NURSING HOME

[baltogrl71]

Does anyone belive that the owners of the nursing home in NO should be charged with murder?

[ChrisLove]

Why, what did they do?

[baltogrl71]

A husband and wife that own a nursing home in NO had (I think) 34 deaths and are being charged with murder. They called 911 obviously did not get the response they needed in time. If it is there fault that the people died because they did not get them out in time or have a plan made up then the gov. of NO should all be convicted. I just heard it as I was getting ready for work this morning, I think it was nbc.

[NurfBallJeaneus]

It depends on what the current emergency procedure is that is currently in place to point fingers at who is liable for these unfortunate deaths.

If there isn't one (which would be absolutely fuckin crazy), then the courts are gonna have to decide if the fault lies on the owners or the state.

[baltogrl71]

sure, but it seems to me that the surge came because of the levy and there was not enough time, after the storm people thought they had survived.

[K-nowledge]

The nursing home caretakers were givin a chance to evacuate the residents and they didn't. That is why they are charged.

[NurfBallJeaneus]

The nursing home caretakers were givin a chance to evacuate the residents and they didn't. That is why they are charged.

But at which point you have to ask, why didn't they evacute the residents?

Is it pure laziness?
Were the resources available to evacuate?
For some patients, it might have posed just as much danger to mobilize them, was that the case in any of these deaths?
Are they responsible for the cost of the evacuation and didn't have the funds?
Shouldn't it be the government incurring the cost in these cases and forcing an evacuation?

Alot of questions need to be answered before you can point blame.

[baltogrl71]

wouldn't the cost of assisting in the evacuation have been cheaper than the cost of a trial and if convicted imprisonment?

[infidel]

sure, but it seems to me that the surge came because of the levy and there was not enough time, after the storm people thought they had survived.
The nursing home is out of the New Orleans area and was not effected by the levy break.
They did evacuate 54 but the water was too high to get the remaining people out.
Can't say they didn't try.
Don't people go to nursing homes to die anyways?

[baltogrl71]

The nursing home is out of the New Orleans area and was not effected by the levy break.
They did evacuate 54 but the water was too high to get the remaining people out.
Can't say they didn't try.
Don't people go to nursing homes to die anyways?


Oh the news did not say that, it was just a blurb on the news this morning. I agree I think it is insane that the charges were brought and in this time there I cant belive this is what they are focusing on.

[NurfBallJeaneus]

wouldn't the cost of assisting in the evacuation have been cheaper than the cost of a trial and if convicted imprisonment?

What are you supposed to do if you don't have money?

In most cases, I believe criminals are given counsel appointed to them by the state free of charge. But the state will not fund the evacuation process of elderly patients before a natural disaster is about to occur.

So there are your options....who's really to blame here?

[baltogrl71]

What are you supposed to do if you don't have money?

In most cases, I believe criminals are given counsel appointed to them by the state free of charge. But the state will not fund the evacuation process of elderly patients before a natural disaster is about to occur.

So there are your options....who's really to blame here?

you hit the nail on the head, that is the problem with our country we are ass backwards. If they would have provided assistance prior then this may have been avoided, and free of charge who do you think flips the bill you do I do and anyone else who pays taxes there is no free of charge my friend.

[NurfBallJeaneus]

you hit the nail on the head, that is the problem with our country we are ass backwards. If they would have provided assistance prior then this may have been avoided, and free of charge who do you think flips the bill you do I do and anyone else who pays taxes there is no free of charge my friend.


Like you said earlier. What is more expensive, the bill for evacuation or for court cases.....that's right, the court case is way more expensive.

....and who do you think flips the bill, you and I. That is not free of charge either my friend.

So I'd rather pay taxes for the evacuation then the court cases.

Much cheaper and nobody loses their life!!!!!

[baltogrl71]

We agree, but when I was listening to the news they do like a water cooler talk and more than half said the people should go to jail.

[Documad]

wtf?

If your business is taking care of vulnerable people (i.e. you get paid for it), then you have to take care of vulnerable people. Even if it's not convenient for you.

[Funkaloyd]

Judging by the way that you're all taking this, I wouldn't be surprised if this became the next Aruba-Peterson thing for the media.

[NurfBallJeaneus]

wtf?

If your business is taking care of vulnerable people (i.e. you get paid for it), then you have to take care of vulnerable people. Even if it's not convenient for you.

I agree...but what if they can't afford it....what then?
The same can be said for the poor people that couldn't afford to make it out of there.

Fuck 'em, they're poor and decided to live there....so to hell with them.

[QueenAdrock]

I think if they've already tried to evacuate majority of the people there, it's obviously not that they were lazy or didn't "want" to help the others there, there must have been extenuating circumstances to prevent them from doing it.

"Murder" is when you plan out a well-orchestrated killing of people, often times with pre-meditated malice. It doesn't sound like that at all, just some sort of horrible accident that took place. I seriously doubt anyone in that hospital said "Oh, great! A national disaster. Now we can have a senilicide, like we've been planning for years." :rolleyes:

But speaking of "murder" I love how people throw that term around all the time, without knowing its implications. They just use it because it has so much negatively charged emotion and they it sounds better for their side to use it, though they really are just misusing the word time and again and being a bunch of dipshits in the longrun.

[Medellia]

Don't people go to nursing homes to die anyways?
No, that's a hospice. People go to nursing homes when they are unable to care for themselves, but aren't deathly ill. A lot of people in nursing homes die in hospitals. People go to hospices for the sole purpose of dying in relative comfort.

How many employees were there? If many of them had fled because of the storm then they probably were unable to get all of the residents out in time, especially if they did get several people out before the shit hit the fan. It sounds like manslaughter, if even that.