"NO BLACK LOOTERS IN OUR TOWN...LET EM DIE!"

[Qdrop]

http://www.airamericaradio.com/node/887

Gretna Sheriffs Doomed Hundreds to Death and Misery on Bridge

-Numerous eyewitness accounts from people trying to escape from New Orleans on foot, simply by walking across a bridge to safety in Jefferson Parish confirm; they were stopped by armed Jefferson Parish sheriffs, who threatened them with guns, fired in the direction of the crowds, and refused to allow foot traffic to cross the bridge, dooming many to death and despair. The sheriffs were afraid their suburban town would be looted if they allowed the mostly black New Orleans residents to escape to the east. The president of Jefferson Parish is Aaron Broussard.
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fucking insane...

corroborate by numerous sources too....



none the less....their fears WERE supported/confirmed by actual surrounding events by numerous groups...were they not?

it's difficult to call these sherriff's and townies "racist" or "ignorant stereotypers" if those stereotypes are being supported all around them....

[boys_beastie]

:eek: :mad:

[laserx54]

NO, if their such great sheriffs then why don't they guard the stores and stuff seeing as how that is their #1 concern


fucking assholes should rot in hell.

[valvano]

so letting the criminals into your area, they commit a crime, and then arrest them makes more sense than just keeping them out of your area??

:confused:

[Qdrop]

so letting the criminals into your area, they commit a crime, and then arrest them makes more sense than just keeping them out of your area??

:confused:

but would that be implying that they are ALL criminals?

the mass majority of them are likely not....they are just people trying to survive.

[baltogrl71]

maybe now people will start to see that racism in every form black, jewish, asian, what ever is very alive in this country. There will never be peace anywhere until we look at each other and the world as life, just life.

[Bob]

but would that be implying that they are ALL criminals?

the mass majority of them are likely not....they are just people trying to survive.


oh well, you know, better safe than sorry. it's ok, they're only minorities

[boys_beastie]

not in new orleans...

[Laver1969]

I grew up in Jefferson Parish and back in the 80s Sheriff Harry Lee put up a barricade/wall to separate Orleans Parish from Jefferson Parish and keep the riff raff out.

This was seen as racist by many and he got a lot of heat.

New Orleans is an interesting city because on St. Charles Avenue you have a lot of "old money", multi-million dollar, very old/historic homes that sit literally two blocks from high-crime neighborhoods.

As far as the police stopping people from crossing the CCC to Gretna and the Westbank...you can spin that several ways. First, they wanted to keep everyone in one location for their own safety during the rescue/relief efforts (if those relief efforts would have started in a timely fashion). Or, there was nothing for them to escape to on the Westbank...so you might as well keep everyone in one place. Or, everyone it was truly a racist move.

Although I'm not sure of the demographics of Gretna but...I know it's not all-white.

[K-nowledge]

And I'm sure thier sheriff department is not all white either.

[Laver1969]

And I'm sure thier shariff department is not all white either.

I got some quick demographics. Gretna is 56% white and 35% black. As of 2000 statistics the New Orleans Police Department had 54% black officers.

[EN[i]GMA]

I really can't see this as beneficial or positive, in any way.

[King PSYZ]

so letting the criminals into your area, they commit a crime, and then arrest them makes more sense than just keeping them out of your area??

:confused:
ahh the pitter patter of a goosestepper...
as of this statement I really could care less if you ever posted again.

[valvano]

thats right, when cant argue a point, just call somebody a name....

[King PSYZ]

What point, that you're a racist?

[valvano]

no, those folks from new orleans should blame their fellow neighbors for looting, raping, pillaging, etc, thus giving all of new orleans a bad name....

its not a race thing, even though such liberal suck ups as yourself love to throw out the "racist" term when you can't make an arguement or defend a point of view

now, since you agree that most of new orleans was black, then most of the city workers are black as well,

here is DEMOCRATIC SENATOR Landriue from LA on Fox Sunday:

WALLACE: But I'd like you to answer, if you could, this one specific question.

LANDRIEU: Well, I will. I will answer it. I am not going to level criticism at local and state officials. Mayor Nagin and most mayors in this country have a hard time getting their people to work on a sunny day, let alone getting them out of the city in front of a hurricane. And it's because this administration and administrations before them do not understand the difficulties that mayors — whether they are in Orlando, Miami, or New Orleans — face.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169133,00.html

Now, this WHITE DEMOCRATIC senator has basically accused the largely minority city employees of NO of being lazy, barely able to work "on a sunny day" much less during a hurricane.....

When is Howard Dean, Jesse Jackson, the NAACP, the DNC, MoveOn.org, Ted Kennedy, the Gov of LA, the Mayor of LA, the New York Times, and all the other libs going to denounce her as quickly and verociously as they would if, say, Bill Frist or Karl Rove had said such a stupid thing??

Instead, we just continue to hear "blame bush, blame bush". well today i think i saw were bush took responsibility for the failings of fema, etc.

when is the mayor of NO, the gov of LA going to do likewise??

[King PSYZ]

I love how he refers to refugees of a class 5 hurricane as Criminals. Almost more so than when he pretends to think it's accpetable for rouge shariffs to close off the only means of escape to people because of their race.

Guess what pal, this is still America the free. The right wing hasn't won everything yet, and people of any creed, color, nationality, religion, and description are still allowed to walk this country freely. Those sheriffs should be hung from the very bridge they stopped people from crossing for what they did. As anyone else who thinks thats acceptable behavior of a civil servant in a time of need, or any time for that mater.

[King PSYZ]

no, those folks from new orleans should blame their fellow neighbors for looting, raping, pillaging, etc, thus giving all of new orleans a bad name....

its not a race thing, even though such liberal suck ups as yourself love to throw out the "racist" term when you can't make an arguement or defend a point of view

now, since you agree that most of new orleans was black, then most of the city workers are black as well,

here is DEMOCRATIC SENATOR Landriue from LA on Fox Sunday:

WALLACE: But I'd like you to answer, if you could, this one specific question.

LANDRIEU: Well, I will. I will answer it. I am not going to level criticism at local and state officials. Mayor Nagin and most mayors in this country have a hard time getting their people to work on a sunny day, let alone getting them out of the city in front of a hurricane. And it's because this administration and administrations before them do not understand the difficulties that mayors — whether they are in Orlando, Miami, or New Orleans — face.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169133,00.html

Now, this WHITE DEMOCRATIC senator has basically accused the largely minority city employees of NO of being lazy, barely able to work "on a sunny day" much less during a hurricane.....

When is Howard Dean, Jesse Jackson, the NAACP, the DNC, MoveOn.org, Ted Kennedy, the Gov of LA, the Mayor of LA, the New York Times, and all the other libs going to denounce her as quickly and verociously as they would if, say, Bill Frist or Karl Rove had said such a stupid thing??

Instead, we just continue to hear "blame bush, blame bush". well today i think i saw were bush took responsibility for the failings of fema, etc.

when is the mayor of NO, the gov of LA going to do likewise??
You fuck, twisting the statement of someone saying city employees are hard to get motivated into a racist epitaph and comparing it to the closing off of a means of escape from a disaster zone based on the color of their skin and where they live is the most retarded thing I have ever read here.

Guess what, city employees are lazy. If you got paid shit wages to do meanial jobs you wouldn't be motivated either. And if your house was being flooded the last place you'd go is work. Don't you have a hitler youth meeting to attend?

[valvano]

good job defending landrieu.........

so if employees of the govt are lazy as you now agree, then you must also agree that folks in NO were stupid to rely on the same lazy govt employees to help them out of their jam....

so what is the difference then between landrieu saying the largely black city employees of NO are lazy and the largely black refugees of NO are looters???

you are basing both on race.........

you see, when you base your thought process upon the lastest moveon.org press release...you lose your ability to think for yourself, you dont see things as clearly, you thoughts are based on feelings instead of reality...

in other words, making you look like your typical liberal PC Howard Dean koolaid drinking drone is like shooting fish in a barrell

:eek:

[King PSYZ]

so if employees of the govt are lazy as you now agree, then you must also agree that folks in NO were stupid to rely on the same lazy govt employees to help them out of their jam....

so what is the difference then between landrieu saying the largely black city employees of NO are lazy and the largely black refugees of NO are looters???

you are basing both on race.........

You're the one basing things on race mister, way to shift blame. That come in the Reagan/Nazi Youth handbook?

You're using race in a place that it is irrellevant. You think that the population of New Orleans (it's not that hard to type) are looters, I never said that. And show me the exact quote where this guy directly says "the largely black city employees are lazy". Because again, in cities all over in every state there are lazy city employees.

And I will not agree that the people of New Orleans are stupid as you put it for depending on the government they pay their taxes to to make sure that their duties are taken care of. You place far too much weight of this on Local Government just to make King Bush look better in your eyes. Well I got news for you, your fearless leader has finally dropped the charade that he's unfallable and admitted he fucked up. So stop this damned smear campaign against the victims of Katrina and the Local Governments. Every one of you muck raking right wing zealots should be ashamed of yourselves. It was bad enough when it was done with the 9/11 attacks, but twice in one decade? deplorable.

[King PSYZ]

Also for the record racist, I don't read or subscribe to moveon.org or any other extremist webblog. I do think for myself, maybe that's why I'm so scary to you.

[infidel]

Me thinks valvano has been hanging out with gismo too much

[SobaViolence]

that was an interesting thread to go through....

[racer5.0stang]

This entire situation is screwed up. What sense does it make to loot the town for items that you don't need and/or can't use? And then when you receive help continue to loot. :confused:

[King PSYZ]

What does that have to do with this thread?
There are criminals in every city unfortunatly, and when the police go running scared and abandon their city, guess what those criminals run free and unchecked. So to catergorize the entire population based on the criminal element is a horrible diservice.

Also, more than likely, while these people who were shot at were trying to reach saftey. The looters were staying behind and partaking of the spree. These people were marginalized based on biased and reactionary media reports.

Those who couldn't get out and got food and water and other essentials from the flooded storefronts are far from looters. They're survivors, stepping up when the government that's sworn to protect them fails. The food would have been destroyed and or spoiled by the time the waters had receeded and/or things got back to normal. So I don't really see the harm. TV's and shit like that? Well like I said, welcome to 2005 there are criminals living in every city...EVEN YOURS! :eek:

[QueenAdrock]

It makes about as much sense as a CEO of Enron making off with all the office supplies after a long day of insider trading. I mean, sure, no one NEEDS that many staplers, but it'll look nice next to your wads of cash back at home.

[King PSYZ]

Well, how else would he staple all that cash to the hooker?

[Ali]

so letting the criminals into your area, they commit a crime, and then arrest them makes more sense than just keeping them out of your area??

:confused:Why didn't they just set up a machine gun at one end of the bridge and mow the fuckers down as soon as they set foot on it?

Same result. Kinder, actually. </sarcasm>

Hey, newsflash for you: people are not criminals until they've committed a crime, even if they are black.

[valvano]

ahhh, the cry of "racists", the last line of defense a liberal has when their flawed logic has been exposed


:D

[ms.peachy]

ahhh, the cry of "racists", the last line of defense a liberal has when their flawed logic has been exposed


:D
Oh yeah boy you should really celebrate, you've sure shown everyone here who's really put together a well-constructed argument.

[Ali]

Oh yeah boy you should really celebrate, you've sure shown everyone here who's really put together a well-constructed argument.or a baited hook?

[Qdrop]

king psych is out of line.

i see no evidence of valvano being a racist....
nor do any of you.....King just played the "race card" (forced it, really) to gain a make-believe edge...and the rest of you just followed along like lemmings.

why do you people need to act like lemmings? why why why....

[Qdrop]

you see, when you base your thought process upon the lastest moveon.org press release...you lose your ability to think for yourself, you dont see things as clearly, you thoughts are based on feelings instead of reality...



ahahah.....
that's more than half the posters on this section....

and you all fuckin know it.

[Ali]

ahahah.....
that's more than half the posters on this section........and others base their opinions on the lastest (sic) stormfront.org press release

... so what's your point?

[Qdrop]

... so what's your point?

to think for yourself.

stay away from the agenda pushers....or at least put your filters on when you do listen to them....from either side.

[YoungRemy]

why put quotations around a statement you made up?



"NO BLACK LOOTERS IN OUR TOWN...LET EM DIE!"

[Qdrop]

why put quotations around a statement you made up?
personal commentary.....on my part.

it's not meant to imply that anyone else actually said that.


i just figured (correctly) that that was how many of the liberal posters would view that report.

[racer5.0stang]

What does that have to do with this thread?
There are criminals in every city unfortunatly, and when the police go running scared and abandon their city, guess what those criminals run free and unchecked. So to catergorize the entire population based on the criminal element is a horrible diservice.

Unfortunatly, you have to take the good with the bad. My position is why are these people, regardless of color, stealing from each other? Now I can see stealing out of necessity such items like food, clothing, camping gear, etc. But why steal things that you can't use because you don't have a house let alone electricity to use them. Get a portable radio and some batteries leave the 52" plasma t.v. at the store.

Also, more than likely, while these people who were shot at were trying to reach saftey. The looters were staying behind and partaking of the spree. These people were marginalized based on biased and reactionary media reports.

The looters were taking part in the spree way before this moment, so wouldn't they try to go to another town? Maybe they think they could get some stuff that isn't floating in the water. What is the bias here, that they were black so that means all black people are looters? Get real. If a friend of yours is a thief, are you going to ask him/her to housesit while you are gone?

Those who couldn't get out and got food and water and other essentials from the flooded storefronts are far from looters. They're survivors, stepping up when the government that's sworn to protect them fails. The food would have been destroyed and or spoiled by the time the waters had receeded and/or things got back to normal. So I don't really see the harm.

Nothing would be said if that was all they were taking. They were probably taking the t.v.'s before they took the food.

They got greedy.

Well like I said, welcome to 2005 there are criminals living in every city...EVEN YOURS!

Well I guess that excuses their actions completely.

[King PSYZ]

I am at a loss for how thick headed some of you people are. I like how valvano has claimed I used the race card when it is himself who tried to make it into a race issue and it's clear as day, comparing two comepletly disprate statements and adding a racial spin on them. And then saying I used the race card when I had no other recourse for argument? What the hell, the only one who I have not see defend their statements or challenge mine is valvano by just crying "oh yes call me racist like every other liberal when you can argue a point".

Don't marginalize me into one of your political pigeonholes, while on many issues I might be seen as a liberal, on several issues I would be seen as a conservative. But I don't align myself with either extreme.

Then the racer comes in and keeps trying to shift the focus back to people looting plasma tvs, what does that have to do with sherrifs shooting at civillians trying to escape the rising flood waters? Nothing, unless they were all carrying plasma tvs on theri backs...

QDrop, I already made it quite clear I don't need to get my opinions from somewhere else. But it is funny seeing clearly far right wingers rally behind this cry since they all speak the mantras they read on the far right webblogs/fox news.

In summation, valvano tried to bring race into an argument where it wasn't necassary and put words in mine and others mouth to put that spin on it. It's very simple his statement about percieving someone guilty of an unseen crime based on the color of theri skin or where they reside is outrageous. Those sherrifs had no right to do that, unless Jefferson Parish is a soverign nation and nobody told the rest of the united states of america.

racer is just an alias that pops up to throw support to sisko/valvano when they're done painting themselves in a corner.

and qdrop, being that it's your thread and you seemed just as disgusted by these events as I was I don't even know where you're coming form. Nobody has yet to refute anything I said with anything original or more than a defensive cry.

[Qdrop]

and qdrop, being that it's your thread and you seemed just as disgusted by these events as I was I don't even know where you're coming form. Nobody has yet to refute anything I said with anything original or more than a defensive cry.

my point of my first post was to stimulate debate...which is what happened.

at first glance....this act DOES seem unbelievable....i mean, as if every person coming across that bridge was a criminal looter on the hunt.

what i wanted discussion on was if there was ANY justification for those sheriff's actions.
of the people left in the city at that point...many were impoverished (desparate), some were released criminals from the regional jails....
and there WAS looting and violence taking place throughout the city.

when does the sheriff's action cease to be racist.....and start to be defendable, pro-active actions to protect his community?


and i just read through this thread again....valvano made no racist comments. he based his assessment of the people on the bridge being criminals on reports of the looting, violence that was taking place throughout the area, and that those that stayed behind WERE mostly the impoverished and the released criminals.
whether or not his assessment was fair or valid (feel free to debate that)...there were no racial undertones.
i suppose you could call him a classist....

you were the first and only to accuse someone of racism....and unjustly so.

[baltogrl71]

if they killed people why are they not being charged like the people at the retirement home?

[King PSYZ]

my point of my first post was to stimulate debate...which is what happened.

at first glance....this act DOES seem unbelievable....i mean, as if every person coming across that bridge was a criminal looter on the hunt.

what i wanted discussion on was if there was ANY justification for those sheriff's actions.
of the people left in the city at that point...many were impoverished (desparate), some were released criminals from the regional jails....
and there WAS looting and violence taking place throughout the city.

when does the sheriff's action cease to be racist.....and start to be defendable, pro-active actions to protect his community?


and i just read through this thread again....valvano made no racist comments. he based his assessment of the people on the bridge being criminals on reports of the looting, violence that was taking place throughout the area, and that those that stayed behind WERE mostly the impoverished and the released criminals.
whether or not his assessment was fair or valid (feel free to debate that)...there were no racial undertones.
i suppose you could call him a classist....

you were the first and only to accuse someone of racism....and unjustly so.

Read his post where he quotes the "WHITE DEMOCRATIC senator", might I add using race. Then puts words into peoples mouths "now, since you agree that most of new orleans was black, then most of the city workers are black as well," "accused the largely minority city employees of NO of being lazy, barely able to work "on a sunny day" much less during a hurricane.....
" when the actual quote was
LANDRIEU: Well, I will. I will answer it. I am not going to level criticism at local and state officials. Mayor Nagin and most mayors in this country have a hard time getting their people to work on a sunny day, let alone getting them out of the city in front of a hurricane. And it's because this administration and administrations before them do not understand the difficulties that mayors — whether they are in Orlando, Miami, or New Orleans — face.
So yes he tried to make this into a racial thing out of nothing. Considering regardless of city workers in New Orleans, we're discussing the morality and legality of some sheriffs of closing off a public road.

[Qdrop]

Read his post where he quotes the "WHITE DEMOCRATIC senator", might I add using race. you called him a racist before he posted that.
he posted that to show how a democratic electee made a "possible" racist remark...and got no flack from the democrats.

Then puts words into peoples mouths "now, since you agree that most of new orleans was black, then most of the city workers are black as well," he was referring to the other posters who were listing off the statistics..



i don't know why i'm fighting valvano's fight for him....

[King PSYZ]

i don't know why i'm fighting valvano's fight for him....
Because he won't?

[racer5.0stang]

Then the racer comes in and keeps trying to shift the focus back to people looting plasma tvs, what does that have to do with sherrifs shooting at civillians trying to escape the rising flood waters? Nothing, unless they were all carrying plasma tvs on theri backs....

First of all the waters are not rising any longer but instead are going down due to the city pumping the water out. Second, I merely commented on people stealing unnecessary items and pointed out their greed over their need to acquire items to help them survive. As far as the sheriffs shooting at the people I'm sure the people were innocent and didn't deserve what the police officers did to pursuede them to back off.

racer is just an alias that pops up to throw support to sisko/valvano when they're done painting themselves in a corner.

Now we have resorted to name calling. Something that usually happens when all other resources have been exhausted while in a debate. Maybe you should just go back to beastie free until you can come up with a valid response other than "Because I said so, stinky face."

[King PSYZ]

At the time they were pushed back the waters were rising.

[racer5.0stang]

At the time they were pushed back the waters were rising.

According to a QUICK Google search, this incident happend on September 9th. The pumps were in operation as of September 4th.

[King PSYZ]

According to a QUICK Google search, this incident happend on September 9th. The pumps were in operation as of September 4th.
By day 4 our hotels had run out of fuel and water. Sanitation was dangerously abysmal. As the desperation and despair increased, street crime as well as water levels began to rise. The hotels turned us out and locked their doors, telling us that the "officials" told us to report to the convention center to wait for more buses. As we entered the center of the City, we finally encountered the National Guard. The Guards told us we would not be allowed into the Superdome as the City's primary shelter had descended into a humanitarian and health hellhole. The guards further told us that the City's only other shelter, the Convention Center, was also descending into chaos and squalor and that the police were not allowing anyone else in. Quite naturally, we asked, "If we can't go to the only 2 shelters in the City, what was our alternative?" The guards told us that that was our problem, and no they did not have extra water to give to us. This would be the start of our numerous encounters with callous and hostile "law enforcement".

We walked to the police command center at Harrah's on Canal Street and were told the same thing, that we were on our own, and no they did not have water to give us. We now numbered several hundred. We held a mass meeting to decide a course of action. We agreed to camp outside the police command post. We would be plainly visible to the media and would constitute a highly visible embarrassment to the City officials. The police told us that we could not stay. Regardless, we began to settle in and set up camp. In short order, the police commander came across the street to address our group. He told us he had a solution: we should walk to the Pontchartrain Expressway and cross the greater New Orleans Bridge where the police had buses lined up to take us out of the City. The crowed cheered and began to move. We called everyone back and explained to the commander that there had been lots of misinformation and wrong information and was he sure that there were buses waiting for us. The commander turned to the crowd and stated emphatically, "I swear to you that the buses are there."

We organized ourselves and the 200 of us set off for the bridge with great excitement and hope. As we marched pasted the convention center, many locals saw our determined and optimistic group and asked where we were headed. We told them about the great news. Families immediately grabbed their few belongings and quickly our numbers doubled and then doubled again. Babies in strollers now joined us, people using crutches, elderly clasping walkers and others people in wheelchairs. We marched the 2-3 miles to the freeway and up the steep incline to the Bridge. It now began to pour down rain, but it did not dampen our enthusiasm.

As we approached the bridge, armed Gretna sheriffs formed a line across the foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began firing their weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in various directions. As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched forward and managed to engage some of the sheriffs inconversation. We told them of our conversation with the police commander and of the commander's assurances. The sheriffs informed us there were no buses waiting. The commander had lied to us to get us to move.

We questioned why we couldn't cross the bridge anyway, especially as there was little traffic on the 6-lane highway. They responded that the West Bank was not going to become New Orleans and there would be no Superdomes in their City. These were code words for if you are poor and black, you are not crossing the Mississippi River and you were not getting out of New Orleans.

Our small group retreated back down Highway 90 to seek shelter from the rain under an overpass. We debated our options and in the end decided to build an encampment in the middle of the Ponchartrain Expressway on the center divide, between the O'Keefe and Tchoupitoulas exits. We reasoned we would be visible to everyone, we would have some security being on an elevated freeway and we could wait and watch for the arrival of the yet to be seen buses.

[Funkaloyd]

that's more than half the posters on this section....
and you all fuckin know it.
[...]
think for yourself.
stay away from the agenda pushers....or at least put your filters on when you do listen to them....from either side.
Jeez Qdrop, if you get any higher on your "I'm a centrist" high horse, you'll either get altitude sickness or OD.

I'm worried about your health.

[SobaViolence]

lol, centrist fundamentalist.....

[Documad]

I'm sick and tired of a small number of rapists becoming the focus of every argument! I can't stop thinking about the babies and children stuck in there.

How many men committed rape? You want to leave 299,950 victims in a cage with 50 beasts? It is so much easier when because of a variety of circumstances including luck you are unlikely to ever be in the cage.

I don't give a rat's ass about the looting. It's ridiculous and vile behavior, but given everything else that went down, what does it matter?

And I don't think it's possible to talk about New Orleans without talking about race. "Welfare" is often code for "black," even though most people on welfare are white.

[Qdrop]

Jeez Qdrop, if you get any higher on your "I'm a centrist" high horse, you'll either get altitude sickness or OD.

I'm worried about your health.

don't worry, i'll be fine.

[Ali]

don't worry, i'll be fine.For sure. As long as you keep labelling everyone Liberal Lemmings, participating in a Circle Jerk, or whatever; and never define yourself as anything other than being somewhere in the middle, but sometimes Right-Wing and sometimes Left-Wing, depending on which way the winds blowing, you will be fine. Just don't take a position, OK?

[Qdrop]

lol, centrist fundamentalist.....

how ironic to hear that coming from one the most uneducated, sanctimonious (ie-fundamentalist) posters on this board.

soba- the socialist fundamentalist.

if you were ever able to actually intellectualize or articulate even a small % of your "views", i would drop to the floor....rather than you just parroting out marxist quotes, and other anti-capitalist slogans you read in the 2 books you own on the subject....or conversations you emulate from internet chat boards.

i suppose it's difficult to expect that from someone who barely understands what the hell he says he stands for...and is actually just looking for a cause, any cause....to feel empowered.

[Qdrop]

For sure. As long as you keep labelling everyone Liberal Lemmings, participating in a Circle Jerk, or whatever; and never define yourself as anything other than being somewhere in the middle, but sometimes Right-Wing and sometimes Left-Wing, depending on which way the winds blowing, you will be fine. Just don't take a position, OK?

my postitions are always clear. they just don't line-up with your preconcieved mental groupings...
i don't envy you....

[Ali]

my postitions are always clear. they just don't line-up with your preconcieved mental groupings......because as soon as they get lined up, you positions change... like desert sands... shifting whichever way the winds are blowing...

you're a lucky guy.

[Qdrop]

...because as soon as they get lined up, you positions change...
really?
prove it...give examples.

or shut the fuck up with your bullshit allegations.

[racer5.0stang]

By day 4

So did all these events happen on day 4 (Sept. 2) or was the writer just setting the scene?

[racer5.0stang]

How many men committed rape?

Even if it were only 1, that would be too many.

[King PSYZ]

So did all these events happen on day 4 (Sept. 2) or was the writer just setting the scene?
Yeah it all happened just as posted. So while flood waters are rising and National Guradsmen and the Local and State Police won't lift a finger to help hundreds of people just looking to escape. People who could afford to leave on their own valvano*, they had chartered busses at great personal expense only to have those vehicles comendeered by the national guard. Then kicked out of the hotels they paid to stay in. Told they'd be given shelter only to be told nope, walk over there, nope no room left walk over there, nope you can't stay here walk to the next county, then shot at and told we don't want you here.


*since we all see his repeated posts about how everyone thinks they're entitled to free shit in his eyes.

[Documad]

Even if it were only 1, that would be too many.
I agree. But how many men commit rape in an average (non hurricane week) in N.O.? More or less than in the week following the hurricane?

I'm sick of this natural disaster being all about a small number of rapists. I think we're being encouraged to ignore the real problems we need to solve.

[Ali]

really?
prove it...give examples.Just an observation, dude.

[Qdrop]

Just an observation, dude.

yeah.....that's what i thought.


Ali likes to molest young goats. i'm sure of it.
i don't have to prove it....

just an observation, dude.

[racer5.0stang]

I agree. But how many men commit rape in an average (non hurricane week) in N.O.? More or less than in the week following the hurricane?

The problem here is how many people were in or around the the Super Dome and no one lifted a finger to stop the rape(s) or any other violent crime.

How do you expect others to help you if you are not willing to help yourselves?

[Laver1969]

I'm not sure what most of you all are debating? Or are you guys just insulting each other?

Is this about racism in New Orleans?

I lived there for 28 years and the answer is...YES...there is a lot of racism still in New Orleans. David Duke nearly became Governor back in the early 90s. To me it appeared the racism was always brewing just under the surface. Shoved under the rug...to preserve the party-town reputation and attract national conventions to the area.

But I know a lot of people in New Orleans who are ok with black people as long as they stay on their side of tracks and don't cause any problems. And the white people didn't go near the bad neighborhoods. Kinda fucked up...huh?

[racer5.0stang]

I'm not sure what most of you all are debating? Or are you guys just insulting each other?

Is this about racism in New Orleans?

I lived there for 28 years and the answer is...YES...there is a lot of racism still in New Orleans. David Duke nearly became Governor back in the early 90s. To me it appeared the racism was always brewing just under the surface. Shoved under the rug...to preserve the party-town reputation and attract national conventions to the area.

But I know a lot of people in New Orleans who are ok with black people as long as they stay on their side of tracks and don't cause any problems. And the white people didn't go near the bad neighborhoods. Kinda fucked up...huh?

So what is your point, that black people don't like white people and vice versa?

You would think that people would be over the whole color issue. If only our parents and their parents and their parents etc. would stop teaching their kids to hate.

Put down the haterade.

[Laver1969]

So what is your point, that black people don't like white people and vice versa?

You would think that people would be over the whole color issue. If only our parents and their parents and their parents etc. would stop teaching their kids to hate.

Put down the haterade.

My point is that racism still exists.

[Documad]

My point is that racism still exists.
Except that now people speak about it in code. They don't say "black people" they say "welfare recipients" and "housing projects."

[Laver1969]

Except that now people speak about it in code. They don't say "black people" they say "welfare recipients" and "housing projects."

^Yes...and in the New Orleans area you can still see many Confederate flags and still some David Duke signs around.

[racer5.0stang]

My point is that racism still exists.


True, but it is not only with black and white people.

^Yes...and in the New Orleans area you can still see many Confederate flags and still some David Duke signs around.

Just because someone flies a Confederate flag does not make them racist, but it does help the situation when most people view that flag they automatically assume hate.

[Funkaloyd]

When you see a Nazi swastika, what first comes to mind: hate and racism, or hiking and anti-unionism?

[Documad]

Just because someone flies a Confederate flag does not make them racist, but it does help the situation when most people view that flag they automatically assume hate.
:confused:


And the American Civil War had nothing to do with slavery!