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valvano

09-15-2005, 11:12 AM

more old folks in chicago died from this under clintons watch than have died from katrina, and again it happened in a majority democrat controlled city..

http://www.gladwell.com/2002/2002_08_12_a_heat.htm

per the NOAA the majority of these deaths were preventable

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/pr96/apr96/noaa96-21.html

Wonder if Hillary will open an investigation into what went wrong with Bill in Chicago like she wants to do for W with Katrina:

http://thomasgalvin.blogspot.com/2005/09/forgotten-national-tragedy-bill.html

So I guess all you kids demanding Bush's head would also do likewise to Clinton had you been old enough back then when you werent busy playing with your Nintendo Game Cube?

:D

King PSYZ

09-15-2005, 11:26 AM

pathetic...

a heat wave doesn't normally incur bringing in FEMA and the National Guard.

Echewta

09-15-2005, 11:29 AM

When Bush is doing bad, bring out Clinton. Apparently, that makes the wrong Bush do mean nothing. And when Clinton did bad, we should have pulled out Bush I and Reagan.

Clinton isn't president right not volvo. No matter how much you would like to have him back so you can be all over his case, its Bush who is president and who takes the heat for this. I'm very sorry.

valvano

09-15-2005, 11:51 AM

valvano

09-15-2005, 11:53 AM

pathetic...

a heat wave doesn't normally incur bringing in FEMA and the National Guard.

ah yes, but if you read the NOAA report, other branches of GOVT, both local and state as well as fed, failed.....just as they did in Katrina...

so where was clinton during this heat stroke? playing golf?

King PSYZ

09-15-2005, 11:55 AM

If the same thing would have happened under Clinton then yes, it would be just as bad if not worse because everyone would say he was too busy busting nuts on dresses to help the country. where as Bush just catches heat for being too busy playing guitar and a few rounds of golf.

guerillaGardner

09-15-2005, 03:21 PM

you all miss my point...
both presidents have been screw ups....but one catches crap from the national media, etc while the other..not a peep was heard...

just pointing out the hypocricy of the media, etc

:eek:

can you imagine what would have happened back in the 1990s had the GOP, etc had been all over Clintons case for this like the DNC, NAACP, etc have been over Bush for Katrina?

Children! Children! You are missing the point - which is that all politicians are lying, immoral scumbags. When we say a politician is a good one, its a relative term.

Understand that the world of politics is like swimming with sharks. It's only the biggest, nastiest, meanest shark that gets to the top. We all know that politicians are immoral and crooked so why should we be surprised that the guy at the top is usually the worst of the lot? No-one gets to be president by being a shy retiring wallflower.

Clinton was an arsehole. Reagan was an arsehole. Both Bushes are arseholes. Ford was an arsehole. Carter was an arsehole...... do you get my point?

D_Raay

09-15-2005, 03:22 PM

King PSYZ

09-15-2005, 03:42 PM

and carter wasn't an "arsehole"

yeahwho

09-15-2005, 04:07 PM

The thing is, Clinton may of have had a few lapses during his presidency where innocent people became victims of genocide, natural disasters and many other unspeakable atrocities...... but,

Then there's that blowjob, Holy Shit! Now there was something for the people of America to sink their teeth into!

infidel

09-15-2005, 04:16 PM

Clinton, Clinton, Clinton
How come it's always Clinton and never me?
It's beginning to give me an inferiority complex.

DroppinScience

09-15-2005, 04:20 PM

Does anyone have anything incriminating against President Coolidge? How about Van Buren? Bush and Clinton... that is sooo played out. :rolleyes:

yeahwho

09-15-2005, 04:52 PM

Does anyone have anything incriminating against President Coolidge? How about Van Buren? Bush and Clinton... that is sooo played out. :rolleyes:

HA!

YoungRemy

09-15-2005, 05:51 PM

that was one hot fucking summer...

i remember folks in Chi-Town and NYC were dropping like flies....I was living in TX at the time and visiting NYC, everyone was like "heat wave" and I was just glad there was no humidity.

national news, yes...

mmmm, natural disaster, i don't think so...

Documad

09-15-2005, 09:49 PM

Tee hee! The link doesn't criticize Clinton. But it does criticize GWB! :p I'm surprised to see Valvano criticizing GWB. Here's what it says:

Chicago had a problem with a vulnerable population: a lot of very old and very sick people. But it also, quite apart from this, had an air-conditioning problem. What was the cause of that problem?

As it turns out, this is a particularly timely question, since there is a debate going on now in Washington over air-conditioners which bears directly on what happens during heat waves. All air-conditioners consist of a motor and a long coil that acts as a heat exchanger, taking hot air out of the room and replacing it with cold air. If you use a relatively unsophisticated motor and a small coil, an air-conditioner will be cheap to make but will use a lot of electricity. If you use a better motor and a larger heat exchanger, the air-conditioner will cost more to buy but far less to run. Rationally, consumers should buy the more expensive, energy-efficient units, because their slightly higher purchase price is dwarfed by the amount of money the owner pays over time in electric bills. But fifteen years ago Congress realized that this wasn't happening. The people who generally bought air-conditioners--builders and landlords--weren't the people who paid the utility bills to run them. Their incentive was to buy the cheapest unit. So Congress passed a minimum standard for air-conditioning efficiency. Residential central air-conditioning units now had to score at least 10 on a scale known as SEER--the seasonal energy-efficiency ratio. One of Bill Clinton's last acts as President was to raise that standard to 13. This spring, however, the Bush Administration cut the efficiency increase by a third, making SEER 12 the law.

It should be said that SEER 13 is no more technologically difficult than SEER 12. SEER 12 is simply a bit cheaper to make, and SEER 13 is simply cheaper to operate. Nor is this a classic regulatory battle that pits corporate against consumer interests. The nation's largest air-conditioner manufacturer, Carrier, is in favor of 12. But the second-largest manufacturer, Goodman (which makes Amana air-conditioners), is in favor of 13. The Bush decision is really about politics, and the White House felt free to roll back the Clinton standard because most of the time the difference between the two standards is negligible. There is one exception, however: heat waves.

racer5.0stang

09-15-2005, 10:30 PM

Hurricane Fran hit N.C. in the fall of '95 if I am not mistaken. We were without power for 10 days and the temps were in the 90s. Talk about being miserable. But somehow we didn't go around shooting at the Progress Energy linemen, the people delivering ice (even the ones who tried to price gouge), or the help received from other parts of the country.

Maybe these are different times. Bite the hand that feeds you.

DroppinScience

09-16-2005, 01:08 AM

Tee hee! The link doesn't criticize Clinton. But it does criticize GWB! :p I'm surprised to see Valvano criticizing GWB.

Man, I think valvano is an alias of gmsisko. :D

valvano

09-16-2005, 07:47 AM

you all miss my point...
both presidents have been screw ups

sorry to burst your bubble

:mad:

King PSYZ

09-16-2005, 09:05 AM

you mean sorry we bursted your bubble?
you trired to blame clinton for the deaths caused by a heat wave which he made sure never happened again by forcing contractors and building owners to use the more efficient and cheaper air conditioners. You can't really compare a hurricane and a heat wave. That's like comparing a blizzard and a strong breeze.

racer5.0stang

09-16-2005, 10:32 AM

You can't really compare a hurricane and a heat wave. That's like comparing a blizzard and a strong breeze.

No, but you can compare the casualties, amount of destruction, and what was done to improve the situation if it happened again.

King PSYZ

09-16-2005, 11:11 AM

Not really, but okay. So over 700 people died in that heat wave and entire major US city was all but destroyed by the same heat wave? Oh and Clinton then signed the bill improving the quality of A/C units so it wouldn't happen again.

DroppinScience

09-16-2005, 11:27 AM

sorry to burst your bubble

:mad:

Are you ever gonna leave Clinton alone? I'm sure you'd find a way to bring his name up 30 years from now, when Jenna Bush is President, and she chokes on her fruit salad, you'll go saying how in Clinton's administration, they neglected to make those pineapple pieces smaller, doing nothing to stop people from choking on their delicious salads.

Give him a rest.