When my kid was very young, it was easy to know whether he was hanging out in homes with guns. I knew each of his friends and their parents. At those young ages, you're much more involved as a parent and it's easy to know nearly everything about most things. Most of the other parents and I talked about this stuff and what we allowed/disallowed in the house.

The real challenge came for me when my boy got older and more independent, and, naturally, I became less in the know about most things. When he started to make friends with kids I didn't know and whose families I didn't know, I went on faith and intuition that things would work out.

I took opportunities to meet the friends and their parents when I could, but as my kid reached middle-teen years and became more and more independent, those opportunities became increasingly scarce.

It would have been easy (and it was tempting) to control every aspect of his life so that he'd be safe and do/not do particular things. But I didn't want to raise him that way.

I found that aspect of parenting to be probably the most challenging--knowing how to walk the line so that I was involved and recognized his independence, but also so that I would know when things crossed a line.

I hoped and still hope that everything I taught my kid stuck and that he'd find a bit of good luck along the way.

[Monsieur Decuts]

if any suckas step I tell them

http://www.moviewavs.com/cgi-bin/mp3s.cgi?Anchorman_The_Legend_Of_Ron_Burgundy=fist icuffs.mp3

[wanton wench]

i dont really carry protection! i have a small pocket knife but i live in such a small town that i dont really need it. for instance if someone was bothering me at the bar all i would have to do is stand up and say 'hey guys" and about 6 or 7 big burley hairy teddy bear looking men would proceed to kick his ass. so its all good. i feel safe!

aahhh its great to live in the south! (sarcastically speaking) ;)